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Probably, but they don't like balding scousers with a tendency to indulge in expletive-laiden rants, so we'll have to keep Coley under wraps until the deal is done. ;)

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now that EW and D'On are gone/going, I will be getting a season ticket again.

While the price increase is a big jump, I do sympathise with the club as the lower prices simply have not encouraged the local community to attend games.

What I dont understand is the £50 club lounge fee.
Surely they should be offering a buffet club aka a more expensive unique ticket which gets you a buffet/carvery in a private bar.

this type of ticket is the most popular with other clubs and it often leads to more revenue/sponsorship streams.

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well what a day.

Many people appear to have calmed down somewhat after a days reflection and Ilyas's posts.

The argument seems to now be centred around the clubhouse, understandable. The clubhouse has not been the same since they tried to go corporate with it. That seemed to have failed initially but more recent times it has seemed a lot busier. For my part I tried the clubhouse last week after wide berthing it for the last 18 months or so. My wide berth was mainly because the lager had become so distasteful that even my uncultured pallete was unable to stomach it anymore. The good news was that it had lost the pungent smell (the lager) and tasted clean again. Slightly warm and I could suggest that the gas be turned up a smidgen, but it was drinkable and I had planned on trying to go in a little more often. Well that's that over and done with I guess.

But I am still very disappointed with the season tickets and no amount of posters juggling figures will convince me it is anything but a bad move. The point of it is that the hardcore to some extent will remain (still think we'll lose a goodly number though), the club will make a profit on those figures from last year. I do believe that season tickets will take a massive hit (unless loads of freebie kids season tickets are again included in the numbers) but that will be off-set later by the majority paying on the day.

But it's more disappointing because it has always been the newcomers that we have needed. A new season, new ownership, new belief and trust in the club, that is when people are at their most susceptible to getting involved. I think it was Shakermaker earlier on (can't find the post) who said something along the lines of the five pound offer hadn't really worked - well it wouldn't would it? Where was the full page advert in the Observer? where was the huge billboard ad on Burnley Road? where were the posters in all the pubs around town? Until the club has a marketing budget and strategy then no amount of offers are going to do anything other than reduce the income generated from those coming already.


this is where the club should be concentrating their efforts. Not even just locally. Whenever I go to other grounds I look at the advertising boards, they are full of national companies and chains. We only seem to have the nationals that are FA partners and we are probably contractually obliged to advertise them. Colemans Mustard, Stanley Tools, Milk Marketing - find the links and exploit those people.

The club should now be in a position to 'milk' the name again. Rob Heys, Martin Edmundson, Dave O'Neil and Ilyas have all said that people have expressed interest in sponsorship but wouldn't do until the situation was resolved. It is resolved now go out and get their money.

Now should have been the time where we say to the town thanks for everything (not that many people did) you have done for us over the years during the bi-annual plea for money, thanks for putting up with us staining the name of the town through betting scandals and goodness knows what else, thanks for putting up with taking the mick with bodged planning permissions and ignoring the Freedom of the Borough - here you are have something back. We should be giving them the opportunity to watch football at an affordable price, we should be pledging to have a series of charity events for local causes, we should be looking at building a number of bridges through whatever avenues we can. It seems to me that this is pushing us further away from the community vision and further towards us being marooned as an expensive day out that can only be done once in a while.

All I can say is that I'm glad a married a woman who hasn't the slightest inclination to come to the game with me.

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and sorry for my second long winded affair of the week.

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Snap Rob:D

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mines the same, but yer lucky mines goin out on the lash tomorrow night, so she wont be in on own all night, would been ruddy cheaper to take her to Macclesfield.:D

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Time to enter the fray.

Doing the maths, then assuming you buy next seasons season ticket early you would save £90 on walk on prices at the buy early price of £15. However, what happens if we get promotion and they put the prices up even more? There is this possibility. I should think the biggest moaners on here are those that stand in the Clayton (Sophia Khan terrace) who have to pay £3 walk on on the day increase or £2 if bought in advance and goodness knows what the difference is in season tickets.
I too would like to see the season tickets paid for over a period of up to 5 months as most FL teams do. One thing is that assuming supporters do not default on payments, then there is a steady stream of income into the club over a period of time. I for one would gladly buy a season ticket if that were the case.
I do have sympathy with supporters with the case of the extras, however a certain number of supporters already pay a premium for parking on the car park, Gold Bond sellers I believe if they have sufficient customers (I don't know the figure) they get a free season ticket!
However, I do hope the one extra to disappear between now and next season is the one for the lounge, that is a BIG own goal, or is this a plan to keep away supporters out?
Lets leave the running of the club to the men in the know e.g. Mr Khan, Rob Heys etc etc. One would hope they know what they are doing.

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Anybody who reads through virtually every post on this subject can be in no doubt what the vast majority think on here of yesterday's announcements and this is only a layer of the onion in terms of Stanley support that attends matches.:(

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Fairly sure at the Cannon st meeting Ilyas said he is no expert on running a football club, he's going to have to blag it now :D

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Did you leave your ST at home on Tuesday like me, and pay at the gate, Google Page Ranking? I feel a bit foolish now, although I WILL be renewing, happily. Beg. borrow or steal the money for a ST and help the club on the way to a better future. OK, the facilities are poor compared with the competition but they can't begin to compare with the magic of supporting the Reds.:)

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The last few posts have given me some faith back. We need all the support we can get and as much money as that support can afford. It is my home town team and I give gladly and willingly what I can. Remember the lads on the pitch on Tuesday night and the staff in and around the ground were still waiting to get their late wages. Yet they all turned up served us with a smile on their faces and the 18 members of the squad gave 110% when asked to do so. I doubt there has been a more heroic bunch of people in football over the past couple of seasons. Paying a little more here and there means people like these receive the rewards they deserve

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all well n good, but slagging the people they are trying to attract back is not the brightest move yeh ever made.:rolleyes:

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I did RR and between the extras who came with us we put another six on the gate and they all enjoyed it.

I understand all about the better future etc. but I just think this is a step too far to soon when it's all about getting footfall to the ground and building back up.

I have long advocated backing season ticket campaigns but when it has the potential to price people out of coming to games it seriously worries me.

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A very grand speech there, Minister. I would personally agree with much of what you say, but, then again, you're preaching to the converted on here. Unfortunately, your sentiments won't mean a jot to the Accrington public at large. They will be attracted by entertaining football with reasonable facilities at an affordable price...nothing more, nothing less.

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they're not a charity you know :rolleyes:

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Nail on the head. Ilyas, the club should employ this guy as an adviser!

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afternoon all. sorry i went to bed last evening prior to seeing a couple of the questions that are currently on p6. I will certainly try to find out a bit more about the reasons behind the move on the club lounge - but I truly do think that Rob and his team should be allowed to manage the situation. I believe that they will take feedback from all quarters, and when they make mistakes (as we all do) they will try to rectify.

Macca, your posts are very clear (and eloquent). would you be prepared and happy to go along to the club and chat to Rob and explain your views ? I am hoping we can all be collaborative here, and I must admit that your posting made me think again. I dont think that the pricing will change now, but some of your other comments are well worth thinking through.

thank you everyone, and if i have missed a direct question, please PM me or comment now. i am logged in for an hour or so.

Ilyas

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Hope he takes you up on the offer, Ilyas. I think he could make a real contribution to "selling" the club to the people of the area and the world at large.

Sponsorship by Stanley Tools for instance...cracking idea, especially as football themes since to figure quite a lot in their promotional operations
Stanley UK - Stanley Is Top Of The League

Their marketing director is called David Osborne. Somebody get on the case now! :)

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that is two really cracking ideas. the milk and the stanley tools. it just goes to show that the most obvious things sometimes need a prod. Thank you WYnonie for the name of the marketing director. we will surely follow up.

there is such a lovely feeling of goodwill right now that I hope we can make the most of it.

thanks
Ilyas

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Crown paint/Crown Ground just coming out of sponsoring Rovers

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Ilyas is it possible the Early Bird Season Ticket deadline can be extended beyond the 30th April?

At least then it may give more people a chance to come up with the cash rather than trying to find it in just over three weeks which is a big ask.

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Pendle Red, i will certainly ask about the deadline. I suspect that once the deadline is out, there is some merit in sticking to it, otherwise those who have made the cut and got the discount, will then have a grievance. However, I will certainly ensure the team thinks about this.

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well yes and no to be honest. I'm not trying to be awkward but the prices are set and I can't see anybody going back on it with all the best will in the world.

My views are relatively plain and straightforward an don't particularly need any further explaining. Besides which I once had a very long and very constructive evening with Rob whilst I went through my ideas on the giving a shirt to every eleven year old in the borough. The meeting went very well and much was deliberated. The end result of which was that it was an idea that will certainly be expanded upon. 3 months later (after further legwork on my behalf) we released a new shirt mid season which entirely killed the idea dead. You were well aware of the idea and liked it as you had agreed to fund it. The idea never went ahead. Going to the club and spending any length of time discussing something just seems like a waste of both of our time.

The point of it all is that this club needs to re-connect with the borough. There are plentiful ideas out there but it needs to be as part of a wider strategy rather than one hit wonders. It's all well and good doing bits here and there but without a well thought strategy they will have little effect.

A lot can come down to you Ilyas. You are the man with the money. You are the man who has committed to propping us up in the short term. I believe that by spending some in certain directions it could reap bigger dividends. One of those directions is by giving it away. Easy for e to say it's not my money, and people like our good friend Onymofo might well scoff at giving it away, but the club has asked for money for a long time and has always (for decades) been the poor relation in the borough. There are so many, many parallels with Stanley 2011, Stanley 1968, Stanley 1921 and Accrington 1893 that we have to change something in our approach or we will carry on going down the same well trodden path as history tells us.

I would be willing to discuss these sort of matters at any length and with anybody you please. I would also be willing to sit down with anybody anywhere in order to offer my views on a marketing strategy.

I offer my views not as a market analyst, or business graduate, but as somebody who identifies with every person on the street of Hyndburn who may or may not attend games for a whole host of reasons.

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The thought we had would be a recipricol arrangement with other clubs eg Accrington Golf Club. Where benefits would be for both parties eg Discount on Match day tickets for Golf club members or Discount on green fees for those Stanley season ticket holders who play golf.Hopefully forging close links and pushing the club out to the community and possibly increasing gates and business contacts,with golf/conference/catering facilities.

Just an idea.....

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That would be even bigger than any promotion:)

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and would be more successful riding on the back of a promotion ..... :)

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Macca and others. I appreciate all your thoughts and views. My own modus operandi has always been to focus on the positive. Good things really do happen to good people, and oft times repitition is critical. for those of you who have a relationship with the club then please dont judge us by the past. Give us a chance. But if we still make mistakes, please tell us ! I know that its so easy to find the negative and the faults, but in the case of accy stan, there are so many positives that we can do a number of things whilst we understand and figure out a longer term strategy (eg getting a new home for the team in the form of a stadium). What i mean here is that my Rob and his colleagues will try their best to reach out to the community in the short term, but also hope to get a lift from the enormous amount of interesting thoughts that you are all coming up with. Sometimes it makes sense to act quickly on an idea. In fact many times a longer term strategy becomes more clear only when small baby steps have been taken.

finally for now, turning my thoughts to tonight, thank you for all the fans going on the trip down to Macclesfield to support Coley, Jimmy and the boys.

Ilyas

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Oh Well, Simple choice for me.

That's me out of it for this year, I will probably go to the odd game now and pay on the gate.

:(:(:(

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Probably the most ironic thing last night was the Macclesfield announcer telling them to watch out next week for the reduction in season ticket prices for next season.

I looked on their website and apparently they are reducing season tickets and offering other incentives to try and get the money in.No details yet.

I'm guessing they are working on the theory that you get as many as in as possible with low season ticket prices and then look at other ways of getting money out of those who can afford more. Given their similarity to Stanley in the annual battle of who has the least support it will be interesting to see what they come up with

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Sorry to hear that Clayton Red and others:(

Just a quick question would an extension on the deadline date for early bird renewals make any difference in being able to re-knew Clayton Red or any others?

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Yes it would Pendle , I simply cannot afford to find the cash within a few weeks, and I know alot of others are in the same boat as me.

End of May would be fine.

Dont get me wrong I feel its still too big a jump in price, but if thats the price theres nothing anybody can do.

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It's been said so many times by different people but never gets an airing. Get a panel together of key supporters; community interests groups; local Government, local business leaders and the club. Turn the all thing on its head and really make it a community club. an handful of the right people consulting with each other on a regular basis would spare us these issue before they arise. The council and local business community should be a door opener to wider contacts and sponsorship; the fans and local community groups coming together could fill the ground with potential future supporters by working on club and public projects that get's Stanley noticed. But it only starts with the right people talking and listening to each other.

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It would not make differance to me, its the cost for me.

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Maccledfield's early bird season ticket prices for this season were
Main Stand - Adult - £299
Concession - £230
Under 16 - £50

Star Lane End & London Road Terrace - Adult - £230
Concession - £165
Under 16 - £50

The full price was
Main Stand - Adult - £375
Concession - £300
Under 16 - £50

Star Lane End and London Road Terrace - Adult - £300
Concession - £210
Under 16 - £50

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Just been looking back through the archives and found the season ticket prices from 2006/07 - our first year in the league.

2006: adult: standing £265, seating £305
2011: adult: £255

2006: seniors: standing £160, Seating £200.
2011: seniors: £170

Cheaper than 5 years ago and we could be in a league higher!

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Standing Prices were £160 for this season
Standing Prices are £255 for next season

This is an increase of 63% as long as you pay within 23 days otherwise it is an increase of 78%. One thing that seems to be lost in all this is the fact that the fans were willing to pay their money towards season tickets and we have never been certain of the future and whether we would have a club to watch (up to now). If the club would have gone to the wall then the fans would have lost a large chunk of their money.

Its easy to say that we are pricing our season tickets in line with other clubs but we struggle to bring fans on. How is a price rise to this extent going to encourage families and roaming fans to purchase a season ticket? The deadline is a double whammy, asking people to find the money in 23 days is difficult for most working families especially in these difficult times we face. Most businesses are having to make better of what they have got or only increasing prices as a last resort. We should maybe have another look at this in facts and figures at the end of the month to see how many renewals we have in 2011 compared to 2010. It wouldn't surprise me if renewals drops by a reasonable chunk, I hope I am wrong but I feel this policy is rather short-sighted and will only be to the detriment of the clubs finances in the longer term.

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Macclesfield Prices

Early Bird
Standing £220
Seating £289

Full Price
Standing £275
Seating £365

Free Macclesfield Player subscription for the first 500 people worth £34.99
Free 3 course meal in the Sammy McIllroy Suite
£10 cashback for every 10% increase in season ticket sales compared to this season
Game by Game voucher scheme including discounts on catering and club shop merchandise

Deadline 27th May 2011 or pay in two instalments - 1st one on date of purchase and 2nd by 16th June

Seems like they have done a whole package option and given them 45 days to pay or the chance to pay in 2 instalments.

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Well said bdc. Totally agree.

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How do you expect the Club to survive if prices aren't increased. It has been proved that we cannot survive with the prices that are currently being charged. Ilyas cannot make up the shortfall indefinately. The increase in prices will certainly not wipe out the difference between income and expenditure but it will help a little. The price of everything has increased dramatically over the last few years. Have you all stopped smoking ? Have you all stopped drinking ? Have you all stopped buying petrol ? Probably not, so why stop buying a season ticket ?

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dont reckon many folk dont expect prices to rise jeff, its a whole bigger game than that, a sensible early bird cut off fer starters, people are well aware the club needs to survive,so prices must rise, the main focus to me should be retaining what fans we have n trying to attract new/folk to come back, this fails badly in that area to me.

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I expect the club to start running on a professional level. I expect the club to start to exploit its commercial viabilities. I expect the club to stop having mobile phone bills of £30k per month. I expect the club to stop the silly promotions that only take the money away from them and start work on proper promotions that are advertised in a more relevant fashion. For a start.

on a supply and demand level? the price of necessities has increased dramatically, the cost of entertainment for which their is a multitude of options, has dropped or the service has improved. The film is the same and the entry fee is the same - would you watch the film at a leaky cinema with fold out plastic seats or would you travel to Burnley and watch the said film in a warmer environment with no leaks in the roof, padded seats, better food and draught beer?

yes many have and the % of smokers to non smokers grows wider by the day

yes many have, as indicated by the number of pub closures on a daily basis. Take a look around Accrington centre or any of the suburban pubs over the weekend

I don't think anybody stops buying it but you stop making un-necesessary journeys

will follow suit as per the previous three answers.

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The club needs the money to survive so the best way of doing that is to get as many people as possible to buy a season ticket. The easiest way of doing that is to allow staged payments.

I can't see how that can be difficult given that there is already a scheme in place which allows you to 'bank' money at the club via vouchers etc.

£50 down in April and £50 payments in May, June, July and begining of August should be feasible, and keep the money coming in during the close season, and judging by the response on here will raise ticket sales in comparison to what is going to happen. Why is that so difficult ?

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Its not Dave, and personally, if that were the system, I believe it would attract a hell of a lot more potential season ticket holders!

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Certainly the only way one in this house would get one unless we win the lottery or get some massive orders in the next week , and no it's not me, I'm not that converted :D

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Economics I love it

Supply & Demand or Econmic Equilibrium

Supply will be there but will the demand?

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Seems a few folk have problems attending matches although the hold a season ticket, would it not be possible to "reimburse" these people at the end of the season when reapplying for a new ticket. By that I don't mean handing over cash, but deducting the cost of the unvisited games7unused tickets from the price of the new one ? If they choose not to renew then those lost games would be forfeited as the action would only be carried out with a renewal.

Just a suggestion, as to practicality & feasibility, I don't know if it's a viable form of encouragement, but it'd certainly make people feel less hard done to & for want of a better expression "cheated". We do something similar over here with day tickets for our lake, if the lads have paid up for 5 sessions, their next visit is given to them for free so they don't feel as though they're being milked & they always come back.

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I haven't said that I am against a price increase, I think it would have been more sensible to pitch it around the £200/ £210 mark with a deadline cut off of around the 15th May. Like Rob has said, I think it is now upto the clubs personnel to step up to the plate on the commercial side and start putting together a good strategy to help promote the Stanley brand to the business world. We need a ground sponsor, a shirt sponsor, matchday sponsors, matchball sponsor, commercial partners like Burnleys BOA and sponsors for the boards around the ground. Getting these things sorted is a basic requirement as part of the solution to solving the cashflow problems at Accy.

The second part should be reasonably priced season tickets designed to follow the community club ethos that would help to bring new people in and keep the current fans feeling like they are wanted. This means reaching out to the local people in numerous ways whether that being involved in local festivals such as having Winstanley down at the food festival from last week or properly advertising discounted tickets in the local papers, on the radio and advertising boards in areas of large footfall. Why dont we have tie ins with the shops in the centre of Accy such as maybe a free drink with every matchday ticket, this gets people into the bar and use the voucher as a loss leader. We should also be getting the players out into local schools or arranging coaching schools for after school to help start getting the younger fans in for the next generation of supporters. These are all basic things that when brought together can help to allieviate the problems of the past and help us move forward into a more solid financial footing. But this will take a good few years to put fully into place.

There is also the simple fact that if you have more bums on seats then they are more likely to spend money on merchandise, programs, beer, food etc. If the increase in season ticket prices means less people renew then this means we are no better off financially and will suffer from a loss of reputation just at a time when we had finally broken free of the ghosts of the past. As a fan I would seriously urge a rethink on the current process for season tickets including an extension of the early bird deadline to the 15th May and the idea of charging to get in the supporters bar completely dropped.

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Burnley have a system in place to either pay it over 10 months or 3 months for a small fee. They outsource the financing of it to a loan company who give the club a small commission per transaction which adds up to a decent chunk with the amount of renewals they have. Surely this is something that Stanley could sort if they had researched it? An early bird renewal cost £390 and if it was paid over 3 months it cost around an extra £15 which is not bad really and gives another avenue for fans to go down in order to ensure that they have the financial flexibility to pay for the season ticket.

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there is the pre-pay thing in the club shop which wasn't advertised enough from early on. We've all had a gripe about the pricing but everyone who reads this knows for next season that is an option. please use it.

Though god only knows why we can't have installments. It doesn't even need to be done on any other basis than paying cash at the shop. They don't issue the season tickets until twenty minutes before the season starts usually so it will cost them naff all to allow April, May, June, July, August as five monthlies. As others have said it would encourage far more sales - pay your deposit now. The only reason I can see for avoiding it is that the club wants the money right now to see them through the summer - fine this year because we are lumbered with the ghosts of christmas past. Hopefully by this time next year we will have learnt how to make 9 months worth of income last 12 months and season ticket installments will be an option.

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Just had a look at the finance terms. On a £284 ticket the charge over 3 months is £8.71 & over 10 months £24.30.

I always paid for mine over 10 months, spreads the cost easily

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I think this is one of the best things about Burnleys ticketing, it is another market to tap into in these difficult times when money is becoming a bit tighter.

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When I mentioned it earlier, the monthly payment would be steady income through the summer. They will still pay the wages monthly so lump sums in April don't really make much difference

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Tell you what if they do something like that I'll even buy and I can hardly get there !!!

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April 30th will tell the Club whether this has been a success or not?

As others have said there are still options left open to the Club in extending the early bird deadline, possibly making use of the pre-pay that is in exisitence till a certain date later in the summer?

Would people be willing to pay the non-early bird price of an extra £30 for a season ticket if they could pay by an extended deadline or other a period of time?

There is mention in the Season Ticket documentation of a Group Monthly Ticket what is that?

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Way i see it, the season ticket was a virtual give away at last seasons prices, which was unsuccessful,as gates n other issues have proved, the new ones are "Still" a good price by comparison. the fact remains though the "Hike" in price is too much fer some folk,in this short timespan, those in command need to get off there arses n reconsider Deadline/Payments, PDQ. no thought at all has gone into this new offer IMHO. Wake up n smell the coffee.

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Re: Burnley season tickets

How does the Club/finance company get around the problem of people cancelling their direct debits, yet still keeping hold of their season ticket booklet?

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Don't know for deinate but I would guess it's taken off them when they try using it. Will see if I can find out

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That would need to be the case and may be feasible in an all-seater stadium, however, I can't see Stanley being able to police it effectively.

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Possibly on a 10 month option, but if they use the 5 month option previously mentioned people wouldn't even get the season ticket if they haven't paid

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the easy way would just be to issue the season ticket in two lots. The season ticket as it is doesn't get issued until August so whether they have chosen the pay now or the five month option they would receive it at the same time. If they have chosen the ten month option then they'd get the last batch of tickets when January's payment is received. Would be easy enough to validate the payments.

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I think because it is an outside company that provides the finance, they will pay the cash upfront to the club and if the customer stops paying it will be upto the finance company to chase the debt.

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Did I hear mention of the new system being a swipe card type system? If this is the case then it would be relatively easy to disable the swipe card if a payment is missed. Just like when you lose your bank card and you bank cancels your card for you.

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Having used a swipe card season ticket at Anfield a few times the system is smooth but still requires a person sitting in the kiosk at the side.

I would have thought the costs would far outweigh the system for us unless it can be linked to the box office syste we have in place?

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We have the smartcard system for season tickets at Ibrox and it works fine with no one in the kiosk except for designated ones for paper match tickets although there are also smartcards which can be activated on a game by game basis for non ST holders.

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Theres no budge on season tickets either deadlined for 30th april again decision defended as good value and need to keep the club viable.

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What a spectacular own goal by the club on the price of match day and season-ticket prices. For the first time in years I was starting to feel positive about the future following Mr Khan’s takeover.
In my opinion, we have somewhere in-between 1000 & 1200 hard core supporters. (Doubled in ten years which is an achievement sometimes overlooked) We are all aware of the need to attract the further 800 to 1000 required to sustain a football league club. I thought the club had started this by offering £5 deals and offers on the three remaining games in order to bring these people on board. Some season-tickets holders begrudge people paying these low prices, when they have committed a lump-sum up front for discount; however I tend to look at the bigger picture and can see the reason the club would need these people.
However the decision to increase the season-tickets by such a large % has disgusted me (and I don’t use that word lightly.)It has been a hard slog being a Stanley fan during the past 4/5 years and this is not the way to treat us, although I appreciate there would be some increase. I am fortunate enough to be able to pay the new price but these are tough times especially in a town like Accrington, but I will have to think long and hard on this as a matter of principle.
Ilyas, when you talk about Rob and his team making these decisions, it leaves me cold, given their track record and if I thought that every avenue for extra revenue had been exhausted such as attracting the extra fans we need, corporate hospitality, ground sponsorship, shirt sponsorship, advertising etc. I would pay £500 or more per season to keep this club going.
This is clearly not the case and it is the loyal few who are being targeted and if you then start with ticketing deals next season, you will then further alienate us.
We cannot escape the geography surrounding Accrington Stanley, the two major clubs we are sandwiched between and what they have to offer the consumer for less. You would not expect someone to pay the same price for a Ford Ka from a second hand dealer when you could buy a new Audi ten miles away, and then ask to pay another £50 for the privilege of signing up for it in the portacabin.
We can’t keep making these shocking decisions as a club, as they are nails in our coffin. Accrington’s clubs have died before. Let’s use some of the knowledge our supporters have. Learn the lessons from the past. One idea would be to have a fans forum/think tank to work with the club. A team of say five people whom the supporters could feed ideas into and kick it off with people such as Macca and Steve Lowe and we could take turns on serving on this committee.
We stand on the verge of a bright future-don’t miss the opportunity. This should have been a promotion to attract 1000 season-ticket holders –family deals etc. What a waste-the people making these decisions would not last two minutes in any other industry!

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Good post Ghostbuster

So much sense in it but will the Club listen over to them

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The other thing at the moment is it's almost like the football has taken a back seat with all the announcements over the last week as well maybe that's just me?

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Ghostbuster, whilst I agree with your sentiments, are you suggesting that the prices of the tickets should be lowered so that Mr Khan can continue to bail us out, I don't think so. I do have sympathy with people who like to stand in the Sophia Khan terrace because they are the ones absorbing the biggest increase, but when all is said and done, £16 per match (walk on price) isn't that big a deal. I would love to be able to afford a season ticket, but I cannot justify forking out £230 in one lump sum, however, if there were to be payments made over say 5 months of initial payment of £70 and four further payments of £40, then I would be first/second in the queue. In the meantime, I will continue to pay at the gate until such time as it becomes truly unaffordable.
The problem of Rovers and Burnley either side of us is as old as the Football League. It is something we cannot escape from. Success will breed success both on the terraces and on the pitch.

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Outback Ossy, not suggesting at all that Mr Khan should bail us out again.


What I would like to see from the club are ideas which galvanise the support. To put the price up at the same time as offering £5 tickets is confusing to say the least.

I want a long-term strategy on pricing, not knee-jerk ideas (ie all ticket-not all ticket for Saturday and £50 for the pleasure of standing having a beer in a glorified wood hut!

If the facilities were up to sratch you could start squeezing a little more out of us for extras!

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No it hasn't! For Rovers fans, maybe! It's been a thrilling rollercoaster ride for us and we've had it ridiculously cheaply. Get real, mate.

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There was a middle ground nobody is denying the tickets were cheap but the simple fact was in at points in the last two seasons we put money in for season tickets not even knowing if we would have a team to take to the field.

Okay things have changed now but the price increase is substantial it could have floated around the £200 mark with no vouchers most people would have been perhaps able to stretch to that.

The name dosn't sell itself or brand whatever you want to call it Stanley is a slow burn project in terms of numbers & markets we have been given the best free publicity since the Conference and what should have been a Golden Goose back then laid scrambled eggs.

Only the Club will know if it's a success in terms of numbers and the accounting side come April 30th.

Quality Football at an Affordable Price should be our by words but only the Club know where that sustainability lies.

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Couldent agree more Pendle

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The club has never been viable so putting it up a £100 is all well and good but if people don't renew then that is another revenue avenue decreasing. I do wonder where the logic comes from with these decisions :rolleyes:

Disclaimer: I am not against a fair price increase

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Would it not be worthwhile asking for a breakdown ? It's understandable for a rise in pricing as so many things have risen in price over the past 6-8 months, if people could see exactly where the costs are incurred perhaps they'd be more sanguine about the hike, but as it stands it looks like someone's just plucking numbers for fun.

Incidentally does the VAT have any bearing on the price ?

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I notice in the season ticket brochure there is a piece about life members

What is a life member and how does one become one?

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I would suggest you won't get one and to be honest I doubt any clubs share that information. Best thing is for people to air their views. At the beginning of May people will have made their choice. Somebody(s) will be proved right and somebody('s).

I still think it's a shame that having just turned the corner to unite the club and fans obstacles seem to be cropping up all over the place.

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Has anyone else not received their renewal pack yet?

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I am a life member. About 10-15 years ago I paid approx £1000 to have a season ticket for the rest of my life.
This offer ended when we were in the northern premier. I suppose I took a chance and was rewarded and I'm still alive.

I know I don't have to but I will buy a season ticket this year. Especially as they are still great value at less than what they were 5 years ago.

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From what I understand back in the non-league days if you paid like £1000 you could become a life member ie season ticket for life. Purely a guess though

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Thank's Sam I have just read Stanleyhouse's post everything is now crystal clear.

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But the clean sweep didn't go far enough, I dispair sometimes:(

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I'm finished with all this until the end of the season, I'm concentrating only on the football from now on. :)

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Thanks Redraine for your advice in advising me to get real. I meant the constant stench of bad publicity that has surrounded the club-one financial crisis after another, betting scandals etc.

The football is the best I have seen in 30 years at the Crown.(We have the best manager in England) This is why it is a missed opportunity by people running our great club!

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OK, point taken, though the positives have always outweighed the negatives for me - just!:)

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Same wi me, but not so wi many others imho.;)

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VAT is included in the price of the tickets, so out of the early bird price of £255 Stanley get £212.50 and £42.50 goes to the Government in VAT. Out of the standard price of £285 Stanley get £237.50 and £47.50 goes to the Government in VAT. Out of the walk on price of £16 Stanley get £13.33 and £2.67 goes to the Government in VAT.

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Thanks Jeff, but what I was aiming at was the fact that there's recently been a hike in UK VAT, so straight away you've got an increase of 2.5% on the ticket cost without any other considerations.

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There's also a 1% Employers NI rise. Quite a lot on players who earn 50k a week :D

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That will probably slay you n all dave.:D

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Good point but if you do the sums it's nearer 2.1%.

Also a good point but, because thresholds have also risen, this doesn't really kick in until you've paid someone over about £24,000 per annum. Below that it's now cheaper!

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job sorted, meself n keep the faith been up fer ours this morning.:)

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For those that do not know:-

ASFC News Story > 4037

Good move for most I feel!!!! :)

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Good move.

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS !!!

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See thread "Prepay Early Bird Extension" by Pendle Red.

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As it's now the 1st May the earlybird deadline has finished.

Does anybody know how sales have gone and if the prepayment scheme actually increased the take-up ?

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asked that question last week, didn't get much of n answer.

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:) As far as i know its gone very well and have had a steady stream of fans taking up both the early bird and 50/50 offer:)

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I would imagine that information may not become common place.

I just hope the extstension has helped some by helping them being able to spread the cost.