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ah yes, the Unibond Prem winning season and the Conf winning season. Good times indeed, I'll see your two years and raise you by the Unibond 1st Division winning year and the 2 1/2 promotion push years as well

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I said when they left for Rochdale that they'd be back with their tails between their legs within 18 months.:rolleyes: "The grass isn't always greener"they often quoted when referring to players who stepped up a division.:rolleyes: Now that they've practised what they preached about they might be changed men? I'd like to see them back in charge, but if not then give Beattie(if he's interested?) a go.

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Some great posts , but I am with shaker on this,coley for me just makes sense,

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Not to mention that one of those promotion push years coincided with the treble. It speaks volumes that that season is largely forgotten.

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Seem to remember that the delay to recruitment plans caused by the playoffs a few years ago caused us major problems for the start of the following season. Can we now afford delays if we defer the choice of new manager till June? To me anyone other than Coleman and Bell are an unknown quantity to this club. Remember the number of managers we went through before they arrived and the number since. We enjoyed success under them that we have not known since or (except for Galbraith) before.

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Haven't read all the posts but thought I would venture my twopennoth on a possible John'nJimmy return. They are written into Stanley legend and I was as sad as anyone to see them go, as I am with Leam. Wearing my recruitment hat, I would have to ask the duo why they would want to return after having previously taken the decision it was time to move on . ASFC obviously were deemed not likely to feed their ambitions. So what has changed ? Would a return merely be a stopgap till the next opportunity arises ? I don't envy the board in their task and like most sincerely hope that the decision is dragged out to the detriment of contract negotiations and additions to fill gaps in the squad. I also hope that releasing Leam was conditional on C'field not signing any of our current players - otherwise I consider we have been well and truly dumped upon by the spireites and our most recent managers. Boy, do I hope we whallop them in the two games next season.

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re previous post - I meant decision NOT dragged out ! Should learn not to post when it's past by bedtime and the braincell has retired for the night :(

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I knew what yeh meant sunshine tis a damn good post.;)

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Thanks Cashy - had a feeling some others would have jumped all over the slip, specially if they thought the questions to John'nJimmy unfair comment !

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Perfectly reasonable line of thought imho.:)

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Don't forget the normal rules of employment don't apply to football ;)

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I have mixed feelings about the return of John & Jimmy. They did great things for the club and may be the right answer but I would also hope they would be able to work on a more professional basis than sometimes seemed to be the case. I don't envy the board their decision. On the subject of Cook and Leam not taking players to Chesterfield I don't think there's anything we can do about it as most of the squad are out of contract and free to go where they want.

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I have no problem with John and Jimmy coming back at all. They are too good a match to turn down.

Also I think we are kidding ourselves if we don't think they're ambitious, and by definition that means they'd prefer to be managing a bigger and more successful club. But, if to get there, it means re-establishing us in the top half of the league, then who gives a monkeys.

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Bottom line is, we all have opinions on who etc, Don't matter who gets awarded the job, slong as we "ALL" get behind whomever, Summat i feel never happened with "ALL" n Leam.

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This is exactly right. No matter our feelings on whoever gets the job, we need to get behind the team and the manager.

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After reading all of the comments on here the only way everyone will be behind the new manager is if we win games and climb the league. If we are in the bottom 3 or 4 in October watch the knives come out!! But that,s why we have a forum, to voice our OPINION.

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Had a chat about the managerial vacancy with a very knowledgeable pro footballer today,it seems Gary Flitcroft is really keen on taking the position and has thrown his cap in the ring,interesting as he is fully aware of Accrington's financial situation.James Beattie is also considering his options,surely either of the above would be a better option for Stanley to progress than the return of JC @JB !!!

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No.

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C'mon I'll bite.

How can you possibly justify surely James Beattie would be a better option than the return of Coleman & Bell?

He has no experience in any form of management - and very little successful experience of lower league football - he is a complete wildcard!

All credit to him as a striking coach perhaps he could teach the forwards a thing or too but to claim that he would surely be a better manager than Coleman & Bell who are tried, tested and proven is utter drivel.

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Go on I'll bite as well,him and Jansen haven't pulled up any trees at chorley over the last few years !!!

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No need to bite,I meant Gary Flitcroft as manager and perhaps Beattie as his assistant.I have to agree Beattie straight in as manager would be a big gamble but I also think a better option than JC @ JB on the grounds that the only reason I believe they want to return is that they are unemployed.They are such a great partnership that clubs are falling over themselves for their services!!!! As
soon as a bigger club came in for them you wouldn't see them for dust.!!!!

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What killed coley was his loyalty for years to Acci,which in turn has found it hard to get on the managerial roundabout,simple really IMHO

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Utter rubbish in my eyes, Its not hard to get on any ladder if yer successful, Sure coley was very successful at Stanley, No doubt at all about that, But the fact remains we are always punching above our weight in the league, If they were successful at Rochdale, they would have been snapped up, thats obvious.

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What I meant cashy was they never cashed in/jumped ship on the first bit of success,unlike a lot of managers,who just move around.Then again that's just my opinion

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Now come on,whats success to us stanley fans, aint success to any league managements imho, the play=offs were our only real success in the league n that was when they left?:confused:

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Winning conference ?cashy!,could of got a decent move on the back of that.

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Getting a club to punch above its weight in a league 2 divisions above where it should be deserves to get noticed.

When Bradford were sniffing Coley was asked what the biggest club who ever came in for him was . He said nobody would believe him. It was Leek Town. People assumed he was like Gradi at Crewe and would never leave...thus never bothered to make approaches.

I believe Coleys quote "I didn't want to be the Ken Barlow of the football league" reiterates this. (I know the meaning of this has changed somewhat now with Mr Roache's recent developments").

Look at Nigel Clough at Burton. 1 promotion to Coley's 3 with twice the budget. Then get's the Derby job because of his dad's name. Football is funny sometimes.

Lets face it. After seeing the most successful side in post '68 history ripped to pieces because we couldn't guarantee to pay wages post "8 weeks of lies" period is enough to make anybody demoralised.

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I agree wi the first it does deserve to get noticed, But no-one came a calling at that time, But people assuming n never bothering to make approaches?? If yeh believe that, yeh will buy anything.:rolleyes: All the boards in football league want success aint rocket science.

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Did they have the chance to jump ship before Rochdale came in?JB can certainly bloody jump eg. when Rochdale scored at the Crown ground!!

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Next manager of Accrington Stanley?
Obvious choice for me is the up and coming Martin Rogers.
Tried and tested at various levels, great potential, young and ambitious, wouldn't cost much and no compensation involved from previous club contract.
Any thoughts on his possible appointment?

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So how many approaches have they had since being sacked by Rochdale?

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How many jobs in league 2 have been available since 21st Jan?

How many of those jobs where in the north of the country?

Some people with big agendas on here.


Also, arent they on a form of gardening leave? With the idea they will be snapped up before the years wages they are due of Rochdale will expire?
IE. they will take another job within the next 12 months thus saving Rochdale part of the wages they are entitled to?
If Coley and Jimmy take the stanley job, I presume they will have to forfeit the remainder of the year's wage they are due of Rochdale?
If what I understand is correct, they could sit on their hands until next Jan and continue to be paid by Rochdale.


Does that effect some of your agendas?

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Well you should know, but it makes no odds to my views.

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Martin Rogers, any opinions guys and gals?:mosher:

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That's how I see it davo,no-one has given any reasons purely based on the football side of this debate.Coleys knowledge of div 2 takes some beating

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Link to any info about him?

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Hang on,
the guy who let Weymouth because he wanted more money for wages than the club could afford?

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I honestly think Coleman took us as far as he could. (That said would it be good for the club to go any further?! Hereford for example!)

Garry Flitcroft and Matt Jansen would be good option. Like Leam they would have contacts to get good players in. They're record at Chorley seems pretty decent as well.

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You see thats where something has changed since Coley left - after constant progression he couldnt get us looking at the playoffs again after having the team ripped apart.

Mid table stability would have been a step down in performance.

Now we are a bottom end of the league side again mid table stability would be progression.

I think Coley and Bell can build a competitive League 2 side on a small budget that with a little luck could push into the playoff spots.

As was mentioned by others in previous posts we are already punching two divisions above our weight and its very easy to forget that - all I want from a manager is to keep us up - why take risks on unknowns?

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Sorry guys!! Just threw a made up name into the ring!!:tongueout
Trying to make the point that it is useless for us to speculate and throw names about as we know nothing!!
All we need to do is support 100% the new manager, whover he is.
I do agree though that the sooner we know who it will be, the better!!
ON STANLEY ON !!:mosher:

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Might as well close the forum down then, if it's pointless discussing potential developments at the club.

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What do people want?? somebody looking to use us as a stepping stone as both Cook and Richardson have done, or maybe a pair who maybe not be perfect, but know the club, have an affiliation with the club that runs deep, and have a proven record of success.

I just hope whoever makes the choice makes the one that is best for the club, and that is JC and JB

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Nobody knows who has actually applied, there may be better candidates than the previous afore mentioned?

Each candidate will have their pluses & minuses but it is important that the Club have a template in mind of what they want to achieve, where they want to go and most importantly what the budget is which includes Management, Staffing & Players and from that look at each candidate.

This decision really does shape where we are in twelve months time.

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Robbie fowler may be good

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Coley and Bell article in Accy Ob.:- Click
John Coleman and Jimmy Bell stake claim for Accrington Stanley return - Accrington Observer

A Rochdale fan's view!:-"Management by fear is not a route to success and in this day and age will only lead to the sort of problems we witnessed during one of the worst 12 months I have endured at Spotland in over 50 years. If only 10% of the rumours and accusations are true we were probably lucky to get rid of the odious duo before the club got landed with a law suit.

A friend of mine went to the "meet the management day" and spent over half an hour one on one with Bell and described it as one of the most intimidating experiences of his life. Coleman by comparison was pleasant and amenable but Ding Dong obviously sets the tone. Good luck Accy - in this case "never go back" would seem to be valid."

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I see Yeovil made the League 1 play off final today. Non-league club....manager takes them into League 1. Leaves for another club and it doesn't work out. Meanwhile the club slide into a relegation battle after a popular ex player is made manager. Messiah returns and results pick up to the extent where they are 90 minutes away from rubbing shoulders with QPR etc.

Much of this story seems familiar....:)

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There's a flaw in that though, don't think Coley's son is old to manage Oldham :D

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What else did you expect a Rochdale fan to say.
And that isnt the view of every Rochdale fan, one i know reckons they where close to turning it around but where let down.
But hey, if you have an agenda...

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Its you thats got the agenda Davo, But don't let the truth get in the way of it.:rolleyes:

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or opinion in the case of Redraine.

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A rumour I've heard is that Fowler is taking over at Macclesfield !!:eek:

I'm just hoping we get business concluded sooner rather than later, because I feel the uncertainty over the next appointment may sway the decisions of some of our out of contract players and their decisions.:(

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Another rumoured name on the shortlist may be also familiar New Macclesfield Town boss on the horizon - MacclesField Express

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My post showed the 2 different sides of the issue. I don't have an "agenda", whatever you mean by that, merely an opinion. You remind me of the political goons in charge in Orwell's 1984.

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They can knock Liam Watson off that list, he's gone to Telford.

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Dean Saunders just been given the bullet from Wolves - did a good job a Wrexham.

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He had Doncaster top of the league as well

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And relegated in the first place.
Sent Wolves down and getting Wrexham into the top 6 on a football league budget is hardly the stuff of dreams

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Just a thought,how about moving the assistant manager and coach up a level?,they were partly responsible for our heroics last season and it may save us some money !!!.They know the players strengths etc..-- new policy,promote from within !

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'Promote from within', like it. Fast forward to 2020 and the programme seller is the gaffer! Seen stranger things happen at this club.

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Rate we're going through em we'll have one of the ball boys managing assisted by her who sells the 50/50 draw by Xmas!

Edit: Beat me to it Shaker!

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Not as daft as I first thought,Paul Lodge has played in every division,managed a few semi pro teams,worked as coach under Coley and may be ready for the step up,players like him as well ----save a few quid as well :)

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Was sacked after 6 months though from his last management job though?? That makes me a bit nervous.:eek: Should have said next last, Did 2 months at Chorley after that.

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Think at Chorley he brought in a load of young players and as a famous pundit once said "you don't win nothing with kids"!!!!

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Rob Heys, club shop to CE in about 6 years!

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Could definitely do a lot worse, Stephenson Lodge & Beattie (maybe?) could be the answer

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Could be a good move, PROVIDING one or both have great motivational skills, good contacts within the game, great tactical awareness and iron constitutions, to name but four qualities. Maybe you have an informed view on the first of these, Football19?

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Good respected football people, like Frank said,maybe add Beattie or A N Other and we get a bit of continuity.Do we need a marque signing ?,it's a avenue I would definitely consider.

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Any truth that the real reason behind the rumours about Fergie leaving Man United is that he fancies a crack at the top job at the Crown Ground!!

Well...if you can't dream......!

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I wouldn't, he's having a hip operation and will miss the start of the season -we aint paying to have him in a hospital bed!!

Andy Tretton MarkII

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According to the L.E.T. the short list is drawn up n interviews are next week, according to Mr.Marsden.

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I'm firmly on the fence regarding the JC debate, but I am quite clear that whatever happens, it needs to happen soon!!

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Is next week not soon?:confused:

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Next week?

Is DON doing the interviews ? :eek:

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Like the idea someone mentioned of james as assistant to the guy who got it now.;)

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Andy Hessenthaler has apparently said that no contact has been made, But would be happy to talk if the club wish to make contact!

Not really how job application process works is it Andy?!

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He knows that baldy, probably just letting the football world know the score.;)

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Experience is a must, but its the old story, little money means choice is going to be restricted to would be Football League Managers, or people no other club wants. Coleman & Bell have not been in a position to secure a League job over recent months, so why should we have them back. They will revert back to the old pals act, and reduce the dole figures for Merseyside. No thanks Alvi

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Lock up yer wifes, girlfriends and daughters :eek:

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40 serious applications have been whittled down to 8 that are to be interviewed next week and I thought J. C. had already secured the position

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If the jobs done proper, Then it should be n interesting week.;)

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Bet there's some interesting names amongst the '40 serious' applicants

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I think its time for some 'leaks' to be made to generate a bit of hype. I know full well that John Barnes is town on monday ;)

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Fergie must be in the running otherwise he wouldn't have quit at Old Trafford

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I wonder if Paul Simpson has applied. He was last at Northwich Vics before taking up a youth development role in Portugal. If he wants a fresh crack at the Football League, this club could be ideal in his eyes.

I'd imagine Peter Jackson and his terrible suits have thrown their battered hat in the ring. Alan Knill will want paying more than we can afford. Paul Peschisolido will want another chance after losing control at Burton. Les Parry to make a shock return?

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Macca distinctly said 'leaks' so you don't wonder or imagine, you actually saw them all in Accy Mc'ds waiting for interviews :D

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I see... come to think of it that was definitely John Gregory ordering a donner pizza in Cuisine World last night. :D

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I really hope Beattie gets the job. His experience and passion for the club coupled with his connections i think he could do a good job with us.

as for Coleman , dont get me wrong i like the guy but i think he had taken us as far as he could, and Jimmy.. Well my whole opinion of him changed the minute he celebrated like hed won the lottery when rochdale scored against us. Im sure a few would agree with me on that point.

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No thanks

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Why ? Give me one good reason

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I like Beattie, but wonder if he has the experience as manager. I'd love him to stay in some way.

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seen leighton james on the train to accy yesterday:eek:

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Leam had 0 Experience and that turned out ok.Plus hes a local lad and knows the club. hes worked under some great managers and most of all the players respect him and will work for him.

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And also hes not a Bully Boy.;)

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so who's going to sit on the carpark all week, in dark glasses then

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Jose Mourinho weighing the odds up.

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...and Rafael Benitez might be out of a job in a couple of weeks! :)

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Alan Knill has already accepted the Torquay job last week Shaker.

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I hate all this waiting!!!