Clueless substitution?

[yonmon]

Your spot on Redraine.Don't think he was injured we were coasting it and i think coley must have thought game won brining Procy on.Don't think any of us even Coley exspected what happened next,great game though

In an attempt to disrupt the Anti-Coleman Faction if nowt else Mab, did you honestly think from your perch by the Dug-out that the Jimmy Ryan substitution was really one of a tactical nature ?.
And would you agree that his apparent fatigue and perhaps pain from the many 'tasty' tackles which came his way during the game, could be clearly seen on his face for some minutes before the change was made ! .
I cannot see why even our much-maligned Manager would be so misguided as to bring the one who was without a doubt the Driver in the mid-field Engine Room off without good reason!...Hopefully the truth will out !

'ON STANLEY...... ON !....

 

[neilhaj]

In an attempt to disrupt the Anti-Coleman Faction if nowt else Mab, did you honestly think from your perch by the Dug-out that the Jimmy Ryan substitution was really one of a tactical nature ?.
And would you agree that his apparent fatigue and perhaps pain from the many 'tasty' tackles which came his way during the game, could be clearly seen on his face for some minutes before the change was made ! .
I cannot see why even our much-maligned Manager would be so misguided as to bring the one who was without a doubt the Driver in the mid-field Engine Room off without good reason!...Hopefully the truth will out !

'ON STANLEY...... ON !....

i think nothing was wrong with Jimmy, i think John was just trying to give Andy a run out but you can't afford to carry players against good teams and we got slapped for it, again another punishment for playing "the favourites"

 

[Willie Miller]

sorry can't be arsed, think what ya want

 

[Oldgobbin]

Yes Willie, but how many times have we conceded goals from Cav giving away free kicks in dangerous areas. I've supported Coley through thick and thin, but after today's match, and the inexplicable substitution,two words keep going through my head "Brian" and "Little"

 

[maccawozzagod]

is that the same Brian and Little who managed to get big budget Wrexham relegated only 7 years after being touted as the next England manager?

 

[Oldgobbin]

They were virtually down when he went there Macca. I reckon he's still a damned good manager - ask the Darlington fans!

 

[Bagpuss]

sorry can't be arsed, think what ya want

I know how you feel, I didn't go home from todays game thinking it was Colemans fault or Proctors fault, still gutted so I won't make any stupid comments.
Well done Ultras after the flat day v Rochdale you where back on form for 80 mins at least.

 

[Oldgobbin]

You're probably right, Baggie. I just feel so gutted, especially after a totally miserable drive home across the Pennines, but I suppose, come tomorrow, I'll be 100% behind Coley and Jimmy again.

 

[neilhaj]

sorry can't be arsed, think what ya want

Well tell us what you think??? the truth hurts???? we have players who aren't good enough simple as. it's no good playing the same guys who took us from unibond, if they were any good they would have been snapped up back then.

Don't get me wrong we played very good today against a good team but to lose after being 2 nil up just shows our team isn't good enough end of.

 

[Tin Monkey]

Don't get me wrong we played very good today against a good team but to lose after being 2 nil up just shows our team isn't good enough end of.

Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that.

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

 

[BTLawson]

I know how you feel, I didn't go home from todays game thinking it was Colemans fault or Proctors fault, still gutted so I won't make any stupid comments.
Well done Ultras after the flat day v Rochdale you where back on form for 80 mins at least.

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit
Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up. Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

 

[yonmon]

Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that.

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

Right on the button T-M.....and we'll have to grin and bear it, even if it hurts a little....as it did today !.
and as it's going to do on lots of occasions over the season !..

It's called The Status Quo !!.

 

[neilhaj]

Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that.

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

I'm not saying i know or have the answers, all i'm doing is saying where the possible problems are, if i had the answers i'd be chairman

 

[neilhaj]

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit
Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up. Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

Good post and i agree but really 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose the game at home! surely someone has to take the blame?

 

[BTLawson]

Good post and i agree but really 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose the game at home! surely someone has to take the blame?

With Bradford 2-0 down and 10 minutes to play, they had to go for it. They had nothing to lose. I think even the league's best defences would have had many problems contending with Thorne (the league's top goalscorer) Boulding and Conlon. And let's face it, we can't afford to have the best defenders in the league. If you want someone to blame, blame Stuart McCall for throwing everything at us in those last 10 minutes.

 

[MCR ADIM]

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit
Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up. Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

spot on, i think ryan will turn out to big one of the best players this season! he put in a great effort today, and also getting on the score sheet, great goal. he did take some bashing with tackles but he never stopped working always going back and putting tackles in, the whloe squad played well today. cant imagine how the squad feel, specially kenny he was hardly tested all game. griffiths had a great game today, if he was ever made available i would like him to sign. i thought he was going to take griffiths off becuase it looked like he had an injury as he were streching his leg in last 10mins! i think its wrong to blame the players/management! massive improvement from rochdale. alot of positives can be taken from this game! keep the faith

 

[Reamer]

When Conlon came on we were 2-0 up. The threat was three attackers against two defenders i.e Murdoch & Edwards who had both had a good game. We had the capability to hold and play the ball on the floor (J Mullin & Miles had shown during the game that they can play on the deck). Paul Mullin should have been sent to mark Conlon in defence (remember we're 2-0 up, we don't need to score again we just need to stop them scoring and there's only 10 mins to go) When we win the ball instead of lumping it forward we just need to give it to the ball players and encourage them to keep it as long as they can , wind the clock down , frustrate 'em. Good in retrospect, eh? It's nothing to do with Proctor. We left ourselves open. As someone has said they threw everything at us and we didn't have an answer.

 

[SamF]

Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub.

You asked someone to explain so I will.


Firstly, you asked why everyone is blaming Proccy for the loss - the simple fact is that we are not, it was Coleman who chose to put him there and in place of Ryan. Proccy can do a job for stanley and that is to play in a defensive midfield role and work bloody hard from the start to the end of a game. He is not an impact player who will make a positive difference as a sub nor a calm head to help slow down the pace of a panicked team.

Secondly there is the old saying don't fix what ain't broke - we were playing well, there was no reason to change, so why change ?

Thirdly, you yourself pointed out Proccy is a more defensive player - are the problems with putting a defensive midfielder on the right wing not obvious?

Finally and I believe most importantly, Ryan wasn't showing any signs of slowing down and when you are up 2-0 against a promotion contender with 10 minutes to go what you need to do is get your wingers down at their corner flags and keeping hold of the ball for as long as possible. Jimmy Ryan could and would have done that, he has the skill on the ball required to do so.

 

[MCR ADIM]

Thirdly, you yourself pointed out Proccy is a more defensive player - are the problems with putting a defensive midfielder on the right wing not obvious?

But he was not playing long enough for that to make an inpact, if he was playing from the start on the wing than yeh it would be a problem, but 10mins come on, should of just got the ball and run with it or just passed it to anyone in red, easy to do for 10mins aint it. am not blameing proccy as i agree he should of not come on, but if you dont make mistakes how do you learn?

 

[DAV007]

PS John Miles......well done lad, you're like a new signing, another mistake john made getting rid of you last season????

This just proves that 90% of the comments on this thread are total rubbish based on emotions not fact.

regarding john miles, he is a player who needs motivation - if you speak to any macclesfield fan, you will find he only started trying when his contract was coming to an end.
Stanley is his last chance as nobody else wants him - I would say that is a good reason why we are seeing him show his true ability through more dedicated application.

I cant be bothered responding to anyone else. I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.