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have notice support has reduced dramatically last couple of home games, have also noticed on the clayton end a lot less of our younger supporters,:eek: these kids to me are vital to progression, its been mentioned that the atmosphere is not what it was, n i agree up to a point,since the flags/banners ban, my opinion is the great atmopsphere created by the Ultras was what the attraction was to these future ultras, whatever the rights n wrongs of this insane ban, needs to be rectified by the club, or may loose these kids forever, this is just my own thoughts, what do you think about this problem?:confused: end of the day us owd farts miss em,:eek:

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IMHO, I think that you have a valid point Casy, however I also believe that fans are sick to death of the ongoing O'Neil/Whalley saga..............I know I am!!

Ive lost count of the times someone has said to me that as long as EW remains and Don continues to lie etc then they wouldnt set foot in the Crown.

The Ultras have been offered the chance to have the flags fireproofed at the CLUBS expense, however for one reason or another they refuse to do so, which is of course their perogative, but it does seem to defeat the object somewhat.

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Fingers crossed the return of Mr G at the end of the month, brings back a resergence in the support :)

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the problem with the ban is twofold.

Firstly, a lot of the flags are made ad hoc to be ready for a specific game, ie the Newcastle banner. It would be impossible- impractical and expensive to have these fireproofed.

Secondly the ban has NOT been enforced by Lancashire County Council regardless of what the club say. I have an email from the Health and Safety Executive to the effect that a ban such as this could only be implemented by an employer having carried out a risk assessment to their employees.

If the Ultras back down on this then there may be no end of concessions requested. Part of the allure of the Ultras is the near the knuckleness of the antics. There are few and far between 'breaches' of the rules and regs with the exception being the standing rules. If the club want the support then they must be willing to concede ground.

As far as i can see the club have offered little in the way of assistance in the past when our fans have experienced problems, with Rochdale, Crewe and Cheltenham springing to mind. The battle of the Clayton End post Newcastle offered no investigation, statement or action. The club have made their own bed on this one and WILL reap the consequences.

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I don't think those facts are right. Many clubs have flag bans in place, (flags over a certain size ) I know some Burnley fans had theirs confiscated at Sheffield Utd the other week.

It would appear the H&S people don't work with the licencing authorities when it comes to applying the rules.:confused:

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lancsdave

Not all clubs have a flag ban, the ones who do generally apply a flag ban to the away supporters only.

Huge own goal by the club on this issue; O'neill, Hays and Whalley hanging around is financially the equivelent of a 10 point deduction.

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I did say many not all :)

It doesn't help the issue when there is no national guidelines/rules.

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I don't get to many home games, the last being Chesterfield. But the flag ban appears to be having a disastrous effect on the atmosphere at the Crown and, will, if a compromise isn't reached, do the club no favours.
From what I can glean the issue seemed to arise not because of the flags themselves but because of flares.
The club has responsibility for elf'n'safety, not LCC, but the fans have responsibilities too.
If it hasn't already happened, is it beyond the Ultras to undertake not to flout any rules with regard to combustible materials, and the club to accept this undertaking in good faith and to lift its ban on flags and banners.
It's all well and good the club hiding behind LCC and the H&SE, and the Ultras sticking to their anarcho-syndicalism, but don't we all want to get back on the same side?

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dont forget also that christmas is on its way .. lot less money around so parents may be making the choice of keeping their money and saving for christmas ...

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Do you think the recent poor form in the league, and the slide away from the playoffs might have something to do with it?

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You only need to look down the end of the M65 to back up that theory.:)

At this time of the year if you're not flying at the top of the league attendances dwindle at many clubs.

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Could it be? Football fans in 'being fickle' scandal? :)

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I think it is hard too judge as the last home game was a paying Cup game so that will have kept a few away.

There were a couple of games where we have probably benefitted from early season form and blank weekend fixtures for the Clarets & Rovers.

I thought the last home game the noise from the Clayton End was good and no doubt helped the side on the pitch.

I have mentioned previously on the odd occasion when I have gone in the main stand and look towards the Clayton End the Flags look great and I would think can only help inspire the players as they walk out to a sea of Red & White before them.

It is a real shame that there are now no flags

I hope a way forward can be found we are too small a Club to not find a way!

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I would suggest there is a way mate, i would also suggest that a certain duo are pulling against all thats right, n may destroy this great club if they cannot get own way. could be wrong, but that is my gut instinct.:(

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As Johnny Nash sang, "I can see clearly now".
By banning all flags and banners there can never be any raised at the ground demanding Whalley/O'Neill/Heys (pick any three from three) OUT.
A cunning stunt, as Mrs Malaprop almost said.

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There is a way forward, the club needs to complete a risk assessment placing the flags as a low or medium risk on the assessment and the flags would return,

If they want to fight fire with fire (pardon the pun) they can, but i know the lads will be happy to spend there cash in other places, where they feel wanted....

We can bide our time till the kids on the clayton end have totally lost interest, the team are in the dolldrums of a relegation battle and the court cases return

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Well that seems a real bright tactic john.:rolleyes:

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A chilling reminder of what will happen if the club doesn't start to display a bit of common sense...the Clayton End reduced to a couple of hundred grumbling old gits like me. Not a pleasant thought. :rolleyes:

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Once again cashman you sum up why the likes of Whalley, Oneill and Hays have been able to continue at our club while fans give them the two things they want from us, cash and status.

If the cash drys up and their status is sub-dued to a director/owner of a team who fight relegation year in, year out with less than 1,000 regulars and no atmosphere then maybe just maybe they will realise they are not wanted.

The 3 of them are the enemy of progress, we cant go forwards until they go.

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While I generally agree with most of what Cashy says I cant understand this topic.
Attendances for League games this season.
1624---1371---1610---1844---1933---2056---1427. The 1427 was against Cheltenham.take this one out of the equation and the gates have increased. True fans will support their team whatever the results. some will only want to watch a winning team. Last Sat I watched the worlds richest club play. 80 minutes of a back 4 + 2 holding Midfielders marking 1 Striker.
No ammount of Flags and Banners would get me to go back.

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take the lead cashman :rolleyes:

The group has wasted an endless amount of time at the club and working to try and boost the club and add another reason to get people interested in paying their money and coming on the games, and what do we get? Lied to and then sanctions placed on us.

Oh well stick with your two bit advertising campaigns and marketing, but its a good job they are only extending the away end cause the clayton end wont need it!

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yer missing the main point john, sanctions are only here cos some knob set smoke/flare off, if that hadn't happened the flags would still be flying, whilst no-one would dispute the great stuff the ultras have done, one or 2 knobs have brought this situation about, so to my mind yahs should accept that simple fact n take it from there, thats my lead. yeh don't have to like it, but ya asked fer it.:rolleyes:

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When did houshold smoke pelets become flares? they couldnt light a fag never mind a flag

we are accepting it cashman, that may be with our wallets by avoiding anything financial the club offer except gate money...no pints in the club house, crown, no programs, no 50-50 draw tickets

To be honest i couldnt care less that the flags are there for my sake! it takes ages making them, ages to put them up, a ball ache to carry round the pub...etc etc etc but it just did add a little bit of something different to many people coming on the ground if the club dont want that then ok

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seems to me like throwing yer toys outa the pram, most know they were pellets not flares, irrelevant if illegal? many people have been lied too by the Don n others,not just ultras, when n impasse is reached in any situation, the first move should always be by the party in the wrong. its childish saying they were only smoke pellets they couldn't light a fag, well aware of that! but if illegal or perceived as hazardous by those that matter, wether we like it or not is irrelevant, you say the club don't want flags, i honestly don't know, but would doubt that.:confused:

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household smoke pellets - the like of which plumbers use up and down the country day in and day out to find gaps in pipes etc. Fine one was let off, Ultras were warned. Another was let off and the whole end suffers. The club has CCTV when it wants to use it, so they could have identified the culprit and dealt with it that way. They chose the way most hurtful to them as a club. That re-inforces the belief that they are cockheads who couldn't run a bath. They are suffering for it in the short, medium and long term. They could remedy the situation today if they so wished.

I don't think the Ultras are being childish or whatever, it is standing up for yourselves and refusing to be pushed about.

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Have to disagree rob, most older fans have been saying fer yonks,what cockheads they are at the helm, beyond dispute, the ultras on the other hand were disagreeing n shooting people down fer saying so, since the ban, many now seem to agree wi that fact, if that aint childish i don't know what is.:confused:

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Ain't this just what the Cardboard Millionaire and DonGon want? Fans disagreeing amongst themselves.

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What a sad state of affairs!

We are all in it together or should be from the Top down to the very bottom or that is how it should be, We are all part of the makeup of this Club and what makes it unique and gives it it's heartbeat.

The one thing that costs nowt and can unite is dialogue is that so hard?

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I think what is more frightening is the league table, Stanley are only 2 points above the religation places

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Most sensible post of the thread (apart from the first!!) We all of us support Stanley, whereas, not all of the people in charge do????

We all want the best for Stanley, whereas not all of the people in charge do!!

Let's all get on The Clayton End/Crown Ground on Saturday and get behind the Team/Club, whatever, WE will be around long after all the nonesense has gone and Stanley - hopefully - will be around, long after WE have gone!!!!!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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aint disagreeing, just a difference of viewpoint, i honestly believe that the terrible twosome are intent on destroying the club,:eek: fer reasons most are aware, by falling out wi the ultras it will give em a fallback position of it was "Ilyas" or the "Ultras" that caused this to happen, seems farfetched? but what if it aint, then the ultras are unwittingly helping these gits to do so.:eek:

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From the top down?...are you joking? I'm not in anything together with O'Neill and Whalley. I don't even want to be in the same room as them and I certainly don't want them to be "part of the makeup of this club". Wake up and smell the coffee, Google Page Ranking!

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Couldnt agree more Wyn................I am fed up of people trying to pretend that if we 'stick together' all will be well.......its bollox pure n simple. With those two numpties at the helm, there is only one way this ship will be going, and it aint 'up'.

Google Page Ranking, I know you mean well, but c'mon man get real!

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I think there are a number of posts on here that raise some interesting points, in particular that the club will never move forward until EW and DON are gone from the club. This would then probably increase the chances of investment coming from the local economy and perhaps increase the prospects of gaining some good commercial deals. Without this sort of capital the club will never become self-sustaining, so it is a catch 22 situation until the ownership issue is sorted.

I think the capacity issue kind of best sums up everything that is wrong with the current management structure. This issue has been ongoing for over 4 years and only now are we actually trying to sort it at a time when bad weather is upon us and they will struggle to be to get the concrete to set to provide the necessary standing space.

In the short-term I think that things will continue to be run in the way it has been for the past few years. In the long-term we need to get to the point where we are a self-sustaining club that the community has a say in the running of. However this is mainly depending on Ilyas and getting his plan into action. The sooner this happens then the quicker the broken bridges can be mended.

In relation to the flags ban, I struggle to understand how the club has imposed a ban on these. There have never been any issues in the past few seasons and I think the club have shot themselves in the foot with this as it has reduced the atmosphere in the Clayton End and alienated The Ultras who have done so much for the club. Surely it would have been better to sit and down and discuss the issues arising from the risk assessment and then take steps to sort these out rather than imposing a complete ban. The club need to remember that without the fans there is no club.

As for future action, maybe it might an idea to get members from The Ultras, ASSF and OSC together to perhaps discuss what common ground they have in order to perhaps engage in dialogue with the club to sort some of the issues out.

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People interpet posts how they see them which I think you have misunderstood or read into it what you think?

I know with the Company I work for what I expect, what I am part of and the level of service & commitment I/we as a Company give to our Suppliers & to our customers.

Hope that clears it up for you?

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Not really, and I can't be doing with all this going around the houses so you'll have to spell it out for me. Do you or do you not think the club has a future with O'Neill and Whalley still around?

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Obviously I don't know a lot about the inside working of the club, but I regularly read post on here regarding Stanley and comments from people like yourself Wyn who ARE in the know. The only thing I can see. looking from the outside, is the the two people who were directly responsible for the demise of the club over the last few years are still hanging around and can only think that its not going to get better until they re both out of the way, just my opinion

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Got it in one, mate.

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This ban has been imposed, because we are on our last legs with all things groundwise and cannot afford to have any issues what so ever on a match day!!!!!

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Not in the Football League.

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And we are on our last legs groundwise because.....?

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because we dont have enough toilets, fire exits etc etc

But **** it we will penalise the fans again cause of our incompetence

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Lets be honest about 2 members of staff who have been at the centre of these issues.

Mick shultz
nice guy, does alot behind the scenes, etc.
BUT
way out of his depth as a ground safety manager, has no backbone and gets walked over.

Rob Heys
a fan, 'harmless' guy
BUT
lied and lied again to the fans, backed up Whalley and O'neill, akward to Iylas, no backbone, out of his depth as chief exec.

These two are just as problematic and are both stumbling blocks to the club improving.

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Employees tend to work the way there employers ask them to.

Your post highlights the fact that people are taking the rap for doing a job in a manner they probably don't like for fear of losing that job.

There's lots of waffling on here about what's wrong with the club, or should I say who's wrong with it. Why don't people use their collective energies and do something to make their feelings known instead of just everyone fighting amongst themsleves. Everyone knows there is a future waiting to happen but it seems everyone is quite prepared to let that future take it on single handed. What happened to fan power :)

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it looks like its all over the dwindling support ...

Sports Blog: Crowds are a cause for concern (From Lancashire Telegraph)

and theres also this one ...

Clubs should be made to announce embargoes (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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The second article seems very contradictory. He talks a lot about Stanley's problems and says , yet we know Greg Clarke's views on Stanley from this weeks visit :rolleyes:

Maybe this forum is running short of news for the LT to pick up on and the journalist concerned is just trying to find another way of not having to leave the office and find some news :D

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Because, what he said!!! ;) :) :)

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Some very interesting points of view in this thread from both people.

Everybody knows my view on those idiots still messing about around our club.
Whilst they are still at the helm, there is no way we will ever progress that is quite clear to all.

As with the ground, its clearly not up to standard as we all know, its Blue Square standard at best, yet we wont do anything to try and improve it in the long term.
Its always "just in time" to satisfy the next regulation. Its embarrassingly poor in terms of League 2.

As for the flag ban, it is ridiculous , and no doubt in my mind it has destroyed everything the Ultra's have tried to do at games since there inception. Yes it was ridiculous to set a smoke bomb off, when they had been warned, but as others have pointed out, with CCTV why not just ban the individual , and not kill the entire ground atmosphere.

In my view, it is quite clear the club want shut of the whole "ultra's" movement which considering what they have done for the club in the last few years is an absolute disgrace.

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My own personal opinion is I want a community club that the fans have a key role to play in now and for the future, that is the way forward in my mind.

Nobody is bigger than the Club

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So, reading between the lines, I assume that means you want 'em out.

Now I suppose you'll come back and accuse me of putting words in your mouth.

Were you a politician in a previous life? ;)

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No just somebody brought up with a trait of respecting people:o

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I know Google Page Ranking and he is nothing like a politician, rather than sitting on his backside moaning he is the chair of the OSC and commits a lot of his time to things associated with this. The OSC is one of the avenues we should be utilising in order to try and move things forward whether that be through protesting or engaging in conversation with the Management at the club.

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Me too. But people have got to earn respect. The people who currently run this club have done nothing to earn the fans' respect. That's why it's no good telling us we're all in it together from the top to the bottom. Until O'Neill and Whalley have gone, there will be no togetherness at this club no matter how much you might want it to happen.

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It was a tongue-in-cheek remark, hence the winking smiley, but never mind. I don't sit in my backside, I turn up for most home matches and a fair few away ones too, therefore I'm entitled to express my opinions, even if they clash with the chairman of the supporters' club.

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My remark was just to back up my opinion of Google Page Ranking wasn't meant to demean you in respect of your support for the club as I don't know you personally. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion as well, just like you I go on all the home games and any away games that I can.

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If you look at my original post I did say "that is how it should be"

It's no use infighting that helps no one

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OK, no offence taken, mate. It's O'Neill and Whalley we should be directing our venom at!

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Is this some form of momentum ?I was going to include Google Page Ranking's original reply to but he changed it ;)

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Agreed! When's the first protest? :D

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Question. If Accrington Stanley was Hogwarts, who would be Lord Voldemort? Who would be Vernon Dursley? And who would be Draco Malfoy?

No prizes for who would be Professor Dumbledore.

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What i don't get is when the club say they want to move forward! Thats all they say ALL the time!

How can they think that we will move forward with a non league ground, non league training facilities, non league wages etc.

If they would of said we`d like to stay put in the league, just miss out on relegation every year then maybe we`d all understand it. But we need to move forward or we`ll vanish like so many other teams.

But with players like Razor and Ryan in the team and a management duo we have got then why does the club think they would stay? Because in my eyes i wouldn't! The club needs to move forward like they keep saying, so move forward for a change! Sort the ground out! We've had years to do so! I dont know why they prolong things or make a massive deal out of it! JUST DO IT!

Their WEEing on their own chips with what we could do with this club and funding from a very rich millionaire who loves splashing his cash when it comes to his favourite club!

Fans, Players And Management will all get fed up soon enough!

Management with nothing to spend
Players with a RUBBISH wages, rubbish training ground facilities and a inadequate home ground to play on
Fans being treated like kids and totally bad customer service, WEEing on the ultras (Weve all heard the comments and see ourselves about what this group does) and bad stewarding.

People will soon get fed up! As soon as our club starts on the up we go straight back down!

The fans are being treated atrociously , its as if you go there and they know that whatever they do or say doesn't make any difference because they know that you`ll be back on at Stanley the next week.


ONE STEP FORWARD AND TWO STEPS BACK - ACCRINGTON STANLEY

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This is exactly what the problem is! Untill and unless the fans as a whole, not just a handfull, make their feelings known DURING a game (forget half time protests, coz the people that need to hear/see them are safely hidden away in the hospitality areas or the directors lounge) then sod all will change.........dont get me wrong I dont for one minute think doing it once will change anything, it would have to be done at each and every game from then on, get the press involved and really put the fans views across, force them to ask difficult and awkward questions of those incharge of the day to day running (down) of our club so that no one can be in any doubt that Whalley and O'Neil have to give way to a new regime.

I have no doubt that I will be in the minority with my views, but I have held them in for long enough...........I, for one have had enough, its time for direct action.....IMHO :mad::mad::mad:



(puts on tin hat and awaits the missiles!)

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Just a thought...

If flags are banned because the Ultras used pyrotechnics, surely the banning of flags paves the way for the return of said pyro?

I vote CATHERINE WHEELS!

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or even flamethrowers n barbecue a certain couple.:D

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"scuse me mate, have you got a fire certificate for that flare?"

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You've been quiet for a while Mr. Miller....

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I would think his pyrotechnics company has been busy with Bonfire Night displays :D

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I fear that you are 100% right RR..........but it needs to be done ;)

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Do u know i think its gone beyond the pail has all this, the stupid 2 honchos think if they bury themselves in the back office close their eyes & we'll go away [and we have sort of except voicing it on here].

As one of the stanley run out songs is 'TIME FOR ACTION'

Lets heed that call!! Im beginning to sence that nothing will happen or nowt will change without giving the club a CLEAR message of sorting the ownership or governance headed by Num & Numpty, words on a forum seems not enough as this sharade is kept going!

Just my thoughts but think the fans need to apply lawful pressure and resistance till change happens, heading this direct at the numpty source not to the team or management duo.

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What's wrong with burning at the stake? :rolleyes:

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that was only for witches ...

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What about Guy Fawkes?:D

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Yeah ! But she keeps walking off when I get the matches ! :( :D

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Tie her to a steak:D

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'Tar and feather' was a more common punishment for con men ;)

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Sirloin or Rib-Eye?:D

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The thing is this i think.. the flags should not have been banned regardless of a few smoke bein set off at the newcastle game, it was up there with the biggest games the clubs ever played in theres obviously going to be a bit of exitment especially with the way our group is, people would definatly moan if the clayton end was dead for 90 minutes... on the other hand also agree with no fans are above the laws but with stanley bein a family club and club officials being friendly with fans there should be a bit of le-way as the players and managment definatly appreciate what we do.

Its unfair even though the club have offered to have them 'fire-proofed' that club funds should go towards stuff like this, ground improvments, training grounds maybe should be higher on the ajenda? :rolleyes: I dont care what people at the club saying its LCC's fault to have them fire proofed cause Macca has proved that this is not the case and its simply mick shultz spittin his dummy out cause a few rules were broken... its a joke!

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going back to the newcastle game so a 'pyro' was set off (lets face it it was hardly the millenium celebrations) i find it disgusting that the club (for it is they) have banned flags,banners etc from the clayton end when surely a quiet word in the ears of various individuals would suffice and we could all continue in our support of Stanley.
I don't quite understand the motives of the club (and it is very easy to get involved in conspiracy theories)in their actions when flags, banners and the ultras per se were what stood us apart from every other lower league club and lets be honest every other club.
i find it incredibly galling to see a clayton end without flags, it's like being neutered.

We are Accy Stanley

Iwould love to know the real reasons (without conspiricies) cos it isn't half as much fun anymore

And it makes me very sad

We all know the economics and we all know we are punching above our weight but what we always had was FANTASTIC FANS,FLAGS,BANNERS and NOISE

What are they trying to do (sorry for the rant, a bit peed off)

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Good post Nige, most are a lot peed off.;)

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i reckon it'd take em a good few games to ban confetti ....

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And even longer for some poor sod to have to pick it all up afterwards.

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Think if thats the case u want to see the full report done of the meetings that took place with the LCC, fire & police authorities!! Im sure a copy can be sourced for you to read at a meeting arranged, then you might find that our safety officers hands were tied as he has given leeway before. If there was NO smoke bombs [previously complained about] then u may of got away with it - that was the issue with fire service that flammables were brought in obvious for all to see on the telly:dflam:

I can see both sides before im shot, and mearely pointing that out.

So whats the Solution then ?

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Points well made.
But if the risk of fire is so great, why haven't the stewards being instructed to (try and) relieve fans of their lighters and matches?

If the risk is from flares, smoke pellets, or fireworks specifically, could not the 'competent person' at Stanley (I know, I know) tell everyone else how many 'flare -free' games need to occur before the daft ban on flags and banners can be lifted?
Under the Regulatory Reform (Fire safety) Order 2005, risk assessments for footie grounds should be reviewed periodically. If the risk is no longer in evidence, is there a need to continue a ban on something unrelated to the risk?
As many people have said, flares could just as easily set clothes alight so, if the risk has not gone away, will the Clayton End become restricted to naturists?

But, if the Club do lift the ban, the fan's / Ultras' side of the deal is that they persuade anyone attempting to let off another flare / smoke pellet / firework of the error of his/her ways, before it happens.

Growing up's never easy.

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As one of them who put the hrs in for newcastle game flags/displays smoke was a huge NO NO!we didnt put in all that effort in for it to be ruined!

whatever the reasons the powers that be are making the fans and players suffer now due to having no flags/banners

re the newcastle game n complaints not ONE complaint was sent into myself or linda so we were unable to work with club and the FSF......maybe if we had be able to do this a flag ban may of not be put in place who knows??

Its no good sitting on here moaning about it you might as well be at the pub chatting with your mates for what effect it has to the powers that be,we had a great chance to work with the club and an offical body ie FSF but this chance was wasted due to no one putting a complaint in!

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And heretics;);):rolleyes:

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THE MYSTERY OF THE NON EXISTENT FLARE

When will it turn out next - Keep Watching Everyone :rolleyes:
:dflam:

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Come on lads... You are all on line, give us some views/thought......

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If the club don't want our style of support then we, the Ultras, are screwed... because the "authorities" up & down the country certainly don't want it.

I can honestly see the whole Curva lose its appeal to the youngsters & nobody at the club has the vision to try & keep what we have....

:(

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Jase, in the words of Cashy..N.L.T.B.G.Y.D!!!! What has been done at Accy/Clayton End, is nowt short of incredible - do not let the odd 1 or 2, let it go to waste!!!

The very, very best of luck on the 29th, let's hope that we get the right result!!!!!!!!!!!

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Even without the flags the Ultras style is still more atmospheric than most other grounds, and that includes the one I worship at. I suspect I know you're answer Jase but is there not some compromise that can be reached from both sides ?

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Why can't whoever re-instate the use of flags & banners, but on say a 6 month warning order, as long as the lads get a grip of the idiots there shouldn't be a problem 6 months up & no problems all bans should be lifted, as the Lads would've shown their commitment to self governing so the powers that be should treat the lads like the sensible adults they are & that they can keep order. It would further re-affirm the solid, colourful & loud spectacle of the Ultras in all their glory, something that is as much a part of the club as the world renown name of 'Accrington Stanley'.

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That sounds quite a reasonable idea to me.

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You could always make W & O pick it up by hand as a punishment:rolleyes:

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Posted via Mobile Device I blame the weather amongst others:@

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Surely the OSC should have a big role in brokering dialogue between the Ultras and the club on these issues? Merely posting on here is weeing in the wind.:(. Apologies if this is already being done.
Or is the club's door firmly closed? If so, some direct action is called for.

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There has to be some common ground ground that can work for everyone here?

None of this is helping the Club or its support!

The Club & people must be proactive if that means dialogue then let's have it...

Whether that's about whats going on behind the scenes or ways we can move away from the impasse that has been there for what seems like an entertinity but it is quickly developing and widening into a chasm.

This forum only gives a small sense of what people really think and there opinions until everything is on the table and people know where we are going and what is happening the questions will remain and the gulf will continue to widen.

Somebody has to get a grip

I will talk to anyone if it helps

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Basically the club should issue a statement clarifying the issues, why the ban is in place, who decided the ban has to be placed and any methods of fixing the issue.

Not likely to happen because the Google Page Ranking department at the top of the club is non-existent and while everybody is discussing this issue it leaves other issues out of the spotlight

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I'll talk to anybody whos prepared to listen!!

At the Crown from 9am tomorrow with Mr S!!:)