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The PFA have had to step in due to players and staff not been paid, new owners not looking so good now eh
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Nothing to gloat about, there but for fortune, Ilyas Khan, Peter Marsden, and Andy Holt are Stanley and many clubs.
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true, be careful what you wish for. heard there,s a sell out of buckets in morecambe today.
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Good luck to Morecambe and their fans. After all, I'd much rather be playing teams like them than some of the others we come up against.
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Feel sorry for the true fans as we've been there before!
I do still remember Morecambe fans gloating at the sound of buckets rattling in Accrington in '09 though! |
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Cheers for the good wishes.
Hopefully we will get some answers soon from the people in charge. |
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Hope it works out Morecambe Red
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bet sergie and tara are loving this on confguide
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Hope it's all sorted soon & it comes out that it's just been a misunderstanding - the friendly rivalry & banter between our clubs is one thing but wouldn't want any club to go through what we did
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They also needed a loan from the PFA in April which was secured against club land there's also a Barclays loan and a debenture outstanding
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Goes to show that clubs with gates that can't support the cost of wages need both a benefactor who is prepared to bankroll the club and a successful commercial department.
Our problems will be the forerunner of a growing number of FL clubs and will seriously put into question if the current structures of Leagues 1 and 2 will ultimately be changed to a North and South structure. |
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Don't worry half of your lads played for us they're used to not getting paid ontime
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This is just another reminder how we shouldn't rely on Andy Holts money and really need to build a stronger fan base to help become more self sufficient for the long term!
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Surely its just cashflow due to the change in ownership?
We'll see this every year from now on. Until a 'proper' club goes under clubs will carry on spending money to try to keep up. I've said many times that I'd be perfectly happy to drop a couple of leagues if it means living within our means. Clubs rely on an Andy Holt to come in and wave his chequebook, when its empty we look for the next one. It HAS to stop. Like Baldy says we simply must look to expansion of the fanbase before we chase League 1. Even if doubled our fanbase we'd still be almost bottom of the attendance tables - that is the scale of our task |
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Meanwhile the supporters could get involved where they can, keep enjoying the football and encourage others to do the same. |
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You sure you're not holding the issue you had about disabled ticketing change when talking about the current "off the field manager" ChrisR?
The club are setting up turnstiles that can use a "credit card" type season ticket that you can just scan, But due to the work on the Clayton End this summer it was impossible to get it up and running this season!...Andy Holt has said tickets will be eventually be able to be bought online but things tale time! I really think for the long term building of the fan base we need to offer cheaper tickets for u16, I'd rather 3 fans pay £5 each than 1 paying £15...let them get the "Stanley Bug" itll take a few years to see the benefits but building a fan base isn't going to happen over night anyway! Also ChrisR mentions "marketing" is that including the Clayton End and Maon Stand having a sponsor for the first time in a few years? A lot of bridges got burnt by previous chairmen by not treating sponsors properly so it's another long process of getting their trust back again! What I do know is Accrington Stanley is in the best position on and off the field that we've ever been! |
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On the subject of ticketing etc Chris ...
DB said (at the last supporters club meeting) that the ticketing process was ongoing and was almost 'right'. The goal is fully automated turnstiles and seadon ticket holders will use a credit card type thing. Some staff already have them for getting in and out of the ground. This is expected to be fully operational by next season. On the subject of mistakes ... he acknowledged that things werent perfect but when an error occurs it takes 2 weeks til the next home game until a new 'process' can be tried, which invariably throws up a newer problem. At the time of the meeting we had played 8 games at home so had had 8 goes at rectifying mistakes. It's coming together though. One problem is ticketing for guests of ST holders. If there are 2 of you normally sat together you wont know where you could sit additional guests so couldnt guarantee sitting together. The current process is probably to try sitting here, there or everywhere until you get moved. The new system will have live data showing which seats are currently unsold, find a block of seats adequate for your needs and book 'em. Your usual seats then become available for others. In the past we've made errors without necessity as little else has been going on, now though I find it forgiveable because such a lot is going on through all aspects of the club. We are on the cusp of exciting things happening at the club, its really not worth giving any extra thought to some of the more trivial things. I didnt like the idea of cashless turnstiles, it wasnt necessary. However, it is part of a streamlined wider picture so I can live with it. Staff can be put to better use elsewhere ... such as the food and drink outlets (staff last year = 1 ... staff this year 6+?). On the subject of the outlets ... DB said they were very happy with the upturn in income from these. They have been substantially improved from last year. This is income we've NEVER had as a professional club and will reap dividends when it is ground wide. Stick with guys, we're not too far away |
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Beat me to it Baldy!
Another point raised there is the sponsorship deals, 6 figures of income to the club as well as a couple of new business relationships. The Blackrock deal came about from a Canadian chap looking into academies where his son could learn for a short while whilst in the country for holidays (or something similar - dont hold me to the exact detail). He was so impressed by the youth set up, and the coaching they received, that he sponsored the kit. He was further impressed by the follow up service that he received, such as photos of the team wearing their new kit, that he rang and asked how he could further get involved. We're on it chaps. |
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Well presented opinions all round today on this.
I think the owner and MD have both done really well. As long as things improve month-on-month then why would we have real cause to complain. At some point everything will be sorted. |
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Dodgy Diego has been on Radio Lancs to say that it is just initial cashflow and everything will be sorted by next week.
Jobs a good 'un then, we can end the love in and resume hostilities :eek: do one Cockle Pickers! |
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david o'neill springs to mind he i think
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Was reading ShrimpsVoices and a few fans have been suspicious of their new chairman in some of his interviews he has given!
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His Co Chairman Abdul who is from Qatar seems as though he has some so hopefully the wages will be paid. It must be miserable when your wages don't go in. |
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Should only start worrying when you haven't been paid for three months !!!
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What will be will be. I wouldn't be that surprised going off there recent form, they were sold a million promises...again only to be let down. The whole system of ownership under FA rules is corrupt
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I fully welcome the return discussions. To answer Sherry yes I do know what it takes and cost's to set up an automated ticketing system. But we have to ask how long can we do without it. You are absolutely right Andy will be the one with the ultimate say and so it should be. To answer Baldy, I am not holding onto the disabled concession removal of last season as that ship has sailed. I still believe it was not the best move the club has ever made but it is done. I have choked a little on your wild statement that the turnstiles will be automated to accept season tickets?? was this not said last season when cashless turnstiles were introduced for safety measures? Then the MD was sat in a tent taking cash and issuing tickets. we have received emails recently saying we had to bring the whole book instead of just the ticket so they could be scanned?? it has not happened at the main stand entrance. You quoted that DB acknowledged that the ticketing system was experiencing problems. Ticketing systems used by many other sports venues are in place very quickly and very little in the way of problems, why not us? I accept that there is a lot going on at the club and for the betterment, I am delighted that the income from sponsors is increasing and the food outlets. I think you will find the food outlet suggestions were put forward by the fans and were acted on with a successful conclusion. I think the points I have mentioned are well made in that the supporters are a great source of information. Now as some will always see any criticism of the club's off field management is sacrilege. Then somehow convert that to some kind of attack on Andy Holt really need to take a step back and look at the cold hard reality and act before the problems do get out of hand, How many fans brought a friend to the last few games. The fan base needs to be at the very least 2500+ to maintain the club. Andy Holt can only do so much and we all as fans should do what bit we can to help. If that means offering constructive criticism then so be it. I also offer praise where improvements have been made. The criticisms I have mentioned are really basic stuff. we need to discuss the problems as why people are not coming to the club. If we have to listen to criticism then so be it but it is the way react that counts. It is good that the forum is actually realising there is a problem in attendances and administration even if they are considered temporary. I know we are in the best place we have been since Adam was a lad, Now is the time to push forward, with our brand people should be clamouring for our stuff and football. This is not happening and we need to understand why.
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Not sure where which turnstiles you use ChrisR, assuming you haven't seen the Clayton End turnstiles with the barcode scanners?...From what I believe from next season, season tickets will be like the loyalty cards are now and you can just scan your card for each match...!
You say ticketing systems are in place quickly at other sports venues why not us? I think because we didn't have time to give the scanners a trial run before the season due to the tight deadline of the Clayton End being finishes the club was left with no option to issue the books like we had last season instead of just winging it and hoping the new scanners would work without any issues...could have been a nightmare if we had gone down that route! Dave Burgess 9 times out of 10 is around on match days near the bottom of The Corwn steps before the game if you ever have a problem I'm sure he'd be willing to reassure you! |
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Anybody heard if Morecambe players have been paid yet?
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they won,t be the only club i,m sure that can,t pay players wages this season in the lower leagues. bucket rattling at our level v new ferrari purchases in the premier league. for me it stinks.
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Brings back memories!!!
Must admit when I sat in the main stand ,the "Khan" above the goals always reminded me of Ilyas and the SOS people and how indebted the club was to them. There's a little bit of sadness it's now been replaced with corporate advertising,but I hope it's never forgotten. |
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We were rumoured to have sold Tom Barkhuizen to PNE for cash now , play for them in January but its not been confirmed. |
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I saw Michael Rose' tweet this morning "It's an absolute f*cking shambles, and I'm not even talking about Trump!"
To be fair though F19, if someone is willing to pay good money to advertise, We arnt in a position to turn it down! |
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Hope Morecambe come through this bad time.
As others have said, would FAR rather play them twice a season than the majority of other League 2 clubs. |
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Baldy,Revived is spot on,exciting times ahead,but I just hope people remember the past and people who saved Acci.
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Sorry mate, i didn't read it properly!
I'm sure the loyal fans will always remember who have helped us in the past! |
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In answer to Baldy, I use the turnstiles next to the club shop. I do come down the metal steps from the crown. and go back that way. As for talking to DB I think not.
As for the scanners and website, Firstly the scanners can be set up to run quite quickly, As for going live on the website I know this may seem a daunting task but in the simple terms it is an easy site to set up, run . and manage. have a look at some other venues not just football. you have to put the basic seating plan in with the seat numbers and use a colour system for season ticket holders and if a s/t holder decides to bring a friend he/she can book the required seats and by entering the S?T seat no the computer system will allocate the seats and show a released S/T seat for sale for some one else. This saves a loss off possible seat sales. that is just one small example of a live web site benefitting the club. There are other benefits but I won't go into that here. The club needs to promote itself to the world never mind Accrington. We could also stream live matches to the continental fans as well as British Fans for a fee. This could be a club led offer as a package deal perhaps. Fans involvement via the supporters club may help, we all need to help. I am aware that things are not going to well on the pitch at the moment but off the pitch we can do our bit. if you have an idea put it on here and have it scrutinised by the forum. |
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Morecambe Football Club statement regarding Tom Barkhuizen
Very strange! Gone from "selling a player" to releasing him mid season! |
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I think we got either £175,000 or £200,000 from PNE for him. |
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Sam Allardyce got sacked for that!
Out with Diego! |
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Can we have our players back?
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Just heard their vice chairman has just left, I know a director has and sponsors are not renewing deals, is this the beginning of the end?
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They're certainly in deep doo-doo, apparently the bloke who was supposed to have taken over - Diego somebody? has, according to a statement issued by the board today failed to deliver the investment which he promised.
Really feel for the players & their fans - there but for the grace & all that, hope it gets sorted but it's not looking too good |
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Whatever happened to be FA fit and proper test for new owners
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It does make you wonder . . . . .
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Promised and didn't deliver?? Sounds like Bob Lord again?
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Taken from their website...
Following today’s Board meeting the Directors of Morecambe Football Club present would like to make the following statement: Late yesterday, Wednesday 21st December, we as a Board became aware, Ali Abdulrahman Al Hashemi had tendered his resignation as Co Chairman and Director, effective as of Friday 25th November 2016. Those present today would like to go on record to thank Mr Al Hashemi for his regrettably short tenure and wish him every success in the future. The Board remains extremely concerned at the current state of affairs, as the current majority shareholder, Mr Diego Lemos, has failed to deliver on promised investment. Communication with Mr Lemos continues to be difficult and he has now been out of the country since Thursday 17th November. As a Board we understand the criticism levelled at us for the lack of communication and rumours that naturally follow. There are legal issues that need to be resolved before the complete story can be told but once these issues are resolved the Board would wish to provide further clarification. The Board members who met today are united in their resolve to find solutions to the many problems facing Morecambe Football Club as a direct result of Mr Lemos’ continuing absence and his failure to deliver promised funding. We are extremely conscious of our responsibilities to our loyal and valued staff, players and fans and we look forward to working with all stakeholders in order to achieve a positive resolution in the New Year. We would finally ask all ‘shrimps’ fans and indeed the football fans of the town and wider community to please come and support Jim Bentley, the players and staff on Monday 2nd January v Crewe, 3pm kick off. Board Members present today: David Brockbank Mark Dixon Michael Hinchcliffe Graham Howse Peter McGuigan Rod Taylor Gary Taylor was not in attendance but seen and approved this statement. There will be no further comment from the Club today but we will be speaking to all press outlets with a view to arranging interviews with available Board members between Xmas and the New Year. Read more at Morecambe Football Club Statement 22nd December 2016 |
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Nobody really wants to see other clubs facing the firing squad but they're up against it at the moment through no real fault of their own.
Nobody, from directors to fans, really seems to have a clue what is going on. They are supposedly releasing another statement on the 28th - which is the day that monthly wages are due. This has led fans to surmise that administration is on the cards. A club in disarray and no money is bad enough, couple that with 500k annual losses and nobody actually running the club or footing the bills and you can see the problem. Relegation could be the least of their problems if a long and protracted legal battle for ownership ensues. Putting friendly rivalry aside I wish them all the best and will stand shoulder to shoulder with them when we play them next month. If any protests or demonstrations are afoot then I hope that we can get a few bodies over to help out. Many clubs were represented when we needed it, it's time to repay that camaraderie |
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It seems al Hashemi was diegos money man, can't see them lasting if he stays much longer
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Considering the "wealthy" new owners used some small unknown asset finance broker from the North East as their "advisors", it does look as if their idea was always to borrow money on the ground, the stadium, the plant/equipment, etc via mortgages/re-leasing, rather than put money in themselves. I was surprised at the time, any genuinely wealthy buyers would be using the large respectable solicitors/accountants as their advisors, not what appears to be some small-time brokers. I hope that they havn't actually done any loans/lease back deals and just pocketed the money leaving the club worse off than before
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Nothing recent there though so nothing sinister in light of recent events. Most recent is PFA from April
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hartlepools could be next. getting loans, unpaid income tax, unhappy fans that can,t seem to get to the bottom of whats going on. worrying times for my townsfolk.
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Hope not small clubs are really struggling more than ever it seems these days.:eek:
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According to Radio Lancs Morecambe are now under a transfer embargo, presumably because of their financial problems - worrying times for the Shrimps
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Unfortunately, this status quo is unlikely to change very little if at all whilst those who control our game also reap personal and corporate fortunes from their involvement in this fiscal merry-go-round. The love of money, whilst being evil, as a reliable source would decree, is as prevalent in our game as in every other profit making organisation, and the inherent weakness of man in respect to feathering his own nest at the expense of his poorer neighbour will always direct his behaviour. Now there's a philosophical thought to end my year on !... |
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Just ignoring his apparent dislike of standing water on the playing area, if you were buying some January dead-legs or maybe a wide-eyed and fresh-faced ex-academy babe, would you not think "Hey !...Kevin Ellison just might be the one ! ". Trusting you are well . |
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I'm well thank you - currently in transit on way to the great metropolis otherwise known as Crewe, letting the train take the strain:) |
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On twitter just now !.
Club Statement regarding PMG Leisure Ltd The Morecambe Football Club Board of Directors wish it to be noted that PMG Leisure Ltd is owned by Diego Lemos and entered administration under his ownership and not, as reported in certain sectors of the press, by Peter McGuigan. Despite numerous assurances from the businesses owner, Diego Lemos, that funds were available to pay its creditors. Once again such funds did not materialise. We are told that the businesses main creditor tried to contact Diego Lemos on numerous occasions without success. The first we knew of the problem was when the administrators were appointed and arrived on site the next day. Discussions with the administrators have been very positive with the Community Staff and Development Centre able to continue to operate without any break in services or delivery. The pitches are available for the Clubs scholars to use and the control room is available for Matchday. We would like to thank all of those fans who have called the Club today expressing their concern at this turn of events. The Club will be working with the PMG Leisure Staff and the administrators to manage the transition but the message is that it is definitely BUSINESS AS USUAL and we look forward to welcoming both the Development Centre players on Friday and all ‘shrimps’ fans to the Club this coming Saturday as we entertain Notts County in yet another huge game for Morecambe Football Club. All other areas of the Morecambe Football Club Ltd business remains unaffected. The Players, Staff & Board would also like to thank the fans who have taken the time to write to the Club directly since the news of the troubles broke just before Xmas. It has been very positive to read all of the good wishes. Watch this space?. |
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So if the administrators have turned up does this mean they're going into administration
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no, it is the building with the scoreboard on it, and the plastic pitches to the side of the ground that's in admin
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That's right Lemur, as far as I can gather but the main worry now according to someone on their forum is that Morecambe Fc have a loan from Barclays which is secured against PMG Leisure - whatever's going on it's an absolute mess & will take some sorting out, best of luck to them
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Yeah the 3G pitches and also the security control room they use on matchdays that is owned by PMG Leisure...Which I believe is Peter McGuigans company, He's Morecambes ex chairman who sold his Morecambe FC shares to Lemos!
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If t'adminstrators are in then we need to be having a peep to see who we can get on the cheap.
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If they lose their security box then they can not host any matches
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This is where the FA should step in with the club and administrators. It would be an absolute tragedy if Morecambe go out of business. The FA have failed in their duty to the fans of the club by not being far more thorough on researching the new owners, This should be compulsory for all clubs owners or majority shareholders.
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F.A. is simply what it stands for as far as i'm concerned.:(
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2 Morecambe players out with hamstring injuries leaving them with 12 outfield players and 2 keepers
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