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MCR ADIM 03-12-2008 12:54

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instead of haveing seats in place the club should just say if you want to sit down bring your own chair, would save club money, but dont think the football league would agree to the idea but would look better than haveing empty seats covered by flags

fc:stanley 03-12-2008 13:46

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I think we can all come to a compromise that we have the new stand built but have the second hand seats :D I think thats fair...:cool:

How about a two tier main stand :rolleyes: :D..

Or Just put the seats in both of the corners of the clayton end + main stnad and because obviously we wouldnt be able to walk round from the turnstiles to the terrace because of the seats , we can make some concrete stairs like you have at stadiums were we can walk up onto the terrace from the back (burger van + turnstiles).

There crap idea but arnt the clubs aswell :):rolleyes:

fc:stanley 03-12-2008 15:24

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Burtons ground is not too far of a picture from what ours could look like in years to come! Blue Square Premier Football Ground Guide - Pirelli Stadium, Burton Albion FC

John_Timmins 03-12-2008 15:33

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Originally Posted by fc:stanley (Post 656990)
Burtons ground is not too far of a picture from what ours could look like in years to come!


hahaha that was a purpose built multimillion stadium with help from their local council if i remember right? thankfully we will never see that kind of breeze block hell hole at the FES any time soon

fc:stanley 03-12-2008 15:36

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I like there main stand tbh its exactly what we could have instead of the cow shed. All to their own view :D

maccawozzagod 03-12-2008 15:37

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burtons ground cost £6m to build our new 'stand' is costing a 20th of that!

Alvin the chipmunk 03-12-2008 19:58

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Eton Park was horrid but at leasit had chracter. Burtons new ground is souless and horrid in a completely different way. Ill keep the cow shed thanks - we need its scathing wit to carry on putting off the opposition when taking throw-ins!!! :)

Haggis316 03-12-2008 20:37

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 656965)
instead of haveing seats in place the club should just say if you want to sit down bring your own chair, would save club money, but dont think the football league would agree to the idea but would look better than haveing empty seats covered by flags


Surely not:


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Jubbut-uk 03-12-2008 22:00

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It won't matter what colour the seats are if people sit in them.

And depending how much room in the stand the seats take up you could very well all end up sat down in the Clayton end.
You cannot stand up in a seated area--licensing authorities don't like it and they can financially punish clubs that don't take action to stop persistant standing (by reducing capacity in areas/stands).

I can see this issue creating a lot of friction with stewards and ultimately leading to the matches being fully policed, which costs a LOT of money (the police get double time for football matches and they won't officially police matches with a handful of hats- they put in numerous teams inside and outside with supervisors (sergeants and inspectors) which costs an awful lot).

Also, you cannot put seats up the side of a standing terrace area for evacuation purposes.
Imagine a large body of people moving sidewards to evacuate and being compressed into filtering through obstacles (narrow rows of seating)... a surge could turn into a crush.
You just can't mix standing and sitting supporters in the same area. Aside from the blocking of seated view, people get sloshed and fall over the seats in front of them, onto the people sat down.

Don't forget that if things aren't certified safe, people can't come in.
This might come as a shock, but where stadiums are concerned, crowd safety will come before a match being played in front of a crowd, in the eyes of the authorities.
If the powers that be mess up the seating and it isn't satisfactory, the local authorities could step in and instruct things to be changed, which costs money (and lots of it).
I can also see local authorites getting crabby if seats are covered up with flags and people are stood up nearby, it defeats the object of having seats!

It would not make sense to me to put seats in the Whinney Hill terrace.
It is old and would be redeveloped in future, should cash become available. Putting new seats into an area that is likely to be ripped down in future would not make financial sense, it is a waste of cash.
Eric Whalley and his band of merry men would be mad to put seats in the Whinney Hill terrace.

It's going to have to be the Clayton Terrace where the seats go and people are going to have to sit in them.
The new stand may as well have the new seating area.
People aren't going to like it, but as has been said, when you enter the Football League, you agree to their rules like everyone else has to.

maccawozzagod 03-12-2008 22:44

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what's your point?

John_Timmins 03-12-2008 23:07

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:D


if the Clayton end is ever all seater when we are below championship standard i wouldn't be seen at the FES

maccawozzagod 03-12-2008 23:12

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still got the FCStanley flag? :D:D

mab 03-12-2008 23:31

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Originally Posted by John_Timmins (Post 657133)
:D


if the Clayton end is ever all seater when we are below championship standard i wouldn't be seen at the FES

:confused: And whys that???

K-P 03-12-2008 23:54

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This debate has taken a funny turn..

Its x amount of seats in the cow shed and y amount of seats along the front of the clayton end with terracing behind..... why are we talking about ifs buts maybes.. its done and dusted.. too late now to submit new plans... how long do you think its taken to sort these out?

Time to come to terms with it and go forward IMHO :)

Bagpuss 04-12-2008 00:02

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Originally Posted by John_Timmins (Post 657133)
:D


if the Clayton end is ever all seater when we are below championship standard i wouldn't be seen at the FES

Make that two of us, I started watching Stanley instead of paying silly amounts of money to Liverpool because I hate sitting down to watch footy this includes the pub or at home.
Why do I have this feeling that we will not be allowed to seat the cowshed and that the Clayton End will become an all seated area. If this happens Eric and Co will I'm sure blame everyone else but themselves.:(

southernred 04-12-2008 08:12

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Who's saying from the Club we can't seat the Cowshed???
That's the bit that makes sense: Minimal cost, and it will increase capacity.:)

We can't seat the entire Clayton End;:rolleyes: 1) would reduce capacity under 5K
2) what's the pont of putting into more than 2000 seats, when we only need that many (at present) 3) why spend money that could be better spent elsewhere 4) why run the risk of upsetting/ losing any more fans. We are trying to add to the fanbase, whilst ticking all the FL and H & S boxes.

fatgaz182 04-12-2008 18:59

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:rolleyes:PANIC

Seriously though, if I had my way, which I don't I would seat the whole Clayton End and make it the family stand, which visiting familys and OAP's can also sit in towards the Whinney Hill end and a Disabled viewing platform on the end towards the Thwaites Stand, make the Whinney Hill Terrace larger with a cover about 40-50 yards in length in the middle and a new police control room behind it on the halfway line and TV gantry above the roof and make this terrace for away fans approx 2000/2500 and roof the Coppice and make this the the 'Home End'. With this in place in the future the club can extend the terrace to the sides or back abit more and build new dressing rooms/offices/shop in the corner leaving more room behind the main stand for more coporate facilities.

Just my Idea, it would be a shame in the future if the only terracing left at FES was allocated to away fans.


:mosher::D

southernred 04-12-2008 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatgaz182 (Post 657400)
:rolleyes:PANIC

Seriously though, if I had my way, which I don't I would seat the whole Clayton End and make it the family stand, which visiting familys and OAP's can also sit in towards the Whinney Hill end and a Disabled viewing platform on the end towards the Thwaites Stand, make the Whinney Hill Terrace larger with a cover about 40-50 yards in length in the middle and a new police control room behind it on the halfway line and TV gantry above the roof and make this terrace for away fans approx 2000/2500 and roof the Coppice and make this the the 'Home End'. With this in place in the future the club can extend the terrace to the sides or back abit more and build new dressing rooms/offices/shop in the corner leaving more room behind the main stand for more coporate facilities.

Just my Idea, it would be a shame in the future if the only terracing left at FES was allocated to away fans.


:mosher::D


Superb idea sir,

Can you drop the cheque off in the morning payable to ASFC for £500,000. That will allow the club to get a grant for the balance and we'll be up and running:alright:

fc:stanley 05-12-2008 07:43

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 657134)
still got the FCStanley flag? :D:D

A special flag for me!:D ;)

fatgaz182 10-12-2008 18:40

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Originally Posted by southernred (Post 657412)
Superb idea sir,

Can you drop the cheque off in the morning payable to ASFC for £500,000. That will allow the club to get a grant for the balance and we'll be up and running:alright:

Will a post dated rubber one do you??:p

Dated 18 December 2050:D

shakermaker 10-12-2008 20:06

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Well it's fair play to the club from me. We have to consider our financial security and league status above anything else. So what if the seats in the Clayton End look a bit odd when we're still in the black and in the league?
Re the blue seats - I'm sure at least one of our sponsors would donate a bit of cash towards some red paint? Proper stuff mind, people don't want to take the red away as a souvenir :) We'll never be lacking in volunteers to get the job done.
Don't see what all the fuss is about really. Necessary evils & all that!

Wynonie Harris 10-12-2008 21:12

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 658971)
Don't see what all the fuss is about really. Necessary evils & all that!

To be fair, Shakey, you wouldn't, because you're not a Clayton Ender. Unless you're smitten with the romance of the terraces, then it's difficult to explain just how this is going to alter the whole feel of the Clayton End. I'm certainly not looking forward to it, but I much prefer it to the prospect of life in the Blue Square, so, as you say, a necessary evil.

shakermaker 11-12-2008 00:36

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Aye fair enough, Wyn. But let's remember that it is just a change, not a demolition job.

VALAIRIAN 12-12-2008 16:08

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Not sure if this has been asked already but has anyone seen any plans of what its all going to look like??

Grimps 14-12-2008 00:11

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will the end have to be close off if the work run into a home game look at jan 09 games and the away end will that aswell

afrikaaner 14-12-2008 13:22

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Don't like the thought of a all seater clayton end,when all seater replaces all standing the atmosphere seems to dissapear,you only have to watch a match on the tele and listen.Liverpool,man utd,rovers etc,nobody seems to sing like they used to when it was all standing,everyone surging forward when a goal was scored or a near miss just as you took a mouth full of steaming hot bovril.But we didn't care,oh happy days,lol,i rest my case.KP will remember he's old enough lol.


ACCY TILL I DIE..:alright::signbeer::drink::wave8:

shakermaker 14-12-2008 18:13

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Who's talking about an all seater Clayton end?

VALAIRIAN 14-12-2008 18:16

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Nobody hopefully!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Bagpuss 15-12-2008 18:37

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 660060)
Who's talking about an all seater Clayton end?

I've no doubt that it's part of Erics masterplan but this way he's just doing it gradually hoping we will just accept it, I say don't do it because you will lose some core supporters.:(

shakermaker 15-12-2008 22:14

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 660319)
I've no doubt that it's part of Erics masterplan but this way he's just doing it gradually hoping we will just accept it, I say don't do it because you will lose some core supporters.:(

Are you on 'shrooms pal? Erics masterplan?
It's clear to everyone who isn't a wannabe Fox Mulder that the club is only doing what is necessary to a) stay in the black and b) stay in the football league. Eric would never want the ground to be all-seating - I mean come on, we all know he is one of the old guard when it comes to... everything - but if the team become that succesful then it may be necessary. For instance, take the sponsorship of the ground's name. No one at the club would've wanted to change the name of The Crown Ground, but the moneys taken from the deal are essential to the club's day-to-day running.
No one from the club is "selling the fans down the river", as you insultingly put it a while back. There's no alternative to compliance with Football League rules as long as we are fortunate enough to have a team that can keep us there.

fc:stanley 15-12-2008 22:56

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Im sure they`d move the ground and have a new one built if they where to make the clayton end an all seater!

And hopefully neither of them will happen!!

VALAIRIAN 16-12-2008 18:13

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:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Posts from the club seem to have dried up at the moment!!! Are we to read anything into this????

southernred 16-12-2008 18:40

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Posts have dried up from the club because too busy to comment and nothing more to say!!;)

The seats will be in place in time and no there are no plans to make the Clayton End all seater; nobody wants more than 2000 seats and we can't afford to reduce the capacity under 5K. What more is there to say???:)

VALAIRIAN 16-12-2008 19:17

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On what has been a pretty bad week - results and injuries Etc. - that is a result!


:):):)


Cheers Mark.

fc:stanley 17-12-2008 13:44

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Originally Posted by southernred (Post 660538)

The seats will be in place in time

What time? ...
Christmas time?
Easter time?
New year time?
Dinner time?
Tea time?
Chico time?....

I want to have a few more discos on the terrace before the seats go in! ::cool::theband::theband:

southernred 17-12-2008 14:24

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For the upteenth time, the Football League deadline is the 1st of May on the 3rd season of membership.:)

fc:stanley 17-12-2008 15:57

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I like the way you put the smile their to hide your fustration of answering the question :)
But if you dont want to answer questions then no need to put yourself forward on this forum to do so.

However thanks for answering :D

southernred 17-12-2008 18:29

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Sorry I don't mean to come across with frustration; it simply dosn't exist.

All I am to do is pass on the facts, as and when I see fit!!

The smily was added for no reason other than to say I'm happy to pass on certain facts!!

afrikaaner 18-12-2008 19:41

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Having been at Bamber Bridge for Stuart Howsons charity match i was impressed with their main stand.A similar stand would look great in place of the cow shed,and the seating needed to appease the football league would fit in it perfectly.Surely it's worth a look at.



ACCY TILL I DIE..:mosher::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

JEFF 19-12-2008 08:59

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Originally Posted by afrikaaner (Post 661153)
Having been at Bamber Bridge for Stuart Howsons charity match i was impressed with their main stand.A similar stand would look great in place of the cow shed,and the seating needed to appease the football league would fit in it perfectly.Surely it's worth a look at.

How many times do you need telling. WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY TO BUILD A STAND.

VALAIRIAN 19-12-2008 09:14

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Just out of interest, how much will these seats be costing the club????

fc:stanley 19-12-2008 12:56

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I dont think their will be much money and no exact details from the club either about the amount. We just have to face it now that we will be having seats in place and not a new stand and the i think the club has done more then enough to try its best.


ITTSSS CHRRRISSTMMMASSSSSS

VALAIRIAN 21-12-2008 16:01

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Must say, having taken a good look around yesterday I could not work out how its going to look / work out!!! Would like some official comment on the situation:confused::confused::confused:

Grimps 21-12-2008 16:23

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it will look like macclesfield home end blue at the front first 4 row and then we will be at the back standing look crap but will have to do with no pennys after utd game the fooball league should not ask use to build it we had less than 800 home fan and it will keep falling until some one comes in to help the club in more ways the one on and off the fieldsorry for the spelling :enough:

VALAIRIAN 21-12-2008 16:41

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Cheers Grimps - thanks for that;)

lancsdave 21-12-2008 16:44

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 661907)
the fooball league should not ask use to build it


Until the club become one of the big four who have different rules then you're going to have to stick to the same ones as everybody else ;)

Wynonie Harris 21-12-2008 17:07

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It'll look totally Mickey Mouse - in fact, it'll make us look like a third-rate Unibond Div 1 club. In my personal opinion, it'll alter the whole atmosphere on the Clayton End (and I notice that those who have said they can't see what the problem don't actually stand there). If there is absolutely no other way to meet league requirements, then I suppose we'll have to put with it, but match days will never be quite the same for me.

Grimps 21-12-2008 18:19

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when the blue seat go in i will stand in the same place becouse im am accy thats it up the accy and up the blue seat that we cant stop going in its bollcks realy for the lads but that all we can do is move up a some rows thanks (man city)

SPUGGIE J 21-12-2008 19:04

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 661918)
It'll look totally Mickey Mouse - in fact, it'll make us look like a third-rate Unibond Div 1 club. In my personal opinion, it'll alter the whole atmosphere on the Clayton End (and I notice that those who have said they can't see what the problem don't actually stand there). If there is absolutely no other way to meet league requirements, then I suppose we'll have to put with it, but match days will never be quite the same for me.

The Clayton End atmosphere will be destroyed. If we have to meet the League regs then so be it but as has been stated there is no cash so what penelty we will endure and I dont mean a fine. For me the true sound of the fans is found in the Clayton End and i love standing there.

Grimps 22-12-2008 16:35

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all we can do is what all football clubs do is stand back let the football league make use run out off money and go bust
no need for seat when we get 1172 why 2000 under roof when we are just getting back in to life in the big game again should leve untill league 0ne sorry of the spelling:dummy2::dummy2::dummy2:

Wynonie Harris 22-12-2008 18:39

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Originally Posted by Grimps (Post 662247)
all we can do is what all football clubs do is stand back let the football league make use run out off money and go bust
no need for seat when we get 1172 why 2000 under roof when we are just getting back in to life in the big game again should leve untill league 0ne sorry of the spelling:dummy2::dummy2::dummy2:

Grimps, your literary style seems strangely familiar. That's it, got it! You write the programme, don't you? ;)

Grimps 22-12-2008 22:27

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never bye one can just about spell.need to read aswell if you bye one i just look at kp work on the web than bye one. but i spend more on food and drinck at the ground these days.:hothothot

VALAIRIAN 28-12-2008 20:08

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Got to say enjoyed the atmosphere in the Clayton End today:), The Ultras once again did us proud for most of the match, that along with a great first 20 mins from Stanley it was superb to be there:D. Hate to think what may become of it when the seats are in:(. Hope that it take nothing away from what is in the main an absolutely FANTASTIC DAY OUT!!!



ON STANLEY...............


:thankya::thankya::thankya:

southernred 28-12-2008 20:16

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But what difference will seats make???????????????????????

the seats wil be be in the empty space!!!!


All the seats will go is to compress the singers and the ultras!!! More atmosphere & noise!!!

Perhaps we MAY won't to seat Little Leams Army there?

The Clayton end hold's 2000; add the seats still 1500; we currently only get arund 500.

For goodness sake what's the issuse????

Lets get 1000+ EVERY WEEK on the Clayton End and then start worrying!!!;)

VALAIRIAN 28-12-2008 20:30

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Confused??? My understanding is that the seats are going along the front near the goals?:confused::confused::confused: But if I am not wrong quite a few of us stand there
so it will affect the atmos!!!!

Outback Ozzy 28-12-2008 20:36

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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 663682)
Confused??? My understanding is that the seats are going along the front near the goals?:confused::confused::confused: But if I am not wrong quite a few of us stand there
so it will affect the atmos!!!!

Why should it affect the atmosphere??????? The seats are going along the front of the stand but still plenty of room at the rear of the crush barrier. Ultras will still be together - just maybe spread out wider (but I doubt this) so atmosphere will NOT be affected as I see it. Just means those that normally stand at the front either sit down or move further back. Don't see what the problem is!

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 20:49

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 663687)
Why should it affect the atmosphere??????? The seats are going along the front of the stand but still plenty of room at the rear of the crush barrier. Ultras will still be together - just maybe spread out wider (but I doubt this) so atmosphere will NOT be affected as I see it. Just means those that normally stand at the front either sit down or move further back. Don't see what the problem is!

I do..........................where i stand is the best standing place for me - dont like it further back, would spoil my viewing pleasure especially with a wall directly in front too - so my place atm is exactly where the seats are planned:(

shakermaker 28-12-2008 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by southernred (Post 663679)
But what difference will seats make???????????????????????

the seats wil be be in the empty space!!!!


All the seats will go is to compress the singers and the ultras!!! More atmosphere & noise!!!

Perhaps we MAY won't to seat Little Leams Army there?

The Clayton end hold's 2000; add the seats still 1500; we currently only get arund 500.

For goodness sake what's the issuse????

Lets get 1000+ EVERY WEEK on the Clayton End and then start worrying!!!;)

Well said.
There's no way around the league requirements. The club is minimising the damage with regards to affecting supporters' match day experience. The plans that are ready to go ahead are the most sensible and realistic.

I'm sure the atmosphere would be much worse off if we got thrown out of the league or went bust again after forking out more money than we can afford for an all singing all dancing new stand... again!!

Wynonie Harris 28-12-2008 20:58

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It will affect the atmosphere, but it's difficult to put into words...it just won't "feel" right.

And, as I keep saying, those who maintain there's no problem are the ones who (as far as I'm aware) don't stand on the Clayton End, so they won't be affected.

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 20:59

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Southern Red, Outback Ozzy and Shakermaker, all regular Clayton Enders, NOT, and all with the same view, says it all really. Unless you are one of us don't comment on how we feel.

shakermaker 28-12-2008 21:02

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Clayton Ender or Kop resident??

southernred 28-12-2008 21:02

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 663693)
I do..........................where i stand is the best standing place for me - dont like it further back, would spoil my viewing pleasure especially with a wall directly in front too - so my place atm is exactly where the seats are planned:(

I respect your views; but could you try at the next match to stand a little further back???? If you coulf manage, you may be a little warmer and you'll be practicing foe when the red seats take place!!

Please let us know after you've tried; THANK YOU!!:)

Tin Monkey 28-12-2008 21:05

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Just wait until the blokes from the Whinney Hill side come into the Clayton End. We'll all be moving further back then!! ;)

southernred 28-12-2008 21:10

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Rather short staffed at present!!

BUT as promised will try to spend some time on the Clayton End next match:):)

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 21:20

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663701)
Clayton Ender or Kop resident??

Both but currently in a better position than some to pass comment on the views of US Clayton Enders.:rolleyes:

shakermaker 28-12-2008 21:26

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People, please stop with the ridiculous elitism. It's nonsense. I actually can't believe the phrase "unless you are one of us" was used... Christ! Here's me thinking we are all Stanley!! Or half Stanley... half Liverpool, at least.
The first Stanley game I can remember I was in the cow sheds. I was behind the goals sometimes with my mates, back when you could change ends at half time :) I also remember the Crown Ground before the North stand was built. I stood there sometimes with the old fellas, and duly the North stand still doesn't "feel" (might as well join in with it) like a part of the ground to me. I now regularly sit with my family in front of the press section and that is 'my' place. At some point, if we are lucky enough to have a team so successful, 'my' place may need to make way for a permanent press area that won't be filled or something just as ridiculous ordered by the league.
Stanley fans will appreciate that this has to be, and concede the rather odd feelings without kicking up a fuss. For my Gran and others who were lucky enough to see games at Peel Park, the Crown Ground/FES won't "feel" the same, but they put the Red first and enjoy the fact that we are back in the league where we belong.

Wynonie Harris 28-12-2008 21:29

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If it's a choice between staying in the league and seats on the Clayton End, then we'll just have to accept the latter.

However, it ill becomes those who do not stand on the Clayton End to come on here blithely informing us that there's no problem. There IS a problem and we don't like it one little bit!

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 21:34

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Originally Posted by southernred (Post 663702)
I respect your views; but could you try at the next match to stand a little further back???? If you coulf manage, you may be a little warmer and you'll be practicing foe when the red seats take place!!

Please let us know after you've tried; THANK YOU!!:)

errr ermmm no need to shout haha just said i tried & didnt like it hence kept my trusty position near goaline which kept me coming back to the fes, also when i 1st came i sat in the main stand & didnt like that much - missed half the action, quite rightly as wynonie has said thats the thing that keep ya coming back:D

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 21:35

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 663720)
If it's a choice between staying in the league and seats on the Clayton End, then we'll just have to accept the latter.

However, it ill becomes those who do not stand on the Clayton End to come on here blithely informing us that there's no problem. There IS a problem and we don't like it one little bit!

Here here:D

Wynonie Harris 28-12-2008 21:53

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663718)
People, please stop with the ridiculous elitism.

Hang on a minute, Shakey, who's being elitist? Elitism implies feelings of superiority. I'm not for one minute (and I don't reckon anybody else is) saying that those who stand on the Clayton End are an elite. It's just that we're in love with the old fashioned way of supporting our team...and that means standing on the terraces. Obviously, we'll still be able to do that after the seats go in, but it just won't be the same without a whole standing terraced "end" (even if it's very rarely filled).

I also take exception to people who don't stand on the Clayton End telling me there's no problem. How do they know? And as for "not kicking up a fuss"...we are diehard Stanley fans, just like you, and if we don't like what the club are doing to "our" part of the ground, we have every right to kick up a fuss!

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:00

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"Unless you are one of us don't comment on how we feel."

F***ing ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Wyn
and if we don't like what the club are doing to "our" part of the ground, we have every right to kick up a fuss!

Come on be fair, it's not like the big mean club are doing this out of the big mean blue. It's a necessity. I'm sure plausible alternatives will be welcome. Until then, kicking up a fuss won't really achieve anything will it? As I've already said, it's perfectly understandable to predict that it won't "feel" the same, but to complain seems selfish.

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 22:04

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Not only is it loss of our personal standing space but is going to look blumming rediculous our grounds tinpot enough without it looking more tinpot with painted seats:rolleyes:

Oldgobbin 28-12-2008 22:09

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Yes, it would probably look less tinpot without the seats...... but I suppose in the Conference it wouldn't matter as much!:)

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 22:13

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Originally Posted by Oldgobbin (Post 663741)
Yes, it would probably look less tinpot without the seats...... but I suppose in the Conference it wouldn't matter as much!:)

:rofl38: whats the view of the cowshedders?? not visited for a bit [another good viewing spot standing]......u have a higher wall:eek:

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:14

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 663720)
If it's a choice between staying in the league and seats on the Clayton End, then we'll just have to accept the latter.

However, it ill becomes those who do not stand on the Clayton End to come on here blithely informing us that there's no problem. There IS a problem and we don't like it one little bit!

I wouldn't disagree with anything here, Wyn. You have every right to be peeved. But the fact is, as you've said, there's no choice. Enjoy the terracing while you can, before we move up the leagues and the rest of the seats join the first little settlers!

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 22:18

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Shakermaker the true blood Stanley fan, now who's being elitist. I hope you give the other 1/2 Stanley fans as you call them, i.e Willie Miller for one, the same amount of disdain. I will remember what I am and doff my cap when in your presence in future.

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:20

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No disdain whatsoever. Merely enjoying highlighting your hypocrisy.

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 22:24

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663737)
it's perfectly understandable to predict that it won't "feel" the same, but to complain seems selfish.

Why is it selfish??? we pay our money just the same :confused:

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:25

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 663754)
Why is it selfish??? we pay our money just the same :confused:

Because there's no other alternative. Complaining seems pointless and selfish. The club are doing all they can. Credit where credit's due.

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 22:29

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663751)
No disdain whatsoever. Merely enjoying highlighting your hypocrisy.

So because I choose to stop paying for a season ticket at Anfield (all seater) and came to watch Stanley (terrace) that makes me a hypocrite?

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 22:30

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663755)
Because there's no other alternative. Complaining seems pointless and selfish. The club are doing all they can. Credit where credit's due.

We know the club have to do what they have to do..... does not mean people cant have an opinion or view of how they will be affected by the change, some people say we played good today others say not, some say JC is the king & others say not, does that mean its right or wrong??

What if the club say that your seated area would have to become a standing one - would u happily agree & say nothing because the club is doing best it can giving the curcumstances - i think not:rolleyes:

Stanleymad 28-12-2008 22:33

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 663757)
So because I choose to stop paying for a season ticket at Anfield (all seater) and came to watch Stanley (terrace) that makes me a hypocrite?

No just foolish or a cheapskate ;):rofl38::rofl38:

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:35

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No, that would be silly. To me the hypocrisy lies in 'supporting' two teams. Can't get my head around it and never will.

Surely all the complaints should be aimed at the Football League, not the club. You accused the club of selling the fans down the river a while back and I think that is greatly insulting. The club are being as accommodating as possible given the circumstances. Anyone can see that.

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:42

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 663758)
We know the club have to do what they have to do..... does not mean people cant have an opinion or view of how they will be affected by the change, some people say we played good today others say not, some say JC is the king & others say not, does that mean its right or wrong??

What if the club say that your seated area would have to become a standing one - would u happily agree & say nothing because the club is doing best it can giving the curcumstances - i think not:rolleyes:

I addressed this earlier:
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663718)
I now regularly sit with my family in front of the press section and that is 'my' place. At some point, if we are lucky enough to have a team so successful, 'my' place may need to make way for a permanent press area that won't be filled or something just as ridiculous ordered by the league.
Stanley fans will appreciate that this has to be, and concede the rather odd feelings without kicking up a fuss. For my Gran and others who were lucky enough to see games at Peel Park, the Crown Ground/FES won't "feel" the same, but they put the Red first and enjoy the fact that we are back in the league where we belong.

Of course there's a right to be peeved, but give credit where it's due to the club. They're keeping us in the league and in the black.

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 22:49

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663761)
To me the hypocrisy lies in 'supporting' two teams. Can't get my head around it and never will.

Had to check back through my postings before answering this one. I'm a Liverpool supporter, always will be, but I choose to pay to watch my hometown club instead of being an armchair football fan, does that make me a mutant?:)

shakermaker 28-12-2008 22:54

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 663767)
Had to check back through my postings before answering this one. I'm a Liverpool supporter, always will be, but I choose to pay to watch my hometown club instead of being an armchair football fan, does that make me a mutant?:)

Sorry, it does to me. I love talking football and can watch the odd game on telly, but any live game apart from Stanley bores me senseless. I got invited to last season's United vs Everton game and went (free ticket, thought I'd see Old Trafford). I fell asleep!

cashman 28-12-2008 23:05

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663761)
No, that would be silly. To me the hypocrisy lies in 'supporting' two teams. Can't get my head around it and never will.

thats cos yer not old enough or wise enough yet shaker.:rolleyes:

shakermaker 28-12-2008 23:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 663772)
thats cos yer not old enough or wise enough yet shaker.:rolleyes:

All too easy an assumption to make.

cashman 28-12-2008 23:18

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663773)
All too easy an assumption to make.

no its a fact that you are unable to grasp.

Bagpuss 28-12-2008 23:20

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663769)
but any live game apart from Stanley bores me senseless. I got invited to last season's United vs Everton game and went (free ticket, thought I'd see Old Trafford). I fell asleep!

Understandable but even Old Trafford used to have an atmosphere until............................................. .......................................they put seats where there used to be terracing, I rest my case.:p

shakermaker 28-12-2008 23:22

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 663775)
no its a fact that you are unable to grasp.

Well unless you know all the rights and wrongs of football at a level of some higher being, it still stands that it's all about opinion. Age and wisdom have nothing to do with it. I've given my opinion, and it is just as valid, invalid, right or wrong as yours; regardless of my age.

cashman 28-12-2008 23:32

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663777)
Well unless you know all the rights and wrongs of football at a level of some higher being, it still stands that it's all about opinion. Age and wisdom have nothing to do with it. I've given my opinion, and it is just as valid, invalid, right or wrong as yours; regardless of my age.

fair enough its wrong.

shakermaker 28-12-2008 23:35

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That would make yours just as wrong, then. :)

cashman 28-12-2008 23:44

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663787)
That would make yours just as wrong, then. :)

i do not think so.:)

shakermaker 28-12-2008 23:45

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Exactly :)

mab 29-12-2008 00:47

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 663767)
I'm a Liverpool supporter, always will be, but I choose to pay to watch my hometown club instead of being an armchair football fan, does that make me a mutant?:)

:) I for one totaly agree with you Bagpuss :) not sure about the Liverpool bit though;):)can't beat live football and like you choose to put my money in to stanley weather by standing or sitting:)

Wynonie Harris 29-12-2008 07:13

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 663761)
To me the hypocrisy lies in 'supporting' two teams.

Shakey, like yourself, it's Stanley first and last for me...always has been, always will be. When we left the league in '62 I was one of the few of that generation of Accy lads who didn't go off to Ewood or the Turf, but carried on watching Lancs Comb football at Peel Park until the club finally gave up the ghost in '66. Even then, I refused to watch football until Stanley started up again. I have no interest in any other club and rarely watch games on TV or follow the comings and goings in the Premiership.

However, I think your attitude of disdain to two-club fans and your tactics in insulting them by calling them "hypocrites" is wrong, wrong, wrong. When I stand on the Clayton End, more often than not, I'm with Cashy - he's a Rovers man through and through, but he's there paying his money and supporting Stanley like the rest of us. A few steps away, stands Bagpuss - a Liverpool man who's doing the same. A bit further down I often see a lad who I know is a Burnley fan and so it goes, all around the stadium. If you drive away the dual-club fans, you will find that our gates will go from pitiful to being critical.

But, I don't just want to keep these fans - I want more of these "hypocrites" who you seem to despise to come along and adopt us as their second club. Yes, the future of Stanley lies in attracting more young 'uns to adopt us as their first club (which is why Liam's Match Day Club is such a good idea), but in the meantime, we can gain valuable revenue and vocal support by attracting some of the members of the "lost generations" back to us (even if it is as a second club).

Also, I think many of these fans come along because we offer something that's not available at their own clubs in their all-seater stadiums. And that is the atmosphere of the Clayton End terraces - an atmosphere which I feel will be altered and lessened by the introduction of seating on the lower tiers. Yes, the club will make a short-term cost saving by not having to install a stand on the Whinney Hill side, but I just hope that it doesn't lead to long-term losses by reducing our appeal to casual fans. :(

mab 29-12-2008 07:33

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:)Well said Wynonie Harris couldn't agree with you more.:)

VALAIRIAN 29-12-2008 09:48

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 663734)
Hang on a minute, Shakey, who's being elitist? Elitism implies feelings of superiority. I'm not for one minute (and I don't reckon anybody else is) saying that those who stand on the Clayton End are an elite. It's just that we're in love with the old fashioned way of supporting our team...and that means standing on the terraces. Obviously, we'll still be able to do that after the seats go in, but it just won't be the same without a whole standing terraced "end" (even if it's very rarely filled).

I also take exception to people who don't stand on the Clayton End telling me there's no problem. How do they know? And as for "not kicking up a fuss"...we are diehard Stanley fans, just like you, and if we don't like what the club are doing to "our" part of the ground, we have every right to kick up a fuss!


Well put WH,

I too agree,in that none(to my knowledge)of the Clayton End think that they are any better Etc. but as you put it we enjoy what it has to offer,that is why I personally stand there and not anywhere else.:)

jaysay 29-12-2008 10:20

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Great sentiments Wynonie, can't agree more, I'm a Rovers fan, bu due to my poor health haven't been to live footy for years, but if I was well enough I'd be with you and cashy on a regular basis. Even though I'm a life long Rover I did watch Stanley prior to 1963 as well, so Stanley have always been my second team, and as promised will be shortly buying a Stanley away shirt, and don't forget I've supported the Stanley weekly draw for quite a few years now, but would be much obliged if some one can have a word with the bloke that does the draw I ain't won a penny yet:D


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