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So, 12th September - at the moment - sees the start of Stanley's 15th season in the Football League :)

As with every season, players go and players come.

These are the men charged with keeping us on the edge of our seats and in League 1 :)

Toby Savin.

Mark Hughes, Joe Maguire, Harvey Rodgers, Ross Sykes, Callum Johnson, Reagan Ogle, Cameron Burgess.

Zehn Mohammed, Lamine Sherif, Joe Pritchard, Sam Finley, Seamus Conneely, Sean McConville, Ben Barclay, Harry Perritt.

Colby Bishop, Dion Charles. Niall Watson????
Please tell me if I have missed anybody :)

17 - possibly 18 - players on the books at the moment and whilst we have a team - nothing against young Savin - we need a keeper minimum.

So, what do we need??
Who plays?
Coley has stated "The Reds had the biggest squad they have ever had last season and Coleman says next season will be different.

“We will be working with a much smaller squad,” said the Stanley boss." Does anybody think so??
Coley has also stated he is looking at 2, or 3 more signings (GK/CM/CF) ???

Let the discussions begin :)

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Well the budget has been reduced apparently but last season it was paid out among 38 players I believe, cut this down to 22ish and you can pay more as I don't think Burgess will be on peanuts could attract better more experienced personal because we are on average a youngish squad, plus if we are maybe going to be using the sports hub as training on a regular basis hopefully on grass this to helps to attract players.

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as long as the season starts that will do for me at this juncture.

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Well, I go for:-

New Keeper.
Callum, Ross/Cameron/Yozzer, Maguire.
Pritchard, Seamus, Ben, Macca.
Colby, Dion.

Sam is out for an amount of games and to be honest, I like BB :)

Cameron to cover/push the CB's.

Even if Watson has signed, we will need somebody up front.

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Cant see the salary structure being broken. Bringing players in on more than the existing squad will cause unrest.

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that must cause unrest at most pro clubs in the country then. a striker with a good pedigree will cost in wages far more than a full back would with similar experiance. think players realize and expect this to happen.

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There has always been some on more money than others Billy Kee was one of the top earners I believe at the start of any season I should imagine when the budget is set they will work out the numbers less squad to me means more money per player that then signs, could upset some who have already signed but that's football at any level down to good management to keep players happy, agents might do a bit of stirring saying you can get more etc:-etc.

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Keeper, winger, creative midfielder, striker x2

Barclay and LKS both defensive midfielders.
As is Conneely.
Need someone who can run box to box.

Permanent keeper to challenge Savin and give us option to develop and sell for ££

Reckon we would struggle with 3 strikers like last season.Surprised Andy Scott left, thought he was under contract until 2021 and he could have been the 4th option.

wouldn’t be surprised if Coley had in mind to push Harry Perritt further forward, played as a wing back a lot in U18’s/23’s in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 formation.
similarly to Regan Ogle and have them as 4th winger option if and when required.

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i think Coley is alluding to that with a 3-5-2 formation

Ogle or Maguire, Perritt or Johnson galloping away down t'wings

Conneely and Barclay or The Sherriff holding

McConville or Pritchard or Sam pulling the strings

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Just a point about strikers Josh if we sign anyone as I hope we do barring injuries they need to be good enough to be pushing Charles and Bishop or even being first choice, last season if you're counting youngsters such as Scott including 2 out on loan we had 9 strikers in the squad and often struggling to name one on the bench that shouldn't be happening.

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The differential at the top end at Accy I would imagine is minuscule.
The ethos of the Manager I just cannot see allowing a player to come in (with no guarantee it will work out) and earn significantly more than the hardcore nucleus of players won't happen.
Agents do not need to do any stirring.
It's a fact that our salaries are one of if not the lowest.
Beating the salary if someone wants one of ours is the easy bit.
Fantastic that we can now play hard ball and say "if you want him that's the fee".

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I don't know what wages Burgess has been offered but if Stanley have managed to sign a player on a 3 year deal on a comparable wage to the rest of the top end earners then well done because the lad will have taken a significant drop in income.

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in the present climate it could be the 3 year deal that swung it in his signing. gives him a bit of stability unlike a one year only deal with more money.

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Well time will tell when we are able to access what he is on if he has dropped salary by what we could be thinking good on the lad but personally think Stanley have raised the bar on this one could well be proven wrong time will tell.

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size of the squad cut so more money can go on the players signed or that are left. at least stanley have gone from the one year contracts they always seemed to offer, if good or bad you knew there was a big chance of only seeing em for that season.

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Striker in on loan 19 year old Ryan Cassidy from Watford Under 19 Irish honours highly rated welcome young man.

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thats good to hear.:)

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Twitter going mildly nuts with Watford fans saying weve gorra good'un

Cassidy will not get many games.....
 

Ryan Cassidy 18 - 19...........

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Hope that’s goals per season? :)

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hope he,s butch.

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AccyMad - MH has a question for you :D

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Haven't a clue what you mean D3N?? Thought he was on about the film involving the Sundance Kid:)

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New rules under salary cap states maximum squad of 22 aged up to 21 reduced to 20 from next season, so 4 players under 21 in ours are Savin, Mohammed, Perritt and Watson so that makes current numbers 16 not sure about loan players as Cassidy is only 19 but still room for 6 players over 21.

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with all these rules and regs coming in, the league will be picking the side next.

Another handful of games.....
 

Tom Allan 19 - 20 :)

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Rumour mill is that Preston could be on the verge of a bid for Callum Johnson tried before but weren't anywhere near in their bid coming back with a bigger closer to value bid if true is it time to cash in when money is tight?

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ignore rumour mill i do, if it happens it happens.

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If it is true do we want another Clarke scenario where they leave without making some money, right back is one of the few areas we have options, don't forget no Finley for quarter of season McConville not ready yet in a small squad.

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Yes, but we will pay him more money and extend his contract ;)

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Dream on mate.
Callum will not extend his contract.
If the money is good then we should take it or risk losing him under freedom of contract.
Harsh realities of the football world.

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It's a rumour as they all are but it's being discussed on their fans forum as far as saying a further bid as been placed but I,m with you on this one if of course he wanted to go we would be better getting a fee areas of the squad need new faces, right back we have some choices.

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It's a rumour that has persisted for nearly 12 months now !
They also expressed interest in Clark but nothing came to fruition.

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Its a win win for Coley and Jimmy either way. Players need to move on to progress both on and off the field........ fee now or play to contract end......suits Stanley both ways.....we can't compete on wages...only training, playing and opportunity to progress....its always been that way for us....

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lots of fans at all clubs just cannot seem to get their heads round this. a player arrives at their club. all fans should hope for is that they play well and give a 100 per cent in the period they are with them before they move on. its a players job and they are not lifelong fans of the club.

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And let's get real apart from Callum maybe young Sykes who else will anyone from a higher league be courting.

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Andy. John and Jimmy have a deserved reputation for improving young players. If we get some good results and our new and newish youngsters start scoring goals then they will get noticed for sure. Colby Bishop, Dion Charles and Joe Pritchard clearly have the potential to develop into great players capable of playing at a higher level. The two new young lads signed recently, Ryan Cassidy and Tom Allan could well fit the mould too. The important thing is to keep them signed on longer contracts so that if any other club comes in with a bid then we would get compensation for them if they leave. I think that we managed to keep Jordan Clarke and Callum Johnson longer than we would have had they not been under longer contracts. So we have done well out of both of them even if Callum follows Jordan in leaving for nothing. We benefit either way by getting a fee if they are still under contract when they leave or they stay that bit longer and we benefit from having good players for longer! We don’t want to go back to players on just one year contracts and lose out like we did with Windass and Crooks! The club under the guidance of Andy Holt and with all the improvements made in infrastructure is in a much better position to get players to sign up for two or even three year contracts than just a few years ago.
ON STANLEY ON.:theband::mosher:

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Cassidy and Allen are loan players Coleman hopeful of adding a midfielder today and looking at bringing in a keeper and possibly 2 more defender's as listening to is interview that's an area in need of improvement, read into that what you will?

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Yes Andy, I overlooked about the two youngsters being on loan. I am sure though that the Stanley system of discovering and improving young players will continue and that Stanley will benefit by them performing well for us and possibly by bringing in transfer fees.:mosher:

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Id have took the 300k on offer (allegedly) last year for Callum. Take the money, build the new bar and get Perritt playing

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You'd be surprised. Not everything is out on the open.
I can think of a couple of players currently in the squad that have previously been on trial at higher league clubs.

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Wonder where Harvey Rodgers fits in this scenario.
I'm a big fan of Perritt and could see him playing further upfield, even as a right winger.

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In a squad of 21at present we have 11 players whom you could class as defender,s yet Coley wants 2 more that means to me and in some ways I agree he doesn't rate some of them so either way to keep squad low some could be on the way out.

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You cannot just erase players under contract mate.
Unless of course there is a suitor ....... but you have to ask you self if they're not considered good enough for us who's going to come in and pay a fee for them / take on a free even in the league below ?

The keeper situation is a worry for me ........ I think we need two (three in total).

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Your quite right but on the way out could mean loan, next season or to a lower league club but some of these lads have been around the squad for a bit and clearly don't get a look in so I think we could have surplus players in a small squad.

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Looking like "next week" for the midfielder then hit a delay I believe.

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Once we leave the EU with a few tweeks and liberal interpretation of UEFA/FIFA rules combined with the Covid effect on the market British clubs should be able to revert to an almost pre Bosman regime where you can offer a player a contract with a rolling option which means he always has a value to the club and cant simply walk away at the end of a contract.

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i wouldn.t panic just yet. can see a season long loanee one coming in from a championship or premier league club before the season starts. just hope its a season long and not one that finished in the new year where we have to start all over again. as a club we have done quite well in keeper development when they come here which is a help.

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Isn't the Bosman ruling now incorporated in UEFA rules and so would still apply?

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I believe when it happens this will be a permanent addition to the squad be an interesting one.

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Correct.
No change going forward Brexit or no Brexit.

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Ex Blackburn & Mansfield midfielder Willem Tomlinson on trial with us today as a mix of 1st Team and Youth lost 3-0 to Bolton.

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I,m away this weekend just seen this another 3 let in no wonder Coleman is looking at signing defender,s and don't say it's only a friendly.

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what changes would you make? if Callum stays then potentially a left back.

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Let's be honest we weren't that good at the back last year when Okupa was at left back the other 3 were 1st choice so you tell me Hughes one of my favourite,s but was caught for pace quite a lot, it's Coleman who wants replacement,s .

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Okupa ?

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Never heard of him ;)

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Strange one this Tomlinson has far as I,m aware was still under contract at Mansfield but had been suspended by Cougflan the manager for an icidennt regarding a fight outside a pub, maybe been told to keep fit or find a club or has been released without it being in the public domain but he hails from Burnley so could be any of those, was highly rated at Blackburn making a handful of first team appearances but could he carry a bit of baggage what some won't tolerate?

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Another one in, Matt Butcher, midfielder signed from Bournemouth on a 2 year deal - welcome aboard

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What position does he play?

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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:alright:

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I know what you mean Cashy. Midfield covers a lot of positions. Box to box I think. Down the middle pulling the strings.......picking a decent pass...😁

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Matt played against us at Yeovil in March 2017. It ended up 1-1 after Scott Brown was sent off in the 22nd minute.

And he's scored against Morecambe (Goal A at the start)!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94H3pk9GS90

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Frank's own words.........


Butcher said: “I am a central midfielder, I would describe myself as a box-to-box midfielder who likes to get about the pitch.

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Matt Butcher 21 - 22 players and still need a keeper I would think?? Was there talk of smaller squad/budget????

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You had my attention at 'He's scored against Morecambe' :D What a goal too!!

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6 ft 2 in tall could be a real presence in the middle of the park if he comes up to scratch welcome on board.

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cheers joe thats the type we need imho.

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Just hoping that he is the Matt Crooks type we have been missing for a while :)

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Keeper plus a couple more defender's would make 25 if nobody leaves wonder if we do they would all make the starting eleven ?

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My glasses might need upgraded but the picture of the keeper at Bolton looks very much like Jason Luietwieler.

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Well someone's got to replace Finlay McConville and Clark .................

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Plus keeper and another 3 to make way.

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just hope 2 are clark and mcconville replacements and the other to replace anyone who may leave.

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Yes youre right but some aspects of it [ work permits for example ] people think are part of Bosman but theyre actually not and are enforced by individual counties statute and EU legislation.

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Incorrect

Theres quite a lot that will be affected by us leaving the EU for example at the minute the terms on which we issue/refuse work permits is ultimately dictated by EU law once we leave we will be free to decide our own terms and decide who we give work permits to and could if we wanted we could revert to the old system and only issue to players with full international caps [ That would definitely screw Chelsea and Arsenal over ]

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Im not going to argue with you mate but you need to research this.
Start by looking at European countries not in the Community.
Governed by UEFA.
We could do our own thing and get expelled then we could just have our own little knock about and watch all the foreigners disappear.

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My glasses must be ok played the first 45 minutes in the friendly against Rovers at Brockhall and Wilhelm Tomlinson made another appearance.

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So lets get this straight you believe UEFA can dictate to the British Govenment their work permit policy once we leave the EU ?

The whole point of leaving the EU is that these foreigners can no longer dictate to us what we can and cant do I.m pretty sure there will be any number of Tory Brexit MP.s who will be more than happy to tell them where to go if they tried to.

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Regardless of our permit status etc where football is concerned we are governed by UEFA.
No problem in refusing to abide by their rules they will just expel us.
Is that what you want ?
Turning away from football if you seriously think we're not going to do a deal with our "European" friends on work permits etc ............. and employment law ...........get with the programme.

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Here is an extract from a Barrister we use a lot. Interesting slant on the number of players.

The Court also considered national and UEFA rules governing maximum numbers of foreign players allowed in teams – this is often disregarded when the Bosman ruling is discussed, but it was similarly important. Again, that such rules can pose a restriction is obvious; a club in France will be less likely to make a move for a Belgian player if they are only allowed to field two non-French players in any given line-up. UEFA tried to run a justification defence once more, arguing that for wholly sporting reasons the safeguarding of a national core to team squads was valid. Somewhat predictably, the Court rejected UEFA’s arguments again – clubs must be free to sign and field any number of players of any EU nationality.

This provides one of the most interesting areas for potential changes post-Brexit. UEFA is of course distinct from the EU, so the FA will retain membership after withdrawal from the Union – continued membership in a European body still subject to EU rules will inevitably limit the scope for change following withdrawal. In particular, the Bosman rule in respect of free transfers is likely to survive in the UK to the extent that clubs will still be unable to demand a transfer fee for a move that takes place following the expiry of a player’s contract.

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I agree with your sentiment, Northernsoul, but the EU and UEFA are two different organisations.
The latter is the Union of European Football Associations, and I believe our four nations’ FAs are fully paid-up and compliant members.
It would require something like the Premier League to completely break away from any such organisations and set up its own competitions as rivals to the European Championships and Europa (Consolation) Cup to ignore UEFA rules.
Paradoxically, the most likely way that might happen would be if a Euro (or even Global) Super League was formed for the big boys to play in (and never get relegated from!).

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doubt if many stanley fans will give a stuff if UEFA expel us.:D

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True mate.
About as much as Bosman will affect us.
However the issue was raised.

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Youre still missing the point

You seem to be trying to claim that UEFA can have say in the British Governments work permit legislation once we leave the EU which quite honestly is totally ridiculous or are you trying to say that some stupid UEFA regulation trumps a soverign nations statute and laws ?

There clearly has to be a way that EUFA deal with it because i.m pretty certain that in the vast number of cases its almost impossible to get a work permit in Switzerland whether you come from the EU or elsewhere and if i.m not mistaken the Swiss are members of UEFA in fact isnt that where they are based.

I.d be pretty sure that in law UEFA couldnt expel a European Non EU country on the basis that they dont like a law that countrys government enacted i would think everything would go along as it does now until it reaches the work permit stage where when the player concerned was refused one that would be the end of the matter.The clubs would have gone thru the UEFA rigmarole but theres then nothing UEFA can do if a governments immigration law then kicks in and puts a stop to it.

Its a bit like the Racism thing in Eastern Europe they can have as many regulations about it as they like but if that countrys laws dont outlaw it theres absolutely nothing they can do to enforce it other than keep issuing tiny little fines.

And do you really think they would expel the country who provides a good proportion of their income because if they did they will find themselves in the same position as the EU have scratching their heads and wondering how they are going to make up the missing cash.

For me anything thats stops the likes of Chelsea bringing over here literally hundreds of African kids and sticking them in their academies to the detriment of British kids is nothing but a good idea. The whole point of Brexit is that we stop pandering to foreigners and put British people first and that includes aspiring young British footballers.

Personally i wouldnt allow in any foreign player that doesnt have a minimum of 10 full caps.

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You need to update this Joe - new midfielder signed on season long loan from Newcastle :D

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Niall Watson been over at Southport last few games, scored a hat trick in their last preseason game.

Another signing, this time Mo Sangare from Newcastle United. Midfielder.

6 possible CM's now (Conneely, Finley, Barclay, Lamine Kaba-Sherif, Butcher, Sangare)

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Sangare and Barclay can also double up as defender,s.

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That's 25 in the squad now maybe Watson on his way out either permanently or loaned keeper and one more maybe to come.

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Like I say mate I'm not in it for an argument. You have an opinion so do I.
Let's leave it at that.

Will not get many minutes.......
 

So, another centre midfielder 22 - 23 now, but still need a keeper - I feel...

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never thought we,d agree on anything, but i am with you on this.

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Nathan Baxter Chelsea keeper latest name to be linked with a loan move to Stanley Coleman reputed to be an admirer, interesting at 21 with various loan moves has over 170 games under his belt highly rated at Chelsea.

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Squad numbers:
https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...squad-numbers/

Oops! Two 22s!

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Maybe they're sharing it - cutbacks & all that :)

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And no Mo Sangare.

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Not wanting to re start an argument mate but have you seen the info on the "Homegrown" rule thats coming in ?

Suposedly it starts at 8 this year and increases to 10 next season and 12 the year after to qualfy to be homegrown basically you have to be eligible to hold a British Passport or have lived in the United Kingdom for more than 3 years.

The PL arent to happy and are soliciting support from the FL by threatening the next tranche of assistance thats due to be announced imminently.

Cant see your mates at UEFA being too happy about it either.

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Par for the course
ego,s in the premiership won't want bruising.