Surely, we have no alternative but to replace the stand, as we don't have the required number of seats in the ground to meet Football League requirements, since the Clayton End seats were removed?
Clayton End development?
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'Surely, we have no alternative but to replace the stand, as we don't have the required number of seats in the ground to meet Football League requirements, since the Clayton End seats were removed?'
They were removed because we had plans to build a stand.
If its the plan as first mooted I still don't get who the hecks going to sit in it apart from a few guys who don't like to stand or can't stand.
It might look good but if its sparsely populated it'll likely end up not being used to save money, sucking atmosphere from the ground.
I find it hard to believe it'll have a material impact on away fans at our level. They don't tend to be fickle types.
They were removed because we had plans to build a stand.
If its the plan as first mooted I still don't get who the hecks going to sit in it apart from a few guys who don't like to stand or can't stand.
It might look good but if its sparsely populated it'll likely end up not being used to save money, sucking atmosphere from the ground.
I find it hard to believe it'll have a material impact on away fans at our level. They don't tend to be fickle types.
obviously yeh dont converse with that many? our facilities for away fans are pretty disgraceful.
'obviously yeh dont converse with that many? our facilities for away fans are pretty disgraceful'.
I'm not arguing that point: I agree with you, but would they not be better catered for by improving the Coppice end rather than building a new stand?
My question is, would the additional away fans that would come as a result of improving the facilities be enough to fill a new stand on a reasonably regular basis?
If the answer is no, then we have a nice shiny, empty, atmosphere-depleting stand.
Out of interest is Morecombe's away gate regularly higher than ours for comparable fixtures? This would give a good indication of the likely impact of a decent ground on away support.
I'm not arguing that point: I agree with you, but would they not be better catered for by improving the Coppice end rather than building a new stand?
My question is, would the additional away fans that would come as a result of improving the facilities be enough to fill a new stand on a reasonably regular basis?
If the answer is no, then we have a nice shiny, empty, atmosphere-depleting stand.
Out of interest is Morecombe's away gate regularly higher than ours for comparable fixtures? This would give a good indication of the likely impact of a decent ground on away support.
Theres many things to consider imho. our own fans for one, some of them say they dont get a good view if they are moved from their seats for cup games, so its possible that could be the home fans stand?
not convinced they would like that though.
plus as wyn has said, we aint got enough seats to satisfy the ******* that make the rules since removing clayton ends seats.
not convinced they would like that though. plus as wyn has said, we aint got enough seats to satisfy the ******* that make the rules since removing clayton ends seats.
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The ground for all its faults is a homely little atmospheric place. I hope the developments don't inadvertantly destroy this.
I've been through this once before and would hate to see it happen at Stanley.
I've been through this once before and would hate to see it happen at Stanley.
...which is exactly what we are doing. Are you suggesting that we don't build a stand and get expelled from the league for flouting ground regulations?
I can't recall from the original planning application, but surely the new stand as proposed was intended to provide more than just seats?
What about the long overdue changing room facilities - the current one's are infamously inadequate.
Perhaps new offices, toilets, club bar etc. All of these could be incorporated beneath a new stand.
If Andy Holt is prepared to invest in such a project, why moan about it?
Much as I enjoy the Clayton End, my standing days won't last forever.
What about the long overdue changing room facilities - the current one's are infamously inadequate.
Perhaps new offices, toilets, club bar etc. All of these could be incorporated beneath a new stand.
If Andy Holt is prepared to invest in such a project, why moan about it?
Much as I enjoy the Clayton End, my standing days won't last forever.
Good sense in that, my standing days wont last forever neither.cannot understand people moaning about an obvious improvement.
Those are all good things Lord Stiffie but I can't get away from the fact a large empty stand contributes to a poor matchday atmosphere.
'Good sense in that, my standing days wont last forever neither.cannot understand people moaning about an obvious improvement.'
An improved infrastructure at the cost of matchday atmosphere.
BTW You guys do know there are seats in the mainstand?
An improved infrastructure at the cost of matchday atmosphere.
BTW You guys do know there are seats in the mainstand?
So come on then whats this atmosphere that comes from the cowshed?? We stand Clayton End near the cowshed end and we have never witnessed it.
on that basis how can it be any worse on that side?Fear not Inspector!
We'll be playing int' Championship by then!
Can't sit in the main stand - I've been banned by AccyMad!
'So come on then whats this atmosphere that comes from the cowshed?? We stand Clayton End near the cowshed end and we have never witnessed it. on that basis how can it be any worse on that side?'
Its not the atmosphere from the Cowshed.
The new stand is likely to dwarf the rest of the ground according to initial plans. If it ends up largely empty it will give a vacous feel like being in an Ikea warehouse. What noise is created will end up sounding tinny. A small crowd in a small space just gives more atmosphere than a small crowd in a big space.
So if we can fill it no probs.
That being said I do love the Cowshed.
Its not the atmosphere from the Cowshed.
The new stand is likely to dwarf the rest of the ground according to initial plans. If it ends up largely empty it will give a vacous feel like being in an Ikea warehouse. What noise is created will end up sounding tinny. A small crowd in a small space just gives more atmosphere than a small crowd in a big space.
So if we can fill it no probs.
That being said I do love the Cowshed.
I get the idea that a new stand would create a worse atmosphere - some would vacate the Clayton End, some would vacate the main stand, so those areas would suffer and we could end up with 3 quiet stands.
However, 3 points come to mind.
1) the new stand would allow for development of the away end by giving us somewhere to put them.
2) I'd like to see the new stand be designated as a family stand. We would put concerted efforts into increasing that particular area. I would leave the Clayton End if we had a specific area to go to, as it stands my 9 year old stands on his own because he cant see - and I dont like that
3) we've had numerous moans on here recently (and rightly so) because of having to give seats up for non-STH games. Fact is we dont have enough seats to give some to away fans, some to media/hospitality/scouts/players etc AND then have enough left over for STH to sit where they went AND then leave enough seats together for groups
We dont know Andy's Grand Plan, and I'm not convinced that Andy does. Thus far he has done diddly squat with regards to getting the kids in. I know for a fact he would like to, and I know for a fact that he speaks often about legacy, and community. It's his momey that he's spending and his money that he's losing by not having hoardes of kids through the gate. I'm fairly sure that he wants both points to end sooner rather than later
However, 3 points come to mind.
1) the new stand would allow for development of the away end by giving us somewhere to put them.
2) I'd like to see the new stand be designated as a family stand. We would put concerted efforts into increasing that particular area. I would leave the Clayton End if we had a specific area to go to, as it stands my 9 year old stands on his own because he cant see - and I dont like that
3) we've had numerous moans on here recently (and rightly so) because of having to give seats up for non-STH games. Fact is we dont have enough seats to give some to away fans, some to media/hospitality/scouts/players etc AND then have enough left over for STH to sit where they went AND then leave enough seats together for groups
We dont know Andy's Grand Plan, and I'm not convinced that Andy does. Thus far he has done diddly squat with regards to getting the kids in. I know for a fact he would like to, and I know for a fact that he speaks often about legacy, and community. It's his momey that he's spending and his money that he's losing by not having hoardes of kids through the gate. I'm fairly sure that he wants both points to end sooner rather than later
If it's not increasing capacity like some people say it's hardly going to be a 10,000 seater stand is it?
If you was an away fan and you'd seen it was expecting showers you'd think twice about coming!
Like people have said, The Cow Shed is out dated now if the money is there, then why not? Andy has said he will never risk anything so he must be pretty happy with the financial side of the new stand?
Maybe it will have offices in the new stand that we can rent out all year round or hospitality?
Also, who's to say the commercial team dont have or won't have a sponsor lined up to sponsor the new stand?...Hard to convince someone to put thousands of pounds in to sponsor the Cow Shed as it is now...
If you was an away fan and you'd seen it was expecting showers you'd think twice about coming!
Like people have said, The Cow Shed is out dated now if the money is there, then why not? Andy has said he will never risk anything so he must be pretty happy with the financial side of the new stand?
Maybe it will have offices in the new stand that we can rent out all year round or hospitality?
Also, who's to say the commercial team dont have or won't have a sponsor lined up to sponsor the new stand?...Hard to convince someone to put thousands of pounds in to sponsor the Cow Shed as it is now...
In answer to His Lordship, yes, but there are only much needed toilets, several kiosks, store and plant rooms on the ground floor beneath the seating. No changing rooms or offices.
The reason, Inspector Morse, is because it is not a "large" stand that has been approved. Just a modest improvement that would, I suggest, give a much better view of the game, and facilities, than the existing 'stands'.
If you want to check yourself, search for Application No. 11/16/0132 on Hyndburn's planning web page.