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I got pulled today because a stanley steward was at the bottom of the stand pointing at us. he was helping the dale stewards. A few accy boys had a go at him for what he was doing and we sang songs at him. I hope he can sleep tonight. grassing up stanley fans for standing at football. he did it to feel important.

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Yes i saw it all he was one of the main stewards at stanley or something and as helping the dale out. However he has a son i know and he wasnt happy because he is a great stanley supporter and he felt very embrassed!

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If the area of the ground you are located in is all seater then its the law to sit. The bloke was doing his job.

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lancsdave you are a pratt!!!

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Being a pratt is not an arrestable offence, unlike standing in a seated area of a football ground ;)
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What a jobsworth:)

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He was not doing his job. He was there as a fan and decided to big it up with the home stewards. I know who it is now. Big Al and he comes on here.

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No need for that then.

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I doubt he was 'grassing you up', I'm sure the other stewards could see you were standing :rolleyes:
Get a grip & grow up.

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The dale stewards where poor but for one of our own to join them was out of order. Remember last week v Lincoln and the problems we had with heavy handed idiots upsetting the Stanley fans well guess what you've done it again.

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That Big Al does come across as someone who feels that he is more important than he really is, or ever will be, but people standing in a seated area know they are liable to be ejected from the ground. There were big signs at the front telling you that it is an offence to stand while the match is in progress, just in case you didn't know.

If you ignore the signs and the requests to sit down, then you deserve everything that comes to you.

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12,000 in the Kop stood up for the whole of todays match just like at many Premiership grounds. Nobody ever seems to come to grief. What is this safety issue which is used to justify the law? I know all-seater grounds have, by their nature, made dangerous swaying masses and crushes a thing of the past, and a good job too. However I cannot for the life of me see why it is OK to stand up and push past people and nearly topple over at half time while it is not OK merely to stand in the same place during the game. I think the law is an ass.

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I went to Rochdale and although I sat down near the front I didn't see the harm it was doing, ok i saw the signs but I didn't see any of the Rochdale fans getting told to sit down, and at the end of the day it's up to the Rochdale stewards to enforce the rules not the visiting fans! Morale is low enough without idiots like that upsetting his own fans, he should have been watching the game not the fans!

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To put the record straight & then put this one to bed for good.
1 I was asked by the club to help ensure the safety of our fans & the good reputation Stanley have had at away grounds, however I went in as a paying fan like the rest of you.
2 another Stanley steward was also there asking our fans to abide with the request to sit down as it is a ground rule for both home & away fans. Despite what you think, I was assured by Rochdale head steward their own fans were being told exactly the same.
3 Contrary to grassing you up I had actually assured the Rochdale stewards that the Ultras & other Stanley fans were one of the best behaved fans in the league & would present no problems so would not need any heavy handed action. I was pointing at nobody in particular, merely a gesture to try & prevent the mass ejections that happened -for the first time in our clubs history in recent times- & prevent embarrasment to the club.
4 It was pointed out to me that there was overcrowding in the area that concerned the Rochdale stewards, as much for your own safety as anything else. The club has a policy of three warnings & then out. I had observed the Rochdale stewards go up to speak with our fans twice. That is when intervened to try 7 ensure as many of our good following stayed in the ground to support the team, which cannot obviously be done from outside the ground!
5 My son was not embarrased by my actions as stated, he was aware that I am a long standing Stanley fan & act in the best interests of fans & ultimately the reputation of the club. He was sadly as let down as I was by a minority who obviously drew the wrong conclusions to my actions to their own detriment.
6 We are in the big boys league now, & hopefully staying. Actions within the club at matches have come under far greater regulations than in the non league sector & repercussions for the club by its fans actions can even close the club down. Us stewards have had to spend our own free time to obtain qualifications that we have to abide by in the football league to ensure your safety at matches & ensure games can go ahead at the club. A lot of activity is put in by our stewards that are not seen by the average fan turning up at 2.00 plus for the game, & more is put in after the game.
The worst thing for me is that assumptions were made yesterday about my actions that were false, unjustified & blown up out of all proportion for the simple one act on the minorities part of getting their facts right before putting brains into gear.
The directors of the club were also ashamed that after such great publicity by the good behavior of the Stanley faithful 25 -27 lost out on the second half of the game because of failure to comply, foul & abusive language & racism. Now who feels let down now!
I dont need answers, purely rhetorical, now lets get on & hopefully urge the team on to get the 3 point they need against Bristol on Tuesday.

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were people chucked out???? i never saw em?

To be honest i think people should just stick to the rules, but i can not ess how that was a safety hazard. The people that were standing up were away from the people who were sitting down, so really if they was going to be any problems (eg safety) it would only involve the minority

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i am big al's son and i wasnt ashamed of my dad of just the actions of the fans against him he wasnt trying to get any one in any bother at all he was trying to keep us fans out of trouble a lot more fans could have been thrown out but they hadnt been due to the actions of my dad and the reason why i was annoyed is because i was clearly told by one of the head stewards at rochdale to **********!!! when i was trying to sort something out so dont put words in my mouth
the match yesturday was a great match but we did let the club down and thats the big factor of the match all the publicity we have had is good and this could affect our good nature with stewards at other grounds as all clubs share info. so this could mean we will be watched more closly and not enjoy the freedom to support the club as before

Yet again I have to edit a post due to people not following some simple instructions. Do not try to circumvent the swear filter. Please read the T&Cs and the post concerning swearing on the main forum. Thanks - Z

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What freedom, even our own stewards are acting like little hitlers at home games, calm down we are not idiots or babies.

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Well said Big Al.
The atmosphere was outstanding yesterday, full credit to everyone for that, especially Macca & Rossendale Transport for getting us all there and the Ultras for the noise & colours.
People were ejected and with that comes bad reputation, fines for the club etc etc. Let's keep our great reputation as travelling fans & not give grief to the people trying to help. This league is saturated with idiot 'fans' already.

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OK my apologies for calling you an idiot, I just think that as a paying fan you were under no obligation to do that, I appreciate that you were protecting the reputation of the club but it seems that it caused more trouble than it was worth and to be honest you couldn't have picked a worse time 3-0 down at half time, people werent exactly in high spirits! The lads get told to sit down everywhere they go, Stockport County, Darlo last week are just 2 examples, and they never do but i've never seen anything like that yesterday. I think it was more a case of the Rochdale stewards acting the 'big men' and picking on young lads, after all if 1 person gets thrown out for standing up shouldn't everyone? 100+ where still standing when Manghan scored yet a small minority get thrown out at half time?? I thought the fans were brilliant yesterday, the atmosphere was great and even after going down 3-0 they kept on going. I think it's more a case of the rochdale stewards getting a bad reputation, not the Accy Stanley fans!

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I'm just beginning to get my head round the rules regarding seating in football stadiums. They apply to everyone except Stanley Ultras. I had to move seat twice because my son couldn't see the game thanks to the clowns who wouldn't sit down. When I was getting a brew at half-time I overheard someone telling a GM Police Inspector that this was the worst bunch of away supporters they'd had all season.

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Wrong, I was under an obligation as the club had asked me to assist if there was to be any trouble with our own fans. I put my knowledge of our fans on the line before the game by giving the Rochdale stewards my personal opinion that our fans do not cause trouble. How wrong I was when mature people cannot accept responsibility for their-repeat their own actions & have to shift the blame onto those trying to help. The trouble was from their own hands & my conscience is clear. I will not be drawn any further on this one. Big Al on Keyco's site.
Moderator: I think it is time this one was put to bed

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Like I said I appreciate that you were only doing it for the clubs interest and I wasn't having a go, fair play to you for doing it (And taking all the grief thats come of it) I just didnt think you were under obligation, ok the club asked you but should you have had to pay like all the other visiting fans? Should they not have paid you? Or if was a 'favour' then you werent under obligation! Get my point?
Anyway all i'm saying is how come it's never happened before at other away games?
To be fair I was having more of a pop at the rochdale stewards and not yourself!
Like you say lets put it to bed and concentrate on 3 points on Tuesday!

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we just want to stand up!!

as for stewards well what can I say.....good luck!

loweiy

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so whats happens if your disabled and cant sit down for more than ten minutes .that means your discriminating:confused: if it was up to me i would bring terracing back if i wanted to go to the pictures i would go to the pictures and before anybody has a pop terracing never caused hillsborough it was the police and the fences just like always treating the passionate football fan like scum it feels like were living under facist regime .its alright to mug oaps and geta slap on your wrist but god forbid to stand up at football groundwhat a farce. the staduims arent really designed for football are they .they knew people stood together had a laugh and things so why design them the way they are they might look good from a distance but once you get in them they are not spectator friendly :Banane30: :mad:

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:mad: oh nearly forgot no other paying customer gets treated like us:mad:

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I am guessing an age group of maybe 15/16 or younger? Like was said earlier follow the rules they were made because a higher authority ordained it. If you are told by an authority figure to do something and you don't then you know thats there is always a consequence, they tend to teach that from an early age, yesterday you got the consequence, learn from it and don't start ragging on someone trying to help you. After reading your first post on this topic you should be giving Big Al an apology not slating him. As for stewards getting a bad rep, it will never happen, it will be all Accrington supporters who will be tarred with the same brush and persucuted against where ever they go, do you think all Millwall fans fight?

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I am 26, female and if you read my first posting I said i sat down at the front I didn't stand, shout, swear or abuse anyone, so therefore you'll be glad to hear that I did actually 'follow the rules!' The only thing I was told by an 'authority figure' was where the toilets where! I was simply putting my point accross like everyone else on this thread.
If you read my second posting you will see that I actual did apologise to Big Al for slating him once I'd read his reply, and finally if you read my 3rd post I made it clear to him that is was the Rochdale stewards I was having a pop at and not him and that I appreciated what he had done yesterday!
So to sum it all up:
I'm 26
I did as I was told
i didn't rag on someone who was trying to help me
and I wasnt told off by an authority figure!!
Just putting my point accross!

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Eh? You acually quote my apology then tell me i should be apologising!:confused: :confused:

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Sorry I quoted the wrong post, It was supposed to be the first one.

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No probs! :)

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I'm pretty sure anyone who has a disability of that nature wouldn't even think of going somewhere they knew they had to sit for 90 minutes. If the same person decided they wanted to go to the cinema and stood in front of you for the duration of the film would you still be happy to backup their claim for discrimination because the cinema doesn't set aside an area for people to stand and watch a film ?

I do a lot of driving and hate some of the speed limts we have. However if I see a speed camera in a 30mph zone I don't go driving past it at 50mph shouting "I don't agree with your poxy law". I know the penalty regardless of wether I agree with it or not.

The same applies if you are entering a football ground, if the rules say you have to sit then why do people think they can totally ignore it and then complain when action is taken them ?

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it wouldnt be by choice itll be because they are breaking the disability law :Banane19:

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If I understand right the Disability(Discrimination) act Sept 2006 covers this so all premises have to be disability friendly including football grounds. Stanley have facilities for access & an area set aside for wheelchairs & walking disabled for both sets of fans as is required by law. Rochdale too would have a setup to cover this too, as long as notice is given to accomodate in advance. However the area causing concern at Rochdale was too high up to validate your point as a disabled person would not have ventured there for seating or standing. Trust this answers your point.http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...cons/icon7.gif

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My take on this if it counts for anything - if people are stood up at the back of the stand I really cant see what harm that does law or no law - when they are stood up in the middle of the stand or if their standing obstructs peoples views then yes Id get a little annoyed if I was sat down but stood at the back of a stand?? Nowt wrong with that and in my opinion if stewards tell people to sit down who are stood at the back of the stand with nobody viewing behind them then youre rightly gonna get called a jobsworth because whose view are they blocking??? As Im sure the 'must sit down' rule is what its based on isnt it? Blocking others views/enjoyment of the entertainment on show?

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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I was the second Accrington 'steward' at the match. I had been in the control room at Rochdale and was aware that fans were going to be ejected from the ground for standing in the seats. I made repeated requests for Stanley fans to sit as I was aware you were going to be thrown out. I also spoke to a number of supporters who have 'influence' over the youngers ones. At one point only 20 or so was standing. Big Al' was also aware you were going to be ejected from the ground, but a few mindless idiots turned on him when he was only trying to help you ALL!
Accrington are now in the football league and have to abide by football league rules. Rochdale and all other clubs have to abide by these rules or the council can take away your licence and you have no game.
At Accrington we have regular visits from the council due to complaints from other supporters so you are no different to anyone else.
The support you gave to the team was fantastic as was the atmosphere at the game, I request in future you sit down get behind your team and abide by the football league rules!!!!
Unless you want to return to Barrow etc.
PS
Big Al' is a top guy, you owe him an apology.

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The reason Big Al bore the brunt is because he was 'seen' to be pointing people out.

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God!!! Talk about going on and on. The person who originally posted has apologised and you lot still aren't satisfied!! What do you want them to do? Lie in the street and be flogged??

Give people a tiny bit of responsibility and it goes to their heads! This isn't MI5, you know? Perhaps you should look into an NVQ in Reality Studies or something?

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I suggest you invite him and Mick Schultz to your next meeting so this sort of thing dosen't happen again. and you could offer to buy him a pint. You were lucky only 27 were thrown out it could have been 127!

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The bottom line was WE did not want and Accy fans thrown out!

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The reason Big Al bore the brunt is because he was 'seen' to be pointing people out.

We ALL stood up so maybe we should ALL have been thrown out. The disappointing aspect of it was that the ejected were removed whilst downstairs at half time rather than being made an example of by being carted out of the crowd.

There are lessons to be learned on both sides here;
firstly we KNOW we are not allowed to stand so we shouldn't, if we get binned for it it is nobodies fault other than our own.
Secondly I thought that they could have better got the message across to us. I was stood to the left of the group and heard no steward telling us to sit down, I even thought at one point that we had done well to be allowed stand! The tannoy was very ineffective as we never stopped singing for long enough to hear it. If the entire body of stewards had come up the stand and spread out and enforced the message then we would have realised the severity of the situation and dealt with it.

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sorry my post was taken wrongly as I timed out of editing it after posting it well before I finished.

We were wrong and the stewards were right.


Whether the 'law' is right is a different matter entirely but that does not alter what went on. As I say Al took the brunt soley because he was seen pointing into the crowd numerous times and people were being ejected.

If he was working on our behalf then thank you for your efforts Al. and Mick. and Phil.

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Them and us...... is that the way to progress? Extremely poor and tinpot. Typical.

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http://www.standupsitdown.co.uk/

Possibly the above link may be useful to fans.

Meanwhile can we have the same support tomorrow night, it's been quiet lately.
You can stand and shout all you like, or is it not the same if it's allowed? :)

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what you on about now?

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Look at the wording and language used in these posts. They speak volumes.

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so sorry if my lack of verbosity upsets you, maybe I should go back to using decasyllabic words that only intellects can comprehend?

yes, lets descend this thread into whom has the biggest argument. Vocabulary that is.


I see no reason to take that tone with me whatsoever when I have clearly stated that a) we were wrong and b) possible lessons to learn.

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Right, finally know what happened, first I knew was on this thread and I was sat directly in front of Ultras. Very sophisticated stewarding, thought they looked animated and pleased with themselves, take videos and then pick on a few at half time. Coppers were also there with the latest digital toys :( .

Yes, tannoy was useless all afternoon, and I didn't hear any directives to sit down from the stewards. Thought it had all gone well until I read this.

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Hmmmm.... funny you should assume that I was referring to you Macca.

I was actually referring to the posts from the stewards. The language used e.g. YOU and WE, encourages perceptions of a 'them and us' mentality that is at odds with the other rhetoric that THEY have posted. It is this type of attitude that leads to over zealous 'policing' of the car park, for example. ;)

Self importance doesn't solve problems. It creates problems that never existed in the first place.

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This really made me laugh at the game, if only for the fact that I had to shout at the copper to take the lens cap off :eek:
it's a strange state of affairs when the police are unwilling to personally interact with the people.

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what a waste of taxpayers cash a video camera to film people standing up the world has gone mad!!

let the people stand

Loweiy

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Are we missing the point
We have automatically assumed that it is illegal to stand at a football match. I have searched high and low and can find no law that forbids fans standing. from what i can make out the sign at the front is a guideline.
I may be wrong, if someone can show me in black and white that this is a law then i will stand corrected.
I was at the match (sitting) but had no problem with the ultras standing. I had a heated discussion with a little round plump woman(a rochdale steward) who was taking her job a little too seriously.After my words with her in the halftime break she stayed at the front and didnt attempt to eject anyone after that. Probably on the advice of the police as she was the one causing the problem.

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Each ground has its own set of ground regulations, most are pretty much identical, in fact you can ask for a copy of the ground regulations before entering the ground at any stadia in britain. Our ground rules and regs are actually posted on walls and stantions around the ground at the FES. I also believe that every club has to have these rules and regs displayed for view somewhere in the vicinity of the turnstiles.

BY LAWeach club has to have the rules and regs, which means that BY LAW you must comply to their content. Which means that anyone refusing to comply to the rules and regulations are therefore breaking the law.

Rocket science it ain't!!!

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SORRY TM, reading the posts they do seem to be having a go at me and I asked what you were on about and your next post seemed to knock my lack of correct language :rolleyes: .



As a group of fans some of us will never agree with sitting, some of us will never understand why we should want to stand and stewards will never understand why we should want to stop them doing their jobs.

Matter forgotten from my perspective.

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It's OK Sparkie, don't get wound up. Check it out in the papers, everyone who breaks the law blames someone else. It's never their fault.

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I would think it's all covered in Ground Regulations [e.g.Bolton's , http://www.bwfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...,,1004,00.html ]

You can even be denied admission if you refuse to be searched!

I got a bit irate on my last visit to the Crown Ground, when asked by a charmless person in a visivest if I was carrying a weapon. But on checking the rules it seems he has certain rights, no common sense; but, " hey I'm just doing my job, I don't make the rules".

By paying to get in we're entering a contract, terms and conditions apply.

I'll plug this site again, worth a look at - http://www.standupsitdown.co.uk/

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the ruling on seating is from the council who set the standards to be abided by as to crowd capacity, safety etc for the grounds safety certificate, without which there would be no ground or game. The regs are completely different now as we are in the league as to what we were used to in non league & far stricter. Get used to it cos for Stanley to progress this standard will be upped too & policed far more stringently than we have been used to in the past. Yes the tannoy was useless cos I did ask the chief steward to get an announcement put over before taking any action. I did not hear any although I was told it had been done.
I did explain before in my first response that what was taken for my pointing at individuals was actually my gesturing while trying to reason with their stewards & i did not point any individual out or intended to-again a case of assumption instead of talking to me to get fact instead of fiction.
I have been associated with the club for over 14 years now & love it dearly. I want the best for the Stanley & also ensure the friends I have made in this time can enjoy the games played at home & be as safe away, even though I can't always get to many away games. Those who really know me know this & those who misinterpreted my actions on Saturday should now know how wrong you were & appologise to the club-not me, my shoulders are broad enough to take flak- cos its the club you showed up!

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Dear me, what is the world coming to??

Manchester United fans have been standing throughout matches for years now and guess what has happened?? Absolutely nothing!!!

There is f-all anyone can do if you all stick together and stand up. The council won't do anything because they don't have the balls and would be wary of the backlash. I am sure Hyndburn Borough council would like the world famous name of Accrington Stanley associated with good in order to benefit the town not ground closures etc.....be realistic, it just wouldn't happen.

As for this current incident though, those jobsworth stewards need to get a life, both theirs and ours.

Our stewards who were there, come on boys...you were either paid and working for the club or you paid admission and went as a fan, you can't have it both ways. You should have kept your heads down and let those paid to steward the game do it sensibly or as little hitlers as best they preferred.

Very very sad and small minded people must have been stewarding that game is all I can say. Nobody REALLY gives a toss but for the small minded attention seeking jobsworths themselves.

My advice to you boys for the next game is carry on standing but make sure you stay together. Strength in numbers and all that. Football belongs to the fans.

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TM has already pointed out the sort of language that seperates the Stewards from the fans, the above threat is a prime example.

To quote Al Murray, "What do you get if there's not enough rules - France, and too many rules - Germany."

Staveros, yes there's strength in numbers, unfortunately numbers aren't our strength, (nice to see you back, BTW).

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So in the future (if we go to rochdale again) are the stewards advising people who wish to stand up to go in the terracing behind the goals?

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Thats quite a good point really isn't it?

At our ground away fans are forced to stand, but if they have to sit down they are given a space in the stand. If we insist that we have to stand should we not have been given that smaller terrace?

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To me it all goes back to Stadia design. Who decides that Stadia should be all seater. Big Hoo hah about making comment on peoples sexual preferences but no one gives a hoot about discrimination against peoples football viewing preferences. Just because some beurocrat calls it "LAW" doesn`t mean its right. If they think it`s dangerous to stand in seated areas they should make some standing areas, in fact it should be "LAW" that stadia provide standing areas, for both home and away fans. Some people prefer to sit down and we don`t try and force them to stand up why should it be fair to force standers to sit down.
Has anyone else notice fans from all seater stadia on the coppice end revelling in the freedom of a proper terrace ?
Sorry if I blackened the good name of Stanley by standing up for 90 mins at Rochdale but it`s the red tape beurocrats who are bringing the game into disrepute.

STAND UP IF YOU LOVE STANLEY !!

or sit down if that`s your preference.:)

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Found this as Early Day Motion 101

That this House urges the Government to re-examine the case for introducing small, limited sections of safe standing areas at football grounds; further urges the Government to recognise that there is widespread support for such areas, and that improvements in stadium design and technology mean that with rigorous safety specifications standing areas could be safely re-introduced; and calls on the Minister concerned to convene a meeting of representatives of the police, supporters, Premier League clubs and the Football Licensing Authority to find a way forward.

It has already gathered 134 signatures, including our own Greg Pope's.

Check to see if your MP's signed - http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDe...70&SESSION=885

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You all have a point and an opinion. Ideally you could have seating and standing terraces but when you haven't got the choice as at Rochdale sit in your seat you paid for it!
Last year if it rained and you had the chance to move under cover in the main stand I doubt you would have stood up cos one of the regulars in the stand would have told you to sit down!
If nothing else it has caused a debate!
I hope if we get a new ground in the future it is not ALL SEATER!!!!
Power to the people!!!!!

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Big Al' you can't please all the people all the time.

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There is not any seating for away supporters but some do sneak in when the away end is an all ticket sell out! They would prefer to stand with there own supporters but can't. The decision to allow those fans to stay in the seated area is down to the safety officer.

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Thought we were staying put, with more seating on Clayton End :eek: .

Whatever way it goes hope Club consult fans first, we're in a good position to get it right, hopefully. :)

Power to the people, indeed. :rolleyes:
More Bob Marley myself - Get up, Stand up, don't give up the fight ;)

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Any changes the club make would show a lack of ambition if they didn't plan on going all seater in the future. If you get to the championship you have 3 years to become all seater, only allowance is for those building new stadiums, which of course will have to be all seater.

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disabled and elderley? surely they HAVE to be allowed seating regardless of what the safety officer says? (not that any would refuse)

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There has to be one!!!!
A disabled area is on the front row of the main stand near to the players entrance.
Elderly is down to safety officers discretion!! but it's highly unlikely they would be left standing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unless ........no I won't go there!

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And quite clearly it's you. Not all disabled supporters are in wheelchairs, as well I know, as my partner is disabled but can still walk. Also, there is also the problem of putting our own supporters who are disabled and in wheelchairs in the same area. I have seen a number of away fans being shown to the changing room end of the main stand (mainly those with elderly/infirm friends or relatives or very young children, who cannot possibly be expected to stand for 90 minutes). Safety is the biggest issue here and Mick does a great job under very trying circumstances on occasions.

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I don't think we're in a rush to get to the Championship, and the ruling may have been changed by then ;) .

We do have to have 2,000 seats by May 2009, and hopefully we'll give the new ones to the away fans,
it's only fair, we'll have the roof :rolleyes:

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I think both Rochdale and our stewards handled the situation all wrong.. I think the thing that annoyed me was they both kept coming to the back of the stand and telling people at the back to sit down..But the people in front were stading and the ones behind were sitting so we couldn't see so had to stand up again.. I believe if the stewards started from the front backwards then there would have been no problem like at the game at stockport...

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Exactly what i was thinking, i did sit down but people in front were stood up, am i going to keep seated while the game goes on? ... and before anybody says, why should i move?

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Everyone was asked to sit some did some didn't. I've had enough on this one 27 were unlucky and got ejected, 100 got lucky and stayed. Take your chance in future, but if you want to make sure you watch the full 90 minutes listen to the advice you are given.
Finito Benito!!

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To outback ozzy, sorry Nigel I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I will speak with you on Tuesday if you are at the match.

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Errm Benito....Mussolini ? OK got it ;)

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You are a complete prat aren't ya :rolleyes:

I was the second steward there on Saturday blah blah blah,
Your boring me.. YOU my friend are why people call stewards JOBSWORTHS :Banane11:

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The Ultras are not the only ones under fire. Loads of trouble at the new all-seater Donny Rovers Keepmoat Stadium. Some hardcore supporters deliberately bought season tickets on the back row in order to continue the 100 year tradition of standing during the games, but - you've guessed it, they are being ejected. A kind of daft compromise has emerged in that when the ball is out of play it is deemed by the stewards to be OK to stand up. At this juncture everybody stands up and chant "It's out of play - we're standing up".
Truly, the lunatics have taken over the asylum in our modern game!

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It crossed my mind as to how the stewards would react to a Mexican wave. I can see a sort of perplexed look sweeping across their faces as they phoned for advice. :)

But just remember, they're only obeying orders. Sorry, doing their job.

" It's out of play, we're standing up ", quite witty for Yorkshiremen. ;)

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Go on guys,do a Mexican wave. :) Great idea OGGY.

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No, Oggy was talking about the Doncaster fans - we are never that bored.:)

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Question; Would a Mexican wave cease to function once it hit the main stand(sit)?

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To Will, Get a life! You living in the dark ages, take next exit to Barrow!

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Wait, he says you bore him and that constitutes the Dark ages?! :D

Ready your battle-axes!:p

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He's only been on here 2 minutes and already he's been called a prat, a jobsworth and a knob. Says it all really.

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That's just not on TM, you've missed out my linking him to Benito's blackshirts, or was that too tenuous? ;)

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This is another perfect example of New Stadia (The plural of which should be Stadiums in the Lancs. Dictionary) not catering for traditional fans. Whats wrong with these people, I was taken as a child to naerby Turf Moor with 30, 000 + people watching 1st division football and not a seat in sight. Nobody Died !

One good thing, it`s got Donny fans shouting, when we went there in the paintpot the cheering came from the tannoy. :)

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Guys,

just to put another point to the issue regarding standing-up and a bit of back-up for the stewards really, being a steward down here in Ipswich we have the same situation with the North stand supporters who want to stand during matches, unfortunately the issue is out of the stewards hands and are only enforcing the law from the clubs head of safety who in turn has been instructed by the League to curb persistent standing on the grounds of safety. As a football supporter I love standing to watch and stand on the terraces whenever possible (especially on Clayton End), but there has to be some understanding from the supporters on this issue. I have highlighted the word ENFORCING for a very good reason this being the attitude of the stewards who have to relay this advice to the supporter, if someone talked to me in a civilised manner and explained I would be more inclined to heed their advice, but if I had a jumped up power crazy steward (every club has them) talking to me disrespectfully then my attitude would change severely.

I hope I have shed a bit more light on this for you all.

Right i'm off for a lie down after that!!!

Tractorboy Red :)

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Please explain what you mean by "on the grounds of safety", as nobody seems to be able to justify it, other than "It's yer 'elf and safety, innit?".
Nobody has answered my question earlier in the thread!

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Redraine, I will try and find out from our Head of Safety and get the answer you need... Will be a few days tho' as in Devon at mo!!.

Rightly or wrongly whatever the reason they are the rules at the moment so we'll have to abide by them or face the risk of getting kicked-out...The other risk is that if clubs continue to allow supporters to stand then they can be fined which in Stanley's case for example could have a huge impact on the playin squad if players were to be sold as a consequence, or in worst case scenario's have matches played behind closed doors again with financial repercussions. Clubs have Safety crirteria which has to be met before matches can be played and have to be seen to adhere to the rules.

I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong but trying to give my understanding of it and give an alternative slant on the subject.

It's similar to most Referees dilema, if a last defender brings down a player in the 1st minute of a match is it right or wrong to send the defender off?? MOST refs would prefer to keep 11 v's 11 but the rules are they have to go..

Tractorboy Red :)

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Taken from the Football Licensing Authority website;


Following the Hillsborough Disaster, the government accepted the recommendation of Lord Justice’s Taylor’s inquiry that grounds in the top two divisions should become all-seated. The Inquiry’s conclusion that, while “there is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control, seating does more to achieve these objectives than any other single measure”, has been proved to be correct.
It is generally accepted that Premiership and Football League grounds are safer, more comfortable and more civilised that they were ten or twelve years ago, though the FLA recognise that not all the changes have found favour with all spectators.
The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting.
There are, moreover, a significant number of practical reasons against reintroducing standing terraces at our all-seated grounds. The conversion of all or part of a seating deck to standing accommodation would raise all sorts of complicated design and engineering issues relating to the gradient, the row depth, the viewing standards, the dynamic movement of the deck and the dynamics of the crowd. As a generality, it would require more space (hence a lower capacity) and spectators would have to be further away from the pitch to obtain an adequate view. It would also constrain the size and design of any concourses.
Moreover, standing accommodation may not be used for any international, Champions League or UEFA Cup match. During the 2006 World Cup all the stadia in Germany will be required to be all seated.
The Minister for Sport has stated publicly that the government will not abandon its all-seater policy unless compelling evidence is produced that it is no longer necessary.

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I thought the idea of a web site was to have debate and pass on information not to slag everyone off who doesn't agree with your point of view!

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I disagree .........:D

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[email protected] - Come on mate, Dark Ages :)

The Dark ages where when we actually played up at Barrow, and Farsley
and Frickley and Stocksbridge... You remember the days do ya?
Thought not :rolleyes:

The point I am getting across is nothing to do with Ground rules and regulations. On Saturday the back three or four rows were all stood up.
I was in the middle of the people stood up and in the first half I never got
asked to sit down and to my knowledge neither did anyone else.

Earlier on I noticed Big Al, pointing at me or if not at me in my direction which I thought was strange (Also, Other people commented about it). Come half time I go under the stand and get pulled by two stewards and a Police officer (not just myself).. The Steward told me that I was one of the ring leaders to the Ultras and I have been stood constantly throughout the first half..

I then asked the Steward how he knew I was a ring leader and he replied "Your stewards have pointed four or five of you out" :mad:

So, If Al or this [email protected] (Jobsworth) haven't been pointing people out then who has....

Also, I promise you if 60% of the Stanley fans who were at Rochdale Saturday stood up throughout the game I ASSURE you they were not gonna throw any of us out. Power in numbers. We just have to stick together. ;)

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I ain't any jobsworth, I didn't point anyone out, I didn't speak with any of the Rochdale stewards in the Accrington area. I new what was going to happen at half time. I spoke and advised a number of your supporters and at 30 mins into the game I sat on the back row near to the camera man.
It certainly explains your anger but don't point the finger of blame at me.

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If one went...why didnt we all have to go? ... Afterall, rules are rules

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Like you all say and are correct 'strength in numbers'

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OUCH, Saucer of milk table 2.. :)

I apologise Phil for having a go, I know you went as a supporter on
Saturday and Im sorry for tarring you with the same brush !!

Right so if it's not Phil, There is only 1 person it could of been ?????

Ps. This is my last post on this thread as it's now run it's course.

I stood for 90 minutes but feel sorry for the lads who got binned at half time. Just think that alot of the time Stewards take there job far too seriously. I was at Anfield last night and there were 12,000 in the Kop and everyone stood up throughout.. The stewards know the rules but obviously couldn't do a thing about it.. POWER IN NUMBERS !!

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Get out of that without moving your lips big al. I read with interest how philip demands an apology and so do you. Yet it was you who offered your services to the dale stewards and you who pointed stanley fans out. why didn't you just watch the game like you paid to do. job gone to your head that is why. you should be ashamed of yourself for getting so many fellow stanley fans in trouble just to boost your own ego. the dale stewards could have done the job without your help.

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Oh, you mean like when little Alty get hammered for fielding an " in-eligible" player when the likes of Premiership West Ham get away scot free with Tevez and Mascherano, and thousands and thousands regularly stand up with impunity at Premiership grounds!:D