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st06nc2 05-11-2016 09:13

Morecambe
 
The PFA have had to step in due to players and staff not been paid, new owners not looking so good now eh

Exile on Spencer St 05-11-2016 10:08

Re: Morecambe
 
Nothing to gloat about, there but for fortune, Ilyas Khan, Peter Marsden, and Andy Holt are Stanley and many clubs.

monkey hanger 05-11-2016 10:09

Re: Morecambe
 
true, be careful what you wish for. heard there,s a sell out of buckets in morecambe today.

MikeA 05-11-2016 10:18

Re: Morecambe
 
Good luck to Morecambe and their fans. After all, I'd much rather be playing teams like them than some of the others we come up against.

baldy 05-11-2016 11:18

Re: Morecambe
 
Feel sorry for the true fans as we've been there before!

I do still remember Morecambe fans gloating at the sound of buckets rattling in Accrington in '09 though!

Morecambe_Red 05-11-2016 11:19

Re: Morecambe
 
Cheers for the good wishes.

Hopefully we will get some answers soon from the people in charge.

Lord Didsbury 05-11-2016 11:24

Re: Morecambe
 
Hope it works out Morecambe Red

Lemur 05-11-2016 11:33

Re: Morecambe
 
bet sergie and tara are loving this on confguide

AccyMad 05-11-2016 12:13

Re: Morecambe
 
Hope it's all sorted soon & it comes out that it's just been a misunderstanding - the friendly rivalry & banter between our clubs is one thing but wouldn't want any club to go through what we did

st06nc2 05-11-2016 13:02

Re: Morecambe
 
They also needed a loan from the PFA in April which was secured against club land there's also a Barclays loan and a debenture outstanding

Christies Child 05-11-2016 13:15

Re: Morecambe
 
Goes to show that clubs with gates that can't support the cost of wages need both a benefactor who is prepared to bankroll the club and a successful commercial department.

Our problems will be the forerunner of a growing number of FL clubs and will seriously put into question if the current structures of Leagues 1 and 2 will ultimately be changed to a North and South structure.

st06nc2 05-11-2016 13:16

Re: Morecambe
 
Don't worry half of your lads played for us they're used to not getting paid ontime

Chrisr 05-11-2016 14:18

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christies Child (Post 1180648)
Goes to show that clubs with gates that can't support the cost of wages need both a benefactor who is prepared to bankroll the club and a successful commercial department.

Our problems will be the forerunner of a growing number of FL clubs and will seriously put into question if the current structures of Leagues 1 and 2 will ultimately be changed to a North and South structure.

The real answer is there in front of the FA's face. They need to distribute the income far more fairly to the lower leagues and the grass roots. Including Ladies football. The whole financial structure has been in need of a fairer system for years. It is poor when league clubs are threatened with going out of business due to lack of finance or even worse poor management. I don't mean the football manager. If the people who are in charge of a club whether they own it or not They FA should have a team of experienced people to be able to help a club out with advice or if it is beyond that the FA should take over the running of the club until a new owner can be found.

Christies Child 05-11-2016 14:53

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisr (Post 1180660)
The real answer is there in front of the FA's face. They need to distribute the income far more fairly to the lower leagues and the grass roots. Including Ladies football. The whole financial structure has been in need of a fairer system for years. It is poor when league clubs are threatened with going out of business due to lack of finance or even worse poor management. I don't mean the football manager. If the people who are in charge of a club whether they own it or not They FA should have a team of experienced people to be able to help a club out with advice or if it is beyond that the FA should take over the running of the club until a new owner can be found.

Totally agree, but things will remain the same because the Premier League and TV companies couldn't give a toss for clubs at our level. TV companies would rather contribute to clubs paying millions per season to mediocre players than ensure that money is distributed fairly.

baldy 05-11-2016 15:28

Re: Morecambe
 
This is just another reminder how we shouldn't rely on Andy Holts money and really need to build a stronger fan base to help become more self sufficient for the long term!

maccawozzagod 05-11-2016 16:10

Re: Morecambe
 
Surely its just cashflow due to the change in ownership?

We'll see this every year from now on. Until a 'proper' club goes under clubs will carry on spending money to try to keep up. I've said many times that I'd be perfectly happy to drop a couple of leagues if it means living within our means. Clubs rely on an Andy Holt to come in and wave his chequebook, when its empty we look for the next one. It HAS to stop. Like Baldy says we simply must look to expansion of the fanbase before we chase League 1.

Even if doubled our fanbase we'd still be almost bottom of the attendance tables - that is the scale of our task

cashman 05-11-2016 18:23

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1180668)
This is just another reminder how we shouldn't rely on Andy Holts money and really need to build a stronger fan base to help become more self sufficient for the long term!

True, much easier said than done though.

Chrisr 05-11-2016 19:16

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1180676)
Surely its just cashflow due to the change in ownership?

We'll see this every year from now on. Until a 'proper' club goes under clubs will carry on spending money to try to keep up. I've said many times that I'd be perfectly happy to drop a couple of leagues if it means living within our means. Clubs rely on an Andy Holt to come in and wave his chequebook, when its empty we look for the next one. It HAS to stop. Like Baldy says we simply must look to expansion of the fanbase before we chase League 1.

Even if doubled our fanbase we'd still be almost bottom of the attendance tables - that is the scale of our task

Whilst I agree with the sentiment I have no confidence in the current off field manager to market the club. Accrington Stanley is a world wide brand, with a third world setup, You can't buy a ticket online, or book a table for the sports club without ringing up. Away fans should be able to go online and purchase a ticket. We are not organised anything like a professional club. The football side are doing the best they can. Andy Holt is totally committed that only leaves the general management and marketing to improve. We need someone with people skills and proper up to date skill in motivating the workforce. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The things I have mentioned are basics. We are penny wise and pound foolish in some areas. why are we struggling to keep fans? we had a few big crowds last season but never actually sold out despite what was said. we need to get to the bottom of the the problem. we can only do that by asking the fairweather supporters why they don't come on more often. I have observed some of the inconsistencies in the ticket pricing when we excluded loyalty card holders. I am afraid to say we are paying a Higher league price for a lower league club. That does not just include price. I am well aware how much Andy is putting into the club and I for one want to help him succeed by offering suggestions and constructive criticism where I feel it is helpful. We all should be offering suggestions for consideration.

sherry 05-11-2016 19:57

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisr (Post 1180696)
You can't buy a ticket online, or book a table for the sports club without ringing up. Away fans should be able to go online and purchase a ticket. We are not organised anything like a professional club.

Guess what it takes to set up these systems and implement other ideas put forward? Money. Surely there is a list of things as long as your arm to achieve the perceived utopia of professionalism and choices have to be made and Andy is the one to do this.

Meanwhile the supporters could get involved where they can, keep enjoying the football and encourage others to do the same.

baldy 05-11-2016 22:14

Re: Morecambe
 
You sure you're not holding the issue you had about disabled ticketing change when talking about the current "off the field manager" ChrisR?

The club are setting up turnstiles that can use a "credit card" type season ticket that you can just scan, But due to the work on the Clayton End this summer it was impossible to get it up and running this season!...Andy Holt has said tickets will be eventually be able to be bought online but things tale time!

I really think for the long term building of the fan base we need to offer cheaper tickets for u16, I'd rather 3 fans pay £5 each than 1 paying £15...let them get the "Stanley Bug" itll take a few years to see the benefits but building a fan base isn't going to happen over night anyway!

Also ChrisR mentions "marketing" is that including the Clayton End and Maon Stand having a sponsor for the first time in a few years?

A lot of bridges got burnt by previous chairmen by not treating sponsors properly so it's another long process of getting their trust back again!

What I do know is Accrington Stanley is in the best position on and off the field that we've ever been!

maccawozzagod 05-11-2016 22:16

Re: Morecambe
 
On the subject of ticketing etc Chris ...

DB said (at the last supporters club meeting) that the ticketing process was ongoing and was almost 'right'. The goal is fully automated turnstiles and seadon ticket holders will use a credit card type thing. Some staff already have them for getting in and out of the ground. This is expected to be fully operational by next season.

On the subject of mistakes ... he acknowledged that things werent perfect but when an error occurs it takes 2 weeks til the next home game until a new 'process' can be tried, which invariably throws up a newer problem. At the time of the meeting we had played 8 games at home so had had 8 goes at rectifying mistakes. It's coming together though.

One problem is ticketing for guests of ST holders. If there are 2 of you normally sat together you wont know where you could sit additional guests so couldnt guarantee sitting together. The current process is probably to try sitting here, there or everywhere until you get moved. The new system will have live data showing which seats are currently unsold, find a block of seats adequate for your needs and book 'em. Your usual seats then become available for others.

In the past we've made errors without necessity as little else has been going on, now though I find it forgiveable because such a lot is going on through all aspects of the club.

We are on the cusp of exciting things happening at the club, its really not worth giving any extra thought to some of the more trivial things. I didnt like the idea of cashless turnstiles, it wasnt necessary. However, it is part of a streamlined wider picture so I can live with it. Staff can be put to better use elsewhere ... such as the food and drink outlets (staff last year = 1 ... staff this year 6+?).

On the subject of the outlets ... DB said they were very happy with the upturn in income from these. They have been substantially improved from last year. This is income we've NEVER had as a professional club and will reap dividends when it is ground wide.

Stick with guys, we're not too far away

maccawozzagod 05-11-2016 22:23

Re: Morecambe
 
Beat me to it Baldy!

Another point raised there is the sponsorship deals, 6 figures of income to the club as well as a couple of new business relationships.

The Blackrock deal came about from a Canadian chap looking into academies where his son could learn for a short while whilst in the country for holidays (or something similar - dont hold me to the exact detail). He was so impressed by the youth set up, and the coaching they received, that he sponsored the kit. He was further impressed by the follow up service that he received, such as photos of the team wearing their new kit, that he rang and asked how he could further get involved.

We're on it chaps.

Lord Didsbury 05-11-2016 22:26

Re: Morecambe
 
Well presented opinions all round today on this.
I think the owner and MD have both done really well. As long as things improve month-on-month then why would we have real cause to complain. At some point everything will be sorted.

baldy 05-11-2016 22:58

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1180715)
The Blackrock deal came about from a Canadian chap looking into academies where his son could learn for a short while whilst in the country for holidays (or something similar - dont hold me to the exact detail). He was so impressed by the youth set up, and the coaching they received, that he sponsored the kit. He was further impressed by the follow up service that he received, such as photos of the team wearing their new kit, that he rang and asked how he could further get involved

Was one of the guys to sponsor one of the Wycombe coaches last season...Only been involved with Stanley for a short while but is absolutley Stanley mad!

maccawozzagod 05-11-2016 22:58

Re: Morecambe
 
Dodgy Diego has been on Radio Lancs to say that it is just initial cashflow and everything will be sorted by next week.

Jobs a good 'un then, we can end the love in and resume hostilities :eek: do one Cockle Pickers!

Lemur 06-11-2016 07:53

Re: Morecambe
 
david o'neill springs to mind he i think

baldy 06-11-2016 10:22

Re: Morecambe
 
Was reading ShrimpsVoices and a few fans have been suspicious of their new chairman in some of his interviews he has given!

Morecambe_Red 06-11-2016 16:29

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1180752)
Was reading ShrimpsVoices and a few fans have been suspicious of their new chairman in some of his interviews he has given!

I don't think Diego the Brazilian has a lot of money.

His Co Chairman Abdul who is from Qatar seems as though he has some so hopefully the wages will be paid. It must be miserable when your wages don't go in.

football19 06-11-2016 17:13

Re: Morecambe
 
Should only start worrying when you haven't been paid for three months !!!

odders 06-11-2016 18:29

Re: Morecambe
 
What will be will be. I wouldn't be that surprised going off there recent form, they were sold a million promises...again only to be let down. The whole system of ownership under FA rules is corrupt

Chrisr 06-11-2016 19:00

Re: Morecambe
 
I fully welcome the return discussions. To answer Sherry yes I do know what it takes and cost's to set up an automated ticketing system. But we have to ask how long can we do without it. You are absolutely right Andy will be the one with the ultimate say and so it should be. To answer Baldy, I am not holding onto the disabled concession removal of last season as that ship has sailed. I still believe it was not the best move the club has ever made but it is done. I have choked a little on your wild statement that the turnstiles will be automated to accept season tickets?? was this not said last season when cashless turnstiles were introduced for safety measures? Then the MD was sat in a tent taking cash and issuing tickets. we have received emails recently saying we had to bring the whole book instead of just the ticket so they could be scanned?? it has not happened at the main stand entrance. You quoted that DB acknowledged that the ticketing system was experiencing problems. Ticketing systems used by many other sports venues are in place very quickly and very little in the way of problems, why not us? I accept that there is a lot going on at the club and for the betterment, I am delighted that the income from sponsors is increasing and the food outlets. I think you will find the food outlet suggestions were put forward by the fans and were acted on with a successful conclusion. I think the points I have mentioned are well made in that the supporters are a great source of information. Now as some will always see any criticism of the club's off field management is sacrilege. Then somehow convert that to some kind of attack on Andy Holt really need to take a step back and look at the cold hard reality and act before the problems do get out of hand, How many fans brought a friend to the last few games. The fan base needs to be at the very least 2500+ to maintain the club. Andy Holt can only do so much and we all as fans should do what bit we can to help. If that means offering constructive criticism then so be it. I also offer praise where improvements have been made. The criticisms I have mentioned are really basic stuff. we need to discuss the problems as why people are not coming to the club. If we have to listen to criticism then so be it but it is the way react that counts. It is good that the forum is actually realising there is a problem in attendances and administration even if they are considered temporary. I know we are in the best place we have been since Adam was a lad, Now is the time to push forward, with our brand people should be clamouring for our stuff and football. This is not happening and we need to understand why.

baldy 06-11-2016 21:59

Re: Morecambe
 
Not sure where which turnstiles you use ChrisR, assuming you haven't seen the Clayton End turnstiles with the barcode scanners?...From what I believe from next season, season tickets will be like the loyalty cards are now and you can just scan your card for each match...!

You say ticketing systems are in place quickly at other sports venues why not us? I think because we didn't have time to give the scanners a trial run before the season due to the tight deadline of the Clayton End being finishes the club was left with no option to issue the books like we had last season instead of just winging it and hoping the new scanners would work without any issues...could have been a nightmare if we had gone down that route!

Dave Burgess 9 times out of 10 is around on match days near the bottom of The Corwn steps before the game if you ever have a problem I'm sure he'd be willing to reassure you!

baldy 09-11-2016 09:12

Re: Morecambe
 
Anybody heard if Morecambe players have been paid yet?

monkey hanger 09-11-2016 09:24

Re: Morecambe
 
they won,t be the only club i,m sure that can,t pay players wages this season in the lower leagues. bucket rattling at our level v new ferrari purchases in the premier league. for me it stinks.

football19 09-11-2016 10:42

Re: Morecambe
 
Brings back memories!!!
Must admit when I sat in the main stand ,the "Khan" above the goals always reminded me of Ilyas and the SOS people and how indebted the club was to them.
There's a little bit of sadness it's now been replaced with corporate advertising,but I hope it's never forgotten.

Morecambe_Red 09-11-2016 11:44

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1180977)
Anybody heard if Morecambe players have been paid yet?

They don't appear to have been paid judging by some player tweets.

We were rumoured to have sold Tom Barkhuizen to PNE for cash now , play for them in January but its not been confirmed.

baldy 09-11-2016 11:53

Re: Morecambe
 
I saw Michael Rose' tweet this morning "It's an absolute f*cking shambles, and I'm not even talking about Trump!"

To be fair though F19, if someone is willing to pay good money to advertise, We arnt in a position to turn it down!

Revived Red 09-11-2016 11:57

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1181003)
To be fair though F19, if someone is willing to pay good money to advertise, We arnt in a position to turn it down!

F19 never mentioned turning it down. He said that he hoped that the Khan contribution would never be forgotten. And he is absolutely correct.

smudgie 09-11-2016 13:45

Re: Morecambe
 
Hope Morecambe come through this bad time.

As others have said, would FAR rather play them twice a season than the majority of other League 2 clubs.

football19 09-11-2016 18:35

Re: Morecambe
 
Baldy,Revived is spot on,exciting times ahead,but I just hope people remember the past and people who saved Acci.

baldy 09-11-2016 19:14

Re: Morecambe
 
Sorry mate, i didn't read it properly!

I'm sure the loyal fans will always remember who have helped us in the past!

Chrisr 09-11-2016 20:01

Re: Morecambe
 
In answer to Baldy, I use the turnstiles next to the club shop. I do come down the metal steps from the crown. and go back that way. As for talking to DB I think not.
As for the scanners and website, Firstly the scanners can be set up to run quite quickly, As for going live on the website I know this may seem a daunting task but in the simple terms it is an easy site to set up, run . and manage. have a look at some other venues not just football. you have to put the basic seating plan in with the seat numbers and use a colour system for season ticket holders and if a s/t holder decides to bring a friend he/she can book the required seats and by entering the S?T seat no the computer system will allocate the seats and show a released S/T seat for sale for some one else. This saves a loss off possible seat sales. that is just one small example of a live web site benefitting the club. There are other benefits but I won't go into that here. The club needs to promote itself to the world never mind Accrington. We could also stream live matches to the continental fans as well as British Fans for a fee. This could be a club led offer as a package deal perhaps. Fans involvement via the supporters club may help, we all need to help. I am aware that things are not going to well on the pitch at the moment but off the pitch we can do our bit. if you have an idea put it on here and have it scrutinised by the forum.

baldy 09-11-2016 21:22

Re: Morecambe
 
Morecambe Football Club statement regarding Tom Barkhuizen

Very strange! Gone from "selling a player" to releasing him mid season!

Chimer 09-11-2016 21:40

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisr (Post 1181053)
In answer to Baldy, I use the turnstiles next to the club shop. I do come down the metal steps from the crown. and go back that way. As for talking to DB I think not.
As for the scanners and website, Firstly the scanners can be set up to run quite quickly, As for going live on the website I know this may seem a daunting task but in the simple terms it is an easy site to set up, run . and manage. have a look at some other venues not just football. you have to put the basic seating plan in with the seat numbers and use a colour system for season ticket holders and if a s/t holder decides to bring a friend he/she can book the required seats and by entering the S?T seat no the computer system will allocate the seats and show a released S/T seat for sale for some one else. This saves a loss off possible seat sales. that is just one small example of a live web site benefitting the club. There are other benefits but I won't go into that here. The club needs to promote itself to the world never mind Accrington. We could also stream live matches to the continental fans as well as British Fans for a fee. This could be a club led offer as a package deal perhaps. Fans involvement via the supporters club may help, we all need to help. I am aware that things are not going to well on the pitch at the moment but off the pitch we can do our bit. if you have an idea put it on here and have it scrutinised by the forum.

This post and those related to and preceding it are very interesting. But I'm not sure what they're doing in a thread about Morecambe's financial difficulties :confused:

Whatever, I'm sure the club (especially the person who I suspect runs the website as the 3rd or 4th task in their job description) would happily accept any offer from ChrisR to set up and manage this "simple" online ticketing system :D.

Morecambe_Red 09-11-2016 21:45

Re: Morecambe
 
The wages have been paid today so much relief at the Globe tonight.


Club Statement

Morecambe_Red 09-11-2016 21:47

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1181058)
Morecambe Football Club statement regarding Tom Barkhuizen

Very strange! Gone from "selling a player" to releasing him mid season!

I suspect that is to get round some rules.

I think we got either £175,000 or £200,000 from PNE for him.

maccawozzagod 09-11-2016 22:12

Re: Morecambe
 
Sam Allardyce got sacked for that!

Out with Diego!

AccyMad 10-11-2016 06:22

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Morecambe_Red (Post 1181060)
The wages have been paid today so much relief at the Globe tonight.


Club Statement

Relief I'm sure but maybe tempered by the fact you've had to sell, sorry 'release' one of your best players & the window's not even open yet, really hope you don't have a procession out of the doors when it does- good luck

st06nc2 10-11-2016 09:34

Re: Morecambe
 
Can we have our players back?

Christies Child 10-11-2016 14:47

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 1181096)
Can we have our players back?

I'm sure Rangers would oblige....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

st06nc2 22-12-2016 16:32

Re: Morecambe
 
Just heard their vice chairman has just left, I know a director has and sponsors are not renewing deals, is this the beginning of the end?

AccyMad 22-12-2016 16:53

Re: Morecambe
 
They're certainly in deep doo-doo, apparently the bloke who was supposed to have taken over - Diego somebody? has, according to a statement issued by the board today failed to deliver the investment which he promised.
Really feel for the players & their fans - there but for the grace & all that, hope it gets sorted but it's not looking too good

st06nc2 22-12-2016 17:12

Re: Morecambe
 
Whatever happened to be FA fit and proper test for new owners

AccyMad 22-12-2016 17:40

Re: Morecambe
 
It does make you wonder . . . . .

st06nc2 22-12-2016 17:53

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1183597)
It does make you wonder . . . . .

Spent all his money bribing the FA leaving non for morecambe

ossy kid 22-12-2016 19:03

Re: Morecambe
 
Promised and didn't deliver?? Sounds like Bob Lord again?

maccawozzagod 22-12-2016 19:07

Re: Morecambe
 
Taken from their website...

Following today’s Board meeting the Directors of Morecambe Football Club present would like to make the following statement:

Late yesterday, Wednesday 21st December, we as a Board became aware, Ali Abdulrahman Al Hashemi had tendered his resignation as Co Chairman and Director, effective as of Friday 25th November 2016.

Those present today would like to go on record to thank Mr Al Hashemi for his regrettably short tenure and wish him every success in the future.

The Board remains extremely concerned at the current state of affairs, as the current majority shareholder, Mr Diego Lemos, has failed to deliver on promised investment.

Communication with Mr Lemos continues to be difficult and he has now been out of the country since Thursday 17th November.

As a Board we understand the criticism levelled at us for the lack of communication and rumours that naturally follow. There are legal issues that need to be resolved before the complete story can be told but once these issues are resolved the Board would wish to provide further clarification.

The Board members who met today are united in their resolve to find solutions to the many problems facing Morecambe Football Club as a direct result of Mr Lemos’ continuing absence and his failure to deliver promised funding.

We are extremely conscious of our responsibilities to our loyal and valued staff, players and fans and we look forward to working with all stakeholders in order to achieve a positive resolution in the New Year.

We would finally ask all ‘shrimps’ fans and indeed the football fans of the town and wider community to please come and support Jim Bentley, the players and staff on Monday 2nd January v Crewe, 3pm kick off.

Board Members present today:

David Brockbank
Mark Dixon
Michael Hinchcliffe
Graham Howse
Peter McGuigan
Rod Taylor

Gary Taylor was not in attendance but seen and approved this statement.

There will be no further comment from the Club today but we will be speaking to all press outlets with a view to arranging interviews with available Board members between Xmas and the New Year.


Read more at Morecambe Football Club Statement 22nd December 2016

maccawozzagod 22-12-2016 19:15

Re: Morecambe
 
Nobody really wants to see other clubs facing the firing squad but they're up against it at the moment through no real fault of their own.

Nobody, from directors to fans, really seems to have a clue what is going on. They are supposedly releasing another statement on the 28th - which is the day that monthly wages are due. This has led fans to surmise that administration is on the cards. A club in disarray and no money is bad enough, couple that with 500k annual losses and nobody actually running the club or footing the bills and you can see the problem. Relegation could be the least of their problems if a long and protracted legal battle for ownership ensues.

Putting friendly rivalry aside I wish them all the best and will stand shoulder to shoulder with them when we play them next month. If any protests or demonstrations are afoot then I hope that we can get a few bodies over to help out. Many clubs were represented when we needed it, it's time to repay that camaraderie

DAV007 22-12-2016 20:39

Re: Morecambe
 
agree macca,
hope Morecambe turn ir round

st06nc2 22-12-2016 21:24

Re: Morecambe
 
It seems al Hashemi was diegos money man, can't see them lasting if he stays much longer

st06nc2 22-12-2016 21:29

Re: Morecambe
 
Considering the "wealthy" new owners used some small unknown asset finance broker from the North East as their "advisors", it does look as if their idea was always to borrow money on the ground, the stadium, the plant/equipment, etc via mortgages/re-leasing, rather than put money in themselves. I was surprised at the time, any genuinely wealthy buyers would be using the large respectable solicitors/accountants as their advisors, not what appears to be some small-time brokers. I hope that they havn't actually done any loans/lease back deals and just pocketed the money leaving the club worse off than before

monkey hanger 23-12-2016 10:17

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 1183596)
Whatever happened to be FA fit and proper test for new owners

seems only to apply to british people. how many other foreign owners are going to be allowed to interfere with our game. no good seems to come out of their involvment just loads of hassle for the fans. cardiff and blackburn are good examples and the glazers spawned a breakaway club. the whole thing about foreign ownership needs looking at quickly by the sweet f.a.

st06nc2 23-12-2016 16:54

Re: Morecambe
 
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...224792/charges

11 loans currently outstanding for Morecambe

Exile on Spencer St 23-12-2016 17:56

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 1183634)
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...224792/charges

11 loans currently outstanding for Morecambe

Is that one for each first team player?;)

cashman 23-12-2016 17:58

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1183637)
Is that one for each first team player?;)

Hope not or we are likely to be the loser.:eek:

st06nc2 23-12-2016 18:13

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1183637)
Is that one for each first team player?;)

Against assets aswell so if it does go tits up they've not a got a stand to stand on to paraphrase

maccawozzagod 23-12-2016 18:18

Re: Morecambe
 
Nothing recent there though so nothing sinister in light of recent events. Most recent is PFA from April

monkey hanger 25-12-2016 09:23

Re: Morecambe
 
hartlepools could be next. getting loans, unpaid income tax, unhappy fans that can,t seem to get to the bottom of whats going on. worrying times for my townsfolk.

cashman 25-12-2016 09:33

Re: Morecambe
 
Hope not small clubs are really struggling more than ever it seems these days.:eek:

Revived Red 25-12-2016 14:03

Re: Morecambe
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1183723)
Hope not small clubs are really struggling more than ever it seems these days.:eek:

While the big clubs get richer and richer, without a care for the poorer clubs. Some players earn in a week enough money to allow a small club to survive for a year. :mad:

choirboy 26-12-2016 12:06

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1183733)
While the big clubs get richer and richer, without a care for the poorer clubs. Some players earn in a week enough money to allow a small club to survive for a year. :mad:

It would be a nice idea if the over paid 'elite' players of the Premier League each adopted a club from the lower divisions and non league in order to put some of their earnings back into grass roots football! They could then turn up to watch 'their adopted team' occasionally which might help increase the gate and give the smaller clubs a bit of publicity too.:mosher:

Exile on Spencer St 26-12-2016 13:28

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 1183765)
It would be a nice idea if the over paid 'elite' players of the Premier League each adopted a club from the lower divisions and non league in order to put some of their earnings back into grass roots football! They could then turn up to watch 'their adopted team' occasionally which might help increase the gate and give the smaller clubs a bit of publicity too.:mosher:

Maybe, but it would severely reduced the profits at the tattoo parlours.

cashman 26-12-2016 13:30

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St (Post 1183775)
Maybe, but it would severely reduced the profits at the tattoo parlours.

And the knocking shops.

AccyMad 29-12-2016 10:48

Re: Morecambe
 
According to Radio Lancs Morecambe are now under a transfer embargo, presumably because of their financial problems - worrying times for the Shrimps

andyd 29-12-2016 11:42

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1183921)
According to Radio Lancs Morecambe are now under a transfer embargo, presumably because of their financial problems - worrying times for the Shrimps

Confirmed Cole Stockton whose been on loan at Shrimps returning to Tranmere in January.

monkey hanger 30-12-2016 07:41

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1183921)
According to Radio Lancs Morecambe are now under a transfer embargo, presumably because of their financial problems - worrying times for the Shrimps

looks as if kevin ellison will have to play into his 40.s for them.

yonmon 30-12-2016 10:28

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Revived Red (Post 1183733)
While the big clubs get richer and richer, without a care for the poorer clubs. Some players earn in a week enough money to allow a small club to survive for a year. :mad:

I venture to suggest RR that when the Financial Directors of the BIG Clubs get into their pecuniary mode and rub their grubby hands together, the farthest thought in their collective minds will be for the plight, or even the survival of the Morecambe and Hartlepool of this world !.
Unfortunately, this status quo is unlikely to change very little if at all whilst those who control our game also reap personal and corporate fortunes from their involvement in this fiscal merry-go-round.
The love of money, whilst being evil, as a reliable source would decree, is as prevalent in our game as in every other profit making organisation, and the inherent weakness of man in respect to feathering his own nest at the expense of his poorer neighbour will always direct his behaviour.
Now there's a philosophical thought to end my year on !...

KiTChener 31-12-2016 05:01

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1183969)
looks as if kevin ellison will have to play into his 40.s for them.

Thought he was already 47, trying to emulate the great Sir Stanley Matthews!

AccyMad 31-12-2016 07:07

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KiTChener (Post 1184036)
Thought he was already 47, trying to emulate the great Sir Stanley Matthews!

No, Sir Stanley didn't mind playing in puddles :rolleyes::D

yonmon 31-12-2016 10:03

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1184039)
No, Sir Stanley didn't mind playing in puddles :rolleyes::D

But ?..and I say this in all sincerity Diane !..somewhere in your mind's eye can you not see Kevin making a contribution to the search for the missing ingredients in t'Stanley's current non-striking strike force ?.
Just ignoring his apparent dislike of standing water on the playing area, if you were buying some January dead-legs or maybe a wide-eyed and fresh-faced ex-academy babe, would you not think "Hey !...Kevin Ellison just might be the one ! ".

Trusting you are well .

AccyMad 31-12-2016 11:37

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yonmon (Post 1184055)
But ?..and I say this in all sincerity Diane !..somewhere in your mind's eye can you not see Kevin making a contribution to the search for the missing ingredients in t'Stanley's current non-striking strike force ?.
Just ignoring his apparent dislike of standing water on the playing area, if you were buying some January dead-legs or maybe a wide-eyed and fresh-faced ex-academy babe, would you not think "Hey !...Kevin Ellison just might be the one ! ".

Trusting you are well .

Funnily enough Alan, Mr Ellison would definitely not be the first player to spring to mind in the quest for fresh legs . . . . . . . . wouldn't even be the last tbh :rolleyes:
I'm well thank you - currently in transit on way to the great metropolis otherwise known as Crewe, letting the train take the strain:)

yonmon 05-01-2017 16:03

Re: Morecambe
 
On twitter just now !.


Club Statement regarding PMG Leisure Ltd
The Morecambe Football Club Board of Directors wish it to be noted that PMG Leisure Ltd is owned by Diego Lemos and entered administration under his ownership and not, as reported in certain sectors of the press, by Peter McGuigan.

Despite numerous assurances from the businesses owner, Diego Lemos, that funds were available to pay its creditors. Once again such funds did not materialise. We are told that the businesses main creditor tried to contact Diego Lemos on numerous occasions without success. The first we knew of the problem was when the administrators were appointed and arrived on site the next day.

Discussions with the administrators have been very positive with the Community Staff and Development Centre able to continue to operate without any break in services or delivery. The pitches are available for the Clubs scholars to use and the control room is available for Matchday.

We would like to thank all of those fans who have called the Club today expressing their concern at this turn of events. The Club will be working with the PMG Leisure Staff and the administrators to manage the transition but the message is that it is definitely BUSINESS AS USUAL and we look forward to welcoming both the Development Centre players on Friday and all ‘shrimps’ fans to the Club this coming Saturday as we entertain Notts County in yet another huge game for Morecambe Football Club.

All other areas of the Morecambe Football Club Ltd business remains unaffected. The Players, Staff & Board would also like to thank the fans who have taken the time to write to the Club directly since the news of the troubles broke just before Xmas. It has been very positive to read all of the good wishes.

Watch this space?.

st06nc2 05-01-2017 16:14

Re: Morecambe
 
So if the administrators have turned up does this mean they're going into administration

Lemur 05-01-2017 16:30

Re: Morecambe
 
no, it is the building with the scoreboard on it, and the plastic pitches to the side of the ground that's in admin

AccyMad 05-01-2017 16:38

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That's right Lemur, as far as I can gather but the main worry now according to someone on their forum is that Morecambe Fc have a loan from Barclays which is secured against PMG Leisure - whatever's going on it's an absolute mess & will take some sorting out, best of luck to them

baldy 05-01-2017 16:40

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Yeah the 3G pitches and also the security control room they use on matchdays that is owned by PMG Leisure...Which I believe is Peter McGuigans company, He's Morecambes ex chairman who sold his Morecambe FC shares to Lemos!

Very very complicated to try and work out, after trying to read Morecambes message board!

maccawozzagod 05-01-2017 17:40

Re: Morecambe
 
If t'adminstrators are in then we need to be having a peep to see who we can get on the cheap.

Revived Red 05-01-2017 17:41

Re: Morecambe
 
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Originally Posted by baldy (Post 1184493)
Yeah the 3G pitches and also the security control room they use on matchdays that is owned by PMG Leisure...Which I believe is Peter McGuigans company

But the Morecambe statement says that PMG Leisure is the company of Diego Lemos, not Peter McGuigan.

st06nc2 05-01-2017 18:21

Re: Morecambe
 
If they lose their security box then they can not host any matches

st06nc2 05-01-2017 18:25

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1184494)
If t'adminstrators are in then we need to be having a peep to see who we can get on the cheap.

Not including their loan players they only have 16 first team players so they can't afford to Keep any but they also can't afford to lose any

Lemur 05-01-2017 19:10

Re: Morecambe
 
the administrator's are letting morecambe used the facilities, until a solution is found

monkey hanger 06-01-2017 08:19

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st06nc2 (Post 1184498)
Not including their loan players they only have 16 first team players so they can't afford to Keep any but they also can't afford to lose any

heard morecambe manager saying cole stockton going back to tranmere and was on about bringing new faces to the club so obviously there,s no transfer embargo but is he just saying what people want to hear.

st06nc2 06-01-2017 10:30

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1184527)
heard morecambe manager saying cole stockton going back to tranmere and was on about bringing new faces to the club so obviously there,s no transfer embargo but is he just saying what people want to hear.

They're allowed loan deals I think but only if they don't promote any youth players

Chrisr 06-01-2017 19:36

Re: Morecambe
 
This is where the FA should step in with the club and administrators. It would be an absolute tragedy if Morecambe go out of business. The FA have failed in their duty to the fans of the club by not being far more thorough on researching the new owners, This should be compulsory for all clubs owners or majority shareholders.

cashman 06-01-2017 21:33

Re: Morecambe
 
F.A. is simply what it stands for as far as i'm concerned.:(

st06nc2 06-01-2017 21:58

Re: Morecambe
 
2 Morecambe players out with hamstring injuries leaving them with 12 outfield players and 2 keepers

monkey hanger 07-01-2017 07:58

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisr (Post 1184601)
This is where the FA should step in with the club and administrators. It would be an absolute tragedy if Morecambe go out of business. The FA have failed in their duty to the fans of the club by not being far more thorough on researching the new owners, This should be compulsory for all clubs owners or majority shareholders.

fit and proper person etc. they,ve got in in place but seem only to use it against british people. a couple of years ago a guy who was the previous chairman at doncaster along with louis tomlinson out of some famous boy band wanted to take the club over as they were deemed not fit and proper people.

accybeme 07-01-2017 09:39

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1184621)
fit and proper person etc. they,ve got in in place but seem only to use it against british people. a couple of years ago a guy who was the previous chairman at doncaster along with louis tomlinson out of some famous boy band wanted to take the club over as they were deemed not fit and proper people.

I seem to remember it was more a case of being unable to raise the readies, I don't remember them being deemed unfit to buy

monkey hanger 07-01-2017 10:16

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accybeme (Post 1184628)
I seem to remember it was more a case of being unable to raise the readies, I don't remember them being deemed unfit to buy

sounds like were back to morecambe owners. do think you,re right however about the doncaster situation but it does seem funny to me that a lot of clubs owned by foreign investors just bring hassle to their fans and nothing more.

accybeme 07-01-2017 11:05

Re: Morecambe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monkey hanger (Post 1184632)
sounds like were back to morecambe owners. do think you,re right however about the doncaster situation but it does seem funny to me that a lot of clubs owned by foreign investors just bring hassle to their fans and nothing more.

We seem to be on the same plain, Lemos must have convinced the FA that funds were available for them to give the sale the go-a –head to buy the club but it now appears Lemos is only interested in the leisure & hotel facilities that was part of the sale


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