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This may be covered on another thread - if so sorry - but will the Whinney Hill Terrace be closed next season if a new stand is being built there? Also what is the cut-off date for Stanley to install the extra 8-900 seats needed so the ground meets League standards?

I was in Preston yesterday and went past Deepdale, their new stand is almost up, its small, but its taken almost 12 months to put up. Stanley need to bare this in mind or they could end up playing home games at the Turf for a season!

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Search function top right, for future reference.

The deadline is May next year & i persume it should be closed because it would be a building site.

Most likely temporary seating will be installed.

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I seem to recall that work was carried out to enable the ground to reach a minimum capacity target set by the League.

Could temporary seating be installed and yet the ground maintain that minimum capacity?

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What capcity does a league two ground need to qualify for league status?

Temp seating is not a good idea - look at Blackpool - their fans hate it.

The only route I can see is to build a new all seated stand on the Whinny Hill Terrace - holding between 1-2,000. And - correct me if I'm wrong - the club can get grants from the FA(?) towards the costs.

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The grants can only make up upto half of the overall cost, and we don't have the rest.
We have no need for an all-seater 1500+ capacity stand because it won't be filled, frustratingly enough.

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Well a grant of half is a start and better than nothing. But I would have thought the club would have had a plan in place - unless they expected to be relegated back to the conference that is?

I really do hope they find the money or else they may take the easy route and just put seats in the Clayton End (much cheaper option) to get the number up to 2,000 seats needed to stay in League Two.

As to not filling a new stand - well thats quite normal with many clubs - big and small - just look at near neighbours Blackburn Rovers. Sometimes the Darwen End stand only had 4-500 in it last season (for Fulham, Reading etc.) - but when MUFC, Liverpool etc. came they filled it - 7,500. Thats life in the Football League.

And if a new Whinney Hill Stand was built - why not give half of it to away fans - the likes of Bradford City would fill it no problem.

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There is a plan. Eric's written to t'league to ask them to reconsider, as we don't really need those 1,000 extra seats. Can't see them relenting, though. I reckon we'll end up with a makeshift solution - probably seats out in the open on the Coppice End, just like Stockport.

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Stanley have a plan - Noooooooo (Look at the current problem with our shirt sponsor) unless the plan is to go back to non league.:(

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Most def Bagpuss.




(Anyone else watch The Wire?) ;)

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What's that?

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Quite Right Wynonie - Eric has written and had his reply - the seats must be in by the end of next season or its back to the Conference for us, regardless of where we finish next season. Putting the seats on the Clayton End or the Coppice Terrace would be no good either as that would reduce the current capacity which would then mean we would have to increase it some other way to qualify for league status of capacity of over 5,000.

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It's a US police drama series based in Baltimore. Probably the best programme of its type, ever.

As for the new stand, I don't expect to be changing my viewing position on the Whinney Hill side anytime soon. ;)

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So, let me get this right - even while the club was still "under the impression" that FE were continuing with the shirt sponsorship deal, we couldn't have found the half million we'd have to shell out for the Whinney Hill stand.

Now that we've lost that deal - and with no guarantee of a new one - we're even less likely to be able to afford a ground fixture which we must have in place by the end of next season to ensure our continued membership of the league.

I reckon that Eric should not be looking for a sponsorship deal, but should be looking for someone to buy the club. And I'm not talking about someone who wants to move the club miles away and rename it. Rather, someone with the club's interests at heart who will provide new investment and, just as importantly, someone who will look at new ways to market Stanley to make it more attractive to local people. Obviously, there might not be anyone like that out there, but Eric should at least test the water to see if there is.

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I for one am looking forward to the new stand but I do think we shall lose somthing of our past the scratting shed is a legend in the FL with not too many left up and down the land perhaps English heritage might be interested?

Loweiy

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Thought you was playing out in the big stand now?:p

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It's too windy up there ;)

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Yes, the pie and peas do tend to play havoc with one's digestion.

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Your right Stanley may be the last League club to have that type of "scratting shed" on their ground. Still if a new stand means Stanley stay in the Football League, then the chairman/owner will have to get one built. He knows the cut off point, he has about 11 months to get the thing built.

As a footnote look what happened to poor old Cambridge City this week. They failed to get their ground up to the new Conference North standards (they had 2 years warning on this) so they have been knicked out and will now play in the British Gas Business Premier league next season. Stanley be warned.

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I don't think you're telling us or the club anything that isn't already known. It's ok saying that the club will have to provide the extra seats, but if the money doesn't exist then it won't happen.

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Yes temporary seating is accepted to my knowledge.

I was told that Ilyas Khan made a 4 million pound bid about a month back.

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4 million pound ? What is he going to get for that? I don't think Stanley is worth even one million pound.

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i cant see how the club is worth more than £1,000,000.

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Whalley would have sold up for a quarter of that or less.

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:)he also put an offer in to by the club round about the time Boco left the club

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If Ilyas Khan has put in such a bid, the Eric would be a fool to pass it up. Somehow, I think this may be rumour and mischief making

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eric is stanley thru and thru tho he wud never want to see the club in trouble and go under

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Yeh but stanley is erics life and he will hold on to it as long as possible until hes out of money and knows he has to let the club go to someone who can put more money into it. Hopefully eric wont have to go , as he is such a great fan and chairman.

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What a daft thread....

How does anyone on here know how much Eric would sell for? I thought we where football fans not on the board of directors. Next we'll be discussing dividends, share options & how we can reduce our corporation tax bill.

We should leave Eric & the board to sort this stuff out, the club have already had to dispel a rumour of administration that originated on here.........

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I know you're not a fan of this message board ;) but this time the rumour came from somewhere else, Dinglesmad in fact.:confused:

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Don't mind the messageboard man, just liked it before all the moaners drove a lot of posters away........

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if moaners drive people away, those people do not amount to much IMHO, its a message board not the " Old Bailey":rolleyes:

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'the moaners' would be outnumbered if the so called driven away posters returned posting their so called sense posts more often. There are other places where these people can post and discuss the threads they want to but they don't. Some of the people you refer to could use the Ultras or OSC forums for whatever the post dictates but they don't. Maybe that suggests that for whatever reason they have moved on and don't particularly feel the need to post five times a day about every subject? Most people you refer to still visit and read Accy Web but don't post - not even in the positive threads.

May I suggest that if anyone has nicey-nicey threads that they could contribute then it may detract from the people who wish to air any complaints?

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...... and your new sig is spot on Willie. Ignoring all the Red Rose Tints or Anti-Coleman propaganda we did still make progress as a club.

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Only just progressed . Lets look forward to the new season . shame not any northern clubs came up to our league or relagated to us . Gonna find it hard to arrange trip to aldershot with work . I dont bloody moan , just give my views .

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I think there are two ways you can look at it with postings, there are times when some posts can severley undo a lot of good work that goes on behind the scenes that perhaps people don't always know about or see the full picture and there are other times when there are concerns people may have and other people can possibly shed light on or discuss in a meaningful & constructive manner. I think the one thing that people should not lose sight of that besides the Fishy Site that this is probably the main place people come to look at for seeing what is happening at the club and as such is "The Window to the World":eek:

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:rolleyes: Any progress on the new stand yet ???????????????

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I'm with you mab, this thread is not about the moaners and who has been or hasn't been driven away, it is about the progress of the new stand, Any takers

:theband:

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just bin to a do at the club, didn't see any sign of contractors equipment or anything, had a look as far as was possible.:confused:

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:rolleyes: Thought work was to start as soon as the last game of last season was over,we all no that something has to be done ie extra seats so why havent they started ??????????????????????????????????? one for the club to answer i think :rolleyes:;)

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With construction work 50% down on last year and due to be a further 78% down next I should have thought that there was never a better time to drive a hard bargain and get the stand built.

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I think the Club do need to make a statement of where they are at with regard to the Stand:confused:

I'm no builder but 10 months will soon be here especially once into the Autumn/Winter and delays can be expected:(

I would hate to see Forty Years of Hard work, Grit and Determination to get us where we are now go down the Toilet:eek:

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was my thoughts exactly,the club though seem to excel in poor communication, unfortunately.:eek:

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Until someone comes up with some money, it isn't going to happen. That's your statement.

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When the Whinney Hill Stand is completed, wouldn't it be a nice touch to have it named as "The Jack Barrett Stand". After all, without Jack's initial effort all those years ago, we most probably wouldn't be here today.

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Nowt like a bit of optimism to keep us going.:)

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It would be nice owd bob , but i think the club will probably get a sponsor for the stand to give the club some income!

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The club doesn't have to build a new stand they only have to provide more seating by the end of next season.

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Not quite, yes the club could put the necessary seating in the Clayton end or the Hollands pie stand, but we would then have a capacity of less than 5,000 which is also a requirement for league football, hence the reason Barnet were relegated a few years back. Barnet had problems with the local council who refused expansion to stay in the league, however, I think it has now been done.

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We're not going to build it untill weve assured survival. Barnet knocked up their new stand with offices etc in less then two weeks and it looks great. What would be the opoint of us building it now and it being a white elephant in the BSP???

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...1354720600.jpg

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Was there not a temporary structure already in place at Barnet before this Stand? If so would foundation work have already been in place? From what I have seen behind the Whinney Hill Stand there would be an awful lot of prep work involved, maybe our New Sponsors could assist?
I agree about the sentiments of possibly being a White Elephant but if we hang on till we are mathmatically safe we may have run out of time?

It is a bone of contention and I fully understand both sides of the arguement but I want to see Stanley push on to Bigger & Better things and as part of that we have to remain in the League:)

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Barnet were relegated in 2000-2001 because they finished bottom of the league.
http://www.betexplorer.com/soccer/en...ion-2000-2001/

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I was passing Turf Moor yesterday. I have they no plans to replace the Cricket Field Stand? Surely we could get the framework for the very cheaply.

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a) it won't be this season when it comes down.

b) It will be cheap, it's probably full of rust :D

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I have to say I get the impression that the club has just stuck its head in the sand on this one. With a bit of imagination there's real potential.

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Thats true, but if they had not finnished bottom they would still have been relegated as their ground was not up to League standards. The same will happen to Stanley at the end of next season if they have not added the extra 800+ seats (and kept the capcity above 5,000) - surely not a lot to ask in this day and age :confused:

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it is when they aint a pot to pee in.:rolleyes:

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:) perhaps our very own Harwood Red could ask the club as Chair Lady of the OSC may be they would be forth coming with an up date on the new stand.;)What you say HR would you

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A friend of mine asked whether he would still be able to stand on Whinney Hill prior to purchasing his season ticket. "Yes, it'll be unaffected till after the season", was the reply.

Make of that what you will.

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If true, thats very sad. The Whinney Hill should be closed down now ready for work to begin on the rebuilding. Or do Stanley want to be relegated back to the Conference :confused: I live in Preston now and their new stand took just over 12 months to put up (granted its bigger about 4,000 seats I think) - but what are Stanley officials playing at, do they really hate League football that much :confused:

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Did you miss the bit about having no money to build the stand? It's ok banging on about it, but if there's no cash, then it isn't going to happen. That's nothing to do with 'hating the Football League'. It's a fact.

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It's quicker and easier when it's paid for by taxpayers :rolleyes:

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be careful T.M. you will be getting slapped fer talking sense.:D;)

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according to the Football League Supporters Survey 68% of attendees and 58% of non attendees use the Official Websites as their first port of call when seeking information. This figure is of course a broad average of all clubs surveyed but nevertheless should be used as an important lesson learned.

If the club sites are updated frequently then fans don't need to go looking elsewhere for their information, thus avoiding sites they may find disparaging.

The link for the survey can be found on the fishy site :D.

Have a look when you have a spare hour as there are many 'interesting' things that can be related back to us if we wish to learn the lessons of a freely conducted survey.

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Taint gonna 'appen, yo. ;)

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Back in 1962 the construction of an over ambitious stand resulted in Stanley leaving the League.

It would be a bit ironic, if 47 years later, the non construction of a superfluous stand were to end the Club's hard won League status again.

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Bear in mind its £16 to sit there, £304 for the season.

Plus it looks like it a 'new generation' of temporary stands? It looks just like framework design , ie No concourse facilities as such actually inside the stand, I bet if they do get planning for the new stadium they'll do what Farnborough Town did with the new stand and Unbolt it fold it up and move it with them, Stanley could easily have the same size stand like this on the halfway line with a few steps of terracing each side and an open concourse, like the rest of the ground for now. And it the worst comes to the worst unbolt it, fold it up and sell it on. The cut and shut world of football grounds has been giong on for years? The roof over the away end at Port Vale use to be Chester Citys Main Stand at Sealand Rd, just cut and bolted to a diff shape. When alot of grounds close ie Ayesome Park, Victoria Ground, Leeds Rd, Baseball Ground to name a few not only do souveneir hunters stake a claim to items so do many non-league and few league clubs. Leeds Rd is a classic example a buisness bought some crush barriers for there car park, a fan bought a toilet seat rumoured to have been used by Bill Shankley and I think it was Rushden and Diamonds who took the scoreboard.

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It will be built because it has to be built for us to stay in league . Money is always available from football league to improve grounds otherwise the league would be full of grounds like darwens, so its not if but when .

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Depechemode like a thousand times said we get half of the money from the grant. (£500,000) . Where is the other £500,000 going to come from depechemode? Have a think for once! We havent got that amount of money!

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like the club said , it will be building a new stand .

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Its no good keep saying there's no money. The rules are the rules and that excuse just doesn't wash. Simple - if the stand isn't built we go down. The fact that the club are apparently making no effort towards finding its half of the funding sends out an impression to everyone - including the players - that it doesn't care. That is the best way to demotivate everyone. Who wants to go and watch a club that is heading for relegation regardless of the results.

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oh you know that fact do ya? must be great to have inside info,like you obviously have. PLANK.:rolleyes:

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Admittedly, funding for the " New Stand" may be a problem. If all is to be believed, The Football Trust will provide 50% of the funding......

Let's cut the brown stuff.......Regardless of the fact the hierarchy of the club DO NOT(openly) admit any problems funding said developments, surely a more prudent move would be to launch a scheme such as sponsor a brick, sponsor a seat....whatever to help to meet the cost.

I'd personally URGE...To any fan who watched us through the " GLORY DAYS " as in when we won all the promotions to get back to the League......Give the team you followed through the wilderness outside the football league a chance. WE HAVE SURVIVED....AGAINST THE ODDS.... TWO SEASONS in the football league.


The neighbours have FAR MORE resources. This club DIED once as a league club. Twice would be a travesty and a disaster.

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Best post on this thread so far, never mind the doom and gloom merchants saying there is no money, (you know who you are), this club needs to survive in the Football League and NOT go into obscurity again. The money MUST be found to build the stand and put the seating in before the end of this season otherwise we will forever be in Morecambes shadow. Once again, they will be the pride of the north and that is NOT ON.

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So are you going to pay for it? Comparing Stanley to other clubs is a futile exercise. Stanley is what it is and that's the end of it.

I think this needs to be put into perspective. Yes it would be sad to see Stanley relegated, but a disaster? Hardly, in the grand scheme of things.

It's easy to come on here and post some kind of impassioned post, but the reality is what it is. I trust that the club will do everything it can to raise the cash for the seating, but as of yet, it doesn't exist. That's the truth. Like it or not.

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I think you missed that I used the word 'apparently' I don't think there's any need for personal insults on here. What is apparent is that there isn't much info coming from the club to the fans - if there was then this thrread would be completely different. I can't believe we're even getting comments on here saying it wouldn't be the end of the world if we did go down.

There surely needs to be some kind of statement from the club to stop these rumours.

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There's no point stating the obvious, that 'the money MUST be found'. The reality is that with the terrible Google Page Ranking we've granted both ourselves and various sponsors over the years, 50% of the funds cannot be conjured.
We cannot afford the seating. This should've been clear to everyone when the club made it public how they felt, stating that they were reluctant to build the stand due to spending so much on something that isn't needed in practice.

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Well, would it? Would anybody die? I think we need some perspective. It would be very sad and I'd feel that as much as the next man, but it hardly merits being called a disaster.

I think the club is in a funny situation. Admit that there's a major problem with funding the stand and why should anyone turn up to watch next season? However, keep it all quiet until the 11th hour and you risk nobody coming forward with offers to help.
As we've said before, to comply with FL/FA rules, we don't need to build a new £1m stand. It's just a nice idea. All we have to do is provide another 1000(ish) seats and maintain the current capacity.

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Good post, and of course your 100% correct. In that case why don't Eric and Rob come out and tell us how they are going to do that.

The cheapest way to not end up back in the Conference would be to:
a) knock down the Whinney Hill stand;
b) replace it with a bigger open terrace - joined up to the Coppice End;
c) put 800+ seats in the Clayton End;

The ground would then hold (about) 6,000 - with 2,000 seats. Everyones a winner and the club don't get relegated (unless they finnish in the bottom two anyway!).

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If they were the only options (and I do so hope they're not) it would be better, imho, to be relegated, still relatively financially sound, on the technicality of insufficient seating, than build a stand we can't afford and don't need, go into administration as a result, lose 10 points, get relegated anyway, and start in the Conference on minus 15, assuming we survived at all and the Conf would have us.

:hidewall:

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sorry you think thats a personal insult, i regard it as a fact, agree a statement would not go amiss, but how does someone like you know that - "apparently the club are making no effort to find its half of the funding?" you must be very well in with good contacts to be aware they are doing nowt, n if i was one of those people, you would really be aware what an insult was.:rolleyes:

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I'm pretty sure the club will be doing what they can to obtain funding. If they aren't succesful then the cheapest option must be to have a Gene Kelly stand like the Donkey Lashers. If it's passed fit for the championship then it should be passed fit for Div 2. Not pretty but a case of needs must.

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If all 800 home fans bring a deck chair every game at home we can keep this club up :D

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i shall be up fer the 1st match probably with wynonie, but aint bringing no frigging deck chairs.:rofl38::rofl38:

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does any1 want to see a new stand ?? i do , players do, club do , you lot dont .. support colne then you moaning sods . stand will happen regardless . did we have loads of cash when we built our other stand ?? did roof cost a tenner at car boot ? no . stop moaning and look forward ...

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There is so much wrong with this post that it'd take a week to straighten it out. Ignorance is ignorance, however you dress it up.

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lol @ TM!

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same old , same old .

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:) Im sure that the club will release a statement once everthing is in place and a start date for the new stand to begin.:)

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http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/...with_new_stand

Hope this helps make it become a reality:)

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:) looking good :)

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:) Well the new season has started and still no word or any imformation or statement from Stanley about the new stand,think we all no that we need somethink sorting for the club to stay a league club,with 3 teams on minus points i would think its safe to think we would be safe from relegation,so why the delay either a new perpuse built or a temp stand would do,we all no we're not awash with dosh but there is grants for the stand,and we need to keep moving the club forward ,:)

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its ok fleetwood town built 3 side of they ground up in less than 100 days have alook at they web and see
:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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[quote=mab;618794]:) Well the new season has started and still no word or any imformation or statement from Stanley about the new stand,/quote]
Eric has already said, more than once, that the required seating will be in place by 1st May 2009. so what is the problem?

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[quote=JEFF;618834]:) no problem Jeff,just think us the fans should be kept informed,no news some times isn't good,it starts speculation and as you know this and other thread have posts on the subject,:)

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[quote=mab;618887]As I see it fans have been kept informed - Eric says the seats will be in place by the required date. This doesn't neccessarily mean that we are going to build a stand. We could erect a scaffolding structure, like you see round the 18th hole at golf tournaments, that wouldn't take long to put up. Eric has said that the seats will be in place, if they aren't and we get relegated then God help him.

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[QUOTE=JEFF;618897]only to a point mate, updates can only help fans keep the faith.IMHO.:)

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[quote=cashman;618902]There probably isn't any further news except that the required number of seats will be in place. It probably hasn't been decided yet where, how and when the seats will be put in. When it is I can only hope that they will let us know, but at the moment it doesn't look like there is any news to update people with.

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In todays Matchday Magazine Eric reveals ( Quote)Currently we are planning to remove the whole of the Whinney Hill side of the stadium and replace this with a covered modular seating structure.This will then become the designated area for visiting supporters'which unfortunately means home surpporters will have to choose between the terrace behind the goals and the main stand.(unQuote) there is more which out lines the benifits to the club as a whole,in my view its a positive move by the club :)

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Can someone clarify what a "Covered modular seating structure" looks like compared to a conventional stand with seating?