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Dav........
I think that there are no gaps because that is the back row from which you can only move along and/or forward.:pain30:

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yea but they worth the effort



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Now we're getting to the bottom of things at last !.

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Been injured unfortunately !...infected L Thumb !.. plus the usual octogeneric failings !.

Keep swinging , golfwise that is !.

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https://twitter.com/asfcofficial/sta...98566270410754

Good news that more local sponsors are getting on board again!

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Commercial side is needed big time for a club like ours, its great news.

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Just popped up to have a sneck at things, a vast improvement on Clayton End, pitch looks magnificent, great credit to all involved, especially A.Holt.:)

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It is indeed, but I thought the Clayton End was known as the Sophia Khan Stand after Ilyas paid for the roof?:confused::confused:

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Think Ilyas paid for it to be named in honour of his mother long before the roof went on??

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From Andy holt via Twitter

Old behind the Clayton end
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CooUmPiW...jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CooUmPfX...jpg&name=large

Says the parasols are just a trail and provide bit of cover, see the response before getting more
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CooUmPhW...jpg&name=large

Must say the pitch is looking very good
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ConSbhwX...jpg&name=large

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Wonder what 'Mr T' thinks of wasting this money when we could go down next year?

Well done Andy Holt, looking forward to Saturday.

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when did mr t say that

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I wish people would stop posting massive photos on here, plays havoc with the text when looking at it on my phone

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Re named Clayton end

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CowWiMxW...jpg&name=large

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I was just wondering the same?

Get a better phone! :D ;)

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Might not make any difference - could just be me eyesight :rolleyes:

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I know it's not a big deal for those of you that stand but I would like it if there was a better way of marking the seats for season ticket holders, rather than the paper labels that peel off and stick to the back of your coat on the first day!

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put the paper labels underneath the part of the seat you sit on. that should do the trick.

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You're lucky if you even get a paper label of any description - we had to make our own & stick 'em on ourselves on last season :rolleyes:

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Those few moments spent in the joys of creativity would not have been wasted !...good for the soul I would have thought.

Did you notice any uplift following the activity ?. 😈

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Not exactly Alan, but having tangible proof that the said seat was reserved did give me the courage of my convictions to ask someone to vacate it if necessary :)
Not that we often have the problem of invaders but it came in useful towards the end of the season when the world & his mother were craving tickets for those closing games :rolleyes:

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From the Official Twitter page...

@ASFCofficial home games-Clayton End parking £100 for the season (inc cup games) right outside the turnstiles - contact Sophie...

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The improvements are looking really good......
MASSIVE appreciation to Andy Holt for his input!:mosher::alright:

The pitch is looking wonderful too....
Thanks again Andy and also to Buzza!:notworthy

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What you save in parking you'll be paying in broken windows from balls going over stand

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Newport Home thread 14/15 suggested it to me saying we met non-league standards for water in relation to the toilets.

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I checked out the toilets in The Clayton End last night at the Season Ticket Launch..........
Yes they really do FLUSH.........:pain30:
and yes there is hot water!:thumbsup:

The new work done this summer is splendid and The Clayton End looks superb!:theband:
Well done Andy Holt and his team!:love::love::love:

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Not the Clayton End but looks like the garages at the side of the the Clubhouse...

https://twitter.com/andyhholt/status/772782120733405184

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https://twitter.com/andyhholt/status/785184667150483456

Exciting times!

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How much grant money was lost by starting the redevelopment without permission?

That ensured I never buy a raffle ticket again, amateur hour stuff after all that money raised for the changing rooms.

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That "changing room money" went towards the Clayton End Fan Zone!

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Indeed :). But is the JB stand development now happening before the Cowshed side? I get confused, and do wish the club would put more on fishy - I just can't stand Twitter, or take anything on there seriously.

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Agree the fishy is were the info should always be put, any fool can put anything on titter.:rolleyes:

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And the clayton end started without permission and therefore lost the grant funding. May as well have just flushed it down the bog.

There is no fan zone either bar a sign saying the concourse is a fanzone, nothing like what was pitched. Well intended stuff but poorly executed.

Price of plastic going up up after the brexit....

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The work HAD to be done over the summer, there wasnt time to file for grant funding. Had we got grant funding then we'd have got less next time etc ... so it was done there and then without any 'free' money. As for permission, my understanding is that any work carried out was done so with council backing and overseen by building regs all along - but official planning permission was only granted retrospectively, again due to the timing of it all. I cant understand what any fuss is about, every £1 less in the club is an extra £1 that AH has to find and he doesnt seem to mind.

My memory of grant funding for stands is that they will pay up to 40% but it came on the proviso that they must be all seater ... therefore it would make sense that any application was saved for the biggie.

I'll say it again but I damn well wish we had some kind of proper announcement of all development plans. It's an excuse to get a little excited at the direction we're going in, a chance to show potential fans that we're serious about evolving, and a chance to understand why certain things aren't necessarily as we thought they might be

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The issue according to Mr Holt's twitter was they had to start before permission to get the toilets finished in time. Why not just request to play away games at the start of the season like Liverpool did or use temporary ones?

You can't claim grant in retrospect in any walk of life, "rules is rules", yep and we would have been better following them.

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‏@AndyhHolt Aug 19
Football foundation didn't allow our grant, we started without permission. Wouldn't have completed it otherwise��

Andyh ‏@AndyhHolt Aug 19
I knew the rules, they knew we had to start or we would be without proper toilets and have no football all winter. Rules is rules I suppose.

They were the tweets with he photo of the Clayton End.

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Andy Holt has done tremendous so far

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:) Your right Dave hes done wonders so far :) Still think a full length version of the clayton end running the full length of the whinney all seated would look far better than whats on offer at the mo.

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https://twitter.com/dpb1961/status/799647388763820032

More much needed developments!

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Step by step....:)

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I'm all for improvements, but why would you live stream the game that the fans have come to watch live out side in the stands! Half time show the highlights and at the end of the game. Having said that the sports bar looks 100% better :)

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Maybe the live streaming is for the prawn butty brigade who wouldn't want to go outside to watch the game? Bit strange if you ask me but each to their own :)

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More stadium improvements...

https://twitter.com/dpb1961/status/808976165046251520

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Tarmac job started this morning on the Clayton End Car Park...Hopefully no more puddles to dodge to get to the turnstiles from now on!

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Keep yer wellies on mate!
Spoke to one of the workmen preparing new kerbs at the bottom of the Crown car park steps, who told me they were laying in stages, starting from behind Clayton End up to the Sports Bar.
The main access lane from Livingstone Rd will be the last to be surfaced.

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Just had a sneck behind Clayton End, tis coming on great imho.:) will look very well when complete.who would have even dreamt this a couple of years ago?

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Can't wait to see it all the improvements when I'm up later this month for the Grimbo game.

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Brilliant news

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Can now book your car park space behind the Clayton end 59 car park spaces plus 7 disabled spaces. Available at £5 per game, seasonal parking available too. Parking for home and away fans. All good news and only adds more income

Park closer to the action! ? Accrington Stanley

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Does the fiver include bubble wrap to protect your car from loose balls flying over the stand? :)

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No, they'll be safe now McConville's not taking the free kicks. :rolleyes: (sorry, couldn't resist, only joking).

Do they, or have they ever held car boots around the ground in the close season? Those hard surfaces look ideal; sellers behind the Clayton End and punters parking behind the Coppice End. Don't know how popular they are these days but they can bring in some extra money for the club and can be held without the need for planning permission if it's restricted to about 26 days a year.

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they had a carboot sale there at the end of the season

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Hold the presses - according to its website, Hyndburn Borough Council has the SOLE right to hold markets in the town! Presumably only a registered charity would get permission?

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Markets on Clayton end car park? Just be something else for neighbours to complain about

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think it was a OASSC event

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here we go again. bloody councils. not just hyndburn they,re all alike. if there,s nothing in it for them you can,t do a thing. there,s some outthere actually want to give em even more power. god help us.

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Not quite Clayton End but Stadium Development...Andy Holt has tweeted that the Cow Shed is being taken down by the end of the season...

https://twitter.com/andyhholt/status/901741965166997504

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Whinney Hill coming down, doesn't say that anythings going up

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Do you really think it will be getting demolished with no plans of anything being rebuilt?

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Don't know the exact details of the planning consent but, if the description of development included words "demolition of existing structure" then carrying out that work should 'implement' the approval, and thus 'secure' the erection of the new stand at any date in the future without needing to renew the planning consent. :)

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Hey Mr Baldy - on twitter you wrote "People moaning because it's been announced that Cowshed is being demolished but not announced anything replacing it �� #AccyWebMentality"

Surely that doesn't refer to Lemur's innocuous remark does it?

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Thats a typical remark from yon mon LordD.:rolleyes:thats cos theres accywebMentality @ pillock mentality imho.

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The 'Cow Shed' coming down!!!!
No... No ....No....Surely it's a Grade Two Listed Building!!!!!!:hidewall::D;):dancedog:

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It will be interesting to see how long it takes to put the new stand in it's place. In defence of the local Council around here over many years. The local Council has been more helpful to the club than most other Councils would have been to their own clubs. It is a small Council and a small club working together for the retention and promotion of the club. The Council have little or no money but do use whatever they have to help. If there was to be a car boot at the club I can't see anybody bothering. The real thing that we need to look at is why there is so much investment in a new stand which would not increase capacity. An illogical step.

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Why would we want to increase capacity can't fill it now but Andy is trying to improve the stadium and the match day experience, but some people are,not happy about it and try and find problems.

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I don't know if a new stand is to be built (and am indifferent as, when I can get to the Crown, prefer to stand on the Clayton End) but there are at least two good reasons to go ahead
1. to provide a seating area that gives a proper view of the pitch. The current stands are poor, too low, with views blocked by constant comings and goings and subs warming up. Didn't you claim in another thread that you couldn't see the West Brom game from your seat, Chrisr?
2. to provide better facilities, especially toilets.

I'd be delighted if Mr.Holt decided to go ahead with a new stand but no doubt on here it still wouldn't satisfy some.

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Agree with Exile,also it may well increase away support, i have spoke to quite a few away fans oer the years and the main consensus was we have never been to stanley glad we have aint gonna return cos its rough as rats, if its a better place to come word will soon get round imho.An increased away support will certainly help things?

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Surely this must be a good sign & perhaps indicates the clubs negotiations to buy the ground from the council may be proceeding.
No tenant would agree to invest the sums required for this type of project without first owning the freehold.
The Cowshed has become an embarrassing reminder from our non-league days.
As it also houses the TV camera's, something must be constructed to enable recording to continue.
Can't imagine they'll knock it down & simply rebuild a scaffold tower for the TV crew?

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That is not true at all. Get a long enough lease and it is immaterial, as the lease will probably last longer than the stand.

You don't have to look far to find new stadiums built without freehold.

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Only a fool would spend thousands (or even millions) as a leaseholder.
Any improved asset value only benefits the owner of the freehold.

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Maybe this is the way to go, I think we all know by now that we are not going to bring in support from Accy or the surrounding area, so if we had better facilities we may get more support from Yeovil

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Well as everything else has failed, its worth trying imho.

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Well as i.ve said before last year Carlisle took 3k to Blackpool at around this time in the season so that should be the target the Stanley management should be aiming to attract and the target by which their efforts should be judged on.

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problem for away fans is they have a choice. get wet through standing or sit in the cow shed where if you,re 6ft or more there is no leg room. once bitten etc. even pompey fans didn,t return in the numbers of their first visit.

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I'm quite fond of the cowshed myself - certainly don't think of it as an 'embarrassing reminder' of our non league days - more of a 'look how far we've come' sort of thing. I know it has to go but the place won't be the same without it, wonder if the club has thought of selling bits of it off after the demolition??

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Yer leaving yerself wide open wi that comment Di.:D:D

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Trust you!! :D I know what I meant even if it sounded wrong:rolleyes:

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How come no one knows what's replacing the cow shed?
Surely it can't be the proposed stand muted last season given our gates?

Have we not got previous on poorly thought through white elephant stand building?

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Not sure of the detailed plans of the Cow Shed or what's going to be built within it or who it will be used for but let's presume it's something similar to the Main Stand now.

If you was a family would you be more encouraged to sit in a stand like the Main Stand or the Cow Shed?

If you was an away fan on a 500 mile round trip would you rather, Stand on an open terrace and get soaked, Sit in the Cow Shed or Sit in a stand like the Main Stand?

For years we've been crying out for stadium upgrades and now they're actually happening people are moaning...Can't get my head around it!

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Why dont people shut it and wait see?:rolleyes:

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Surely, we have no alternative but to replace the stand, as we don't have the required number of seats in the ground to meet Football League requirements, since the Clayton End seats were removed?

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Good point that Wyn, never dawned on me.;)

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'Surely, we have no alternative but to replace the stand, as we don't have the required number of seats in the ground to meet Football League requirements, since the Clayton End seats were removed?'

They were removed because we had plans to build a stand.

If its the plan as first mooted I still don't get who the hecks going to sit in it apart from a few guys who don't like to stand or can't stand.

It might look good but if its sparsely populated it'll likely end up not being used to save money, sucking atmosphere from the ground.

I find it hard to believe it'll have a material impact on away fans at our level. They don't tend to be fickle types.

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And Somerset won't need to bring his umbrella!:rolleyes:

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obviously yeh dont converse with that many? our facilities for away fans are pretty disgraceful.

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'obviously yeh dont converse with that many? our facilities for away fans are pretty disgraceful'.

I'm not arguing that point: I agree with you, but would they not be better catered for by improving the Coppice end rather than building a new stand?

My question is, would the additional away fans that would come as a result of improving the facilities be enough to fill a new stand on a reasonably regular basis?

If the answer is no, then we have a nice shiny, empty, atmosphere-depleting stand.

Out of interest is Morecombe's away gate regularly higher than ours for comparable fixtures? This would give a good indication of the likely impact of a decent ground on away support.

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Theres many things to consider imho. our own fans for one, some of them say they dont get a good view if they are moved from their seats for cup games, so its possible that could be the home fans stand?:confused: not convinced they would like that though.:D plus as wyn has said, we aint got enough seats to satisfy the ******* that make the rules since removing clayton ends seats.

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The ground for all its faults is a homely little atmospheric place. I hope the developments don't inadvertantly destroy this.

I've been through this once before and would hate to see it happen at Stanley.

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...which is exactly what we are doing. Are you suggesting that we don't build a stand and get expelled from the league for flouting ground regulations?

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I can't recall from the original planning application, but surely the new stand as proposed was intended to provide more than just seats?
What about the long overdue changing room facilities - the current one's are infamously inadequate.
Perhaps new offices, toilets, club bar etc. All of these could be incorporated beneath a new stand.
If Andy Holt is prepared to invest in such a project, why moan about it?
Much as I enjoy the Clayton End, my standing days won't last forever.

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Good sense in that, my standing days wont last forever neither.cannot understand people moaning about an obvious improvement.:confused:

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Those are all good things Lord Stiffie but I can't get away from the fact a large empty stand contributes to a poor matchday atmosphere.

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'Good sense in that, my standing days wont last forever neither.cannot understand people moaning about an obvious improvement.'

An improved infrastructure at the cost of matchday atmosphere.

BTW You guys do know there are seats in the mainstand?

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So come on then whats this atmosphere that comes from the cowshed?? We stand Clayton End near the cowshed end and we have never witnessed it.:confused: on that basis how can it be any worse on that side?

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Fear not Inspector!
We'll be playing int' Championship by then!
Can't sit in the main stand - I've been banned by AccyMad!

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'So come on then whats this atmosphere that comes from the cowshed?? We stand Clayton End near the cowshed end and we have never witnessed it. on that basis how can it be any worse on that side?'

Its not the atmosphere from the Cowshed.

The new stand is likely to dwarf the rest of the ground according to initial plans. If it ends up largely empty it will give a vacous feel like being in an Ikea warehouse. What noise is created will end up sounding tinny. A small crowd in a small space just gives more atmosphere than a small crowd in a big space.

So if we can fill it no probs.

That being said I do love the Cowshed.

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I get the idea that a new stand would create a worse atmosphere - some would vacate the Clayton End, some would vacate the main stand, so those areas would suffer and we could end up with 3 quiet stands.

However, 3 points come to mind.

1) the new stand would allow for development of the away end by giving us somewhere to put them.

2) I'd like to see the new stand be designated as a family stand. We would put concerted efforts into increasing that particular area. I would leave the Clayton End if we had a specific area to go to, as it stands my 9 year old stands on his own because he cant see - and I dont like that

3) we've had numerous moans on here recently (and rightly so) because of having to give seats up for non-STH games. Fact is we dont have enough seats to give some to away fans, some to media/hospitality/scouts/players etc AND then have enough left over for STH to sit where they went AND then leave enough seats together for groups


We dont know Andy's Grand Plan, and I'm not convinced that Andy does. Thus far he has done diddly squat with regards to getting the kids in. I know for a fact he would like to, and I know for a fact that he speaks often about legacy, and community. It's his momey that he's spending and his money that he's losing by not having hoardes of kids through the gate. I'm fairly sure that he wants both points to end sooner rather than later

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If it's not increasing capacity like some people say it's hardly going to be a 10,000 seater stand is it?

If you was an away fan and you'd seen it was expecting showers you'd think twice about coming!

Like people have said, The Cow Shed is out dated now if the money is there, then why not? Andy has said he will never risk anything so he must be pretty happy with the financial side of the new stand?

Maybe it will have offices in the new stand that we can rent out all year round or hospitality?

Also, who's to say the commercial team dont have or won't have a sponsor lined up to sponsor the new stand?...Hard to convince someone to put thousands of pounds in to sponsor the Cow Shed as it is now...

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Andy holt been talking about this again tonight on twitter says will need the capacity and better without the seats that didn't fit, info to follow but it won't have a Concourse, and be able to drop the coppice end at some point, will be all seater.

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In answer to His Lordship, yes, but there are only much needed toilets, several kiosks, store and plant rooms on the ground floor beneath the seating. No changing rooms or offices.

The reason, Inspector Morse, is because it is not a "large" stand that has been approved. Just a modest improvement that would, I suggest, give a much better view of the game, and facilities, than the existing 'stands'.

If you want to check yourself, search for Application No. 11/16/0132 on Hyndburn's planning web page.