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good grief your keen. I might buy you one Doug :)

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Please......:D

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cant find full match commentry online anywhere

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up dates on 2br

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Why only updates on 2br and not FMC? :(

Jimbo T :horn8:blower

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proberly because they want more people to go to the game during this time of needing money! bad for people like us that dont live in or around accrington.

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he plays on the left
he plays on the rigghttt
that boy chris turner
makes full backs look ******

First league goal for accrington

well done chris

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Does anyone know score ? Not gone been very ill no radio coverage either :(

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1-0 Chris Turner Just scored

Updates on 2BR seems where on top

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2-0 now

Phil Edwards Penalty

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Bobby grant now

3-0

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Posted via Mobile Devicegood stuff.

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Thanks mcr that score line has cheered me up :D

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4-0 Grant

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if you have radio lancs on theyre going to be interviewing mr coleman about the game in a few mins ...

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Remets-toi vite SM !!!...(Couldn't resist !!).....

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What did Mr. O'Neil say in the bloody programme.....

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I trawled through the programme this afternoon and found nothing. I read the DON page and there was nothing new being said at all. I may well have missed it, but there appeared to be no new news in today's programme.

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Oh Crap.......hope we're not going to be let down again....:rolleyes:

Cheer's TM

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welcome to the players,staff and fans of Cheltenham Town ?

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oops wrong thread!

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BBC said their was shirts from all over the place

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Bristol, Ipswich, Preston, Blackpool were ones I saw

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Add to that Portsmouth and one guy visited the club shop, but could not stay for the match, he had a flight to Perth to catch in London, pity, he missed a great match. BTW a few Cheltenham shirts as well, but they were not happy with Martin Allen at the end of the match. Cannot for the life of me think why. Michael Symes given man of the match (and deservedly so - seems like the new Paul Mullin, holding the ball up for other attackers), but I think every man jack of the squad deserves praise for that performance. They played the opposition off the park and didn't get their forwards a look in, in fact, I cannot remember Dunbavin having to make a serious save all day. Spoke to Geoff Heap this afternoon and he said not to worry about the debt, it will be sorted! Still worried though, I just wish the board would open up and say how they intend to pay off the bill!

But on the playing side, if we can keep this up and stay in the league after the end of this month, there is an outside chance that we may just challenge for a play off spot, if not automatic promotion.

One last thing, can I thank the Cheltenham supporters who dug in their pockets and gave generously towards the SOS fund. :mosher:

:theband:

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W.B.A./Leeds/Wigan, Plus some Scots.....

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A Lad from Wigan Athletic stood by me

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one old lad from staford rangers. no game so he come to us

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The planned announcement was slightly delayed. It will be towards the end of the week. Not everything was ready....

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Obviously top secret, but can we start breathing a little easier now? I mean, can I go to sleep tonight without staring at the ceiling in the wee small hours of the morning?

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I wouldn't go that far!:D

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My ex used to look up there as well, mumbling someting about how she must paint it beige.This was uttered during the act of procreation... :(

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Damn! You got me all excited there for a moment (which doesn't sound like the sort of thing Kiwi's ex would say!). :D

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Which week? And why does it have to be so hush-hush?

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Cheer's young Willie.......:)

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Impact….Hush…….nobody’s told Marcella yet…….:D

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Have you been co-opted onto the board Willie ? :D

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no, just had a chat with the D'On & Rob... its the only way to try & get some truths....

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Well, I think there's something that don't ring true in all this. Hope you got to the nitty gritty ;)

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The only thing that I'd relate to in the programme realting to positive news was the proposed ground redevolpment plans finally being submitted for rubber stamping / approval...

Nothing to suggest or relating to resolving the impending problem with the taxman......

That said, the consencus of opinion to those that I spoke to on the game today seemed to think that our chairman must have a plan in place in order to satisfy H.M.R.C.

I only hope that this indeed is the case....This side is showing potential....Losing Mullin has actually forced others to step up to the plate. Grant, Miles, Symes had good games today. Get this Tax problem sorted and maybe this could be another key moment in the club's history....

For that I mean, stave off the threat from the Inland Revenue, push onwards and upwards in League Two, hopefully towards League One,maybe push for the play offs......

Hopefully,beat the Shrews in the J.P.T. game, come out on top against Bury....we might draw Leeds, hopefully in a 2 leg Northern Final and make some money...if we're extremely lucky get to Wembley....who knows???

We might actually get a couple of good draws in the F.A. cup meaning we get to the third round and draw a top dog away....Man U...Liverpool....City....etc,etc...

The preceeding three paragraphs of course,will probably mean absolutely nothing if the club does not come up with £308,000 on 28th October. I doubt that H.M.R.C. will accept part payment, however close to the actual sum the final amount may be.

But there again, as our Chairman has stated and Yonmon continues to remind him....he will not allow the club to fold again.

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OK a few accyweb members knew i was going yes day and yes i did ask a couple what they would ask the DON this was so i had a overview of what other fans were thinking

I ve already posted that i will not repeat any of the convos and i wont but i do believe that ASFC will be alive in NOV 09

i know i wll be slated for not coming back and spilling the beans but for now the beans will remain in the tin

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THANK FOR THE REMINDER CARPON!!...I wasn't going to bother , what with Sabbath Observance and all that....BUT!!..

http://www.welaf.com/vc_gallery/funn...%20a%20bar.jpg

"Marcelle Gioconda, the well known 'Clayton Ender' and 'Trainee Ultra'...takes time off from her crafty Full-time Capstan Full-Strength and an accompanying shot of WKD to smile ...enigmatically ?...upon hearing the news that Accrington Stanley's Joint Chairperson is about to reveal just when, where, and how, he will keep his pledge, made to her and all supporters of the club...."I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".....Her features however don't fully portray her feelings !. Having just watched her beloved 'Reds' simply thrash Cheltenham Town with style..she wonders how anyone would possibly want to deny her and all the other Fans, but most of all John Coleman and his fine squad, the opportunity to carry on being a successful Football League Team !!.

She leaves the ground, clutching her 'free' Meat and Potato Pie to her breast, for a date with her boy-friend, a painter and decorator from Huncoat, one Leo Davinchy..and feels that life isn't so bad after all!!.

'LEST WE FORGET !!!'

ps...(Alfred,E, says 'I bet Carpon'll think twice in future!!!)

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must have been quite cynical before the edit

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Fair enough - but how come they are unable to fill the general public with the confidence which you are now displaying?

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I don't personally care who knows what and if there are secret schemes afoot, but I've spent weeks trying to figure all this out and the only conclusion I can draw is that I'm being played for a fool!!

I'm well aware that you have to be careful what you say on public forums, but none of it makes any sense at all and the more people try to blag their way through it, the clearer it becomes that there are games being played. There is far too much going on 'in the shadows' and there are far too many unanswered questions.

Due to the fact that I'm not even sure who I'm raising the money for, I'm drawing a line under this whole SOS affair. I was looking forward to doing the Rochdale walk and I've actually done a little 'training' for it, but unless things become far more transparent in the next 2 weeks, I'll not be doing it.

My new mantra is: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"

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do it anyway TM.

At best its a massive fundraiser for the club


At worst its a massive show of public support for the team

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I'm just ****ed off at the moment, but I know I'll probably end up doing it as it's a challenge for me. I wonder if I'll still say that when I'm in Rochdale Infirmary? ;) :D

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I'd love to see the length of the queue :rolleyes:

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Also add to that its a bloody good laugh! Talking to different people stopping of in the pubs along the way!

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So if we all ring on Monday morning, presumably we'll all get the same truths. Maybe we should all book 5-minute telephone appointments throughout the morning. To make it easy, the club could have a pre-recorded reply (maybe recorded by Marcelle - she's good with phones) which begins, "Thanks you for your call. The truth is ..... ".

Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public. And Willie knows not only the master plan but even when it will be announced - "towards the end of the week".

I draw two conclusions. Either this is yet more prevarication with the powers-that-be yet again talking up the situation; or certain individuals, by accident or design, do indeed know the truth and have been granted knowledge which is denied to the rest of us.

This whole sordid business will have consequences.

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We had to get some answers before we went to a meeting with the ASSF.... Seemed unfair to just jump onboard with them without speaking to the club. The club were gutted they couldn't release the details of the scheme planned for a final push to the finish line. But they were confident of success both in the tax bill & the future.

There are factions now, & the annoying thing is everybody wants the best for Accrington Stanley. But that was the most heart warming thing.

For the record, JC & Jimmy are confident the club can pull it off. They also added that there are some supporters who like a crisis & from "Eric Out" we now have Eric Out & its "D'On out!"

If you want to speak to Rob or D'On I am sure you can, they even make a good cuppa. Also spoke to Turner, MArtindale, Heap...

Same with the lads lassies in the ASSF. Everyone is geared up to helping Stanley. Its just at the moment, for some reason, all parties cannot agree.....

A shame....

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Ludicrous! Do they actually imagine that there are "supporters" who have enjoyed the last 6 weeks.

Yes, there are those who want changes at the top. But, believe me, it is for much more potent reasons than simply liking a crisis.

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I seem to remember that Ribbentrop was found out to be an incompetent fool when the truth came out, but like you Yonmon, God forbid anyone should think that I would ever compare anyone at Accrington Stanley.... etc, etc.

Revived Red - Ludicrous is the correct word, but yet again it reflects their attitude towards the fanbase and the people doing things to help to save the club. At the moment there are so many factions being encouraged that the comparison between the fan and the mushroom seems apt: Fed **** and kept in the dark.

"I wouldn't pay them in washers", springs to mind. I know what I now believe and it would take an almighty piece of honesty to turn things around.

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Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public.

At no point have i said confidential matters were discussed in public.

I have only said i wont repeat convos that i had with either members of the board or staff.

I do agree that the club could of handled things alot better from a Google Page Ranking point but i cant change what has be done or will be done by the Google Page Ranking dept

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Katei77, this is what you wrote last night:

"We heard many convos between board and staff members"

You did NOT say that you had these conversations (convos??) with members of the board or staff.

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I reckon people are not giving WM enough credit here. He's not daft and he's no one's fool. He's certainly not naive enough to be taken in by bland assurances. I still think the club missed the main chance by rejecting Ilyas's offer, but I am adopting a nervously hopeful stance.

I wonder if I'll be eating my words this time next week? ;)

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To be honest, WH, I don't think it's a matter of not giving Willie Miller enough credit. It's much more the way that things are being done - again.

We are all desperate to believe that what WM has been told is indeed correct and a cause for quiet optimism. At the same time, we look on the history of the last 6 weeks .....

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Either conversations between my self with board or staff members or conversations between staff and board members that we heard will be repeated

Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public.

at no point have i said any confidential matters were discussed

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Sorry, Katei77, but I do not understand the first part of your post.

As for the second sentence, I never said that you DID say that confidential matters were being discussed. I said it was obvious from what you wrote that matters were being discussed which were of a confidential nature. Otherwise you would not have made such a point of telling us that you could not repeat what was said!

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I was not told by anyone at the club not to repeat any convos

I could repeat them but that would not do the club or fans any good at this point in time

Im not going to enter into a war of words we had a great day Hannah loved every minute of it and that is what matters

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I think I like Mr. Willie enough to trust his judgement and I agree totally with his statement that it is a shame that the various groups can’t work together at this stage; because now is the time for that level of action; the potential power of the ASSF ebbed away somewhat with Mr. Khan’s withdrawal and the board are somewhat self assured that they will bring the club through this immediate crises.

I believe at this stage we have no alternative but to trust their judgement and get behind them and the club in order to move everything forward.

Our Willie’s point is quite an important one and the sooner the individual groups pull together the stronger the force for good. Not every member needs to agree every time and at the end of the day the call is the boards or Mr. O’Neil’s which ever way you want to view ownership. But we can have a say and we can influence decisions; but only by working together, trusting and assisting each other to achieve one outcome…..The Advancement of Accrington Stanley.

Best solution is a working party, two or three candidates from each representative group forming a supporter’s panel with the sole aim of advancing the club and ensuring a consent funding stream to ward off such event’s in the future. Other issues could be ground development, Kit design, sponsorship, community liaison….The first key element is trust, and the second is transparency.

Who should be involved?
The Board,
The OSC,
The Stanley Ultras,
The ASSF,
And; possibly individual representatives such as Mr. Khan and local Business.

Statement of Purpose

To coordinate effort - Avoiding duplication.
To Inform – Avoiding mistrust and false information.
To Advance the Accrington Stanley Brand – Not alienate it.

It’s our Choice; if we don’t pull together some groups might possibly become barrier to progress or just disappear altogether from lack of support.

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[QUOTE=Doug;752507
It’s our Choice; if we don’t pull together some groups might possibly become barrier to progress or just disappear altogether from lack of support.[/QUOTE]


]Isn't that a well known Management equation though Doug ..which appears to add some weight to your proposals??.

FACTIONS + DISCORD = FAILURE

COHESION + ACCORD = SUCCESS.

Simplistic I know.......But from evidence observed on many occasions....TRUE nevertheless!!

'ON STANLEY...TO BETTER THINGS !!...ON !!!'

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Can somebody who has recently been converted to the optimistic view of the taxman situation please let the rest of us know what has changed their minds? No compromising detail needed - just a rough idea would do, but based on SOMETHING concrete.

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True....

I like you Sir, I like the cut of ya Jib. :D

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Simple for me....I don't think there's anything we can do now but trust them. :o

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Exactly what ASSF was trying to push before the SOS kicked in.

Mr O'Neil and whoever he chose to bring (the board were invited but only an odd one or two came), were invited to one of our earlier meetings. The upshot of this meeting was that the club were informed
a) that we would not be pursuing our aim of a share issue (this was before the deadline was issued)
b) that we would be seeking to work with the club wherever possible and would help them to promote their various fundraisers - specifically to avoid duplication but secondly to provide more foot soldiers

Numerous ideas were tossed around for the club to think about and come back to us with.

we then had another meeting a couple of weeks later at which the two commercial lads attended. The only idea that was pursued was that we would knock on more doors with the Gold Bond leaflet.

Shortly after this the SOS kicked in an hostilities seemed to have prevailed.

The aim of the ASSF was clear - to put into action a way of filling ASFC coffers with as much money as possible, and without any individuals profiting from such a move.

The club would nominally be valued at a million pounds.

£100k already exists in shares so in effect those shares would be reduced in share value by a factor of 10. This would take The Don (or Eric) to 5.1% instead of 51%. Not surprisingly he wasn't happy about this. But we, as fans aren't concerned with whether one man is happy at a financial deal, we are concerned about what is best for Accrington Stanley.

£900K worth of shares would then be available for all and sundry to buy, with a stipulation that one man could not own more than x% of the total shares. This would avoid the kind of dictatorial attitude that held us back onder Eric, or presently under The Don (depending on your point of view).

ASSF would seek to buy as large a percentage as was allowed. This would ensure that the fans always held as big a share of the club as anyone else. We would then always know the state of the club and its finances and issues like this wouldn't sneak up on us.

It would not be surprising that all the shares are not bought, but that wouldn't be a problem. They would always be there and available should anyone want or need to inject some cash into the club. The OSC could periodically put money into this idea, as could the Ultras, as could HBC or the local scout group - IN FACT EVERYBODY.

This was the best way forward for the club two months ago and it still is now. If all the shares were sold the club would be completely free of debt. The chairman, as elected by the Shareholders or board, could still be O'Neil and could still continue with what plans they have kept closely guarded for the last few weeks.

If the Chairman turned out to be a complete dogs dick he would not be re-elected to the position next year. If the board turned out to be people who would rather the club go under than deal with its fans then they too would find themselves scrap heaped.

Could anyone please tell me why this is not the best way forward for the club?

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Macca - couldnt agree more.
I was hoping to have the ability to purchase shares; not a massive ammount, say 5 grands worth.
I would not expect a monetary return on the investment, just the ability to help steer the club I love into the right direction.

I have no confidence in O'neill. If he manages to find the 200k or whatever is required he will portrait himself as the clubs saviour. But as far as I am concerned, he has a track record of spin over substance.
He has been opportunistic with the fans loyalty to the club utilising the SOS to reduce the proportion of finance he needs to find for the taxman; he does not have the financial clout to bankroll at a yearly loss the club at league 2 level.

The proposals put forward by the ASSF are reasonable and realisitic.
They will help ensure the long term future of the club by providing a continued mass/large group responsibility and decision making as opposed to 1 person.

ASSF - please dont give up your good work!

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It’s the share issue Rob, that’s the stumbling bloc; Mr. O’Neil, the existing share holders and Directors already own the club, as long as there are other funding streams available (including the further debt option) they will never hand over control to what is a small group of fans and what essentially is a single major investor in Mr. Khan; even though the ASSF would hold an equal (forgive me I understand that somewhere it said control) amount of shares it’s main funding source would be Mr. Khan, I say this without any disrespect to anyone involved.

If I was Mr. O’Neil or a Director I wouldn’t do it…However; what I would accept is a major financial investment in return for a Directorship and work from the inside.

I strongly believe that the ASSF, Ultras and OSC are the future of the club, but not at this time, the best any group can hope for is a partnership approach to advance the club. This is only my opinion Rob and its not meant to cause any harm to those who have worked extremely hard over the last few weeks.

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How much does O'Neill/Whalley want for their shares?

further debt at this level of football is avoiding the inevitable.

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Nobody is sure at this moment, but there is much dialogue going on with all parties, to try and put this to bed A.S.A.P. :confused: :)

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Doug, I probably wouldn't have done it neither if I am honest. But anyone with a pair of eyes can see how much we have struggled to raise £100k and it is strongly believed that we owe a total of around 7 times this figure.

It is more than probable that ASFC and O'Neil will survive this month and assume that the hard work is over, wrong IMHO.

The club is still nowhere near being self sufficient and O'Neil is not going to put money in to cover the debts. The accounts just published that showed a deficit of a hundred and odd thousand pounds were for 2007-2008 season. The following season I could see no evidence of having turned that figure around plus we had the unpaid Fraser Eagle money (that would have shown on those figures) in addition to further crowd dwindles. It is more than feasible that the figures for 2008-2009 will be show even further losses. Without Eric putting his hand in his own pocket I cant see who will. So 2009-2010, what has changed to make us think that we will not only make up those losses but can move the club forward whilst servicing the debts?

ASSF would have done this.

However, it is more than clear that this will not now happen so we will have to just fade into the background again and be ready to attempt a bail out if and when we find ourselves in this position again.

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I think your right in that assumption; debt in any from is not the answer; a complete buy out at market value is a solution but you’re only passing ownership/control to someone else that may have the money but not the Soul.

If Mr. Whalley got anything near what he wanted then that what we would need to find; plus the rest we would need to invest in the infrastructure of the club.

The way my minds working is that the ASSF needs a year or two the bed down, its needs to raise other funding streams to compliment that of Mr. Khan and thereafter be independent of one man’s money. It needs a clear framework, long term action plan and a strong constitution.

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Rob, the last thing you should do is fade; Spear head the bloody future; get into bed with whoever you have too and work away in the knowledge that sooner or later, with experience the ASSF is the best supporter’s body to take the Name of Accrington Stanley and advance it as a commercial organisation, Mr. Colman & Mr. Bell will do the rest; in fact there doing it and that alone makes this bloody struggle so worth while.

I was never saying that the ASSF was wrong; it’s just the wrong time.

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Doug, you speak of the ASSF needing a "a clear framework, long term action plan and a strong constitution" in order to be involved with the club. As far as we know, David O'Neill has none of these things; neither has he the finances that the ASSF had, which is what the club are in desperate need of at the moment. Long term plans won't satisfy HMRC.

The club have been saying that the ASSF offer would've just been a quick fix offering no long term solution, which is absolutely ridiculous. It was the only long term solution.

Some expect us to survive by the skin of our teeth come judgment day, whereas I'm pretty much resigned to defeat. I think either O'Neill & Co will come up with some silly offer which will be laughed off by HMRC, or a large amount of debt will be created in the form of directors' loans in order to pay the tax. Davo07 is completely correct in my opinion when he says that David O'Neill has a track record of spin over substance as far as ASFC is concerned.

Both Mr Khan and Mr O'Neill stated that they won't let the club fold. Only one of them backed up their statement with a large cash offer, and he was turned away.

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We still do not know what the 'other' offer was if indeed another offer existed in competition to the ASSF?

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To be honest nowt we can do but see is there? Im sick of worrying about it, sick of all the tripe so far simply the club are going to leave it to the wire as to whether we have a club or not to support, seriously if they dont care why should we do it all?! enough is enough now :(

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I believe very strongly, that there was not any other offer :confused: :)

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DOUG....................... shut up


Dont mean to upset you doug, but you are sounding like a politician with all spin and words...

The ASSF is a good framework, and the plan Macca has outlined above seems very logical.

WE ALL want stanley to survive..... WE ALL want it now.... BUT many of us can see the chance to see Stanley survive now and prosper into the future .

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Good question indeed. BUT 1 major shareholder whoever that is ... is not my ideal solution....

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I almost wholly agree and that’s pretty much my point at this time…

The Tax issue is out of our hands now; there isn’t the time remaining for us to do anything all we can hope for is that Mr. O’Neil isn’t being a Pratt and pays the tax bill on or before court; if he makes an offer for less than the total amount then I agree we’d be ****ed.

But what I am trying to say is now’s the time for all the ASFC supporter groups to come together with the club and get into bed with them, work with them so that we can at least be ready next with a portfolio of funding streams and experience of managing both the ASSF and working partnerships, we would be much stronger and not dependent of anyone man; either in the ASSF or outside of it.

There where many ways in which Mr. Khan could have displayed is contempt of those elements on the board, Mr. O’Neil & Ms. Larsarse included, but he chose withdrawal we as a supporter organisation can’t be left exposed in that way again. Please Note that I have the utmost respect for Mr. Khan, this isn’t a dig.

The Stanley Ultras in a highly relevant committed group whose support behind the goal line is astronomical but it is a almost wholly localised supporter organisation based on physical support of the team in action, it is locally manned with limitations on mass recruitment and management on its own, that said it as provide itself a fantastic fund raising machine as well.

It’s strength and power has a group would be quadrupled working in partnership with other organisations,

It the same argument for the OSC, although we have to keep open a supporters organisation for those who just want to support the club at a basic level but again it’s strength and power has a supporters club would be quadrupled.

The ASSF could be seen as a hub of the supporter groups with international affiliations, i.e. North America, Norway, Asia, and Ireland amongst others. It could well be the basis of a future takeover if and when this crises repeats itself, but unless we as organisations come together and work with the club the outcome will be the same as now……in there hands and there hands alone.

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I think that the ASSF is probably the only idea that could've worked for the long-term future of the club. It worries me a lot that I have seen comments like those from Ms Lazarus regarding doing deals with HMRC. the fact is either the money is paid or the club is gone. Also, if the DON is hoping to raise capital and put it in as Director Loans, I don't think that will solve the long-term issue. At the end of the day, the ASSF offered to wipe the slate clean and start again on a level footing which would over the long-term helped to stabilise the club. The fundamental problem is that the club does not generate enough income to pay all of the bills add to this the fact that the historical debt is still outstanding what is the best way to solve it other than ASSF? I do feel that with the right management team in place the club can be self-sufficient but I don't that will be with the current management team.

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Agreed :)

:) No problem Simon, I'll do just that now, I've said what I wanted to say.

But think on; I can’t meet you lot at the pub or at the ground and have these discussions, none of my mates are near to me to bounce views and ideas off, all I have is a message board. But I’ll leave well alone now.

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At the END of the day we dont know as much as the men at ASFC but 2 men who are reputable business men and have Stanley in there hearts and know more than US have seperated themselves from the current plan..

Huge Statement............

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How many times do they need to try? I don't just mean during the current crisis.

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I thought someone may of picked up on page 19 of the programme

Partnership with the University of Central Lancashire

Accrington Stanley FC are close to announcing a new partnership with academic institute the University of Central Lancashire(UCLan)

The deal is due to be complete over the next couple days which will raise the profile of both parties.

The deal will be mutually beneficial as the club will gain from the knowledge and support of the academic staff and students.

(UCLan)has a pool of high quality students in which ASFC can provide experiential learning for them in such areas as sports journalism,physiotherapy,video analysis and fitness testing.

The partnership aims to develop over the next twelve months with ASFC planning to take on a 3rd year undergraduate to do comprehensive video analysis assisting John and Jimmy.

(this is not the full write up just some points from it )

It would seem strange for a body like UCLan to enter into a partnership unless they are certain that the partnership could be fullfilled by both parties

This is by all means going to be a long running partnership(min 12 months)

You would of thought that a body like UCLan would not risk the education of its students with a company who could well not be trading in a few weeks time

Makes you think doesnt it

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They appointed a student the other day to be responsible for coverage of the reserve and youth teams.

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That is my point why would a body as the UCLan even entertain the idea of going into partnership with ASFC unless there was firm assurances from ASFC(in a legal contract i would of thought)

they have me wondering again

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There is nothing for UCLAN to lose though. They have somewhere to send students on work experience, it costs em nowt.

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Dave the reason for my main onslaught was to reply to Willies post (post 52) which suggested that approaches were made for a unified approach but hadn’t happened.

Its strength in numbers at the end of the day, as individual groups its small numbers and very little voice; unified you have bigger lungs and even if they don’t like it.

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In all honesty doug we have ALL tried no difference before no different now.

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I would of thought it would cost them in terms of profile

losing work experience placements is not a good image nor is entering into any kind partnership with a unstable business good for the image

and i would of thought the extra work to staff within UCLan if placements fell through is something they would rather not have,

but they seem happy with the deal that has be made between both parties.

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Rob that is the best way forward but is it still an option? With DON still there I think not, I was asked today if it was worth donating to the SOS fund and I couldn't give an answer. It still gets me that the two directors haven't been named and I have a horrible feeling that the DONs masterplan is a directors loan raised with future earnings of the club which is where we were months ago.:(

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To me that doesn't fill me with confidence they could of sweetened the uclan deal up certainly if approached by uclan offering free help of course they would take it.

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It can only be good for both parties if it works. Hopefully the students are coming from the local catchment area, presumably UCLAN run some of the courses mentioned at Accrington & Rossendale college?

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As far as im aware the courses are be run through Burnley campus

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Makes sense, get some brains on the job :D

That fits in to place with what I said earlier about the student recruited ;)

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the main stumbling block at the moment after talking to both parties is that ASSF (or Illyas) wants shut of David & Rob Heys. Or they believe that is the case I thnk. Whether this is true I do not know.

I believe, right or wrong, that David & Rob are good guys. They are terrible at Google Page Ranking but will have learned a lot. They will make mistakes like everybody does. Rob would be on the Clayton End if not in the board room.

I believe that all parties are stubborn. All parties are wary. All parties think they are right.

Only COMPROMISE from both sides will result in a really strong ASFC....

A empty room, the main players & a BIG BIG padlock?