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BBC Sport - Football - Football League clubs adopt 'home-grown' rule

So does this mean we are are going to have another transfer embargo. (the bit about not publishing our accounts on time)

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If clubs get an embargo for not publishing accounts on time, we could well be under a permanent one :(

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We'd never be out of the embargo trap, are they doing this to encourage clubs to submit their accounts on time ?
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Beats me??? but its summat i agree with,theres no excuse fer not submitting on time, fer any club thats run correctly, i reckon. only downside is fans n players will suffer fer incompetancy.

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It's seems strange doesn't it that fans and players are let down by owners, it would seem they love their clubs more than the people that actually own them. Makes you wonder why they do own a club, is it just a power thing ?

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Power and ego trip I reckon!

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Think we do anyway :rolleyes:

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I know but am too diplomatic to say it.:D

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WHAT?.....................(uk chokes on his coffee!!) :D :tongueout :D

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Not a problem with the FL telling clubs to get their financial matters,but they really are a bunch of hypocrites. As lower league football suffers financially the AGM that decided the new rules was held in Malta. Why didn't they save the money, hold it here and pass the money down through the system :mad:

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MTA is the short answer:

The Football League | News | Latest News | Latest News | MALTA PARTNERSHIP ANNOUNCED

Very nice resort as well

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Hmmm...I wonder how many Maltese ex-employees of Fraser Eagle may be involved with this enterprise?

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Our accounts for the year ended 31st May 2009 should have been lodged at Companies House by 28th February 2010 but have still not been lodged.

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according to RH in todays Observer it's because of a summat to do with opening balances adn should be sorted soon. The embargo won't bother us at all

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Do u believe that macca lol think jeff is closer to the mark.
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Perhaps even "tomorrow"? :rolleyes:

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I don't think so. Probably be "early next week"

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I don't know if anyone else has heard this but I was told last night that we have been placed under another transfer embargo, something to do with our books not being submitted on time.

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so wheres yer source?:confused::

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Can't see that being right, otherwise they would be looking to join a 5-a-side league in August :)

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Accrington Stanley and AFC Bournemouth are the only two Football League clubs whose accounts are overdue at Companies House

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Yes, but we'll be submitting ours "early next week." :rolleyes:

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Sorry, I forgot about that. So after next week there will only be Bournemouth who haven't submitted.

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Jeff, they've got a new one now!..."the next couple of weeks" :rolleyes:

Accrington Stanley hit by transfer embargo (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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Nothings changed then, same old poor running of the club:(

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At least we now know when it is going to be cleared up, instead of the usual "next couple of days" or "next week". It should be all OK by 7th July then.

The accounts which have not been filed are for the financial year ended 31st May 2009, which is over a year ago. These accountants that have been "working on them" must be very good.

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Yep, they must be...a lot better than that typist who's been typing up Coley's and Jimmy's contracts for the last couple of months.

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They will probably be ready in the "next couple of weeks"

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It's ok, no need to panic, Rob says in that article that it's 'not a problem at the moment' - then again a couple of days ago he was quoted as saying that the new rules regarding submitting accounts on time would not affect us - here we go again!

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It probably won't affect us. I don't think the transfer window oficially opens until 1st July for registering players and everything will be sorted out by then. Just ask O'Neill or Heys, they will confirm this.

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Of course, silly me :rolleyes: - I should have thought of that

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time for sum people to lev the club late with players money again .. not good at all why would any players want to play for use..... clean your desks now and go if you have stanley to hart come back as paying fans........

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They have proved once again to me, they couldn't organise a Jump in a brothel. this leaves coley in the crap, more bad publicity, n trying to sell the club to new faces, makes a hard job even harder.:mad: also what chance is there of attracting new fans? Why should we believe 1 word that they utter? Proven liars n a disgrace to the name "Accrington Stanley" IMHO:mad:

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Couldent agree more mate.

They are a disgrace and should hang their heads in shame

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I just hope this aint the straw that breaks the camels back wi out management duo.:eek:

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I don't want to understand why accounts are an incredible 4 months overdue - if I'd missed an important deadline in my job, I'd be 'down the road' before my feet touched. Latest utterings promise another 2 weeks max - should local rag be suggesting that those responsible fall on their sword if not filed before 8th July ? Thought we used competant professionals these days !

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Where ever did ya get that idea? those 2 competants left us near extinction last year, but fer the Magnificent I.K. n P.M. we would have been, what ever gives ya the idea they are now competant?:rolleyes:

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DON and RH out !

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No, no Cashy - what I meant was I understood a professional accountancy firm now did the books, not the 'will be done shortly' duo. Will PM or IK put some pressure on please ?

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Once again I read that we are under an embargo. Yes we can sign players, but if they aint registered, we cannot play them. Otherwise if we did, we would be looking at a hefty fine and points deductions for fielding unregistered players.

My patience has worn out with this duo, surely the books are looked after by accountants, why were they not submitted on time? And if they were out in 2009, why were they out? Time for fresh faces. IK and PM I trust, these two jokers not at all.

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thats news to me.:confused: can't see any pressure being brought , as I.K. has now stepped back. :eek: even if that were the case n they had, know very little about accountancy, but surely ya can only submit accounts if ya got ALL the info?

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From what I believe the accounts are being looked into by Pierce Accountants in Blackburn, I would've thought that Pierce are fully aware of the deadlines and the implications of not having the account in to the deadline. I would think that there must be something major which is causing the delay, in particular probably trying to actually go through every transaction to make sure that it is all accounted for so they have closing balances to submit the accounts with. This is just an educated guess as I work in accounts myself!

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Cheers mate, so my simplistic deduction, that the accountants aint got all the info, could be well near the mark?

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If the players haven't been paid on time again then serious questions need to be asked about whether DON and Rob are the right people in charge. In reality they should have both gone last year for their constant lies and false hope. It just makes me wonder if the Bobby Grant deal has been done to help short-term cashflow rather give it to JC. It certainly would not surprise me if it is true, as for the embargo what can you say that hasnt already been said about the mismanagement by the management team?! If I was Ilyas I would convert the debt owing to him into equity and become the majority shareholder to then help sort this mess out. DON has been given enough time to put his stamp on the club and the only place he is taking us is down.

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I think you may be close yes, it will be probably that they are working with incomplete records and are trying to follow the trail as far as they can to draw up a set of accounts.

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don time .open door and go i smel to much bull sh..

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If I understand it correctly, the missing accounts are for the year before Messrs Khan-Marsden et al had to intervene to save the club. And Pierce & Co were brought following that intervention to look into the previous financial 'arrangements' at the club.
Presumably the accountants have not yet been able to put together an acceptable, independent 'account' of what was going on at Stanley in the year leading up to last autumn's debacle.
The only hope around this latest shambles is that, at long last, it provides Messrs Khan and Marsden with some hard evidence of the financial irregularities that have plagued the club during the previous ten or so years, and nearly killed it less than twelve months ago.
If it does, let's hope they can act on the evidence and bring some honesty and integrity to the running of the club.

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I have only ever spoken to Mr Khan once, and that was when I rang him to discuss a revenue stream that our present day Commercial Dept had let lapse. I found him to be very open and his comments regarding the MD & CEO were to say the least not very complementary. The next thing is that they are still here and continuing to drag the clubs reutation down again.
Get someone in who knows the business, someone who will get off their Arses and raise both the profile of the club and money to make us self sufficient. Automated ( maybe not the right word) ticketing we dont need, other commercial activities such as the Store, Weekly Draw etc will bring in money 12 months a year. First priority should be getting the existing Manager tied down on a deal, Imagine this. "Hi I am the Manager of ASFC would you like to sign for us for the coming season" Player " thanks what are your plans and ambitions" JC " Not sure I may nort be there" Come on get it sorted.

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Yawn! All this negativity towards the way the club is being run is getting a little tedious to be honest....too many people are quick to blame David and Rob for the way things are being run, yet I don't see anyone looking at the way Eric Whalley ran the club...remember him? - the man who jumped ship and left us to it as soon as the tax problem reared it's ugly head leaving other people to clear up a mess that HE created!!

Yes David and Rob are in charge of the day to day running of the club, but it's hard to do that when the ball is constantly being moved from under your feet, for example the LEGi money. When it became clear that the money would not be recieved as expected then lots of juggling around will have taken place and sacrifices will have been made in order for other pressing things to be paid for - the pitch and improvement work to the ground being top of the list. And it was Ilyas (and not certain others) who told the council that the funding was no longer needed, but to the best of my knowledge has hasn't come forward with any replacement funds. Perhaps he can clairfy things? He's been a bit quiet on here lately......

My point is that everyone is in the same boat. We aren't the only football club that are having a rough time of things recently. I just appeal for a bit of calm and stop playing the blame game as it isn't getting anyone anywhere. The season will be starting in six weeks time and the FA will start paying out parachute payments again, and we will have money coming in. It's hard to keep paying out all the time when you haven't got anything coming in.

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prats like you are tedious, its not hard at all to be straight wi people n not decieve, thats what brasses people off, but some are too dense to see that.:(

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Why isnt oneil trying to explain & keeping transparency then? Oneil says he wont invest further in the club & eric well dont get me started! I understand its eric original mess THAT oneil CHOSEN to take over, so unfortunately has chosen the rough with the smooth and as he's in charge & owt goes wrong he will be blamed - nature of the job im afraid!

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We were told at the Fans Forum that the LEGI money was already in place but we hadn't even applied for it. There was no way that we were going to get any LEGI money the state that the Club was in. We were told at the Fans Forum that we would have a ground sponsor and that offers were on the table and it was just a case of deciding on the right offer for the sponsorship. Are we still deciding on the right offer for the sponsorship ? I guess that we will decide "early next week" or "in the next couple of weeks". What have parachute payments got to do with us - have we been relegated ? We know that Whalley left the Club in a mess but Heys was the CEO at the time and is still the CEO. What about the new transparency at the Club. We are told that we have received a "six figure sum" for Bobby Grant. How much is that "six figure sum" ? We know that it could rise to £260,000 with add-ons. What are the conditions of the add-ons ? How much is the sell on clause ? It has been stated that one of the add on clauses is that we get more money if Scunthorpe get promoted to the Premiership. What is the point of that add on clause, there is no chance that they will be promoted, more chance of relegation. The only updates and pictures of the pitch improvements are on this forum. How long does it take to upload a photo onto the fishy site to keep fans up to date ? People at the Club are obviously too busy preparing things for "early next week".

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Perhaps that might have something to do with the fact that he's actually stepped down from his position now. As for his "quietness" it's nothing compared to the resounding silence from Mr O'Neill. :rolleyes:

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Why would "lots of juggling around" have to have taken place and "sacrifices have been made" ? The LEGI money was to re-develop the Coppice end, nothing to do with the pitch improvement work. 'Sameoldstory' I note that this is your first post - are you Heys and O'Neill in disguise ? If you are then you have adopted an apt name as all we get from Heys and O'Neill is the "same old story"

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My concern is for the future of the club. Erics money got us into the Football League make no mistake about that. Illyas & Peter Marsden + 1000@ of others kept us in the League. We are now employing more people who's job it is to raise sufficient funds to keep us there. A simple business question to be asked by the management is are they covering their cost I doubt it. I also think that there are things that should remain inside of the club and not in the public domain ie Grants fee.

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We were promised transparency. Why should the amount of Grant's fee remain inside the club and not in the public domain. We want to know if we have got a good deal or have we been sold down the river. We all did our best with our donations to keep Heys and O'Neill in a job and now we need to know if they are doing their best in return or settling for second best just to get a bit of money in the bank.

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[quote=sameoldstory;824261]Yawn! All this negativity towards the way the club is being run is getting a little tedious to be honest...

I accept what you say about the mess inherited from the cardboard millionaire, but a company that isn't able to file its accounts suggests it's still being run badly.

As for Grant's fee, one source suggests it's half the touted sum.
Accrington Stanley - Six figure fee and unrealistic clauses for Grant
But I suspect your right, Jeff, that whatever was offered has been accepted in some desperation to get some money into the club's coffers.

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In my opinion "Same Old Story" anyone attempting to defend the indefensible,is either completly stupid,or in cohoots wi the terrible 2, which are you?:rolleyes:

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Don't think you will get an answer Cashy. Sameoldstory just joined today and has had that one post. Will probably just crawl back under the stone he came from after trying to defend Heys and O'Neill. As I said before it's probably Heys or O'Neill, more likely to be Heys as O'Neill never has anything to say.

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He's saving it for 'next week'.

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Sorry, forgot about that.

On another note, the fans who bought the £250 share package do not own the shares that they bought as they still have not been registered at Companies House, but don't worry they will be registered "in the next couple of weeks"

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Well if thats the case its a great demonstration of how useless n stupid they are, as more dirty washing surfaces.:rolleyes::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Sure as hell glad that uncertainty at work stopped me from buying one.

Perhaps, the mysterious "Same Old Story" would like to defend that one? :mad:

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If as you say that accy stanley has no money .. why have they just taken a Commercial Executive and a Strategic Community Manager and upgraded the marketing manager to Commercial Manager ... whos paying their wages .. this is according to the Accrington Observer on page 39.

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maybe cos the shares aint been registered.:eek:

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I'm not certain but I think the SCM isn't paid by the club, it's a different funding issue, or at least the money he spends is.

The other 2 are really no different to last season, effectively one has left so one has been promoted and the other has been brought in using the money from the one that left.

Disclaimer, I'm guessing on the finances of it all, I do not represent the club :D

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sos 1st post are u the don ? or is right and man .... the door pls ew too

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just got this from the don will und do in 100 week .... = im killing stanley off . im a barrow fan

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Straying a little from the original topic, but BBC Sport Football is worth a look at DIV 2

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Well, I guess a bit of balance is nice, sameoldstory, but it seems you're in the minority here. The problem is that not a lot of information is coming from the club or from those who are supposed to be running it. What information does come through may not always be quite as accurate as we'd like (think that covers you legally, mods).

The redeeming feature about the club was that it had been saved and seemed to have a future, but until we get some indication as to what that future may be (and whose future it will be), support for the new regeime will be as scarce as funds were.

Clearly Ilyas is still linked to the club emotionally if not with a formal role and is liaising with the mismanaging director and the CEO. Presumably the silence in terms if support speaks volumes. I guess he can't back the owner until we know who that is.

Perhaps sameoldstory can enlighten us as to what exactly the bosses/he has planned?

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Regularly read here and know a few lads at Stanley - the SCM runs the football in the community team and they are self funding

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Did anyone hear the interview with Rob Heys on Radio Lancs this morning? He said that he couldn't thank Ilyas enough for all he has done for the club, that the club is now stable & is confident that they will break even next season so any money from cup runs or transfer fees would be a bonus. He also said that the best way they can thank Ilyas is by showing him that the club can now stand on it's own two feet.
See, nothing to worry about :)

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Like every genuine Stanley fan, I sincerely hope he's right.

Time will tell.

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So is that the official statement that Ilyas has stepped down ?

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Well that would have to be a cup run i suspect, theres no-one left to sell at this point.:rofl38::rofl38::rolleyes:

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No that is Rob Heys thanking, sorry grovelling, to Ilyas in the hope he steps down!

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Sorry but i find it very difficult to believe anything that comes from any of those two.:rolleyes:

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Maybe if there is a Board Meeting to take place this week things maybe resolved on a few fronts?

It is difficult not to become frustrated with the lack of information & tranparency around the place at the moment on certain matters and on that I would urge the Board & Club alike to be bold and comunicate with the fans on a more regular basis than we are currently seeing at the moment.

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Wouldn't hold your breath, Google Page Ranking. Stanley are to transparency what England are to football. :rolleyes:

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Nobody believes a word that fool or DON says anyway.

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Never said I believe it Cashy - just thought I'd post it for anyone who missed it - as Wynonie says it would be good if it's true but only time will tell.:idea:

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never thought ya did, was responding to the post above mine, not you.:tongueout

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If anybody wants a laugh have a read of the link below, its just laughable the comments that Rob Heys comes out with. My favourite is the one about being able to fill in the paperwork for players and not being able to play for us!

BBC Sport - Football - Accrington Stanley set for John Coleman talks

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"It's very important we resolve the issue when he returns to work on Monday morning." thats even funnier.:D

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At least if Rob Heys ever left Stanley he would be able to have a career as a comedian. He is great with those one-liners!

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BBC - Ilyas Khan confirms Accrington Stanley board exit just been listening to Ilyas interveiw again its worth a listen,specialy the first 12mins or so :)

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Well i wish Ilyas would come along n explain whats the score wi plan B?:confused: cos june has now ended n not a word about it from those hes stepped away from.:confused:

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:)Totally agree cashy!!

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it aint really down to him, but Pinky n Perky aint telling us.:(

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I think it would be nice if we could have some sort of fans forum to help clear up these issues that keep popping up.

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Ideas sound but sadly as much use as a chocolate fireguard, went to the last one n listened to the "Dons" Fairy Tales, unless they agree to a Lie Detector not much use.

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A lie detector isnt such a bad idea, at least if they lied we could plug them into the mains and shock them everytime they did it!

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Ha, ha, what a thought - I & i think many others would pay to see that :D

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As part of my business, I provide a lie detection service. It is not admissable in British law, but many people use my services for a wide variety of reasons - with most clients wanting to prove their innocence when accused of a domestic or social indiscretion.

Can you imagine a fan's forum using this equipment.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT :D

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We won't be needing a fans forum, O'Neill has answered fans questions in today's Observer -doesn't say which fans they got the questions from but maybe the answers will put some people's minds at rest???................ And pigs might fly!

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Accymad - please reveal Ob report for us exiled Stanleyites - if memory serves, the accounts should have been filed by now according to the last 'official' statement a couple of weeks back. Embargo the lifted & John'nJimmy splashing the Scunthorpe dough.

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Looked on Thobserver site, but cannot find owt?????

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No problem, articles from today's paper aren't on line yet & it's a lot to type out but I'll post the answer he gives about the embargo if that'll do? Here goes -
Q. : Why is there a transfer embargo & when will it be lifted.
A. : The current embargo that the club is under relates to the new football league rules that were introduced this summer relating to the filing of company accounts. We have brought in new accountants to the club and as yet they are not totally happy with the closing balance from the previous accounts which obviously affect the opening balance for the current year that is due.
This is being addressed and will obviously be sorted in good time to enable the club to sign players ahead of the start of the season.
Two years ago we introduced a totally new computerised accounting system into the club which gives us up to the minute information on the position the club is in.
Literally, at the end of every month, we have all the financial information at our fingertips from how much was brought in from the store or Crown pub to what we spent on wages and medical bills.
This is vital in keeping the club in the black and making sure that we are staying on track to meet our targets.
Hope that does for now, not sure when this weeks Observer goes on line, would think tomorrow

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Accymad, you're a star. Doesn't sound like the "within 2 weeks" has happened does it.

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Not exactly no, another of his answers which mentions the accounts is to the question : Who actually owns the club?
A. : 'I do, it is not an ideal situation but one that I am confident that a conclusion confirmed at Companies House is imminent.
I do not flag myself up as owner as I believe it detracts from all the current issues we are resolving & I am not the sort of person that goes out of his way to carry that sort of boast anyway.
The finalisation of the deal with Eric Whalley does involve the outstanding accounts but they are only one of the reasons the share transfer has not been completed. So to reiterate, if you ask me who owns the majority share I would say I do, if you ask the board they would say I do, if you ask Eric he would say I do'
Doesn't make things much clearer does it? :confused: