Budget 2009

[Royboy39]

So it's ok for the opposition not to serve their purpose by offering no alternative, all the while slating the government for their decisions?
What a pathetic response.

I dont think I was soliciting for a lesson in politics.
I understand there is a similar situation in Hyndburn where Labour are in opposition and from what I gather PB takes no notice of them either?

 

[jaysay]

Don't be too sure Gayle. It's a long time until the next general election. It's also not what we are finding on the door steps.

Bernard you've been in politics long enough to know you can take with a pinch of salt what people say on the doorstep, the only vote your sure of are well known party supporters of long standing, I have no doubt that you treat elections exactly the same why as we do, you get your core vote out on the day, any other are a bonus. The fact is a great number of people have already made their mind up about the next election and it ain't looking good for your lot

 

[shakermaker]

I dont think I was soliciting for a lesson in politics.
I understand there is a similar situation in Hyndburn where Labour are in opposition and from what I gather PB takes no notice of them either?

All I want to know is what your beloved opposition would've done with Budget 2009 if they were in power... because slating decisions without giving an alternative is ultimately useless to everyone.

 

[Bernard Dawson]

It might inspire more people to believe them (any party here) if they stopped claiming such ludicrous amounts of money for second homes and such like when they don't need them. It is all good and well saying they aren't breaking any rules but they made the rules theirselves!!!!

I think you're right. Some of the second home allowances claimed are nothing short of obscene.

The Prime Minister has said that changes will be made. Not before time as well.

 

[BERNADETTE]

I think you're right. Some of the second home allowances claimed are nothing short of obscene.

The Prime Minister has said that changes will be made. Not before time as well.

If there are to be changes they can't come soon enough IMO, we have got pensioners who after working all there life can barely survive on the pittance that they get paid. Yet MP's are claiming money left, right and centre just because they can. A ridiculous state of affairs in anybodies book

 

[Royboy39]

All I want to know is what your beloved opposition would've done with Budget 2009 if they were in power... because slating decisions without giving an alternative is ultimately useless to everyone.

The figures are released to the leader of the opposition one hour prior to the Budget Statement..............I'll wager even he was gobsmacked like everyone else when the full facts were known.
If you expect off pat ansers to something that has been carefully thought out by robbers and spin doctors for months............I'm afraid that will not be forthcoming...........yet.

 

[Bernard Dawson]

Bernard you've been in politics long enough to know you can take with a pinch of salt what people say on the doorstep, the only vote your sure of are well known party supporters of long standing, I have no doubt that you treat elections exactly the same why as we do, you get your core vote out on the day, any other are a bonus. The fact is a great number of people have already made their mind up about the next election and it ain't looking good for your lot

A lot of political pundits have made up their mind about the outcome of the next election. The public haven't been asked yet.

Remember what Harold Wilson said A week's along time in politics.

 

[shakermaker]

The figures are released to the leader of the opposition one hour prior to the Budget Statement..............I'll wager even he was gobsmacked like everyone else when the full facts were known.
If you expect off pat ansers to something that has been carefully thought out by robbers and spin doctors for months............I'm afraid that will not be forthcoming...........yet.

Err... let me know when they come up with something then.

It just seems to me that there is very little point in the existence of the opposition parties these days, which is really sad. No real alternative is offered... just bickering in the media and even less impressive bickering in the commons.

 

[Bernard Dawson]

If there are to be changes they can't come soon enough IMO, we have got pensioners who after working all there life can barely survive on the pittance that they get paid. Yet MP's are claiming money left, right and centre just because they can. A ridiculous state of affairs in anybodies book

I couldn't agree more.

 

[cashman]

The figures are released to the leader of the opposition one hour prior to the Budget Statement..............I'll wager even he was gobsmacked like everyone else when the full facts were known.
If you expect off pat ansers to something that has been carefully thought out by robbers and spin doctors for months............I'm afraid that will not be forthcoming...........yet.

as its took months to carefully think out, summat we can both agree on, how come though ya aint got n answer yet, ya got an answer as to its success, this is what i call bullsh1t.

 

[jaysay]

The figures are released to the leader of the opposition one hour prior to the Budget Statement..............I'll wager even he was gobsmacked like everyone else when the full facts were known.
If you expect off pat answers to something that has been carefully thought out by robbers and spin doctors for months............I'm afraid that will not be forthcoming...........yet.

How do you start to mend an economy that as all the resemblances of Dresden in 1945, not matter how much notice your given Roy, they could have given a month notice and it wouldn't have made any difference

 

[jaysay]

A lot of political pundits have made up their mind about the outcome of the next election. The public haven't been asked yet.

Remember what Harold Wilson said A week's along time in politics.

Ya Bernard but even Wilson didn't make a dogs breakfast of the economy did he. I tend not to listen to politicians on any side these days, its the economists that tell it as it is without spin one way or the there, and they are all saying that Darlings figures don't even begin to add up, in fact things are going to get a lot worse before they get better

 

[Royboy39]

as its took months to carefully think out, summat we can both agree on, how come though ya aint got n answer yet, ya got an answer as to its success, this is what i call bullsh1t.

I have watched Brown give pathectic reasons why they have plunged the country into massive debts...................Thats Bullsh1t!

 

[jaysay]

I have watched Brown give pathectic reasons why they have plunged the country into massive debts...................Thats Bullsh1t!

As usual Roy its everybody else's fault and not his, maybe a place on GMTV would be better as Gordon the Gopher

 

[cashman]

I have watched Brown give pathectic reasons why they have plunged the country into massive debts...................Thats Bullsh1t!

all the civilized world are in debt, suppose thats browns fault as well. all in debt fer the reason, typical tory rubbish, brown/ cameron, none of em will get us out of the crap,without co-operation of other nations, thats plain to see.............unless yer a tory.

 

[Eric]

Go shoot your Rare Bits.

I keep my rare bits well covered and protected .... and also my wallet ... esp. when there are tories around .... at least when Labour picks at your wallet, the money goes to help the country. With the tories, it often ends up in their pockets, or their already well-heeled friends and backers.

 

[Taggy]

On the subject of 2nd home allowances why on earth should there be a need for this at all, surely either Hotel/Apartment Accomodation could be used at greatly reduced costs, or even better still an accomodation block purposely built to provide each MP with a basic bedroom and office room if needed, would cost an awfull lot less in the long run, and the property itself would also be an asset!

Also George Osbourne mentioned yesterday and today that as a result of the budget everyone earning over £20,000 pa would be paying more tax! How has he quantified this? Am i missing something, because other than last years almighty cockup with the 10p tax situation, i had'nt noticed any detrimental tax policy for the relatively low paid?

Best Regards - Taggy

 

[jaysay]

all the civilized world are in debt, suppose that's browns fault as well. all in debt fer the reason, typical tory rubbish, brown/ cameron, none of em will get us out of the crap,without co-operation of other nations, that's plain to see.............unless yer a tory.

None of them will get us out of the crap unless we put forward a decent escape plan cashy, the thing is that Darling said yesterday that we need to borrow £175 billion this year alone, but that's where the problem lies, where does this money come from? It comes from the money men (or Toffs as Mancie calls them) these money men ask the advice of the city economists, or number crunchers, these people have already said that the Governments figures don't add up, "We have a problem Huston". If these number crunchers turn round and say, which they are likely to do, that Great Britain PLC is a dodgy investment proposition, then good old Gordon and Alistair are up the Swan without a paddle, big time

 

[jaysay]

On the subject of 2nd home allowances why on earth should there be a need for this at all, surely either Hotel/Apartment Accommodation could be used at greatly reduced costs, or even better still an accommodation block purposely built to provide each MP with a basic bedroom and office room if needed, would cost an awful lot less in the long run, and the property itself would also be an asset!

Also George Osbourne mentioned yesterday and today that as a result of the budget everyone earning over £20,000 pa would be paying more tax! How has he quantified this? Am i missing something, because other than last years almighty cockup with the 10p tax situation, i hadn't noticed any detrimental tax policy for the relatively low paid?

Best Regards - Taggy

National insurance contributions Taggy is one main reason, not a tax as such but a stealth tax

 

[Royboy39]

I keep my rare bits well covered and protected .... and also my wallet ... esp. when there are tories around .... at least when Labour picks at your wallet, the money goes to help the country.

It goes to do what?

I think politics on your side of the pond may differ somewhat.?