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instead of haveing seats in place the club should just say if you want to sit down bring your own chair, would save club money, but dont think the football league would agree to the idea but would look better than haveing empty seats covered by flags
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I think we can all come to a compromise that we have the new stand built but have the second hand seats :D I think thats fair...:cool:
How about a two tier main stand :rolleyes: :D.. Or Just put the seats in both of the corners of the clayton end + main stnad and because obviously we wouldnt be able to walk round from the turnstiles to the terrace because of the seats , we can make some concrete stairs like you have at stadiums were we can walk up onto the terrace from the back (burger van + turnstiles). There crap idea but arnt the clubs aswell :):rolleyes: |
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Burtons ground is not too far of a picture from what ours could look like in years to come! Blue Square Premier Football Ground Guide - Pirelli Stadium, Burton Albion FC
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I like there main stand tbh its exactly what we could have instead of the cow shed. All to their own view :D
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burtons ground cost £6m to build our new 'stand' is costing a 20th of that!
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Eton Park was horrid but at leasit had chracter. Burtons new ground is souless and horrid in a completely different way. Ill keep the cow shed thanks - we need its scathing wit to carry on putting off the opposition when taking throw-ins!!! :)
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It won't matter what colour the seats are if people sit in them.
And depending how much room in the stand the seats take up you could very well all end up sat down in the Clayton end. You cannot stand up in a seated area--licensing authorities don't like it and they can financially punish clubs that don't take action to stop persistant standing (by reducing capacity in areas/stands). I can see this issue creating a lot of friction with stewards and ultimately leading to the matches being fully policed, which costs a LOT of money (the police get double time for football matches and they won't officially police matches with a handful of hats- they put in numerous teams inside and outside with supervisors (sergeants and inspectors) which costs an awful lot). Also, you cannot put seats up the side of a standing terrace area for evacuation purposes. Imagine a large body of people moving sidewards to evacuate and being compressed into filtering through obstacles (narrow rows of seating)... a surge could turn into a crush. You just can't mix standing and sitting supporters in the same area. Aside from the blocking of seated view, people get sloshed and fall over the seats in front of them, onto the people sat down. Don't forget that if things aren't certified safe, people can't come in. This might come as a shock, but where stadiums are concerned, crowd safety will come before a match being played in front of a crowd, in the eyes of the authorities. If the powers that be mess up the seating and it isn't satisfactory, the local authorities could step in and instruct things to be changed, which costs money (and lots of it). I can also see local authorites getting crabby if seats are covered up with flags and people are stood up nearby, it defeats the object of having seats! It would not make sense to me to put seats in the Whinney Hill terrace. It is old and would be redeveloped in future, should cash become available. Putting new seats into an area that is likely to be ripped down in future would not make financial sense, it is a waste of cash. Eric Whalley and his band of merry men would be mad to put seats in the Whinney Hill terrace. It's going to have to be the Clayton Terrace where the seats go and people are going to have to sit in them. The new stand may as well have the new seating area. People aren't going to like it, but as has been said, when you enter the Football League, you agree to their rules like everyone else has to. |
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still got the FCStanley flag? :D:D
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This debate has taken a funny turn..
Its x amount of seats in the cow shed and y amount of seats along the front of the clayton end with terracing behind..... why are we talking about ifs buts maybes.. its done and dusted.. too late now to submit new plans... how long do you think its taken to sort these out? Time to come to terms with it and go forward IMHO :) |
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Why do I have this feeling that we will not be allowed to seat the cowshed and that the Clayton End will become an all seated area. If this happens Eric and Co will I'm sure blame everyone else but themselves.:( |
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Who's saying from the Club we can't seat the Cowshed???
That's the bit that makes sense: Minimal cost, and it will increase capacity.:) We can't seat the entire Clayton End;:rolleyes: 1) would reduce capacity under 5K 2) what's the pont of putting into more than 2000 seats, when we only need that many (at present) 3) why spend money that could be better spent elsewhere 4) why run the risk of upsetting/ losing any more fans. We are trying to add to the fanbase, whilst ticking all the FL and H & S boxes. |
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Seriously though, if I had my way, which I don't I would seat the whole Clayton End and make it the family stand, which visiting familys and OAP's can also sit in towards the Whinney Hill end and a Disabled viewing platform on the end towards the Thwaites Stand, make the Whinney Hill Terrace larger with a cover about 40-50 yards in length in the middle and a new police control room behind it on the halfway line and TV gantry above the roof and make this terrace for away fans approx 2000/2500 and roof the Coppice and make this the the 'Home End'. With this in place in the future the club can extend the terrace to the sides or back abit more and build new dressing rooms/offices/shop in the corner leaving more room behind the main stand for more coporate facilities. Just my Idea, it would be a shame in the future if the only terracing left at FES was allocated to away fans. :mosher::D |
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Superb idea sir, Can you drop the cheque off in the morning payable to ASFC for £500,000. That will allow the club to get a grant for the balance and we'll be up and running:alright: |
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Well it's fair play to the club from me. We have to consider our financial security and league status above anything else. So what if the seats in the Clayton End look a bit odd when we're still in the black and in the league?
Re the blue seats - I'm sure at least one of our sponsors would donate a bit of cash towards some red paint? Proper stuff mind, people don't want to take the red away as a souvenir :) We'll never be lacking in volunteers to get the job done. Don't see what all the fuss is about really. Necessary evils & all that! |
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Aye fair enough, Wyn. But let's remember that it is just a change, not a demolition job.
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Not sure if this has been asked already but has anyone seen any plans of what its all going to look like??
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will the end have to be close off if the work run into a home game look at jan 09 games and the away end will that aswell
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Don't like the thought of a all seater clayton end,when all seater replaces all standing the atmosphere seems to dissapear,you only have to watch a match on the tele and listen.Liverpool,man utd,rovers etc,nobody seems to sing like they used to when it was all standing,everyone surging forward when a goal was scored or a near miss just as you took a mouth full of steaming hot bovril.But we didn't care,oh happy days,lol,i rest my case.KP will remember he's old enough lol.
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Who's talking about an all seater Clayton end?
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Nobody hopefully!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
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It's clear to everyone who isn't a wannabe Fox Mulder that the club is only doing what is necessary to a) stay in the black and b) stay in the football league. Eric would never want the ground to be all-seating - I mean come on, we all know he is one of the old guard when it comes to... everything - but if the team become that succesful then it may be necessary. For instance, take the sponsorship of the ground's name. No one at the club would've wanted to change the name of The Crown Ground, but the moneys taken from the deal are essential to the club's day-to-day running. No one from the club is "selling the fans down the river", as you insultingly put it a while back. There's no alternative to compliance with Football League rules as long as we are fortunate enough to have a team that can keep us there. |
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Im sure they`d move the ground and have a new one built if they where to make the clayton end an all seater!
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Posts have dried up from the club because too busy to comment and nothing more to say!!;)
The seats will be in place in time and no there are no plans to make the Clayton End all seater; nobody wants more than 2000 seats and we can't afford to reduce the capacity under 5K. What more is there to say???:) |
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On what has been a pretty bad week - results and injuries Etc. - that is a result!
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Christmas time? Easter time? New year time? Dinner time? Tea time? Chico time?.... I want to have a few more discos on the terrace before the seats go in! ::cool::theband::theband: |
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For the upteenth time, the Football League deadline is the 1st of May on the 3rd season of membership.:)
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I like the way you put the smile their to hide your fustration of answering the question :)
But if you dont want to answer questions then no need to put yourself forward on this forum to do so. However thanks for answering :D |
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Sorry I don't mean to come across with frustration; it simply dosn't exist.
All I am to do is pass on the facts, as and when I see fit!! The smily was added for no reason other than to say I'm happy to pass on certain facts!! |
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Having been at Bamber Bridge for Stuart Howsons charity match i was impressed with their main stand.A similar stand would look great in place of the cow shed,and the seating needed to appease the football league would fit in it perfectly.Surely it's worth a look at.
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Just out of interest, how much will these seats be costing the club????
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I dont think their will be much money and no exact details from the club either about the amount. We just have to face it now that we will be having seats in place and not a new stand and the i think the club has done more then enough to try its best.
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Must say, having taken a good look around yesterday I could not work out how its going to look / work out!!! Would like some official comment on the situation:confused::confused::confused:
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it will look like macclesfield home end blue at the front first 4 row and then we will be at the back standing look crap but will have to do with no pennys after utd game the fooball league should not ask use to build it we had less than 800 home fan and it will keep falling until some one comes in to help the club in more ways the one on and off the fieldsorry for the spelling :enough:
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Cheers Grimps - thanks for that;)
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It'll look totally Mickey Mouse - in fact, it'll make us look like a third-rate Unibond Div 1 club. In my personal opinion, it'll alter the whole atmosphere on the Clayton End (and I notice that those who have said they can't see what the problem don't actually stand there). If there is absolutely no other way to meet league requirements, then I suppose we'll have to put with it, but match days will never be quite the same for me.
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when the blue seat go in i will stand in the same place becouse im am accy thats it up the accy and up the blue seat that we cant stop going in its bollcks realy for the lads but that all we can do is move up a some rows thanks (man city)
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all we can do is what all football clubs do is stand back let the football league make use run out off money and go bust
no need for seat when we get 1172 why 2000 under roof when we are just getting back in to life in the big game again should leve untill league 0ne sorry of the spelling:dummy2::dummy2::dummy2: |
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never bye one can just about spell.need to read aswell if you bye one i just look at kp work on the web than bye one. but i spend more on food and drinck at the ground these days.:hothothot
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Got to say enjoyed the atmosphere in the Clayton End today:), The Ultras once again did us proud for most of the match, that along with a great first 20 mins from Stanley it was superb to be there:D. Hate to think what may become of it when the seats are in:(. Hope that it take nothing away from what is in the main an absolutely FANTASTIC DAY OUT!!!
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But what difference will seats make???????????????????????
the seats wil be be in the empty space!!!! All the seats will go is to compress the singers and the ultras!!! More atmosphere & noise!!! Perhaps we MAY won't to seat Little Leams Army there? The Clayton end hold's 2000; add the seats still 1500; we currently only get arund 500. For goodness sake what's the issuse???? Lets get 1000+ EVERY WEEK on the Clayton End and then start worrying!!!;) |
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Confused??? My understanding is that the seats are going along the front near the goals?:confused::confused::confused: But if I am not wrong quite a few of us stand there
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There's no way around the league requirements. The club is minimising the damage with regards to affecting supporters' match day experience. The plans that are ready to go ahead are the most sensible and realistic. I'm sure the atmosphere would be much worse off if we got thrown out of the league or went bust again after forking out more money than we can afford for an all singing all dancing new stand... again!! |
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It will affect the atmosphere, but it's difficult to put into words...it just won't "feel" right.
And, as I keep saying, those who maintain there's no problem are the ones who (as far as I'm aware) don't stand on the Clayton End, so they won't be affected. |
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Southern Red, Outback Ozzy and Shakermaker, all regular Clayton Enders, NOT, and all with the same view, says it all really. Unless you are one of us don't comment on how we feel.
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Clayton Ender or Kop resident??
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Just wait until the blokes from the Whinney Hill side come into the Clayton End. We'll all be moving further back then!! ;)
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Rather short staffed at present!!
BUT as promised will try to spend some time on the Clayton End next match:):) |
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People, please stop with the ridiculous elitism. It's nonsense. I actually can't believe the phrase "unless you are one of us" was used... Christ! Here's me thinking we are all Stanley!! Or half Stanley... half Liverpool, at least.
The first Stanley game I can remember I was in the cow sheds. I was behind the goals sometimes with my mates, back when you could change ends at half time :) I also remember the Crown Ground before the North stand was built. I stood there sometimes with the old fellas, and duly the North stand still doesn't "feel" (might as well join in with it) like a part of the ground to me. I now regularly sit with my family in front of the press section and that is 'my' place. At some point, if we are lucky enough to have a team so successful, 'my' place may need to make way for a permanent press area that won't be filled or something just as ridiculous ordered by the league. Stanley fans will appreciate that this has to be, and concede the rather odd feelings without kicking up a fuss. For my Gran and others who were lucky enough to see games at Peel Park, the Crown Ground/FES won't "feel" the same, but they put the Red first and enjoy the fact that we are back in the league where we belong. |
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If it's a choice between staying in the league and seats on the Clayton End, then we'll just have to accept the latter.
However, it ill becomes those who do not stand on the Clayton End to come on here blithely informing us that there's no problem. There IS a problem and we don't like it one little bit! |
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I also take exception to people who don't stand on the Clayton End telling me there's no problem. How do they know? And as for "not kicking up a fuss"...we are diehard Stanley fans, just like you, and if we don't like what the club are doing to "our" part of the ground, we have every right to kick up a fuss! |
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Not only is it loss of our personal standing space but is going to look blumming rediculous our grounds tinpot enough without it looking more tinpot with painted seats:rolleyes:
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Yes, it would probably look less tinpot without the seats...... but I suppose in the Conference it wouldn't matter as much!:)
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Shakermaker the true blood Stanley fan, now who's being elitist. I hope you give the other 1/2 Stanley fans as you call them, i.e Willie Miller for one, the same amount of disdain. I will remember what I am and doff my cap when in your presence in future.
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No disdain whatsoever. Merely enjoying highlighting your hypocrisy.
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No, that would be silly. To me the hypocrisy lies in 'supporting' two teams. Can't get my head around it and never will.
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However, I think your attitude of disdain to two-club fans and your tactics in insulting them by calling them "hypocrites" is wrong, wrong, wrong. When I stand on the Clayton End, more often than not, I'm with Cashy - he's a Rovers man through and through, but he's there paying his money and supporting Stanley like the rest of us. A few steps away, stands Bagpuss - a Liverpool man who's doing the same. A bit further down I often see a lad who I know is a Burnley fan and so it goes, all around the stadium. If you drive away the dual-club fans, you will find that our gates will go from pitiful to being critical. But, I don't just want to keep these fans - I want more of these "hypocrites" who you seem to despise to come along and adopt us as their second club. Yes, the future of Stanley lies in attracting more young 'uns to adopt us as their first club (which is why Liam's Match Day Club is such a good idea), but in the meantime, we can gain valuable revenue and vocal support by attracting some of the members of the "lost generations" back to us (even if it is as a second club). Also, I think many of these fans come along because we offer something that's not available at their own clubs in their all-seater stadiums. And that is the atmosphere of the Clayton End terraces - an atmosphere which I feel will be altered and lessened by the introduction of seating on the lower tiers. Yes, the club will make a short-term cost saving by not having to install a stand on the Whinney Hill side, but I just hope that it doesn't lead to long-term losses by reducing our appeal to casual fans. :( |
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:)Well said Wynonie Harris couldn't agree with you more.:)
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Great sentiments Wynonie, can't agree more, I'm a Rovers fan, bu due to my poor health haven't been to live footy for years, but if I was well enough I'd be with you and cashy on a regular basis. Even though I'm a life long Rover I did watch Stanley prior to 1963 as well, so Stanley have always been my second team, and as promised will be shortly buying a Stanley away shirt, and don't forget I've supported the Stanley weekly draw for quite a few years now, but would be much obliged if some one can have a word with the bloke that does the draw I ain't won a penny yet:D
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