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As many of you saw yesterday, there were no banners on the railings & no flags flying from the Ultras section. Many know the reasons, because I bored most fans I know with the tale before the game.

Basically, somebody had decided that flag poles were a safety hazard & therefore could only be waved before the game. Then they had to be handed over to stewards. Obviously some of the flags will get waved after goals etc etc. Some of the youngsters had the poles confiscated even though they were bought in the club shop!

When we refused then the stewards said the would "steam" into the crowd & remove them if we wouldn't comply. Which I thought would be fun tbh :)

But they decided, probably best, to confiscate them before the game. So we took the decision to remove all banners too. To be honest, I nearly went home!!!

The stewards also broke one of the £15 long poles & never even said sorry!

When I consulted Rob Heys, he never knew anything about the new rule.....

Stanley Ultras have spent 5 years decorating the Clayton End in colour & we are proud of our actions. The club won't stop us supporting "our" way & the fans I talked too like the flags & the colour in the Clayton End.

I hope that fan pressure will bring about a change in how the Clayton End is stewarded. We have been all over the country this year & seen better stewarding everywhere......

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Id have to agree mate was an absolute joke.

Does Mick Schultz know about it????

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This is safety gone mad:mad::mad::mad: the banners n flags are part of stanley, stewards are probably doing what they been instructed willie, thats were the main FLAK should go, IMHO.

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A total load of Balls to be frank!!!
This saga is going on now for far too long, it needs sorting out and so do the stewards aswell!! They have no respect for fans, especially the older generation and there power mad and think they can say and do what they want. What happened to cooperation especially with the home fans!!!

What really annoyed me of what you have just said Jay is the kids who have spend their money on a flag from the CLUBSHOP and then had it confiscated because they are waving it , trying to support our team!!! They are putting money into OUR club and being treated , well like...rubbish to be honest!! That really gets on my nerves! Some of them kids thankfully keep coming back but i bet they wont be putting any more money into the club for flags, scarves etc?
Whats going to be next, banning scarves as they might take someone's eye out??

Its getting beyond the joke, we need to do something about this and fast!!


FANS NOT CRIMINALS!!!!!

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Removing flag poles from the fans, wot a joke thats is, muppet stewarding at its best
did'nt even move a bunch of bradford fans, who abused tom lees with a vile taunt, (and we told the stewards what was said), hope we never have any real trouble at the ground (rant over) ta ta

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Don't worry DD.

If there is any trouble in the away end, the stewards will be on the Clayton End telling 8 year olds to sit down!

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The flags and general display by the Ultras are superb, definately the Twelth Man!

When you are actually in the Clayton End itself you don't always see and appreciate what a spectacle it helps to create, after spending a couple of games in hospitality this season I can tell you it does make a difference especially when the two teams take to the pitch to be greeted by a Sea of Red & White.

Please somebody at the Club help sort it out, the Crown will be a poorer place without the injection of colour that this provides for the Supporters & Team Alike.

We are One we are Stanley

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hmmmm its taken this long to decide poles are H&S risk?

were flag poles removed from the away fans does anyone know?

and will the club meet the cost of damaged caused by their staff?

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IF this directive has come from the top of the club then the top of the club (again) dont deserve our support.

Glad the stewards didn't have to 'steam' into the crowd because I would like to be there when they try that one on.

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Never thought our stewarding would stoop to the lows of the crackpot Leeds levels. Game and country has gone completely mad. I'm emigrating again.

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Whilst I totally agree, Willie, that the stewards would rather deal with 8-year-olds on the Clayton End than with away fans, the worst thing about what happened in the case of DD's post is that the group of Bradford fans had somehow got in with the home fans on the Whinney Hill terrrace!! The foul-mouthed abuse of Tom Lees, when he came to take a throw-in, was appalling but, what was worse is that it would appear to him to be coming from home fans!! The stewards were informed about the presence of these yobs on several occasions but chose to take no action, other than "a quiet word". Now, I have no objection in principle to a few Bradford fans getting in the wrong area. Indeed, I feel that segregation at grounds has destroyed much of the friendly banter which used to exist. However, those fans' abuse of Tom Lees yesterday was outrageous, as were the loud shouts, referring to the Clayton Enders as a load of c***s who needed shutting up! Stewards - where were they? No doubt busy confiscating children's flagpoles from the Clayton End! Mick Schultz please take note!

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Well said......

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Yep, their priorities are very very wrong....

The stewards on the home end should be relaxed & polite & should smile once in a while. If one stewards attitude stops fans attending then the club are ****ing in the wind with season ticket deals, advertising, better facilities....

When it comes to the away fans (especially for teams with "reputation") then the stewarding should be firmer. OldGobbin's tale is a sad one & reminds me of York years ago when the stewards just gave up & stood pitchside....

Like we have said, much easier concentrating on 8 year olds who are stood up then grown men acting like hooligans

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There are rules from FA, FL, LCC or the boys in blue that we'll have to put up with now that we're in the Football League. Most won't have a problem with these as we know things will change as success comes. But there's a way to do things, a way to treat fans - nay, a way to treat people - that doesn't make them feel like criminals. Unfortunately the stewards mentioned in the opening post obviously lack any modicum of sense/decency. This is just one of a few recent incidents that leaves a sour taste in the mouth and a sad reflection upin the club itself. The fans will do their best keep to the rules, it's just a lot easier to do so when they aren't being alienated by the actions of representatives of the club they've come to cheer on.

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the bradford fans were in the home end, near the coppice fence

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Interesting, that, DD, as the ones I'm referring to were certainly on the end of the Whinney Hill Terrace. Could we be talking about two separate sets of Bradford fans abusing Stanley players from home fans' areas - and with stewards failing to take action in either case? It just goes from bad to worse!

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it aint just the young uns wi flags etc, about 1 month ago a mate who has to use a stick to walk at the moment was refused acess to were we stand by using the back passage of the clayton end, this was at the start of the game, so he was unable to join us until half time as he could not get through the crowd. a complaint was made about this afterwards, about these knobheads, seems like nothings changed.:mad:

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Thats right, a lad in his sixties (I think) home & away regular from way before my time has said he will give up if it carries on.

"Move" was shouted at him as he talked to a mate he had spotted as he walked along the back walkway.... Oooh the crime eh?

They know about it, but want to change individuals. Yet it is the mentality they need to change

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To be fair I think (re: away fans in home fans) yesterday was an exception.

They where all over the ground.

Which wasnt a surprise

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Bout the only poster who has got it right Cashy. Stewards are puppets of their masters and only do what they are told to do. They are human too and perhaps don't particularly like doing what they are told because they know they will get stick on this forum from disgruntled fans. I believe the gripe should be taken to the Chief Steward or Safety Officer. Trust me when I say it is no joke being steward, having done the job in the Premiership at OT, try asking 500 or so fans to sit down or the council will shut that particular block to fans. Also done it at DW stadium here in Wigan and at Accy and believe me when I say it is a thankless task, hence the reason I resigned from being a steward to watch the Stanley instead of taking abuse from both home and away fans. Stewards will never be right.
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I understand OO

But this season (bar Leeds) we have been stewarded away from home with common sense. Nowhere in the rules does it say you can't smile or talk to fans like grown ups....

Its the attitude that stinks, and I could go further on the subject as I witnessed some disgusting antics from one in particular yesterday!

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name and shame!

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My girlf spoke to his supervisor at the time, it has no place on here for all the world to see......

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bradford fans in all ends .... i ask if they would move bradford out no there ok there ...

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Don't know whats changed outback, but fer some reason this seasons produced some real ******* on clayton end that at least i can say with confidence, i can honestly envisage one of these getting snotted before the seasons end, cos of the way they deal wi people, then it will be called "Hooliganism" in the press no doubt.:rolleyes:

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Unfortunately yesterday was always on the cards with Bradford fans possibly being scattered about by not making it all Ticket for the Bradford fans

They have always brought big numbers to the Crown Ground, It dosn't take Einstein to work it out

I suppose the Club would want to get as many through the turnstiles as possible but a little forward planning may have helped

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Agreed Pendle.

Good for the club in terms of ££££ through the door, but surely the magnitude of the game, plus the fact Peter Taylor was appointed should have made it all ticket in my opinion.

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There were some bradford lot in main stand top end too, whats the point of segregation ??? I think there needs to be a meeting between aggreived fans and steward officials to sort out this issue once and for all. One of many reasons i moved to main stand its less aggro. There are many young stewards now on, think they are boss. All stewards have a hi viz bib which have numbers on the vest on the front right hand side of vest numbers from 01 - 50. These numbers should be assigned to a specific steward ( if done properly ) please note the number and report to chief steward or mick, thats what the new hi viz vests are for, also for micks purpose too.
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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ate-51844.html

couple of posts in there spotted it

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Flags so i have been told have to be fire retarded and stamped as so before u can bring flags in. Now 2 points here, are the ones sold in clubshop stamped with fire retarded material and 2 what about away end flags are they policed same way as home end, cos bradford has some dangling over boardings.
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The ground is non smoking now though

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Probably not but I'll make sure I check all my clothing before the next home game

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Out of touch yesterday, delighted with the result and came home keen to read the board and share in the joy .... and found this thread and the one about the crest. Talk about down to earth with a bump :(:(:(

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Having listened to the conversation between Jase and the stewards and having talked to them myself it was apparent that the stewards were only following orders regarding the 'removal' of flag poles. And although i'm in agreement that on many occasions this season the stewards have been 'over the top' in their approach I would also suggest that they may have been following orders/guidelines on many of these occasions also.
Either the stewards are doing their own thing and if so should be brought into line or the instruction from MS is either inappropriate for the circumstances or lost in translation. Whatever the scenario surely its up to the club to address the situation quickly in order to avoid losing punters that it can ill afford to lose. Ilyas calls it transparacy, in Saturday's case I believe the word is communication! If the club had had the forsight to discuss their concerns regarding flagpoles (prior to the match) directly with one of their most loyal supporters i'm sure a positive solution for all would have been found, it may have also assisted in building relations with the stewards.

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i agree alfie but following orders is one thing, behaving like the gestapo is another.

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Isn't it time for a "transparent" statement from Mick Schultz? At the moment, the stewards seem to be hiding behind him, whilst he, in turn, is hiding behind them! SOMEBODY knows what's going on and, he is the guy in charge, so I would request that he make a statement, either on here or on the fishy site, to tell fans where he stands and what the official policy is, whether it be flagpoles or foul-mouthed abusers in areas of the ground where they ought not to be. I, for one, am not completely convinced by him, but I am perfectly willing to listen to his point of view. Time to come out of hiding, I think, Mick.

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Posted via Mobile Device the stewards arent daft and want to show who is boss. Possibly little man syndrome?

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Not flag related but I took Siobhan on the Morecambe game, here first ever time at a match. Now its been a while since I was last able to go and foolish/sheepidly we went in the main stand when I wanted to take her in with the Ultras for the full experience...

went to move through to behind the goal and was told " No, you can't come through", "'Elf and safety mate", so when a dozen or so people went through I asked why they are allowed, " Junior team mate and girlfriends", so whats different in "elf and Safety with them being allowed through and not us I ask? "

"Its so we don't get too many in the stand!"

err... it was 2/3rd full at best and he still had no idea of how many 'extra' he'd let through... would he let us through? no way...

someone gave the man an ounce of power and it clearly went to his head.

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Will you be taking her again or did the idiot in question put you off?

It looks like the stewards (the club in effect) need reminding they are a little team from a little town and without supporters they are nothing.

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Off the field the support is growing for the reds and the ultras have certainly helped in the climb up the table. The Clayton end is awash with colour, loud with song and bursting with pride. However there are one or two cracks appearing in the relationship between the stewards and the crowd. I call for a public meeting in the club house with Mick Shultz, the police, Lancashire county council, all fans groups who stand/sit on the Clayton end, and all other parties who have jurisdiction over the match day running of the stand. Yes all sides need to co-operate to make the ground safe as well as happy, but I will not have the old cliché that rules are rules trotted out again as a cover for lack of open dialogue. We have visited grounds all across the land and up and down the leagues and the one thing we can report back is that there is no constancy with how the rules are interpreted. Maybe if the police and LCC talk directly to the rate payers who use the stand then we can reach some agreement. One thing is for sure things cannot go on as they are and open talks can only be a good thing for the club. Perhaps we need to speed up the share issue that was talked about in the last share holders meeting this would allow all fans to buy shares for a reasonable amount and then attend, vote and veto plans in the proposed future shareholders meetings, just a thought!.

MICK (SHULTZ) you have asked us for help many times and we always come through now its your turn.

Loweiy

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Absolute disgrace. From an outside point of view when you hear the words "Accrington Stanley" straight away you think "Stanley Ultras" "flags" "scarves" "mental" "passionate"... I'm very upset if this is the case and you guys lose your flags.

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I will take her again although she also wants to 'try' Rovers ( her auntie has promised to take here there.... )

he was a prat and needs telling to apply some common sensea nd if he's lacking in that he shoudl ask someone who does have some. :D

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Well said lowey.

Meeting is certainly needed

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well know fer fact "Mick" reads the forum, so how about it Mick?

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Hate to post this guys. However a couple of lads who I see myself in hi-vis at Stanley. I know for a fact are under 18. Which im sure is against some law. So your right about there being young ones.

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this is an absolute outrage.They, whoever THEY are be, it stewards or higher need to take a long hard look at themselves and realise that we, as paying supporters are keeping them in a job. It is 1 of the finest sights in football seeing the clayton end in all its glory and to take that away would be like ripping the heart out of every supporter who stands there week in week out cheering the lads on.
At the end of the day this drastic action has been taken without any person being injured or as far as i can tell even complaining.

Taking the flags away is taking away our identity.Something needs to be done and quick

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Create a flag saying: "stanley ultras flying the flag since 2005"? Bit petty but it gets the message across...

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*Cough* 2004

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There is least one thing no one can take from ya is the chants/songs :)
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Sounds like the Bradford fans weren't too keen on our stewards or general organistion either.

Taken from the Bradford forum:

"A damn shame considering the level of support we take away from home, the ticketing etc was pathetic today, plenty paid an extra £2 for a seat to be told there weren't any left. We were told that our fans could not stand behind the 2 rows of seats due to health and safety but that just meant everyone stood in the gangways with another 200 still waiting at the turnstiles. This was so predictable and Accrington should have known this and either opened part of another stand, refused entry or made the game all ticket earlier. I'm not exaggerating when I say events like this on a bigger scale lead to tragedies like Hillsborough, the stewards were refusing people in the stand with the seats yet fans were saying the police had sent them there. No one seemed to be taking responsibility for it and they were clueless"

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I would be very interested to see what the Stanley management have to say about this ?The club needs more fans, not less .

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where has my post gone

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Just need to point out while everyone is annoyed is we keep calm & think on posts, language & any threats or those sort of ideas will be taken away from thread, as will make matters worse & the point lost.

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See post 53.

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That is not good reading and another Google Page Ranking disaster for the Club, in it's context it is a very serious matter.

Somebody needs to start taking ownership of what is going on around the Club at this moment in time and soon, everybody should be on the crest of the wave with our League position but things are slowly starting to come apart at the seams.

Everybody just wants what is best to take the Club forward please listen and don't alienate yourselves from the people who care the most:)

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Good point, its very strange after nearly 3 seasons in L2, suddenly now theres no flags allowed:confused::confused:

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My understanding on this is that the club(Accrington Stanley) are advised by the police to how many away fans are exspected!on saturday i am lead to believe the club was told that a max of 800 Bradford fans would be in attendance at the game ,this figure was then revised to 1400 tops.the away end including the whinneyhill seat's hold a max of 1300 away fans.But as we all no now this figure was way under estimated and so once the away end is full then what?? seating was hastily made available in the main stand aprox 100 seats,plus the other half of the whinney hill.and some got in to the clayton end.what im saying is that the club are told how many fans to exspect on the day and the club plan accordingly..hope this helps:)

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Yeouch, not good at all, the club should of made it all ticket & sent the tickets to bradford, as quite clearly could of been more disasterous than it was. There was a long queue before game for the away end. Again highlights lack of fore sight - especially as game had been hyped up re most wanted coley stuff. Last thing on earth we want is another hillsborough!

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How can you be told how many to expect?

It's a public event it may have been two it may have been 3002

It was not all ticket, Bradford always travel in numbers, look back at our past attendances against the Bantams

Not having ago at you Mab here just common sense should tell you what to expect

The other thing is the maths just do not add up

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Bradford always fill (or almost) our away end, it was odds on that they would do so again - especially with a new, high profile manager

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Everyone write a letter to the club, chairman and manager about the flags.. We had somethign similar with our drum and Fenty (chairman) being as passionate as he is about GTFC overruled the 'safety officer' and sorted us out :)

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The silence from the club on this issue is deafening.
I'll be thinking hard about renewing my season ticket for next year if the stewards succeed in turning the Clayton End into the reference room at Accie Library.
It was the hooligan element that drove me away from football in the sixties and seventies, and it would be a rather sick joke if it returned, only for the bullies to be the ones wearing fluorescent vests.
Get a grip of the petty fascists and jobsworths before they strangle the life out of the club. The life being the fans with all their mad, but good-natured exuberance.
Aren't these stewards employed and paid for by the club, and doesn't the club make it clear how it wants them to treat its customers?

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I spoke to Mick Shultz this morning and he is up for the idea of an open meeting, we need to use such a meeting to find a way foward. both sides just saying the other is wrong does not help solve the problems.

For my part we need to move the seats from the middle section of the clayton end and introduce walkways down the stand so we can remove the back walkway. This would ease the problem of the younger fans standing on the seats and stop the crush during goal celebrations. don't get me wrong if you want the crush it will still be there but for those who get caught up in it there will be an escape route!

Stephen

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ill do it in the close season ... two weeks only need get all sum on job

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Well it's up to HIM to call it well before the next home match. PDQ, in fact.:confused:

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Afetr consultation with Chairman, Chief Exec & Safety Man

1) Flags need fire proofing (Club will do it if we can't, but we like self sufficiency!)
2) Flags aren't banned & can be flown if we like anywhere , even the 18 way line if we so wish.

Stewarding is a bigger fish to fry for the club & something for all parties to discuss in the coming weeks & months.

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:confused:The thread seems to have wandered off from FLAGS to Stewards and to Bradford "fans". To come back to the flags and the fine spectacle of the banners but also relating this to Stewards, those who went away to Shrewsbury will recall the excellent and sensible stewarding of Stanley support in the away end.:):) They duly marshalled us into our allocated area, stood sensibly by, keeping a watchful eye on us.:) Then they watched in admiration and amazement at the quality of our support!!:mosher: Banners out, flag waving and singing hearts out for over ninety minutes SOLIDLY.:theband: Mutual respect was exchanged between Stanley supporters and Shrewsbury stewards who remarked that we were the best supporters that they had ever seen and heard!!!:thankya::thankya::thankya:
I have watched and supported Stanley for years now and since Conference days I and my daughter have joind the Ultras in the Clayton end. It is an experience not to miss out on and I simply cannot believe that the club can risk alienating these wonderful supporters who have been behind Stanley through good times and tough times. :Banane48:The club must meet with all interested parties, as Lowie suggests, in order to sort this stewarding problem out. We all know that the stewarding priority for all supporters is our safety but the stewarding policies need to be sensible. Time for mick Schultz to get together with the supporters and police and stewards asap. :drunk::hehetable:psmile::punsure:

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well thats a good start jase,Flags n Banners are "Who" Stanley Ultras are n look magnificent. though theres more to it i know, but should not take "Months" to get these clowns to be civil wi folk.:confused:

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That's a good sensible move by everybody involved:)

Was Ilyas involved or was it our MD?

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Our MD, Rob & Mick......

I just expressed the need to get stewards talking to fans like they "humans". A smile or two wouldn't go a miss! After all, some fans have spent the best part of 20 years on that terrace

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Cheers for clarifying that:)

It certainly wouldn't do any harm

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Some have even tried to sleep there :D

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Feels like 50 at times. ;)

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Maybe this is where the Re-Branding could really come into it's own with "Happy to Help" Badges & a "Have a Nice Day" as you leave the Stadium?

Sorry for making light of the situation hopefully some sort of open dialogue has got to be good for everyone

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Have a nice day??!! What do you think it is? Macdonalds, Coney Island? A simple "'ow do, cock" will suffice! ;)

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I am glad the Stanley management have seen sense... Now why can't the Stanley management have got in touch with the Stanley Ultras to ask them to make them " fire resistant " ? Instead of getting their Minions To do it for them ???

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fire resistant flags

pathetic.

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Don't knock it! I love to be kept healthy, safe and free from the risk of fire. One of these days a fan will spontaneously combust on the Clayton End, then we'll appreciate what the stewards are doing! Be afraid! Be very afraid!!

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Thanks, Dav, for reminding people of the sheer stupidity of our nanny state society, which is at the heart of the debate on this thread.

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I can think of 96 reasons why we need these safe guards in place at football matches.

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dont think that tragedy holds up wi this,that was in the day when stands were old n wooden, don't know of any now.:confused: concrete n metal.

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good to see some progress has been made

Loweiy

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I was referring more to why heath and safety at football matches is so important.

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then why quote 96 reasons?:confused:

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Because that tragedy is a perfect example of why we need rules. I know its unlikely but imagine the panic and injuries if some of those big flags did catch fire.

Its great that all that is needed to be done is have them fire proofed - end of problem :D

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We'd all better get our jackets and shirts fire-proofed, just to be on the safe side.:rolleyes:

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Well it appears simple to me, fire proof them or don't take them.
Unless the club changes its mind.

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HAHA

Neil - get all your clothes fire proofed. I love you health and safety types.

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he he

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...d-dsc00099.jpgAnyone remember this photo?? this was taken at the ACCRINGTON S V ALDERSHOT T game on Tue 26th Jan a similer thing happend on the 23rd jan at the fa cup match against fulham! and what would this have to do with fire resistant flags??? and what's significant about it..anyone

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having a child who was burnt and nearly lost limbs because of it

i fully support making sure the clayton end is never to blame for anyone getting burnt while cheering the team on

god forbid it ever happened everyone would be asking why the flags were not treated in the 1st place

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:confused: :confused: :confused: :)

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As you can see from the photo the smoke is from a smoke bomb which was set off behind the clayton end..so what some might say well this one mindless act has proberley changed things on the way things are stewarted at stanley couple that to what happend to WM's flags..aldershot and the fa cup game LCC/FLA inspecters were in attendance at both games inspecting.

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I say ban on everything, from scarf waving to taking your tops off!! These terrace needs sorting out, jesus!!!!!!!

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Now your taking the Pee :(Thing is fc everyone seems to be blaming the club and health and safty over this!!! Why not look closser to home and blame the D--khead who thought it would be good to set off a smoke bomb in the clayton end,He/she is the one that wants sorting:)

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Smoke is cool.....:)

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... if there's smoke without fire!

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i cant wait till no one cares and your free to govern yourself

How do you fire proof a flag? Make it out of asbestos fibre?

100% over the top.

Anyone got any fake 'this item has been fire proofed and meets accrington stanleys draconian rules' stickers?

I have no motivation to make any more banners.

Re: Ultras & Flag Poles
 

Doubt if anyone wi chest problems would say that jase.

Re: Ultras & Flag Poles
 

Your right i was taking the pee, but it was one of them days!

I can understand perfectly well where your coming from but this smoke is HARMLESS!!! The smoke is WITHOUT FIRE and alls it does is create an atmosphere and looks quite good! The smoke that was used was let off in the middle of the the ultras who all think its good and agree with it. It was away from the family stand etc.

Saying this, i have no idea who did it and let it off :rolleyes:

As for getting the flags fire proofed, i can understand but its very rare anything would happen but if the club wish to do it for the fans then i dont see the big deal.