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Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:37

vs Crewe Alex
 
Here we go.............. C'MON STANLEY:mosher:
And Good morning/evening all...

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 18:40

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come on Stanley,

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:43

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Alan Martin

26. Tom Lees

12. Phil Edwards

5. Darran Kempson

15. Dean Winnard

14. James Ryan

8. Luke Joyce

6. Andrew Procter

7. John Miles

11. Robert Grant

19. Michael Symes


SUBS
25. Ian Dunbavin (GK)

9. Billy Kee

16. Chris Turner

17. Sean McConville

20. Peter Murphy

24. Gary King

55. Zack Riley

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:43

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Why do they start KEE from the bench??

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 18:44

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grants in form, would of left turner on.

Doug 25-09-2009 18:48

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Grant..............

sparkie 25-09-2009 18:49

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2-0 symes

Doug 25-09-2009 18:50

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Symes 2 -0

sparkie 25-09-2009 18:50

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keeper lobbed a second time!!!

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 18:50

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what did i say!!!

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 18:51

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gutted i cnt get any online radio due to internet

good start striker and winger/striker scoring

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:52

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My god...went out to the garage to get some stuff, get back and BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Should be 'Game set and match ...

MikeA 25-09-2009 18:54

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The game's live on Radio Stoke if anyone can get 1503MW.

Doug 25-09-2009 18:54

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any idea of the gate....

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 18:55

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we all remember bradford last season don't count the chickens just yet

Doug 25-09-2009 18:55

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it's on 2br too......

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:55

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Any news on the attendence??

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM (Post 747811)
we all remember bradford last season don't count the chickens just yet

Yea I know...but a professional team SHOULD have learnt...:rolleyes:

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:02

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This is not good...12 minutes and we haven't scored again...:D

lancsdave 25-09-2009 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi John (Post 747813)
Any news on the attendence??

There were actually queues to get in at kick off time, looks to be a healthy attendance

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:05

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Never like Crewe Alexandra...reason being my ex wifes name was ALEXANDRA...
Slay them STANLEY

Doug 25-09-2009 19:27

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bollocks....

sparkie 25-09-2009 19:28

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2-1 now

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:31

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To quote Doug.. &*$%^%#^(&&^$^*(&(*&^&^&^)_()&*^*(

Chimer 25-09-2009 19:34

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I'll admit I'm here now seeing my keeping quiet tactic didn't survive until half-time :( .. c'mon Stanley !

Doug 25-09-2009 19:35

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Right I've got calls to make, I hope to get updates from the BBC in the car. On Stanley On.

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimer (Post 747826)
I'll admit I'm here now seeing my keeping quiet tactic didn't survive until half-time :( .. c'mon Stanley !

Yes,,, you are around an hour ahead of yourself...:)

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 19:36

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could of done without that so close to half-time, defending now got to.

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:39

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We still got the "ACE OF SHAMROCKS" to come on yet..

sparkie 25-09-2009 19:51

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get in bobby again!!!

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 19:54

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Yeeeee hawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

sparkie 25-09-2009 20:10

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4-1 Proccy

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:11

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa

Chimer 25-09-2009 20:13

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You need to do something about that sticky keyboard KJ .......

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:16

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Yessssssssssssssss I mustt

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:19

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5-1! Symes. Another and we'll match the score they beat us by at Ewood Park in the 90s.

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:22

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Crewe playing 4-0-6 with no midfield, according to BBC Stoke.

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:22

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Geezzzzzzzzzz...orgasmic stuff......wheres the tissues??

Chimer 25-09-2009 20:22

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Someone pinch me, I'm dreaming!

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:23

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Joel Grant again. 5-2. Crewe fans not even celebrating.

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:25

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Too many GRANTS

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:26

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Problem solved. Kee on for Bobby Grant.

Chimer 25-09-2009 20:26

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OK that's a pinch - no more thanks ...

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:28

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Could be another couple from KEE??

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:30

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Proccy MOTM

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:31

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Crowd 2764

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:32

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Attendence anyone?

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:32

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Thanks Mike

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:34

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Oh dear. 5-3! Martin lobbed.

Chimer 25-09-2009 20:37

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They can't make it easy, can they?

But still - yee hah!

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:37

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Oh dear................ :(

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:38

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From Crewe's message board:

5-3. The shame is that doesn't reflect how crap we have been.

dabeast 25-09-2009 20:41

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Anyone got maximum points for the prediction league??? Nice one Stanley

Kiwi John 25-09-2009 20:41

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Well done STANLEY.. ON and ON

MikeA 25-09-2009 20:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dabeast (Post 747876)
Anyone got maximum points for the prediction league??? Nice one Stanley

Not me! Do I care? :)

MCR ADIM 25-09-2009 20:57

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great game! party night in accrington tonight than, and portsmouth!
rather be at the crown ground tonight though!

well done stanley boys! grants in good form now

caretaker 25-09-2009 21:05

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A good nights entertainment , Stanleys defence marginally better than Crewes, but will need to tighten up against better sides. Good Attendance, good support,another good Friday night. Kempson and Martin need a better understanding, but a good three points anyway.

SamF 25-09-2009 21:07

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Good result, some utterly woeful defending by both teams at times though - first goal for us could well be the goal of the season spectactular shot by bobby grant.

theresonlyoneaccy 25-09-2009 21:23

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Im glad we've only got Martin til January he doesn't show any command of the area.

cashman 25-09-2009 21:27

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great result, defending just before half time was crap, great atmosphere spoilt a bit by a total knobhead steward, who told wynonie n me n others we could not stand were we have been stood all season.:( i was 3 steps down on clayton end from the enterance left behind the goal.:( aint seen this clown before, none of the others have said a dicky! n why should they? didn't ask us- told us, refused to move cannot see a valid reason to.end of the day we were stood on terrace 3 steps below the rail, we pay good money to watch stanley, why are stanley paying a knob like this? end of rant,:mad:

Pendle Red 25-09-2009 21:37

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Excellent game with some good goals, howling defending but keep winning it keeps Stanley on the upward spiral and keeps thinks positive in the best way possible.

Hopefully the fans who have helped out from other clubs and neutrals with their prescence at the Crown Ground helping to swell numbers in the last two games will see something to keep them coming back:)

shakermaker 25-09-2009 21:41

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Great goals, great game. Well done red men.

Thought Andy Procter was magnificent from start to finish. Tom Lees had a mega first half, he's definitely one to watch for the future.

I like Footy Fridays...

Doug 25-09-2009 21:43

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Well Done Stanley, a night to be proud of, pity about Crewe's last two but hey, 3 points at this stage of the game. Wish I could have been there tonight. Let's have more of this Stanley.....Play up.....


On Stanley On...

cashman 25-09-2009 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 747905)
Great goals, great game. Well done red men.

Thought Andy Procter was magnificent from start to finish. Tom Lees had a mega first half, he's definitely one to watch for the future.

I like Footy Fridays...

so do we.:) thought proccy deserved man of match, but would have been no complaints if any of em had got it.:)

Grimps 25-09-2009 21:46

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top game but **** back 4 for use and crap team crewe.crewe keeper **** drop him next game 3 pts loved it

mab 25-09-2009 22:00

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On sky sports news now:)

Outback Ozzy 25-09-2009 22:05

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Great game, pity the announcer couldn't see who scored our second goal and announced it as Bobby Grant (who IMHO was my man of the match) when clearly Symes scored it. At least Accy Webbers got the correct news. Both goalies had howling matches to be honest. And for those that say Dunbavin is no good, Alan Martin wasn't up to much tonight. At fault for the third goal and not much help with the other 2. But the one thing that really p***** me off is the programme notes from our esteemed Chairperson D'ON. To quote " I seem to refer to the ASSF every time I write my notes and today is no different as once again the fund is homing in on the media hype that surrounds us. I will not enter a verbal crossfire in the local or national press with this group and I hope it will become obvious at some point to our fans why negotiation has not been taken to another level. It is often said that talk is cheap and sometimes to say nothing is a sign of inner strength of being totally focussed, all I will say is ASSF and Mr Khan, you had your chance to prove to our fans that the club is bigger than anyone when we were in court on the 2nd Sept, had you stepped up to the mark I would have handed you control of the club, you did nothing and would have let the club be wound up, that was the easy way out for you as everyone would just blame me, well I think it is time to either come on board and help your club that so may people are doing (unconditionally) or stay away from our limelight and let the true fans and the community of Hyndburn save the club they love" - I foresee trouble ahead. I cannot believe D o'N has said this. At no time has Ilyas Khan stated he wanted to take over the club, he is just asking for some form of return for the money he is prepared to invest, I don't think you can say fairer than that.

cashman 25-09-2009 22:18

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thats a bit rich, the Don entered no verbal crossfire himself at the club meeting with fans, in fact never gave a straight answer to many questions, were has been the dialouge with the true fans n community of hyndburn as he puts it.:(

CreweFan 25-09-2009 22:20

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Just got back.

First of all well done on the three points and what a game it was! the neutrals that were present certainly got value for money:rolleyes:

I honestly can not be bothered to talk about our performace as we where woeful and not to mention the two respective keepers.

Grant & Symes impressed me though!

Decent attendance alround, how many fans would you say we had?

Good luck for the rest of the season and with the fundraising.

Doug 25-09-2009 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 747916)
Great game, pity the announcer couldn't see who scored our second goal and announced it as Bobby Grant (who IMHO was my man of the match) when clearly Symes scored it. At least Accy Webbers got the correct news. Both goalies had howling matches to be honest. And for those that say Dunbavin is no good, Alan Martin wasn't up to much tonight. At fault for the third goal and not much help with the other 2. But the one thing that really p***** me off is the programme notes from our esteemed Chairperson D'ON. To quote " I seem to refer to the ASSF every time I write my notes and today is no different as once again the fund is homing in on the media hype that surrounds us. I will not enter a verbal crossfire in the local or national press with this group and I hope it will become obvious at some point to our fans why negotiation has not been taken to another level. It is often said that talk is cheap and sometimes to say nothing is a sign of inner strength of being totally focussed, all I will say is ASSF and Mr Khan, you had your chance to prove to our fans that the club is bigger than anyone when we were in court on the 2nd Sept, had you stepped up to the mark I would have handed you control of the club, you did nothing and would have let the club be wound up, that was the easy way out for you as everyone would just blame me, well I think it is time to either come on board and help your club that so may people are doing (unconditionally) or stay away from our limelight and let the true fans and the community of Hyndburn save the club they love" - I foresee trouble ahead. I cannot believe D o'N has said this. At no time has Ilyas Khan stated he wanted to take over the club, he is just asking for some form of return for the money he is prepared to invest, I don't think you can say fairer than that.

Why do we do it? As a club we shouldn’t be washing our ****ty underpants in our own Programme; Now come on, whatever your agendas its time both of you come out in the open and settle this issue (without conditions) in a public debate. Both parties are playing for silly ****ing points at the expense of our club.

Stanleymad 25-09-2009 22:23

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Posted via Mobile Device Wow can we play like that every match and fridays too. Voice going lol.

SamF 25-09-2009 22:23

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Forgot to mention - Nigel Clough was here tonight, don't know why though.

CreweFan 25-09-2009 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 747929)
Forgot to mention - Nigel Clough was here tonight, don't know why though.

Probably to look at our John Brayford who he has been after for a while.

shakermaker 25-09-2009 22:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 747929)
Forgot to mention - Nigel Clough was here tonight, don't know why though.

It's alright, the illegitimate one bought a wristband. :)

CreweFan 25-09-2009 22:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 747931)
It's alright, the illegitimate one bought a wristband. :)

The question is, did he pay to get in though :D

Stanleymad 25-09-2009 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreweFan (Post 747933)
The question is, did he pay to get in though :D



Posted via Mobile Device Yep he did apparently lol

CreweFan 25-09-2009 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 747935)
Posted via Mobile Device Yep he did apparently lol

Fair play then.

Stanleymad 25-09-2009 22:35

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Posted via Mobile Device Was told he cant have any of our players tho lol

SamF 25-09-2009 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 747939)
Posted via Mobile Device Was told he cant have any of our players tho lol

He can have any of them for £308K

shakermaker 25-09-2009 22:37

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Admission fee, SOS donation via wristband, the Peter Swailes Memorial Shield, passing his former team on the road to league football... where does the generosity end Nige? :D

Sorry, thank you very much Mr Clough. Though I do feel very dirty for typing that... :D

Stanleymad 25-09-2009 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 747940)
He can have any of them for £308K



Posted via Mobile Device Pmsl wondered how quick that one would be lol Tho he recons they're just as skint too

cashman 25-09-2009 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CreweFan (Post 747923)
Just got back.

First of all well done on the three points and what a game it was! the neutrals that were present certainly got value for money:rolleyes:

I honestly can not be bothered to talk about our performace as we where woeful and not to mention the two respective keepers.

Grant & Symes impressed me though!

Decent attendance alround, how many fans would you say we had?

Good luck for the rest of the season and with the fundraising.

cheers mate, reckon ya had around 400 crewe fans, my best guess.:)

cashman 25-09-2009 22:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 747941)
Admission fee, SOS donation via wristband, the Peter Swailes Memorial Shield, passing his former team on the road to league football... where does the generosity end Nige? :D

Sorry, thank you very much Mr Clough. Though I do feel very dirty for typing that... :D

Don't feel dirty shaker, anyone who donates will do fer me, even Torys.:D

cashman 25-09-2009 22:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CreweFan (Post 747923)
Just got back.

First of all well done on the three points and what a game it was! the neutrals that were present certainly got value for money:rolleyes:

I honestly can not be bothered to talk about our performace as we where woeful and not to mention the two respective keepers.

Grant & Symes impressed me though!

Decent attendance alround, how many fans would you say we had?

Good luck for the rest of the season and with the fundraising.

Don't beat yerself up, didn't think crewe were woeful, ok missed a few, but theres been far worse teams at the crown this season.;)

Nickelson 25-09-2009 23:01

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A brace from former Crewe loanee Symes to round it off :)

Reamer 26-09-2009 00:19

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Well I have to say we saw a reet proper game of footy tonight. None of your namby pamby premiership stuff. If this don't bring back the absentees and the doubters of our township then nothing will. Well played both lots

carpon 26-09-2009 02:22

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I couldn't make it tonight unfortunately, due to working late and other commitments. I'll donate £20 via Paypal ( with ref. to another post, please enlighten, as to the situation with PayPal )!!for my enforced abscence. I managed to take in a little of the game ( via internet radio coverage ) and also saw a couple of goals ( via SKY Sports news )..seems like I missed a cracker.....and the Reds scoring FIVE...

Bearing in mind, reading what I have read on this thread earlier, Am I to believe that the D'on has had a go at Mr Khan???? (via whatever medium...program??? )

What happened to the so called sense of solidaritary, get the club out of this mire and then start asking questions??? Admittedly, the Don will not want a share issue, it hopefully ( getting out of this mire) may not arise, but am I to believe that dirty linen has been aired in public.... so to speak????

Was this in the Official Program of A.S.F.C ????

If so, Please enlighten one who was exiled,

VALAIRIAN 26-09-2009 05:34

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Yes Chimer Ozzy's quote (Of David O'Neill) comes from A.S.F.C. Programme :eek:

Shurm 26-09-2009 08:19

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Top night I'll go every week if it's on a Friday :D

Sorry to mention it again but the stewards are knobs couldn't believe they restrained someone and took him out surely that's not the answer if someone won't move ??? :(

VALAIRIAN 26-09-2009 08:34

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Correct about the stewards - though Mr. T will tell us otherwise :D - I believe there was somebody official there to see about ground safety, so can sort of understand, but it is painfully obvious that there is not enough room in The Clayton End :rolleyes: I know all the stuff about rules, costs and stuff, but longer term it has to be sorted :)

mab 26-09-2009 08:51

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:( I asked one of our steward's a bit ago where had this new lot of steward's come from!!! and the answer is Blackburn Rovers..

Haggis316 26-09-2009 08:57

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Railwayman inquest

Accrington Stanley 5, Crewe Alex 3

maccawozzagod 26-09-2009 09:01

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I was talking to Al about some of the issues last night in the Crown.

Basically the upshot is that many of the stewards are new and the layout of the ground doesn't lend itself to happy stewarding so they need feedback form us on what works and what doesn't work etc etc - as well as common sense help in the way we conduct ourselves.

Recommendation no1 is the opening of the rear handrail right in the middle.

It is impossible to get in and out of the area immediately behind the goal.

Recommendation no 2 is that the stewards chill out a bit. The behaviour of our fans does not need questioning as we have the lowest amount of banning orders or arrests of all the 92 league clubs for the past 3 1/2 years. A softly softly approach will work far better than the current heavy handed mob. We all know that if you give somebody cause to rebel then they will take it - particularly when drunk!

K.S.H 26-09-2009 09:48

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IMHO the best way would to do away with the walkway at the top and put it at the bottom instead, between the standing fans and the seats

cashman 26-09-2009 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 748020)
I was talking to Al about some of the issues last night in the Crown.

Basically the upshot is that many of the stewards are new and the layout of the ground doesn't lend itself to happy stewarding so they need feedback form us on what works and what doesn't work etc etc - as well as common sense help in the way we conduct ourselves.

Recommendation no1 is the opening of the rear handrail right in the middle.

It is impossible to get in and out of the area immediately behind the goal.

Recommendation no 2 is that the stewards chill out a bit. The behaviour of our fans does not need questioning as we have the lowest amount of banning orders or arrests of all the 92 league clubs for the past 3 1/2 years. A softly softly approach will work far better than the current heavy handed mob. We all know that if you give somebody cause to rebel then they will take it - particularly when drunk!

as you know macca i cannot drink, so no alcohol induced anger from me, when i am stood 3 steps down from the walkway and n attitude tells me i'm not allowed to stand there, then i am going to be at best very unpleased.

maccawozzagod 26-09-2009 10:40

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the main problem is that the seats have pushed everyone closer together and there isn't much standing room anymore - certainly not when we have increased crowds like the last two. But walkways MUST be kept clear, it's the law!

:hidewall: (macca ducks behind wall in anticipation of incoming flak)

VALAIRIAN 26-09-2009 10:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 748046)
the main problem is that the seats have pushed everyone closer together and there isn't much standing room anymore - certainly not when we have increased crowds like the last two. But walkways MUST be kept clear, it's the law!

:uzi::uzi::hidewall: (macca ducks behind wall in anticipation of incoming flak)

What Flak? :D :D :D

mab 26-09-2009 11:10

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BBC SPORT | Football | League Two | Accrington Stanley 5-3 Crewe

Colmeister 26-09-2009 11:11

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Fantastic result last night and really glad I came down for the match – the ultra’s as always were in full voice for the entire 90 minutes and beyond! Wasn’t expecting such a large attendance – wouldn’t mind another Friday nighter at some point!

Was also great to meet a few members of the message board including Harwood Red, Stanley Mad, Mr T, and arguably the boards finest poster – Macca, who I somehow ended up buying two wristbands from - presumably one for each wrist!

I have to say Harrow that I was well impressed that not only could you perfectly understand Glaswegian for 90 minutes, but you also had to put up with the Gretna boys from the row behind who were a good laugh too.

Joe – as always great to meet up and will catch up with you again at the Macclesfield match. Will need to get a few of the crowd together for a pre-match pint or two!

VALAIRIAN 26-09-2009 11:16

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Glad that you enjoyed it, you must have been absolutely knackered by the time you got back this morning :eek: :) Will ensure that we have a good chat and a few drinks next time, as I will know when you are coming ;)


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