James Beattie - Do the Honourable Thing
 

James Beattie is the manager of Accrington Stanley

League games alone -
10 played
0 wins
2 draws
8 defeats

Goals Scored - 6
Goals Conceded - 18

Total Points -2

After 10 league games, no one can deny the results are shocking/appalling/diabolical/unacceptable.


My biggest problem with James Beattie as our manager is simple, its his tactical knowledge and ability,
He doesn't have any.
He doesn't know how to change a game
His formations, team instructions, game plan, substitutions, player selection is all amateur.
He clearly is not cut out to be a football league manager.


The solution?
Easy.
We have a man in waiting who is available, who is proven, a good tactician, a man with ambition, a man who gets the best out of players at this level, he is use to working on a tight budget, is proven under pressure, and if the damage already done does take us down - has a track record to lead us back into the football league. And more importantly, is motivated to re-build his reputation after the Rochdale affair.

John Coleman - Save Our Season.
He would relish the chance to drag us up the table.

In Summary;
James, do the honourable thing and resign.

Finally,
learn from Barnet, don't leave it to late to make a change.
And never accept relegation as inevitable, we have a chance to make a change now and do something about it.
Now is the time.

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And so it begins !!!! :rolleyes:

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Leam R John C Jimmy B along with Dave O all at the game tonight.

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Poor poor crap 1833 so two attacks by accy then daggers score. Why why why take hunt off.

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I agree with you DAV007 about JC he certainly gets the best out of his squad,did a few not bet against themselves to win ,and do you honestly believe it was an isolated case.....Who else was involved certainly not only the players punished.If he's so highly rated why hasn't he received a single interview.
I believe JB should be given a chance to turn things round till Christmas,and get the rest of the squad fit at his disposal.It helps no one be so negative when support is needed for the club and I don't think JC would have put his hand in his pocket to pay the clubs tax bill unless of course he'd had a good win off the bookies!!!

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Speculation is inevitable after such a lifeless performance in such important circumstances - and I am unsure whether JB has the ability to get us out of this - but I'm not comfortable with how disrespectful the message in this thread is. That's just me.

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I think he was in danger of getting red carded!!!

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Same old, same old from Dav007 - couldn't wait for that tenth game limit you so generously gave to Beatts before you started bleating could you?
Ok, we are in a perilous position but do you seriously believe with the injuries we have had/still have that anyone could have fared any better?
Tonight was not pretty but the lads could not be faulted for effort - Daggers were not that great in football ability although they were quicker than us & caught us twice on the break in what was a pretty scrappy game overall.
I was pretty sad walking off the ground tonight, in fact instead of the usual ritual of going in the Crown & putting the world to rights over a couple of lagers I found myself coming home, opening a bottle of wine & catching up on Corrie but I will still be there at the next game cheering on James & our lads - not berating them on here - that does no-one any good at all. Get behind the team & manager instead of satisfying your own agenda by proclaiming the supposed benefits of having Coley & co back in charge. (Rant over)

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10 games to judge seriously.

Who are we Blackburn Rovers???

Imagine if Sir Alex had only been given 10 games to prove himself.

Give the man a REAL chance!!!

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i'm usually loathe to criticise individuals, be they players or managers, but BT just doesn't seem to have the x factor or whatever it is that turns players into teams.

One can't doubt that he is a gentleman, eloquently spoken and seems to care about the club evident in his general demeanour. Neither could one doubt that he has been able to pull in favours to get us a decent player or two - but they haven't been able to win games despite playing some half decent football at times. I'm not sure what the Carling Opta stats are for our shots on target ratio but from what I've seen, heard or read that is our main problem, we don't get any shots on goal. For a striker of some repute in his day this is a worrying statistic.

We have a talented squad he keeps telling us, so why aren't they winning?

• Luck and injuries aren't helping matters but every team has that problem.
• We are told that professionalism and preparation is correct so that isn't the problem.
• We know that it isn't a lack of character from the players because he does his background checks before he signs them

That leaves tactics or motivation ...

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The Football League | Stats | Club Shooting


18 shots on target, not even 2 shots a game average :(

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Maybe James Beattie will one day become a successful manager or assistant manager,but at a club that can afford to give him money to spend. It would be no disgrace for him to resign. His first attempt at football management wont be seen as a black mark on his cv as the football world expects any Stanley manager to be unsuccessful!:(

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[QUOTE=shakermaker; I'm not comfortable with how disrespectful the message in this thread is. That's just me.[/QUOTE]]

No it isn't. But we don't do respectful

Well, some of us don't

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First time ive heard a manager out chant in a stanley end since we where bottom of the Unibond and lost away at Bamber Bridge in about 1998.

Not nice :(

But people pay there money and are entitled to their opinions I suppose??

I really dont know what I would do, as its obvious we cant afford to sack him.

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Being a nice guy does not work in football management, need somebody in to be ruthless, to scrap and fight the cause, ex international players ie chris waddle @ Burnley and of course James Beattie does not work for me.
Tactics and players out of postion really a massive problem.
Kal Naismith got to play him wide right so he can cut in and cause havoc, he played there v Portsmouth and 10 mins since its not rocket science

We have got to stop signing players because they are nice lads !

Sign a few who will upset the opposition , get in there faces who are not so bloody nice

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Nice guys finish last

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Sorry to say that I found last night disappointing to say the least , we were outrun , the better team won. One player should not be able to run the length of the pitch on his own and score , but to do it twice is unbelievable . I was sat beside a neutral who had come along as it was a Fri match , his comments were " they are a young side " ,when I asked if he will return to watch again he just smiled , the answer was in his expression it said don't be silly.
Hope James can turn us around , be we need it sooner rather than later.

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It might be the honourable thing for JB to offer to resign if the board can find a replacement ... it would certainly not be honourable for him to resign and walk away leaving a possibly unfillable vacancy. Dav007 is so confident JC would want to come back - why would he? The last time he took on a relegation-challenged club didn't do his CV any favours - is he likely to risk two on the bounce? And if his heart belongs to Stanley first last and always, why did he leave us in the first place? Don't get me wrong, the man's a legend in my book and always will be, but I'm not sure he would fancy a second coming, and not sure he could work the transformation if he did.

On Stanley On!

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Don't know what game you were watching, but I didn't see all that commitment to the cause, otherwise how did D & R walk through our back four [albeit offside in both cases and a linesman that could not keep up with play] with consummate ease. Not once have I seen BT shouting from the sidelines - its always Paul Stephenson and Paul Lodge. Why? Its not often I agree with DAV007 but in this case I do, although not all of his statement. Whether John Coleman is the right person or not I am not sure. But for the sake of the club and the hope we may get out of this dire mess then BT must do the honourable thing and resign. He needs to do his coaching badges and get experience first.
And please do not use injuries as an excuse, BT has brought in enough players of his own to cover for injuries, heck he even signed a 19 year old from Blackpool, who to be honest looked useful what little I saw of him. I don't think the youngsters he has brought in are ready for this league yet! I believe they should go out on loan, like Carver, and return at a later date when stronger. They are too easily prised of the ball by bigger and stronger defenders.They need to learn to play it simple to feet or for attacking players to run on too. IMHO bring Carver back because we play better with 2 up front and not just a loan striker like last night [who again IMHO looked totally lost].

Like you I left the ground dispririted, BUT I left early. The experiment with Friday night and offering tickets for a tenner to season ticket holders worked, but won't work again if we keep serving up that tripe.

PS, I listened to summary on Radio Lancs from Kevin Gallagher and in his own words "Stanley won't win unless they improve their shooting ratio". The team looked disheartened and their heads went down after the second goal. Yes they scored at the end [only due to a keepers cock-up].

To summarise, 2 points is NOT good enough. 18 shots at goal all season is less than 2 shots a game NOT good enough. Simple. Yes Mr Beattie is a nice man, but nice does not win games, if he gets a ruthless streak, then that may change, but until he develops that, not a cat in hells chance.

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All of our managers over the past year 7/8 years in the football league have had far worse injury lists than Beattie has had.
Your making excuses.

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1. please provide evidence it was not an isolated case?
2. please tell us who else you think was involved?
3. how do you know JC hasnt received a single interview?
4. if we give Beattie until Christmas, you may as well buy your Skrill premier patches for your Stanley shirt and look up the directions to Braintree.
5. Beattie paid the bill early because he wanted to sign Naismith, I doubt JC could afford to do such a thing so its a bit unfair to say he wouldn't.
And yes, that's right Naismith the most useless winger we have ever had in our time back in the league.
6. Please provide evidence JC goes to the bookies.

You need to leave your personal vendetta and personality assassination to one side and look at the facts.
JC was the most successful manager in our history and is available.
There is no doubt he is a far better manager than Beattie.

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This is all true and I think he has raised our profile of the pitch, but its also true he is not cut out to be a football league manager.
There will be no profile to raise when we are in the conference.

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He is desperate to come back.
The man lives and breathes Stanley.
He has something to prove after the Rochdale experience.
He is very hungry to turn it around.
There is no one better to save our season.

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There's no doubt that John Coleman is a better manager than James Beattie. That's a fact and James himself may well admit it.

Calling for heads or for Beattie to fall on his sword is a different matter. It's disrespectful and not becoming for a club like ours. Blackburn maybe, but not us.

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Many fans know the truth about the betting scandal, Asking someone to post it on the net, proves how stupid yer are.:rolleyes:

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Well, so you say ...... and of course there's a chance you might be right I suppose. And if you are right, I'd be very happy to have him back if he's affordable (and, preferably, if JB is happy to step aside for free).

But unless you are a close friend or relative (or the man himself!), points 1, 2 and 4 are just what you choose to believe, in support of what appears to many of us to be an obsession. I don't think anyone was very surprised when this thread appeared last night with your name on it.

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Sir Alex was one game away from getting sacked in 1990, the rest of the premier league wish they'd sacked him:D

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Who's pulling your strings DAV007 ,why wait so long to reply,you were on line for ages after I posted last night but not a squeak.I suppose you have to pass everything past JC before you can post.I stand by all I say and would say it to JCs face.If the great messiah is so through and through Stanley why leave to a local derby opponent,stay and fight for promotion with Stanley.

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Not excuses, genuine reasons - at the end of the day football is all about opinions & everyone is entitled to theirs, even those who think that their opinion is the only one that is right & the only one that matters.

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Its also a fact.

Another fact, we are already 9 points adrift after 10 games, drastic change required.

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What your really saying is ' I dont like your opinion, so I will try and discredit your opinion by taking what I perceive to be the moral high ground'.

Call a spade a spade, call a manager who has accumulate 2 points in 10 league games (with no proven track record) incapable of doing the job.

We will soon run out of time to turn it around, now is the time for James to be honest with himself and stand aside. He has to do whats right for the club

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BBC Sport - James Beattie backs Accrington Stanley to end 'losing habit'

He says he's had the backing, he sounds worryingly like Steve Kean. Stick your head in a bucket and hope for the best.

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Says who, I'm a nice guy whose doing pretty damn well in his career.

Bull hockey:jimbo:

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Maybe JB would be better as a coach under JC till he gets more experience

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If James was to go and Coley came back with Jimmy if he wanted to leave his nice job at Port Vale would you give them 10 games Davoo. Lets get a gip Cook ran off followed by Leam we need a period of stability and let the club decide who is in charge while James is here lets get behind him and lets hope for a change on the green stuff.

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Difference is coley and cook and leam to an extent are proven, we have seen nothing under beattie that suggests anything other than Welling away next season.

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WHAT? Leam is proven...? You orchestrated a campaign to get rid of him because - if I recall your position - he wasn't up to the job and with him we were doomed to inevitable relegation .......

Disingenuous!

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I agree but as some of the forum users pointed out during the awful run of results under Leam, he had shown enough in his first few games and in the defeats to suggest he had ability.
You cant say that about our 10 league games this season, there are no signs Beattie has the ability to turn it around.
If we dont act soon, the season could be over by November.

Plus Leam had the fortune to take over from Cook's decent start.
Beattie has lumbered us to the foot of the table.

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Oh yer moving? Good riddance. The results have been terrible so far, But if you aint seen signs he may be able to turn it round,then yeh aint been to many games of the 10.:rolleyes: But that fact has never kept yer big gob shut.

You'd protest over an incorrectly priced mop in poundland, wouldn't you.

I've already said I don't think Beattie is up to it. But I'm not going to join in the call for his head because I think it's a childish facet of the modern game.

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Oh wise cashman, do shed some light on where the up turn in ability, tactics, etc is coming from?
Do share your wisdom and insight on which game you have seen the team go from relegation certainties to playoff hopefuls.
You are truly the king of Accyweb.

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I'm one person who has patience to give managers and players time but having followed the team home and away this season the performances don't deserve any result , we've not even had luck against us or dominated a game and missed chances we've just been 100% rubbish! He seems to have no tactics or no know how about managing a football league club!
He's no experience of management and as a player was also a journey man! On paper he should fail as a football manager at his first attempt and so do plenty of previous players but we cannot afford to gamble our clubs status with a man who is obviously not good enough! He also seems to have plenty of excuses after each game!
He's not good enough and neither is Joyce as captain can I add!

For me he has to go! I'm not bothered about Coleman but he would be a great person to bring back but we need some experienced! I can't see us picking any results up! The club and the team need a change!]I'm one person who has patience to give managers and players time but having followed the team home and away this season the performances don't deserve any result , we've not even had luck against us or dominated a game and missed chances we've just been 100% rubbish! He seems to have no tactics or no know how about managing a football league club!
He's no experience of management and as a player was also a journey man! On paper he should fail as a football manager at his first attempt and so do plenty of previous players but we cannot afford to gamble our clubs status with a man who is obviously not good enough! Everything he does isn't good enough and his standing a million miles away from the touch line mustn't help! He also seems to have plenty of excuses after each game!
He's not good enough and neither is Joyce as captain can I add!

For me he has to go! I'm not bothered about Coleman but he would be a great person to bring back but we need someone experienced! I can't see us picking any results up! The club and the team need a change and a shakeup!

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Try getting your facts straight. If you look at the League table after the Saturday games we are SEVEN points adrift.:rolleyes:

Still not a great deal of comfort given our present situation.:(

I'd throw one spanner in your works / argument for Beattie to walk......He has a two year contract. Why would he walk??? :confused:

Can the club afford to sack him.....probably not given that we'd have a sizeable chunk of compo to find.:o

Personally, I like the guy, He talks straight and doesn't seem to duck issues. For a guy to take his first step on the management ladder, the Stanley job is probably the hardest job he could have picked.

He's got the smallest budget in the football League to work with. I said it when Richardson left, maybe Leam thought he'd be better off as number two to the snake rather than stay here fire-fighting.

Beattie is armed with a tiny bucket that's got a sticking plaster stopping the leak. Could any of the knockers do better with the resources available???:confused:

I don't doubt that he needs to come up with a Plan B or even a Plan C. As he said, it's time to fix bayonets and battle. Sadly, I think some of the players lack the stomach and even the ability for a fight.

Personally speaking, certain players need a proper good kick up the harris and need to be told in no uncertain terms that they're in the last chance saloon and the barman is about to call time.

Tactically, I'd go for selecting a side that can alternate between 5-3-2 and 3-5-2. Get some solidity in the centre of the park, get width and have wide players who can get forward and supply some ammunition for the forwards to feed off.

An obvious statement, but our shots on goal tally has to rise markedly. Beattie has to find the solution to that problem, whilst tightening up the midfield.

I don't envy his predicament given the resources at hand, injuries etc.:o

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Your right, I got told the wrong info.
As you know I get a lot of things wrong!
I like many on this forum want the best for the club.
At this present time, keeping Beattie as manager is not the answer.

Your right about his contract, we need him to accept the folly of the current situation, swallow his pride and move aside for the sake of the club.

I get the impression the relationship between the board and Beattie is good; I would hope that frank and honest discussions are taking place.


But can people stop using the excuse about resources and injury's.
As discussed, Beattie has signed older players with a history of injuries; why then is anyone surprised when they get injured?
All Stanley managers since returning to the league have had worse injury lists than Beattie.
Resource-wise, didn't Peter Marsden recently say the wage bill was upped last year to £670,000 to try and get in the top 10?
As Stanley budgets go, is this not at the higher end?

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Dav007 you seem to have a lot of inside info regarding JC please share where and when he has said he is desperate to come back.
I wondered how long it would be before this raised it,s head again and I was,nt dissapointed when I saw the thread starter, and rather than jump straiight in I have taken time to reflect and as of today I have come to the conclusion that the only way that you will stop this bleating about JC is to put it on my Christmas list for you to get your wish ............ BUT !!!! and this is the biggy I hope it works out for ya because if the chosen one did the second coming act and god help us happen to fail in keeping Stanley in the league WHO THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME THEN !!!!!!!!!

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That says it all !!Yeh got Told,:rolleyes: unable to think fer yerself or what?:rolleyes:

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They still ran off to what they thought was a better opportunity than staying at Stanley

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Never mind who is and who is not available. The Stanley job aint vacant!

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All this bluster from one person about Stanley its a good job most of the supporters seem to be behind JB and not knocking him, but you have to ask the question, who in their right mind would want to take the job at Stanley, the first question an applicant for the job of a football club manager is, will I have money to spend, the answer at Stanley would be quite obviously be sorry no, so if JB went on his merry way who would want the job

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He's not thinking,it appears he's quoting JC,not very eloquently for an ex teacher.

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Maybe that's why he's an EX teacher:rolleyes:

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Didnt Coley leave the profession because Stanley was taking up more and more of his time?

Dont let facts get in the way of a personal vendetta jaysay.

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I refer you to the press quotes from the summer after Leam had left and the job was vacant.

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I said it last season and I shall say it again.Dav007 you seem to know the solution to our problems so why not go and speak tp James himself and give him the winning formula you seem to think JC has. May I remind you JC left of his own accord , his choice . Things do need to change the sooner the better , but while James is at the helm , we support him.

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In DAV007's defence, he is merely stating his opinion, which for some reason he is not entitled too, unlike the rest of us! Just because the majority don't like it, get on with it. Support BT and I suspect even the knockers will still be there week in, week out hoping for a turn round in events.

To those who have been week in, week out home and away and say we were unlucky in most of the games, well I have only seen the home games this season [work commitments allowing] and from what I have seen, yes the officials seem to have something against us, luck is of your own making and what I saw against Rochdale's 10 men in the 2nd half was abysmal. We should have had 10 men camped in their half for 45 minutes. The stats say it all, 18 shots on target in 10 matches is NOT good enough FULL STOP. The answer, personally I would bring Carver back to support Odejayi or whatever he is called. And maybe even adopt the differing formations offered i.e. 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 or even 4-4-2, 4-3-3.

These are my opinions to which I am entitled, if you don't agree with me - fine, I aint going to loose any sleep o'er it.

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Why did he get a two year contract web players only get one?

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Funny how much notice of things some take? quite a few players were issued wi 2 year contracts this season.:rolleyes: Also fer outbacks benefit, Carver is back as far as i'm aware.lol

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Beattie is finding it tough at Accy as anyone else would have done, never mind someone trying to find his feet in football management for the first time.

As for Coleman, he's a busted flush. His chance has been and gone. It's over. The way he took Rochdale down - not just relegated, but reputation as well due to attitude and players cheating - we should definitely look elsewhere, in fact ANYWHERE.

I genuinely hope Beattie turns it round. The problem is, that time is not on the side of managers whose teams struggle at the wrong end of the table.

As ever, if and when a vacancy becomes available there will be the usual ridiculous expectations from some quarters about who should take over. That won't stop a flood of applications of course, but I wouldn't mind betting that neither the likes of Paulo DiCanio nor Nigel Clough will be amongst them. (Thankfully - but you know what I mean. No real 'names' unless untried elsewhere - a la Beattie)

Hope springs eternal. There's always the next match. We've played worse.

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Thing's aren't so bright for Coleman either AFC Liverpool lost (Team he's currently managing) yesterday and i don't have a clue how Bell's Vale Team got on?

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Peter Murphy is into the final year of his thankfully.

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Regardless of what happens with JB the Coley bashing has to stop. I can't think of any other club where there most successful ever manager takes so much personal abuse.

I remember one of the hallmarks of his reign was that he made it clear he would always be in the clubhouse with supporters if they has issues they wanted to discuss. It's telling how many smiled to his face then slag him off on here.

The irony that most of those who deride him would never have set foot near the Crown and "discovered" Stanley without his winning teams piquing their interest which smacks of paradox.

We are frightened of going to places like Welling and Braintree next season. Pre JC playing these teams would have been a dream.

Also all this "he left us" baloney. He gave us 12 YEARS of his life. 12 years of success and moving progressively forwards including 3 promotions and numerous cup runs and he's a pariah. Yet Leam is "a good lad" for jumping ship after half a season which nearly ended in disaster. The lack of logic is astounding.

Its only my opinion but I think it lacks class to openly slate the greatest manager we have ever had certainly in the glorious technicolour era.

People using Beatties tax donation against Coley is also ridiculous. Of course Coley couldn't afford such an amount...realistically that money is akin to a tenner to Beattie...lovely gesture though it was.

Right now I'd swap all this faux proffesionalism for three points. But we cant afford to sack JB and as Shakey said its wrong to ask him to fall on his sword. We have much better players than previous regimes but keep failing miserably....what's the answer? I can take losing but the spineless manner in which this team keep giving up is demoralising.

Inject some passion and aggression into performances and results will come.

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FACT
he is no their manager.
It was quoted in the press that he took a coaching session.
But hey, if they lose, lets blame Coley.
Nothing like a personal vendetta to blind the facts.

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Exactly.
He only paid it on behalf of the club to avoid a transfer embargo so he could sign Naismith in time for the Pompey game.
Naismith!
Another fine signing.

Some people are using are using a personal grudge to attack the greatest thing to ever happen to our club (JC).

Shame on you.
Our club has class and dignity, some of you are displaying anything but.

And those of you who think there was more to the gambling affair wont come out in public and say what fantasy you believe in.
Put up or shut up.
If you want to have your little fantasies, save them for moaning behind your pint - don't use them against the greatest manager in our history unless your prepared to stand by them.

Pathetic.

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What do you think would happen if your god Coleman came back? Murphy would be granted another contract. As DAV007 says "James Beattie - Do the Honourable Thing", stay where you are and save us from Coleman.

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Beattie is finding it tough at Accy as anyone else would have done, never mind someone trying to find his feet in football management for the first time.

Of course any manager would rind it tough, but a decent manager would have shown glimpses of progress - under Beattie their has been none.

As for Coleman, he's a busted flush. His chance has been and gone. It's over. The way he took Rochdale down - not just relegated, but reputation as well due to attitude and players cheating - we should definitely look elsewhere, in fact ANYWHERE.

Please explain the link between John Coleman and players cheating.
Put up or shut up.

I genuinely hope Beattie turns it round. The problem is, that time is not on the side of managers whose teams struggle at the wrong end of the table.
Ability, tactics, an eye or a player, ability to change a game, etc are not on his side either.

As ever, if and when a vacancy becomes available there will be the usual ridiculous expectations from some quarters about who should take over. That won't stop a flood of applications of course, but I wouldn't mind betting that neither the likes of Paulo DiCanio nor Nigel Clough will be amongst them. (Thankfully - but you know what I mean. No real 'names' unless untried elsewhere - a la Beattie)

And?

Hope springs eternal. There's always the next match. We've played worse.

I wish I shared your hope, but after 10 league games time is running out to save our season and league status.

If Peter Marsden is complaining about losing money then he better be prepared for a mega loss if we drop down to the Non League.

Time/Games is/are Running Out!

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Please show me evidence that if John Coleman was manager, Peter Murphy would be given a new contract at the end of the season.

Please, I really want to see it.

Or are you assuming as it fits in with your nasty thoughts, using it to take out your personal vendetta?

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Your the one thats Pathetic Davo, i have already said its stupidity to put on internet but yer too dense to grasp the fact, If yeh wish i will tell yeh to yer face the facts as you often say.:rolleyes: Then if yeh wish yeh can run back to J.C. n watch the embarrassment. And i dont talk off ale unlike you, cos i don't drink.

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Cashman,
do you understand the meaning of the word hypocrite?

If your not prepared to share your little mind fantasy to justify your dislike of the clubs greatest ever manager online, then please don't make statements about a gambling affair and link it to Coley.
Its called defamation, that's another word for you to look up.

Put up or shut up.

But you wont, because you don't like facts.

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Very sensible words young man..... ;) :)

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I actually don't think its a lack of effort or passion from the team that is the problem.
Its what their being asked to do and the tactics and organisation.

Im not a fan of Joyce or Murphy (tried, tested and come up short), but they are playing in roles which they have been appointed to by the manager.

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Take in what you read .....I stated I would repeat everything I know to JC's face.
Ask all your friends about Ireland?
PS. Someone needs to say this DAV007 but I hope you and your messiah practice safe sex.....this is a family forum,

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If your not prepared to make your nasty allegations in public, then don't defame someone's good character.

And stop avoiding the facts - based on the evidence so far, if we stick with James Beattie we are getting relegated.

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I'll meet you anywhere and tell you straight!!!
PS?.....believe me you haven't got a clue

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Again,
please do tell the world about your fantasy?

If its true, you have nothing to worry about.
What is the problem?

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Telling you is telling the world

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Coley is a Stanley legend and forever will be. But you should never go back to a club in footy, it never works out the second time round.

I only have 1 gripe with the man and that's because he left us for the wrong club. He and Bell could have done so much better.

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I agree with you, but the thing about 2nd time round never works is a myth.
Plus, he cant exactly do any worse than Beattie has done so far.

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Good character believe if it makes yeh happy, I have come to the conclusion yeh know the score. in fact i'm near certain yeh do.

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Of course it sometimes works. If the fit between club and manager is right, then it can work again. Just look at Darren Ferguson as an example.

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Probably a good example with more relevance, Keith Hill Rochdale :)

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If you want evidence of players cheating, just spend some time reading the Rochdale message board. They can't ALL be wrong.

Whilst JC was at Spotland, their players were feigning injuries, diving and abusing officials and opposition players. There were serious 'bust-ups' with management and players, leading to Gary Jones - their all time appearance maker and club captain - leaving for Bradford City. JC was reportedly responsible for an 'off-field' gambling culture (where has that been heard before ??) and the dressing room atmosphere was a shambles. No surprise then that the club were relegated and struggled until the day he left.

JC did a job at Accy at the right time and took the club as far as he was able. He will always be remembered for bringing success and the fans will be forever grateful for the journey back into the FL.

That does NOT mean that he could do the job that is now needed. His day has gone. He's part of the clubs' history - not part of its' future.

Now go and find a darkened room and calm down.

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I suspect DAV007 is the love child of Professor Coleman and Malcolm The Mole and a dark room is probably where he feels most at home.

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Don't believe everything you read on message boards !!,do a lot of work around Rochdale,and the main problem was the players were dominating the club,and when Coley changed things it turned into a Liverpool/Manchester thing.

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The person with the biggest problem must be Peter Marsden.
The decision to appoint Beattie so far looks to have backfired spectacularly.
In some ways, you could argue the club got lucky/good judgement by appointing the inexperienced Leam Richardson.
They have tried the same formula again with James and it simply has not worked out thus far.
Like it or not, if we have not registered at least 1 win by November, we are pretty much relegated.
The crowds will at best sustain their current attendance number; their will be no increase.

Not only has Peter made the decision to increased the wage budget, but as he admitted in the press he gambled than Beattie's profile and the lower price structure would see the masses return to the Crown - it has not happened.
Not only has it not happened, with only 2 shots per game and sitting adrift without a win at the bottom of the league, its not likely to change this season.

The vision to get into the top 10 and be near the play offs seams as distant as ever.

He must now decide if he backs Beattie or cuts his losses.
Burying his head in the sand hoping results will all of a sudden improve with no evidence of improvement on the pitch will not help anyone.
If he is going to publically back Beattie, he must be prepared to take the backlash the longer the awful run continues.
If Beattie turns it round, then he will have shown great leadership like he did when the pressure was on Leam and the chairman correctly choose to back his man and calm the doubters.
But unlike Leam; their is no strong foundation from earlier in the season to rely on.
Unlike Leam, there where no previous signs he had the ability as a manager - the signs so far are not encouraging.
And unlike Leam, Beattie has filled the squad with largely talentless players, Leam did have an eye for a player.
He must also take into account, that while our off the field profile may have risen with the appointment of an ex premier league star and England player - its the on the field results that will count.

Mr. Marsden mentioned we are losing £300,000 per year and he has put into the club a considerable amount of his own money.
He, more than any of us will know the cost of relegation and the potential financial damage losing out on the football league payments will have.
Its a tremendous loss.

I don't think is all doom and gloom for Mr.Marsden. He must be encouraged by the up turn in attendance Vs Dagenham.
With relatively little exposure, the club managed to get a significant increase in attendance.
Utilising the new commercial team, and with the help of Lancsdave, the OSC and the fans on this forum their is no reason that a similar campaign with a bit more notice couldn't produce a similar if not better attendance result.
But that will also need the improvement on the pitch, and this must be his priority.

One thing he has not got is time or games.
Both are running out.

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Evidence?
Or are you just like the others with a personal vendetta, who hope they can throw enough mud to make it stick?
So your saying no other clubs players have ever feigned injury, dived or fell out with the opposition?
Do you watch football?
Have you spoken to Gary Jones about why he left?
Its clearly all the big bad wolf john colemans fault.
The fact they where already in the relegation zone when he took over doesn't matter, its all his fault.
But if the Rochdale forum says its true, it must be...


For the mess we are in right now, only John Coleman has the ability, drive and know how to save us.

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Interesting observation;
the few who don't want Beattie out and King Coley back in haven't come up with any justification for sticking with Beattie, any better alternative to save our season, any solutions to our current predicament.

Oh well.

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Evidence?

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his however many years of continual improvement against the odds.

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Mud sticking........JC must be absolutely covered in Bull **** every time you're in range of him !!!

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It is no use for us as fans to be falling out amongst ourselves, JB is manager at the minute and we should stick together and give the team our support. We have had a period of 2 years of instability and cannot afford to keep losing managers through them leaving or being sacked. This just adds to an unstable working environment that doesn't help the players to become used to a manager and their tactics etc.

The basic reality is that we have no money, we are making massive losses and the club can ill afford to pay off Beattie. So unless anyone wants to stump up the cash to pay him off, we are stuck with him unless he walks away. We as fans have always given every manager a fair crack of the whip, so why are people calling for his head after 10 league games? It is far too early in the season to be sacking anybody and the squad is ravaged by injuries at the minute. That means that JB has struggled to put a team out that would be his first choice.

As a club we don't have any God given right to be guaranteed to stay in the division so if we do go down it would hardly be a shock. We have been punching above our weight in the league for 7 years but maybe our luck has run out. As supporters we just need to get behind the lads and support them when they are on the pitch.

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It is no use for us as fans to be falling out amongst ourselves, JB is manager at the minute and we should stick together and give the team our support. We have had a period of 2 years of instability

I don't agree, if anything going from Cook to Leam continued the stability.
And Beattie was at the club as a player/coach last year, so again their was some stability
and cannot afford to keep losing managers through them leaving or being sacked.
We haven't sacked a manager?
Coley and Cook left for better opportunities, Leam left to be a number 2
This just adds to an unstable working environment that doesn't help the players to become used to a manager and their tactics etc.
Good players adapt to whoever the manager is. The problem we have, some of our players are not very good.
The basic reality is that we have no money, we are making massive losses and the club can ill afford to pay off Beattie.
This is true (sadly).
So unless anyone wants to stump up the cash to pay him off,
I can add £20 to the fund if it will help
we are stuck with him unless he walks away. We as fans have always given every manager a fair crack of the whip, so why are people calling for his head after 10 league games?
Because there has been little to nothing to suggest results will improve
It is far too early in the season to be sacking anybody and the squad is ravaged by injuries at the minute.
This is not true, and other Stanley manager's have had far worse injury list.
This is his team , his players.
He has signed players who have been injury crooks all their careers, so why the sudden surprise when they get injured?
No excuse
That means that JB has struggled to put a team out that would be his first choice.
Not true.
Every single player (except Murphy I think) where signed/re-signed in the summer.
Its his team, his signings.
As a club we don't have any God given right to be guaranteed to stay in the division so if we do go down it would hardly be a shock.
But we must do everything we can to sustain it, especially when you consider the financial cost for going down
We have been punching above our weight in the league for 7 years but maybe our luck has run out.
No such thing as luck - your either good enough or your not good enough
As supporters we just need to get behind the lads and support them when they are on the pitch.
Please point to one post which has said anything other than support the team?
But does that mean we are not allowed to debate the awful results and performances which have been served up on an independent forum?

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As someone has previously said - there is currently no vacancy, so most comments are pretty academic.

Tell you what DAV007 - you are seriously and uniquely deluded in your support for JC. In fact you must be connected in some way. Blind loyalty is a dangerous trait.

As I said, by all means give the bloke credit and never forget what he did for Accy, but don't ever think he is up to the current task or has any future at Accy.

It's "off to Hell in a handcart" if he ever held the reins at the Crown Ground again. Accy v Stockport County quicker than you could say what happened !

Wake up and stop hanging on to history. It's tomorrow's chip wrappers.

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Harrysmate
I refer you to my post number 89 on this thread,
Once again, you have come to the table empty handed.

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Fed up of reading the same old crap from DAV007.........?

Then do what ive just done and add the dick head to your ignore list.........sorted!

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Rather be empty-handed than empty-headed but that's your problem, not mine.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Once again Davo you have come to the table empty headed,I refer you to your post 94,"We as fans have always given every manager a FAIR CRACK Of THE WHIP" I assume yeh mean like YOU gave Leam?:rolleyes:

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Remember this image from the BBC website circa 2006 ?...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...leysign203.jpg

Have they ?... Will they have ?..... Who can instil this into the current squad ?.... When will we see it ?...


I remember painting this on the back of some wallpaper on our Lounge floor.

I wish I had the confidence NOW i had THEN.