Re: Coleman
 

Perhaps Coley's been offered a budget to loot Stanley of key players ?

Re: Coleman
 

All I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart to John and to Jimmy. The latter we haven't yet heard about, but will presumably follow.

We shall be forever in your debt.

That is all.

Re: Coleman
 

Me and my lad more than most for there assistance and believe in his development----top class--thankyou

Re: Coleman
 

Hard to imagine Stanley without Coleman and Bell, very sad day for the club. I always thought they would go to a big club if and when they left, Rochdale is a bit of a gobsmacker.

Still, their achievements have been nothing but exemplary and I'm sure they'll always be remembered amongst Accrington's finest. Wish them the best for the future.

Re: Coleman
 

Absolute shame they are going, he has done the club proud over the last years. Good luck in the new job

Re: Coleman
 

I'm stunned to the core. It's like a bereavement.

Good Luck Coley, and thanks for all the great things you've done at the club.

On Stanley On!!!

Re: Coleman
 

The loss of Coleman is akin to the loss of Galbraith - he knew the market for young Liverpudlian talent like Galbraith knew the Scottish. Like Galbraith Coleman is for that reason irreplaceable and I fear for the consequences for our club.

Re: Coleman
 

Re: Coleman
 

Just to let you know the latest.
Terms agreed between our two clubs. Coleman to be unveiled as Dale manager tomorrow at 2-00pm.
Rochdale | News | Latest News | Latest News | Latest managerial update

Re: Coleman
 

:( Nowt on fishy site :(

Re: Coleman
 

If yeh think that Haggis yeh had better be changing yer signature.:confused:we died in 62, aint gonna happen again,keep the faith.

Re: Coleman
 

well while we are comparing Galbraith and Coleman;

Galbraith built his successful teams around his fellow countrymen. His successful period did not produce the healthy bank accounts that the directors required and so they felt economy measures were necessary. Galbraith disagreed and so tendered his resignation.

Coleman built his successful teams around his fellow countrymen. His successful period did not produce the healthy bank accounts that the directors required so they felt economy measures were necessary. Coleman disagreed and so went to the next place that offered a job.

Coleman has long said that whilse the club remains ambitious there is a job still to do, but only on saturday said that if the sum total of the ambition was League 2 then we might as well still be in the Unibond.

In a quiky twist of almost fate, Galbraith's next job was at Bradford (would have been if they weren't such a small club as to not afford the compo) where he remained until he went to Tranmere Rovers.

Re: Coleman
 

ha, even better potential similarities between the two!!!!


Galbraith was replaced by George Eastham who at the time was managing an Irish club where he had taken them from the doldrums to European Cup status within 5 years!

I wonder if we know anyone with the same status ....

Re: Coleman
 

I know where you're coming from Macca....It's taken me all day to come to terms with this news...It really does suggest that he'd finally had enough of firefighting at Stanley and finally felt the time was right to move on......

We haven't backed him enough....It would have jarred anybody off, no end ,to continually have to re-build a squad every close season....I wish if only we'd have given Coley a little leeway. A few quid extra on the wagebill (league rules etc permitting ) a few quid to go and spend on an up and coming starlet from non-league....Losing Proccy probably was " the straw that broke the camels back" so to speak......:(

And Why, O Why, do we chose to continually do our business behind closed doors so to speak....by that I mean all these "undisclosed fees" received???? Am I right in saying that the only transfer from recent years that we've disclosed exactly what we've received is from Ryan going to Scunthorpe??? When the Tribunal HAD to release details of the transfer!!!!:confused:

Does anybody on here seriously think the compensation package ( if and when it's finally agreed ) will be anything different???? :confused:

To me it's only relevant to do such a deal if we're actually going to use the money to buy new players.:mad:(or even go after a manager,who we might have to pay compensation for and with half an idea how to spend such money) If we're not going to spend the money we're getting, what are all these "undisclosed fees" hiding?????

To me at least, If it comes out again that Coley, possibly Bell (and whoever else Coley chooses to take to Spotland ) That we've accepted an undisclosed fee for their services....It's sending out the wrong message to any prospective replacement....i.e. " we're potless and ain't got any money to back a new man":mad:

Just how many of these "undisclosed fees" have we accepted in the last couple of years???? Transarency required...Let's give any applicants for the positions ( which will be a very, very tough acts to follow of the previous occupiers of said positions) a chance!!!

I fear that we're at that line in the sand now...we all knew it would come one day, but one wrong move now and 12 years of hard work can go down the pan in the next eighteen months!!:(

Re: Coleman
 

Add to that the fact that we couldn't be bothered to cover the pitch pre Barnet. Coley must have been fuming. Good luck John and Jimmy, I hope you will get the support you deserve from your new bosses. It must be a heady feeling to join what must seem like a Premiership club by comparison.

Re: Coleman
 

Thats summat that bugs me Carpon!!! the transparency spoken about,after the takeover was mentioned by quite a few of em. Where the hell is it?:(:(

Re: Coleman
 

We are now in the age of TRANSPARENCY so there should not be any "undisclosed fees". The transfer fee we received for Proccy should be made public, and especially, the compensation received from Rochdale for Coley should be made public. The only reason I can think of that these amounts are "undisclosed" is that the management do not want to feel embarrassed by the small amounts accepted. So come on Ilyas or Peter Shaw or Rob Houseman or Peter Marsden, be transparent and let us know how much we have received.

Re: Coleman
 

This :alright:

Re: Coleman
 

Proccy to preston £75k with add ons:( and that anit come from stanley either!!

Re: Coleman
 

Usually reliable source(s) Mark? ;)

Re: Coleman
 

[quote=maccawozzagod;964656]well while we are comparing Galbraith and Coleman;

Galbraith built his successful teams around his fellow countrymen. His successful period did not produce the healthy bank accounts that the directors required and so they felt economy measures were necessary. Galbraith disagreed and so tendered his resignation.

Coleman built his successful teams around his fellow countrymen. His successful period did not produce the healthy bank accounts that the directors required so they felt economy measures were necessary. Coleman disagreed and so went to the next place that offered a job.
quote]

But a big difference is that Galbraith's successsful period brought in big crowds. Those crowds at today's prices would have produced healthy bank accounts. The general population of Accy just don't seem to have it in them to support a town team, even when it's doing well. That could be another factor persuading JC it was time to go (or at any rate not persuading him to stay).

Re: Coleman
 

[QUOTE=Chimer;964794]Big difference today mate "All" clubs had much larger gates back then, Rovers were averaging oer 30.000, Football was cheap enough fer Dad to take the kids.;)

Re: Coleman
 

[quote=Chimer;964794]Don't reckon the 6000-9000+ gates of the Galbraith era are a realistic proposition for a club like Stanley these days, Chimer. As Cashy says, crowds were bigger generally back then. Also, the population of Accy has shrunk by about 10,000. Then there's the lost generations who went elsewhere post-'62 and handed that on to their kids. Only nutters like thee and me carried on going to Peel Park! ;)

However, having said that, I would've felt that the advent of Ilyas and the on-field success of the last season and a half would've pushed average gates over the 2,000 mark. The fact that they haven't may have persuaded Coley that he's banging his head against a brick wall!

Re: Coleman
 

Yeah Wyn, that's the point I was trying to make - even getting to the playoffs last season didn't seem to excite many people or create much of a buzz. The Newcastle Carling Cup game was a great atmosphere, fair enough, but neither that nor Fulham in the FA Cup was a home sell out. And the roof didn't do it ... what do people want!!

Re: Coleman
 

Ewood Park...Turf Moor...Man U v Chelsea in the pub. :(

Re: Coleman
 

in the lancashire post it said around 75 grand for procter

Re: Coleman
 

A thank you from our club.
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Re: Coleman
 

Just read that, nice touch Dale.

Really hope Coley and Bell keep them up !

Plus we join them up there next season ;)

Re: Coleman
 

I disagree.

Disclosing the fees could lead to other clubs having us over a barrel for the amount they demand for players/their manager.

I think there's a line to be drawn between transparency and keeping the club's business in house.

Re: Coleman
 

I disagree Shaky. We know that Rochdale received £265k for Alan Knill - I bet we didn't get that for Coleman. A quick google will also probably reveal how much compo they paid Steve Eyre when they sacked him in December (3 1/2yr contract remaining).

We could find out how much Preston received for their last transfer out and safely bet that we didn't get that for Procter.

Its hardly the top of the Premiership and knowing a club is awash with coin because they've moved a big name on.

My thoughts are that with tiny clubs like us we feel like it is us that are constantly being 'encouraged' to have that extra pint, or a flutter on the half time draw. It is who shake and then fill the buckets when we need it. Granted its not as much as IK has put in but thats the feel behind a community club. When figures are undisclosed it gives the cloak and dagger impression.

On the other hand I know people who still think we have the Brett Ormerod money to spend ... :p

Re: Coleman
 

Looks like Coley's first signing could be Kevin Long?

Re: Coleman
 

It could also be that the club forking out have asked for the fee to be undisclosed.

The figure will be in the accounts anyway won't it ?

Re: Coleman
 

I do understand why people would wish to know the fees involved - especially when the non-disclosure of financial items lead us to such ruin in past times - I just don't feel it's necessary to disclose this information.

For me, the club is perfectly ok to keep things like this under wraps and keep it as the club's business. It's not like any amount obtained would justify the loss. But yes, I understand the points put forward in the thread. I just don't feel that way.

edit: Dave makes a good point above; we may not be able to disclose the information at the moment anyway. As long as the year end accounts are delivered on time and we're not down the court house, I'm happy.

Re: Coleman
 

Knill was Bury's manager.
Eyre wasn't on a 3 1/2 year contract.

Re: Coleman
 

no-one likes a clever arse :p

Re: Coleman
 

Well explain to me why most other clubs disclose fees etc, granted not all fees, but we never seem to disclose any? Theres the difference to me.

Re: Coleman
 

;)

As for undisclosed fee's, I cant remember the last time we had a 'disclosed' fee at Dale. Seems to be the thing these days, especially for lower league clubs like ours. I think there may be some truth in the suggestion that clubs dont want other clubs to know.

Re: Coleman
 

It's slightly misleading anyway when the fee is disclosed. Many people would assume it's an instant payment but football transfer fees are usually spread out anyway, 12 months/2 years being fairly common. Maybe thats why lower league teams tend to say undisclosed, you're never going to know how much you're getting until you got it :)

Re: Coleman
 

One of the things that struck me today whilst talking to people at work about the last 48 hours was the adversity that our little club faces but yet still functions a lot can be put down to John & Jimmy but great credit must also go to those people from the top of the Club down to the all the volunteers who give their time freely, as well as us the fans who support the Club through thick & thin it gave me a great feeling and a new depth to the meaning of "Community Club" for me.

Whatever the next twist or turn I am proud to say I support Accrington Stanley:)

Re: Coleman
 

your right pendle, stanley wouldnt have survived due to these people dedicating hard work and time .lets not forget the unsung heroes in these hard pressed times.paid and unpaid they are alll heroes in my eyes.the volunteers who helped clear pitches,sell programmes collect gate money the dedicated staff at the club.

Re: Coleman
 

Two things.

1. A big thank-you to all the people who run, work and volunteer at Stanley. Many thanks for making my match day experience what it is.

2. As far as money is concerned, there are more advantages to keeping it quiet than making it public. It commercially sensitive information. How would it really help if the fans knew the compensation paid for John and Jimmy. It might be nice to know, but If I knew, how would that really help the club? It would be more useful to another club or an agent advising another club on a transfer fee or a player negotiating terms. Therefore better to keep it quiet. As far as a new manager is concerned, at interview if the club are serious about a candidate, it may be important to discuss if any or no money is available for player wages or fees. But the candidate would be told that information in confidence and only if the club are serious about the candidate. Therefore I agree with Shaker.

Re: Coleman
 

Just a thought wonder if John and Jimmy might return to the Stanley sooner than we think i.e. our Lancs senior cup semi final against Wigan on the 7th of Feb. Would be good to give them a proper Stanley send off.

Re: Coleman
 

After feeling quite down at the beginning of the week, after some time for reflection, I feel quite excited about the future now.

Remember, when Coleman first came to Stanley he had little management credibility and he was still learning his trade in that department. Whilst it's true he worked on small budgets in recent years, during his early years at the club he wasn't exactly starved for cash and he was financially supported in many of his transfer desires by the then Chairman.

It's time to move on now and I think it may be the opportunity for another up-and-coming manager to work their magic. Maybe Coleman was tired of 'fire fighting' constantly at Stanley and it's good he's moved on? I can't blame him. Maybe new blood will rejuvenate the Stanley experience? I think it's exciting to think what may be to come. :)

One thing's for certain, it won't be dull!

Re: Coleman
 

Re: Coleman
 

the end of an era.
Ive had 2 names mentioned to me who are interested in the job.
Roy Evans and paul Ince.

Re: Coleman
 

Re: Coleman
 

:confused::confused::eek::eek::end:

Re: Coleman
 

Think Acci should be looking for managers on the"up" and not on the "down" spiral.
I just dont buy into this "you have to be "experienced" mode of thinking.
If thats the case,just fill the team full of journeymen.
Sooner try a Eddie Howe type of manager,up and coming,and full of bright ideas

Re: Coleman
 

Those in charge now,will hopefully step up to the Mark, As fer INCE hes in the "Westley" category.:(

Re: Coleman
 

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Re: Coleman
 

im not saying give them the job, merely pointing out they want it and are hungry to prove themselves.
Personally, i would like the new manager to sign romy boco as player/coach.

Re: Coleman
 

why?

Re: Coleman
 

Paul Ince is 'interested' in every job that comes up - trouble is once he gets one he can't hold on to it for very long because, to put it mildly, he's not very good - as well as being a complete banker & top class maker of pancakes

Re: Coleman
 

Agreed, 100%!

Re: Coleman
 

Can someone give me a good reason why anyone should be tried? until after the season ends if needed.:confused:

Re: Coleman
 

The old 'Boot room Anfield' approach could be adopted,didn't do them much harm,until they changed it!! lol

Re: Coleman
 

Barca model springs to mind.They interviewed Jose M,who came across very well,but still went for the "B" team coach (Pep G),hes not done too badly !!!!

Re: Coleman
 

The sligo manager springs to mind.

Re: Coleman
 

From what i can see -All these "Springing To Mind" is Demeaning to those who are put in charge at this very time, They deserve a chance before all the saddos write em off, PATHETIC, IMHO.:(

Re: Coleman
 

Here Here Cashy !!!,100% in agreement:)

Re: Coleman
 

Dont know if someone has posted this somewhere else, but here is the latest betting on your next manager.
Accrington Stanley Specials Next Permanent Manager Betting Odds | Football Specials Betting

Re: Coleman
 

No reason why Leam & Co cant get it IMO :)

Re: Coleman
 

Depends how it goes mate! There either going to be good or bad! Im happy they are as manager etc no as they know the players very well and they know any john and jimmys tactics from this season! Were playing well so no need to change it!

If it doesnt go well then i would like to see a manager whos got experience! Paul Cook would be a good one and also someone like Stan Ternent! Hes a scout at sunderland at the minute and has a great knowledge for the game!

Re: Coleman
 

Sometimes the tactics DO need to change. One of the weaknesses of JC and JB was that they rarely had a plan B.

As others said earlier in this thread, let's put speculation aside and get behind Leam and his team 100%. Incidentally, I cannot recall Stan Ternent having a glittering career as manager. We need someone young and ambitious.

Re: Coleman
 

There are arguments for and against a lot of names being inked through this post as well as with the bookies.

At the moment what is needed and what Leam, Bryan & Phil wil bring is to turn our attention away from the off the pitch stuff and put the focus back towards on the field matters, a litle bit of breathing space for everyone, a bit of contemplation, time to take stock and perhaps more importantly stability.

On Stanley On

Re: Coleman
 

My advice to the Chairman, Board of Directors and Chief Executive is to wait at least three or four weeks, see how the points accrue and what the league table looks like and very slowly assess the applications coming in. No rush now.

Re: Coleman
 

found this interview with Coley, particularly like the second paragraph! i seem to remember him waving one here


Bucking trends at relegation-threatened Rochdale will be crucial if new manager John Coleman is to successfully steer the Spotland club away from League One’s drop zone. So Dale fans will have been cheered to see the new boss start as he means to go on yesterday when he was unveiled to the press corps.

Asked to brandish a club scarf for the obligatory ‘new manager’ photographs, Coleman amiably refused.

“You have to earn the right to wave the club’s colours about like that,” he declared.

After 13 years sporting Accrington red, it was enough that Coleman should don his new blue Rochdale tracksuit. The scarf was a prop too far for the 49-year-old on his first day in the job, though his resistance will undoubtedly be tested should he plot a path to safety in Dale’s remaining 19 fixtures. And, having waited so long to manage at this level, Coleman and assistant boss Jimmy Bell will not give up League One status without a fight.


“Every game we play now is going to be vital and I’m not scared of talking about relegation – that’s what is on everybody’s mind and there is no point hiding from the fact and banning the word,” said Coleman. “We are in a scrap and we’ve got to be prepared to roll our sleeves up and have a go.”

Despite his long association with Accrington, the challenge of keeping Dale in the third tier, and of testing himself at the highest level of management, proved too much to resist when Spotland chairman Chris Dunphy came calling.

“It’s a big wrench when you’ve been at a place for such a long time and it wasn’t a decision I took lightly. “Obviously, we know a lot about Rochdale from playing against them over the years, we’ve seen the success they’ve had and how well the club is run and we’ve spoken to people in the game and done our homework, as I’m sure the chairman has done his homework on us”

Oppertunity.

“Speaking to one of the recently departed managers, Steve Eyre, he had nothing but good things to say about the club, so you know you are going into a place where you will be given an opportunity. So as much as it was a wrench to leave Accrington, we had to let our heads rule our hearts and go with what we think is best at this time in our careers.”

Coleman’s number two, Bell, insisted any long-term planning would be put on hold until League One status was preserved.


“Our main aim is to keep the club up,” he said. “We want to manage as high as we can and that’s why we have come here. “It’s a big test for us. We don’t want to be going back to League Two, so we’ll give 100 per cent to keep this club where it is and reassess in the summer.”

Re: Coleman
 

Just wanted to share this with you all: View From The Cow Shed: 27th January 2012: A tribute to John and Jimmy.

Re: Coleman
 

Thanks fer that Shaker.:)

Re: Coleman
 

Just about sums it up.:thumbsup:
Exellent Piece Shaker
:alright:

Re: Coleman
 

Really well written and very moving.......nice tribute Shaker.

Re: Coleman
 

Spot on article mate, some great lines in there and about sums it up - well done!!!

Re: Coleman
 

Eloquently put; Thanks Andy.

Re: Coleman
 

Hearing Coleman's comments I can only say that I have even more respect for him after hearing that. He is obviously a man of integrity and handled his departure like a gentleman - the fact that he wouldn't hold up a Dale scarf says a lot about the man which I can only admire.
Anyway those of you who have ventured over to our forum will have seen that the Dale fans have a lot of respect for your club as well as for Coleman. We are delighted to have him and will look after him well. If he can keep us up he will be a hero, if not we can be patient and wait for the good times to come back with him in charge.
Good luck tomorrow - will be watching your result and hope for a win for you guys. We are all looking forward to our derby match tomorrow with much more positivity now we have a 'real' manager. What a great debut for Coleman - there might even be a bit of an atmosphere at Spotland for the first time in months!
And by the way, Michael Owen has tweeted that he has just qualified to manage at league two level and is wondering if any club needs a player manager. Now there's a thought......

Re: Coleman
 

Owen would be useless then were aiming high.:D P.S. seem to recall the Great "Bobby Charlton" having a pop at managing. So being a top player says nowt.:rolleyes:

Re: Coleman
 

I know, he could be a terrible manager. Best go for someone tried and tested in my opinion.

Re: Coleman
 

Agree Cashy would rather fiddle with horses and we don't want that sort round our parts:)

Re: Coleman
 

well put mate but sure I've heard it all before....did u copy it :) ;) lol

Re: Coleman
 

Dalenumber2 i see Coleys signed Kevin Long for the dale this aft!! Great player:)Coley's started to spoil you lot already:D

Re: Coleman
 

Good news mab! I believe he is a solid player - just what we need in defence. We blooming well need some good news too as we are bottom of the league now Chesterfield have won tonight!! :eek:
Let's hope Mr Coleman can work some miracles - we are desperate!

Re: Coleman
 

Well Jesus Christ did n they got the same initials, :D As Coley would say- Keep The Faith.;)

Re: Coleman
 

...and a miracle has happened at Spotland this afternoon :worthy:

Re: Coleman
 

Glad to hear it, Long way to go yet mate, hope yeh do it.;)

Re: Coleman
 

I will give it 3 years and they two could be starring in the premiership!!

Re: Coleman
 

Hahahaha ah well im glad things are working out for the both of our teams then, interest was floating about today as to how they'd do on their debut:D

Re: Coleman
 

Andrew, thank you for the lovely piece you wrote about our John and Jimmy. Can I also extend my warm thanks for everyone else who posted the wonderful tributes?

Accy will always be in our hearts - not just for the highs and lows we all experienced on the pitch - but for the banter we exchanged over the years with fans, Directors and Management - lovely people.

It was a strange experience cheering on the "blues" at Rochdale yesterday as opposed to the "Reds" at the Crown. We kept up to date with events versus Gillingham and waited nervously for the final result to come through. An Accy win was met with some loud cheers in the Rochdale Bar!

I look forward to the banter when I next visit the Crown Ground and wish you all the best in the quest for promotion.

Kind regards.

Mike Coleman.

Re: Coleman
 

Thanks!!!!!

Re: Coleman
 

Ta mike, Coley n Jimmy will be in Accrington Stanley History,long after i'm gone.;)

Re: Coleman
 

If you watch Late Kick-Off tonight you'll see an interview feature on Leam Richardson and his first game in charge.

Oh yes, and there's some guest called Coleman [or something] as the chief pundit. Might be worth a look in ;)