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Oldgrumbler 01-07-2011 14:36
Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Big hint in the Oldham paper, suggests JC may walk out Oldham News | Oldham Athletic News | Tug of war - Chronicle Online

smudgie 01-07-2011 15:20
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Not a chance.

Chimer 01-07-2011 15:23
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Why would an Oldham reporter have any idea as to what Coley's thinking? If there was a quote, I might be worried.

lancsdave 01-07-2011 15:27
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Now I know where they got the term Chamber Pot ( Potty's) from :D

Redraine 01-07-2011 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 915952)
Not a chance.
I hope to God you are right, but Coley seemed to have an air of resignation about him in Dan's interview. When asked if he thought it was inevitable that we would lose so many key players from the squad he said not, suggesting to me he thought some way of keeping them here SHOULD have been found. I wonder what Dan thought?

Doug 01-07-2011 18:58
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Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 915988)
I hope to God you are right, but Coley seemed to have an air of resignation about him in Dan's interview. When asked if he thought it was inevitable that we would lose so many key players from the squad he said not, suggesting to me he thought some way of keeping them here SHOULD have been found. I wonder what Dan thought?


It was depressing to watch and his body luggage as been quite subdued since the wages fiasco, however, I'd be surprised if he would ever leave of his own accord. I had personally hoped that Ilyas and the board would have advanced funds to keep as much of the team together and built upon it for a push on promotion in the 11/12 season. It should have been doable just on last seasons record alone. Yeah; it's not my or the supporters money but the rewards could have been dramatic.

Keeping the team together along with an highly publicised promotion bid for 11/12 would have sent the right messages to the town and local business; possibly even wider sponsorship interest; I don't what League One money would be like; but it has got to be better than we're getting now. We've proven we can take on Premiership teams in the cup matches and win so it figures that we could have secured some much need funds from a few good runs; Can we do it this season with a depleted team? I think that would only happen if the club invests in John Coleman; but more importantly; if John Coleman can sustain what appears to be increasing disappointment. The only message that we have sent out this season is that we have failed to learn from our experience of previous seasons.

lancsdave 01-07-2011 21:19
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I seem to recall the same sentiments being expressed about Coley's interviews after the Stevenage games. He's still around though :)

cashman 01-07-2011 21:54
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Lets be honest Coley aint exactly a bundle of laughs when crap happens......Who Is? when the guy actually says or does summat, then i will take notice.

mab 02-07-2011 08:42
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just paper talk as usual!! I can understand JC been frustrated that last yrs team seem hell bent on moving on,Hell i'm frustrated and we don't need news papers to make thing worse than what they are:( in JOHN we trust keep the FAITH:) I BELIEVE

DAV007 02-07-2011 12:11
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he is waiting for a big job

mab 02-07-2011 12:33
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Originally Posted by DAV007 (Post 916175)
he is waiting for a big job
:) He's got one Dave re-building our team ;):)

VALAIRIAN 02-07-2011 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 915998)
It was depressing to watch and his body luggage as been quite subdued since the wages fiasco, however, I'd be surprised if he would ever leave of his own accord. I had personally hoped that Ilyas and the board would have advanced funds to keep as much of the team together and built upon it for a push on promotion in the 11/12 season. It should have been doable just on last seasons record alone. Yeah; it's not my or the supporters money but the rewards could have been dramatic.

Keeping the team together along with an highly publicised promotion bid for 11/12 would have sent the right messages to the town and local business; possibly even wider sponsorship interest; I don't what League One money would be like; but it has got to be better than we're getting now. We've proven we can take on Premiership teams in the cup matches and win so it figures that we could have secured some much need funds from a few good runs; Can we do it this season with a depleted team? I think that would only happen if the club invests in John Coleman; but more importantly; if John Coleman can sustain what appears to be increasing disappointment. The only message that we have sent out this season is that we have failed to learn from our experience of previous seasons.
Some valid stuff in there Doug, but I think the one thing that most/all people are forgetting about is.... The players!!! Nobody - not even King Coley - can make players stay if they want to go!!

An awful lot of stuff has gone on over the last 3 seasons, maybe, just maybe, enough was enough for some??? It may have been cash, but it may have been something else??

Just a thought :confused: :)

P.S. Not aimed at you, or anybody in specific Doug, just a reply to this thread :) :)

Revived Red 02-07-2011 14:00
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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 916177)
An awful lot of stuff has gone on over the last 3 seasons, maybe, just maybe, enough was enough for some??? It may have been cash, but it may have been something else??
The thing that worries me, Joe, is that there might STILL be stuff going on. The deafening silence following that Board meeting is a source of anxiety.

Doug 02-07-2011 15:18
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Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 916177)
Some valid stuff in there Doug, but I think the one thing that most/all people are forgetting about is.... The players!!! Nobody - not even King Coley - can make players stay if they want to go!!

An awful lot of stuff has gone on over the last 3 seasons, maybe, just maybe, enough was enough for some??? It may have been cash, but it may have been something else??

Just a thought :confused: :)

P.S. Not aimed at you, or anybody in specific Doug, just a reply to this thread :) :)

I've no problems with that Joe; to be honest you're most likely to be right. Something that's bothered me is the Play offs; it was like watching something out of a silent movie in places; neither match was attended by the team that played all season long; even the worst performances of the season didn't compare to those last two play off games.

One question I've asked myself is would things had been the same had we gone on to win.

All that said it's happened and there's always a chance that others will go. Whatever has happened over the last couple of months is now irrelevant. There's got to be investment this season in what Coley builds up for us and that team has got to perform better than the last if we are to make any form of progress; even survive in the league.

I have said before; at the end of the day Football teams are like Squadrons, Regiments and Ships company's you can wipe them out; retire them or deplete them; but always they survive, they rebuild, they cherish their Battle Honours; hold high their heroes, support each other and battle on in every adversity. Accrington Stanley; like them, Never Dies.

VALAIRIAN 02-07-2011 18:14
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.................I have said before; at the end of the day Football teams are like Squadrons, Regiments and Ships company's you can wipe them out; retire them or deplete them; but always they survive, they rebuild, they cherish their Battle Honours; hold high their heroes, support each other and battle on in every adversity. Accrington Stanley; like them, Never Dies...........

Agreed ;) :) :)

JEFF 04-07-2011 09:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 915998)
I had personally hoped that Ilyas and the board would have advanced funds to keep as much of the team together and built upon it for a push on promotion in the 11/12 season.


We've proven we can take on Premiership teams in the cup matches and win
Two questions Doug.

Where would you have hoped that Ilyas and the board would have advanced funds from ? - We have no funds.

Which Premiership teams have we proven we can take on and win ?

DAV007 04-07-2011 20:00
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DOUG - your living in a dream world.

the board are correct to minimise the wage budget to ensure the survival of trhe club.

fc:stanley 04-07-2011 20:11
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Use all this money to get a quality striker like Jeffers playing for us? Therefore attracting better players as we show a little bit of ambition?!

maccawozzagod 04-07-2011 21:25
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Agreed FC.

It would be a shame to break the wage structure (I use that very loosely mind) as it could upset other players. But now could be a great time to bring in some sort of marquee signing that signals some kind of intent from the club. As said on other threads the club has to somehow build on the positive end to the season and so far haven't shown any interest in doing so other than increasing the prices of everything.

I'm hoping this AGM thingy will be the catalyst for some big statements from Ilyas, but I'm also preparing for much of the same as the last few weeks.

SamF 05-07-2011 12:10
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Not for me, signing such as that would be a gimmick.

We shouldn't be relying on Illyas to provide the money for players, go down that route and we'll end up bust. Let's see if we can stand up before we start running.

Redraine 05-07-2011 13:25
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The sad fact is that EVERY single club needs a money man to progress, or even just to maintain the status quo. Without someone writing the big cheques we are never going to be able to hold on to our players. We will be stuck with having to re-invent the team from the bargain basement season after season. That's fine as long as we are content aiming to just retain our F.L. status, but John and Jimmy have repeatedly said they are ambitious to progress as far as possible up the footbal pyramid. That surely won't be possible at Accy unless Ilyas digs even deeper than he already has with such generosity. Or am I missing something? :(

maccawozzagod 05-07-2011 14:25
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if we are resigned to being a selling club every year then we need to do something about it quickly. We have been fortunate over the last couple of years that we have had some big games to prop up the ailing finances, play offs, Fulham and Newcastle must have put half a million into the club but where has it got us? The infrastructure is still poor, the ground is still poor and we still haven't got the funds to keep hold of our better players. The club still hasn't displayed any profits neither

We could be another half million better off with the "sale" of Ryan, Gornell and Cisak, can this money be put to use in a fashion that could provide us with future funding?

Once again I hope that the AGM will provide some clue as to how the future will pan out

Fourth official 05-07-2011 14:29
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We haven't heard much from the transparent one of late.As some have muted,thought after the board meeting we would have heard a little more.

cashman 05-07-2011 14:37
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Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 916752)
We haven't heard much from the transparent one of late.As some have muted,thought after the board meeting we would have heard a little more.
seems odd to me,none of the "Shareholders" who attended the meeting last week have said owt either.:confused: very strange imho.

Outback Ozzy 05-07-2011 14:55
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 916753)
seems odd to me,none of the "Shareholders" who attended the meeting last week have said owt either.:confused: very strange imho.
That would be because the shareholders are attending the AGM on the 29th July:eek::eek:

cashman 05-07-2011 15:14
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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 916755)
That would be because the shareholders are attending the AGM on the 29th July:eek::eek:
ah dummy cashy thought twas june 29th:o

Doug 05-07-2011 15:27
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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy (Post 916755)
That would be because the shareholders are attending the AGM on the 29th July:eek::eek:

Was there anything from the Board Meeting (was it last week). I thouht Peter was there to engage on behalf of the supporters via the ASSF

Doug 05-07-2011 15:27
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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 916750)
if we are resigned to being a selling club every year then we need to do something about it quickly. We have been fortunate over the last couple of years that we have had some big games to prop up the ailing finances, play offs, Fulham and Newcastle must have put half a million into the club but where has it got us? The infrastructure is still poor, the ground is still poor and we still haven't got the funds to keep hold of our better players. The club still hasn't displayed any profits neither

We could be another half million better off with the "sale" of Ryan, Gornell and Cisak, can this money be put to use in a fashion that could provide us with future funding?

Once again I hope that the AGM will provide some clue as to how the future will pan out
What I don't get is why we haven't looked beyond the end of the season and exploited the success of team on the pitch to encourage bigger gates and sponsors; we should have been screaming out to people: Look what we can do out of adversity. Come and watch build upon our success; be part of our history.

What do we do? "We're poor, we can't afford to keep what we've developed and we can only afford to maintain last seasons budget".

We should be banging on doors; get us on the TV. get those cameras on the sponsorship boards. Get industry on our side, Ticket bundles for small business, get people to sponsor a Tickets for Troops campaign; get the whole community engaged; how many ethnic/culture groups are represented. engage with people. try engaging with us as a starter project.

lancsdave 05-07-2011 15:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 916750)
Once again I hope that the AGM will provide some clue as to how the future will pan out
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 916752)
We haven't heard much from the transparent one of late.As some have muted,thought after the board meeting we would have heard a little more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916764)
Was there anything from the Board Meeting (was it last week). I thouht Peter was there to engage on behalf of the supporters via the ASSF

I'm only guessing here, but I think because the AGM has been called and is only a few weeks away the future of the club and the contents of the last board meeting are being kept to inform the shareholders first. I think given the recent past where the shareholders have effectively been the forgotten army that is probably the right thing to do on this occasion. It's a new start so maybe there is a bit more proffesionalism ?

JEFF 05-07-2011 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916765)
What I don't get is why we haven't looked beyond the end of the season and exploited the success of team on the pitch to encourage bigger gates and sponsors; we should have been screaming out to people: Look what we can do out of adversity. Come and watch build upon our success; be part of our history.

What do we do? "We're poor, we can't afford to keep what we've developed and we can only afford to maintain last seasons budget".

We should be banging on doors; get us on the TV. get those cameras on the sponsorship boards. Get industry on our side, Ticket bundles for small business, get people to sponsor a Tickets for Troops campaign; get the whole community engaged; how many ethnic/culture groups are represented. engage with people. try engaging with us as a starter project.
Who is there to do all that ? The bloke in charge is half way up Kilimanjaro. Who is running the Club whilst he is away ? Surely at this important time we should have our CEO available for transfer negotiating, etc

Chimer 05-07-2011 16:33
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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916765)
We should be banging on doors; get us on the TV. get those cameras on the sponsorship boards. Get industry on our side, Ticket bundles for small business, get people to sponsor a Tickets for Troops campaign; get the whole community engaged; how many ethnic/culture groups are represented. engage with people. try engaging with us as a starter project.
I agree "we" should be doing these things - but who is "we"? Rob is halfway down Kilimanjaro (which at least is good Google Page Ranking), Lew is busy with the shop (which people generally seem to think is doing well) so who exactly does that leave to do all these good, time-consuming things?

"Engaging with us" (i.e. the lunatics who live on this messageboard) might be one approach - but imho doing nothing does less harm than sparking off some bright idea and not following it through properly and professionally. There have been a few of those over the last few years :(.

And before anyone flames me, I do know people have offered their services in the past and been given a stiff ignoring.

I have no solution - I'm just prepared to keep hoping the corner has been turned. Maybe some of the things you list are going on in the background .....

OLDHAMADE 05-07-2011 21:49
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You were brilliant last season but that failure at the last hurdle created a shop window for all your best performers and when the higher league vultures start circling you have to take it on the chin that most will leave.
Same thing happened to Oldham except they got done both ways as the likes of Utd and Villa came in for players after cup meetings, Feeder clubs to the rich lot, That includes most clubs below Championship level :thumbsdow

lancsdave 05-07-2011 21:53
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Originally Posted by OLDHAMADE (Post 916863)
Feeder clubs to the rich lot,

It's tough to take but personally think thats a good thing, it's how British football survived without debt for years and money was shared down through the system before the advent of money being spent on foreign players.

Revived Red 05-07-2011 22:11
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 916865)
It's tough to take but personally think thats a good thing, it's how British football survived without debt for years and money was shared down through the system before the advent of money being spent on foreign players.
Yep, I fully agree. It was better for football generally and better for the players, too, because more good British talent could work its way to the highest levels.

cashman 05-07-2011 22:21
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 916865)
It's tough to take but personally think thats a good thing, it's how British football survived without debt for years and money was shared down through the system before the advent of money being spent on foreign players.
Tougher to take when yer younger i think? as yeh grow older i think theres more of n acceptance.

OLDHAMADE 05-07-2011 22:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 916865)
It's tough to take but personally think thats a good thing, it's how British football survived without debt for years and money was shared down through the system before the advent of money being spent on foreign players.
On the downside it means you're unlikely to be able to build on last season, Losing the likes of Ryan will leave a massive void that you'll struggle to fill.

cashman 05-07-2011 22:39
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Originally Posted by OLDHAMADE (Post 916879)
On the downside it means you're unlikely to be able to build on last season, Losing the likes of Ryan will leave a massive void that you'll struggle to fill.
Possibly, but wi coley as boss yeh never know.;)

DAV007 06-07-2011 03:10
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 916881)
Possibly, but wi coley as boss yeh never know.;)
exactly.

he found gems such as ryan, craney, symes, grant, mcconville, etc

and im sure he will find plenty more.


Is it not the case we have to wait for interest from other clubs to cool on players before we can start to talk with them seriously about signing
?
My theory is most other clubs can offer significantly bigger wages. When they are no longer interested, players will be willling to sign for us for less.

MikeA 06-07-2011 09:21
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Transfer now on Oldham's site:
Oldham Athletic | News | News Update | News Update | KEEPER CISAK SIGNS FOR LATICS
:(

It says a compensation package has been agreed.

cashman 06-07-2011 09:32
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very sad,but expected.:(

Whalley Red 06-07-2011 09:45
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At least that saga is over and (hopefully) we can now concentrate on the players that are staying and the players that want to play for Stanley :)

However, is there any news on the players that agreed to sign and those that would allegedly do it in the "next few days", i.e. McConville & Barnett?

With just one director based in the area, this really was very poor timing for the CEO to go AWOL on charity business IMO :ohmy8:

cashman 06-07-2011 09:56
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Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 916949)
At least that saga is over and (hopefully) we can now concentrate on the players that are staying and the players that want to play for Stanley :)

However, is there any news on the players that agreed to sign and those that would allegedly do it in the "next few days", i.e. McConville & Barnett?

With just one director based in the area, this really was very poor timing for the CEO to go AWOL on charity business IMO :ohmy8:
Whilst away on a wonderful cause, matter of priorities imho.:eek:

Revived Red 06-07-2011 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 916949)
However, is there any news on the players that agreed to sign and those that would allegedly do it in the "next few days", i.e. McConville & Barnett?
Very good question. I did comment earlier on the negative aspect of the fishy site which was reporting all the departures. Dan replied by saying that he was awaiting confirmation of the actual signings so it seems that we still await that confirmation.

lancsdave 06-07-2011 10:09
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I don't think Rob being away will affect any signings. He's not incommunicado and I don't think he sits there actually typing up the paperwork. I reckon JC is probably the one who discusses the terms with the players.

Doug 06-07-2011 10:45
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I don't that Rob being away would impact on anything regarding the players or local communication. Regardless of the past; Rob as undertaken a major feat in the name of what is a very remarkable organisation and as done so in the name of Accrington Stanley and the Football League. I think he and those who worked to organise the event deserve better than negative comments about his being away. The whole Club should be behind this guy and the cause he's worked so hard for; at the end of the day he's very much done this to heighten the name of the club at large and should have our respect for that.

JEFF 06-07-2011 11:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916959)
I don't that Rob being away would impact on anything regarding the players or local communication. Regardless of the past; Rob as undertaken a major feat in the name of what is a very remarkable organisation and as done so in the name of Accrington Stanley and the Football League. I think he and those who worked to organise the event deserve better than negative comments about his being away. The whole Club should be behind this guy and the cause he's worked so hard for; at the end of the day he's very much done this to heighten the name of the club at large and should have our respect for that.
I think we are all behind him and the cause he is working for and I think he does have our respect, but it is the timing of the event. Who is running the Club in his absence ? Who is chasing sponsors for the ground ? Who is chasing sponsors for next season's games ? Who is negotiating with Oldham, Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury reagarding compensation ? All these things need to be done professionally. Do we have another professional based at the Club who can handle these things or are they just being left until Rob returns ?

Wynonie Harris 06-07-2011 11:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalley Red (Post 916949)
However, is there any news on the players that agreed to sign and those that would allegedly do it in the "next few days", i.e. McConville & Barnett?
The rumour down here is that Stockport are after McConville. :(

AccyMad 06-07-2011 11:41
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 916965)
The rumour down here is that Stockport are after McConville. :(
Can't honestly see Sean dropping to the conference, & to a club who have had similar financial difficulties as ourselves - also Stockport have just appointed an ex-red as manager & Sean is definately a blue - but stranger things have happened :rolleyes:

Doug 06-07-2011 11:56
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Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 916963)
I think we are all behind him and the cause he is working for and I think he does have our respect, but it is the timing of the event. Who is running the Club in his absence ? Who is chasing sponsors for the ground ? Who is chasing sponsors for next season's games ? Who is negotiating with Oldham, Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury reagarding compensation ? All these things need to be done professionally. Do we have another professional based at the Club who can handle these things or are they just being left until Rob returns ?
Come on Jeff; I'm sure that the club doesn’t stands on Rob's shoulders alone, if it did the guy would be walking about in a straight jacket. Surly provision would have been made for the absence; which is only a short period after all. I can't see Rob being the sole party to be making decisions and agreements at Stanley; I think the club is very, very much top down outside of the day to day graft.

harwood red 06-07-2011 12:07
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Just remember it is club secretary that deals with all the signings/rubberstamping, so I am sure that Coley/player or agent agrees the deal, paperwork prepared and overseen by Hannah. I am sure Coley will have had his remit he can work with so it prob wouldn't need ok'ing by anyone else but if it does I am sure Ilyas is contactable

cashman 06-07-2011 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916959)
I don't that Rob being away would impact on anything regarding the players or local communication. Regardless of the past; Rob as undertaken a major feat in the name of what is a very remarkable organisation and as done so in the name of Accrington Stanley and the Football League. I think he and those who worked to organise the event deserve better than negative comments about his being away. The whole Club should be behind this guy and the cause he's worked so hard for; at the end of the day he's very much done this to heighten the name of the club at large and should have our respect for that.
bull don't see this at all, it aint negative to question priorities,when fans are in the dark.

Doug 06-07-2011 12:20
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 916970)
bull don't see this at all, it aint negative to question priorities,when fans are in the dark.
Just one opinion cashy; anyway, we should be use to it. We've always been in the dark and it's no different today than it was last season or the two before that and on. :)

cashman 06-07-2011 12:36
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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 916973)
Just one opinion cashy; anyway, we should be use to it. We've always been in the dark and it's no different today than it was last season or the two before that and on. :)
True, but i was hoping fer better now, perhaps stupidity is setting in wi me.:D

Doug 06-07-2011 12:43
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 916974)
True, but i was hoping fer better now, perhaps stupidity is setting in wi me.:D
I don't think so cashy; :D we all agree that fans/supporters are the life blood of any club, but at the end of the day we are also a means to an end and in that respect; transparency and openness only extends to what we need to know; not what we want to know. Just a point of view. :)

JEFF 06-07-2011 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 916969)
Just remember it is club secretary that deals with all the signings/rubberstamping, so I am sure that Coley/player or agent agrees the deal, paperwork prepared and overseen by Hannah. I am sure Coley will have had his remit he can work with so it prob wouldn't need ok'ing by anyone else but if it does I am sure Ilyas is contactable
According to the returns sent to Companies House, Secretary Hannah Bailey's appointment was terminated on 6th January 2010

JEFF 06-07-2011 13:04
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 916965)
The rumour down here is that Stockport are after McConville. :(
Stockport are reported to have had a £100,000 bid for Bury striker Ryan Lowe rejected, and have also had an offer for Accrington's Sean McConville rejected following yesterday's cash injection.

maccawozzagod 06-07-2011 13:28
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if the offer is anywhere near 100k then grab it and turn the lights off before they come back!

cashman 06-07-2011 13:37
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 916978)
if the offer is anywhere near 100k then grab it and turn the lights off before they come back!
:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: nice one.

lancsdave 06-07-2011 14:06
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Says compensation package agreed for Cisak so somebody is making decisions somewhere

cashman 06-07-2011 14:28
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 916980)
Says compensation package agreed for Cisak so somebody is making decisions somewhere
That answers a question then,simple as.:) sad to see a good keeper go, but happy they got dosh fer one who cost nowt.

yerself 06-07-2011 14:46
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Stockport County - County Bid For Trio

Highly-rated Accrington Stanley midfielder Sean McConville, 22, is training with County at Manor Farm ahead of a proposed transfer - in the region of £70-90k.

That do you Maccawozzagod?

AccyMad 06-07-2011 14:55
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Why would Sean bother turning up for pre-season training last week & then be training with County this week - doesn't make sense?? (Knew I shouldn't have given him a kiss when I gave him his award on presentation evening - probably frightened the poor lad off :) )

lancsdave 06-07-2011 15:00
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 916989)
Why would Sean bother turning up for pre-season training last week & then be training with County this week - doesn't make sense?? (Knew I shouldn't have given him a kiss when I gave him his award on presentation evening - probably frightened the poor lad off :) )
Maybe he hoped Stanley might offer him a better deal ?

Don't know why they say a bid has been turned down, if he hasn't signed a contract then he can't be transferred, do you think they mean a compensation package hasn't been agreed :)

maccawozzagod 06-07-2011 15:07
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 916987)
Stockport County - County Bid For Trio

Highly-rated Accrington Stanley midfielder Sean McConville, 22, is training with County at Manor Farm ahead of a proposed transfer - in the region of £70-90k.

That do you Maccawozzagod?

90k seems to be a good Return on Investment on a player who widely divides opinion. Granted he had a much improved season just gone but I don't htink he will fulfill the potential that he was touted to have when we signed him. Many people think he would have struggled to play had he not been 'family'.

But having said that, he is on a Bosman, we havae played him a lot and can be said to have developed him way beyond what we got from Skem, he was offered a new improved contract so we could in theory hold out for a higher ransom. If other clubs are in for him (highly rated?) I'd start the auction at 70k and get him a packed lunch ready.

For what its worth I like him as a player, but I dont see that there is much more to come from him and anywhere around 100k sounds a good figure to swell the coffers. Whilst we're having our annual jumble sale we might as well make it a good 'un

yerself 06-07-2011 15:28
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Whatever everyone's opinion is on the latest comings and goings at least we'll have a club to watch this coming season. Yet another club bites the dust.
Demise of the Diamonds - where did it all go wrong?
BBC Sport - Demise of the Diamonds - where did it all go wrong?

Also on the Beeb site about uncle Jimmy's nephew.
Stockport County make bids for Lowe, McConville & Vardy
BBC Sport - Stockport County make bids for Lowe, McConville & Vardy

smudgie 06-07-2011 16:54
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Nail on the head there from macca!

katei77 06-07-2011 16:59
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 916989)
Why would Sean bother turning up for pre-season training last week & then be training with County this week - doesn't make sense?? (Knew I shouldn't have given him a kiss when I gave him his award on presentation evening - probably frightened the poor lad off :) )
He trained with stanley yesterday it was the players day off today

Redraine 06-07-2011 17:31
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 916987)
Stockport County - County Bid For Trio

Highly-rated Accrington Stanley midfielder Sean McConville, 22, is training with County at Manor Farm ahead of a proposed transfer - in the region of £70-90k.
That do you Maccawozzagod?
Re-arrange these words into a well-known phrase or saying:-
Off....hands.....their...snap.:)

VALAIRIAN 06-07-2011 19:16
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 916994)
........90k seems to be a good Return on Investment on a player who widely divides opinion. Granted he had a much improved season just gone but I don't htink he will fulfill the potential that he was touted to have when we signed him. Many people think he would have struggled to play had he not been 'family'.

................
There was a big "Sell on" fee if I remember correctly????

:confused: :) :)

Larry Lobster 06-07-2011 19:35
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
I'm a bit surprised at some of the stick Sean McConville receives on this forum. It may be a case that he won't be appreciated until he's gone. Take away his contribution of 12 goals last season and a mid table finish would have been on offer. In all the games i saw, he never gave less than 100% and was certainly the most likely midfielder to come up with a goal.

Redraine 06-07-2011 19:39
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Lobster (Post 917039)
I'm a bit surprised at some of the stick Sean McConville receives on this forum. It may be a case that he won't be appreciated until he's gone. Take away his contribution of 12 goals last season and a mid table finish would have been on offer. In all the games i saw, he never gave less than 100% and was certainly the most likely midfielder to come up with a goal.
Ho, ho, ho! I'm not being drawn on that.:D

smudgie 06-07-2011 19:46
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
I wouldent say he gets lots of stick, ill reserve that for John Miles.

We all saw a massive improvement last season, but I feel its a good price for him!

cashman 06-07-2011 20:07
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Lobster (Post 917039)
I'm a bit surprised at some of the stick Sean McConville receives on this forum. It may be a case that he won't be appreciated until he's gone. Take away his contribution of 12 goals last season and a mid table finish would have been on offer. In all the games i saw, he never gave less than 100% and was certainly the most likely midfielder to come up with a goal.
whilst he certainly improved last season,no doubt, Symes n Grants n Kees contributions were taken away from us, start of the season n many thought we would struggle, funny old game.;):D

VALAIRIAN 06-07-2011 20:16
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 917041)
Ho, ho, ho! I'm not being drawn on that.:D
Go on RR.... :D :D :D

football19 06-07-2011 20:19
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Alan,your spot on with sean mac.There are a lot of posters who dont rate him,basically because hes not a grafter and doesnt kick defenders up in the air.
He is a long way off being the finished article,but he is a good player and willing learner.( as his goals this season have proved) and his touch is up there with the best.
Incidently,hes rated as the best finisher in the club and i predict a bright future,if he goes i wish him well,plus it takes some bottle to play for relatives team in any standard of football,never mind league 2 standard.
PS; over the last two years of watching Acci,not once have i ever heard the "stanley ultras" critise one of there own players !!!,older fans ,take note of this

cashman 06-07-2011 20:30
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 917053)
PS; over the last two years of watching Acci,not once have i ever heard the "stanley ultras" critise one of there own players !!!,older fans ,take note of this
what a load of crap.:rolleyes: or yer deaf n i thought my lugs were bad.

mab 06-07-2011 20:42
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 917036)
There was a big "Sell on" fee if I remember correctly????

:confused: :) :)
Correct Joe!! 35% sell fee on and heres the link.. Deal was not ideal - Skelmersdale Advertiser

cashman 06-07-2011 20:46
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mab (Post 917058)
Correct Joe!! 35% sell fee on and heres the link.. Deal was not ideal - Skelmersdale Advertiser
Can't knock it, good bit of business fer skem.:eek:

Redraine 06-07-2011 20:51
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN (Post 917052)
Go on RR.... :D :D :D
I'll let you do it. You once told me to my face that you were his biggest critic. On you go, then!:D

yerself 06-07-2011 20:57
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine
Re-arrange these words into a well-known phrase or saying:-
Off....hands.....their...snap.:)
Only their hands? I'd go all the way up to the shoulder.:D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Lobster
he never gave less than 100%
100% what?

I like the bit from the article in the Skem Advertiser, which mab linked to, where Skelmersdale's chairman complains about Stanley.

He added: “Whether you are lowly Skem United or Accrington Stanley, you are still affiliated to a respective football association, and all have to abide by the same rules - the difference here is one is a big club and the other a small one.

mab 06-07-2011 20:58
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 917059)
Can't knock it, good bit of business fer skem.:eek:
not bad at all cashy..one thing puzzles me is why is sean out of contract:confused: signed by stanley 2/2/09 on a 18month contract,which takes him to 2/9/10 wouldn't sean have signed a 12month contract on the back of this which would take him to 2/9/11 and not the end of june or am i missing something:confused::confused:

football19 06-07-2011 21:04
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
mab,most contracts normally expire at the end of june,the length depends on when they sign

football19 06-07-2011 21:08
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Cashy i must be deaf then !!!,Does any ultras post on here??,as i truly cant recall any song/chants etc..- maybe jason etc can confirm this

cashman 06-07-2011 21:12
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by football19 (Post 917066)
Cashy i must be deaf then !!!,Does any ultras post on here??,as i truly cant recall any song/chants etc..- maybe jason etc can confirm this
yeh never hear songs/chants calling yer own at any ground by any set of fans, least not that i ever heard, yeh didn't say that, yeh said yeh never heard any ultras calling em in 2 yrs, world of difference.;)

dabeast 06-07-2011 21:50
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
A sell on clause would only apply if we sold Sean. It would not apply to a Bosman compensation fee, would it??????

cashman 06-07-2011 22:02
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dabeast (Post 917076)
A sell on clause would only apply if we sold Sean. It would not apply to a Bosman compensation fee, would it??????
good question my guess would be it would apply.:confused:

VALAIRIAN 07-07-2011 05:15
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redraine (Post 917062)
I'll let you do it. You once told me to my face that you were his biggest critic. On you go, then!:D
I said one of his biggest and I have called him plenty in my time!!!!! :D :D :D The almost open goal at Stevenage, will be the last thing I remember about him.... And getting himself sent off in the second leg!!!!!!!!!


We will have to find somebody else to disagree about come August ;) :tongueout :D :D :D

P.S. He scored some cracking goals last season!!

new red 07-07-2011 06:04
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Lobster (Post 917039)
I'm a bit surprised at some of the stick Sean McConville receives on this forum. It may be a case that he won't be appreciated until he's gone. Take away his contribution of 12 goals last season and a mid table finish would have been on offer. In all the games i saw, he never gave less than 100% and was certainly the most likely midfielder to come up with a goal.
I must have been watching different games to you then. Many occasions especially the last couple of games Mc Conville didnt look interested and contributed very little to the games. Especially games that had a strong side. Granted he has improved but lets face it he got much more chance than some and he is way far from the finished article.

maccawozzagod 07-07-2011 08:08
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Sean got off to a bad start fer me because he was played wide in a 4-4-2 system and got a bucket load more chances than Turner. I think I'll agree with the comments that Sean is a more technical player and has a good first touch, but I want exciting falir players on the wing - Turner was and Sean wasn't. Yet game after game went by and the status quo remained. Had Chris played 30 odd games in each of the last two seasons then I have no doubt that we would be moaning at him having sodded off to another club, the difference being that it would be a bigger club for a bigger fee.

Long time red 07-07-2011 08:47
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
The reports on Sky mentioned Stockport being interested in both Sean £70k and Ryan Lowe £100k. The official Bury website says that an offer
as been received which was much less than the one quoted and was dismissed as being derisory. I would expect the "derisory" offer made for Lowe to be much higher than the one made for Sean, therefore £70k is
perhaps not a realistic figure.

maccawozzagod 07-07-2011 09:22
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Club Confirms Lowe bid
Posted on: Wed 06 Jul 2011Following various reports in the media this morning, the club can confirm that we have received a bid from an un-named club for Ryan Lowe, however, we wish to state that the bid was a lot less than has been reported and the board of directors have dismissed the offer as totally derisory.


just been reading page after page on The Football Forum regarding Stockport. It seems they have been taken over by a guy with well known Merseyside Gangster links and has said publicy that "if Stephen Vaughan wants to get involved he has my number". Vaughan was the guy who killed Chester and Widnes and tried to get in with Wrexham until he was chased out of town. He also held minutes silences for a drug runner who was shot in a drive by in Bootle.

Vaughan began his ownership of Chester with ridiculous 100k bids for Gregg Blundell and Kevin Ellison (both accepted). Evans has begun his ownership of Stockport with ridiculous bids for Lowe and McConville.


The writing is on the wall for County.

maccawozzagod 07-07-2011 09:27
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Long time red (Post 917111)
The reports on Sky mentioned Stockport being interested in both Sean £70k and Ryan Lowe £100k. The official Bury website says that an offer
as been received which was much less than the one quoted and was dismissed as being derisory. I would expect the "derisory" offer made for Lowe to be much higher than the one made for Sean, therefore £70k is
perhaps not a realistic figure.
despite being the League 2 leading goalscorer last year, Lowe is practically a pensioner and has hardly set the world on fire in his last 15 years as a lower league professional. He has no sell on value.

McConville is a young, hungry, die for the cause winger cum striker with a deadly eye for goal. His finishing ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous and his mazy dribbles leave defenders trailing in his wake. He is fit and has no history of injury trouble. He is the ultimate professional and has 15 years in front of him with unlimited future transfer value. Well, that's the story we are sticking to! :tongueout

AccyMad 07-07-2011 10:07
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 917120)
Club Confirms Lowe bid
Posted on: Wed 06 Jul 2011Following various reports in the media this morning, the club can confirm that we have received a bid from an un-named club for Ryan Lowe, however, we wish to state that the bid was a lot less than has been reported and the board of directors have dismissed the offer as totally derisory.


just been reading page after page on The Football Forum regarding Stockport. It seems they have been taken over by a guy with well known Merseyside Gangster links and has said publicy that "if Stephen Vaughan wants to get involved he has my number". Vaughan was the guy who killed Chester and Widnes and tried to get in with Wrexham until he was chased out of town. He also held minutes silences for a drug runner who was shot in a drive by in Bootle.

Vaughan began his ownership of Chester with ridiculous 100k bids for Gregg Blundell and Kevin Ellison (both accepted). Evans has begun his ownership of Stockport with ridiculous bids for Lowe and McConville.


The writing is on the wall for County.
Sounds like they could have jumped out of the frying pan & right into the fire - anyone who has links with Vaughan's got to be dodgy.

Tin Monkey 07-07-2011 11:10
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 917129)
Sounds like they could have jumped out of the frying pan & right into the fire - anyone who has links with Vaughan's got to be dodgy.
Wasn't EW one of those links? ;)

mab 07-07-2011 11:45
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
More from the papers click on the links... McConville Set To Sign
Accrington Stanley reject 'derisory' McConville bid

JEFF 07-07-2011 12:35
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 917121)
despite being the League 2 leading goalscorer last year, Lowe is practically a pensioner and has hardly set the world on fire in his last 15 years as a lower league professional. He has no sell on value.

McConville is a young, hungry, die for the cause winger cum striker with a deadly eye for goal. His finishing ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous and his mazy dribbles leave defenders trailing in his wake. He is fit and has no history of injury trouble. He is the ultimate professional and has 15 years in front of him with unlimited future transfer value. Well, that's the story we are sticking to! :tongueout
You forgot to add that he is also a fans' favourite

Fourth official 07-07-2011 12:54
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Looks like Stockport could have a difficult decision over there new fans' favourite !! :rolleyes:

Stockport County - Hatters Agree Deals With Trio

lancsdave 07-07-2011 12:56
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Do you think because it's the nearest ground to the Mersey they think it's in Liverpool ? :D

Tin Monkey 07-07-2011 12:57
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fourth official (Post 917175)
Looks like Stockport could have a difficult decision over there new fans' favourite !! :rolleyes:

Stockport County - Hatters Agree Deals With Trio
Would you 'bet' on the third choice? :D

cashman 07-07-2011 13:25
Re: Coley to quit over Cisak
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 917177)
Would you 'bet' on the third choice? :D
Or could their be a "Dark Horse" in wi Evans? rather than the soon to be released jailbird.:D


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