Council again..

I don't think you're being very fair Garinda. Your posts read with quite a condescending manner. You know very well that even people with far more experience than yourself argue for and against the minimum wage. I do not agree with Nickleson on the minimum wage itself, but I do understand exactly what he means by price floor, despite having never done an economics GCSE/A-level. It appears pretty logical to me.

Nickleson you mentioned tax credits, which is an important point for low paid workers. What I'd like to see is low paid workers completely lifted out of the taxation system. We recently saw income tax of everybody on the minimum wage double from 10% to 20% which just seems quite ridiculous to me as it hurts the lowest paid in society the most.
 
andrewb said:
I don't think you're being very fair Garinda. Your posts read with quite a condescending manner. You know very well that even people with far more experience than yourself argue for and against the minimum wage. I do not agree with Nickleson on the minimum wage itself, but I do understand exactly what he means by price floor, despite having never done an economics GCSE/A-level. It appears pretty logical to me.

Nickleson you mentioned tax credits, which is an important point for low paid workers. What I'd like to see is low paid workers completely lifted out of the taxation system. We recently saw income tax of everybody on the minimum wage double from 10% to 20% which just seems quite ridiculous to me as it hurts the lowest paid in society the most.
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Well if you can understand the poorly punctuated, rambling gobbledigook, perhaps it's just me, so I apologise.

Perhaps you've just got use to making sense of such unfathomable nonsense.;)
 
Nickelson said:
A minimum wage is a floor for the employers in which they can pay there employees. In large buisnesses this tends not be a problem, however the smaller buisnesses might stuggle. The minimum wage increases the amount of money within the government coffers. So the money is often placed within welfare benefits. Yes there are Hundreds of thousands whom Working Tax Credits need not apply to. However to those that are applicable then the fact that there hours are made up means they need not work the 30 hours and can work 20 where they will get the rest made up. This creates not incentive for the worker to drag themselfs out thus creating a trap.

Prehaps i do need revision, however i didnt study this subject 13 months ago.
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No, in the light of day, this still makes very little sense.
 
andrewb said:
I don't think you're being very fair Garinda.
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When you too enter the real world, outside the confines of academic Hull, you may also realise that life sometimes isn't 'fair'.

I think it's perfectly fair to challenge unsubstantiated, glib comments, and ask for evidence.

Hopefully evidence that might be clear, and understandable to all.
 
I'm not saying at all that "if they can do it, so can we". We didn't do it at all. I worked with officers for months on this proposal, it was fully costed, itemised and a report produced but it was an AMMENDMENT not a motion. People put ammendments to proposals at full council all the time and I don't object to that but to come with a proposal 5 minutes before is verging on deceitful. I know that a presentation was scheduled to come to full council regarding the Civic Theatre weeks in advance but still the report still only came at the last minute. Its not financially responsible to be expected to vote on spending 400k in 10 minutes with no firm indication where the money is coming from, in fact its financially reckless and I'm not prepared to act fast and loose with Hyndburn tax payers money just so Peter can gets his kicks from seeing his face in the paper.
 
garinda said:
When you too enter the real world, outside the confines of academic Hull, you may also realise that life sometimes isn't 'fair'.

I think it's perfectly fair to challenge unsubstantiated, glib comments, and ask for evidence.

Hopefully evidence that might be clear, and understandable to all.
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No life isn't fair, I'm aware of that without patronisation thank-you. I just happen to think that in a community you could criticise somebody without needing to condescend them. Especially when you're using lack of experience, when much more experienced men than yourself think the minimum wage is bad - are you suggesting that they're correct? No of course not, it would not be a convincing argument to suggest somebody is correct solely on the basis of their current educational status or how long they've been in the 'real world'. It's about the argument put forward.
 
What is this living in the real world that keeps cropping up in relation to students, interesting, thought i might ask due to coming across the term several times.
 
andrewb said:
No life isn't fair, I'm aware of that without patronisation thank-you. I just happen to think that in a community you could criticise somebody without needing to condescend them. Especially when you're using lack of experience, when much more experienced men than yourself think the minimum wage is bad - are you suggesting that they're correct? No of course not, it would not be a convincing argument to suggest somebody is correct solely on the basis of their current educational status or how long they've been in the 'real world'. It's about the argument put forward.
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It could be seen as condescension on your part, when you refer to my 'experience', when in reality you haven't a clue as to what that might be.;)

Good luck with doorstepping.

I'm sure people will be thrilled with the charmless presumptions you seem to make.

;)
 
turkishdelight said:
What is this living in the real world that keeps cropping up in relation to students, interesting, thought i might ask due to coming across the term several times.
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Earning enough money to provide for yourself and those close to you, and all that that entails, such as paying the various associated taxes, at a wild guess.
 
garinda said:
It could be seen as condescension on your part, when you refer to my 'experience', when in reality you haven't a clue as to what that might be.;)
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I don't need to know what experience you have or haven't got, because I'm not attacking you for it. If you are the most experienced man on the planet, then I take my hat off, my statement must be incorrect. :)
 
garinda said:
Then why refer to it, since you don't have any knowledge of it?

Very sloppy.
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Not at all, given the context. I know you have great experience in rarely dealing with context and actually commenting on the general argument - favouring changing topic when you're caught out. ;) Keep digging!
 
turkishdelight said:
What is this living in the real world that keeps cropping up in relation to students, interesting, thought i might ask due to coming across the term several times.
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It isn't just confined to those in further education.

I was informed that you excitedly tried to recruit someone I know in a 'get rich quick' pyramid scheme, claiming all involved would be rich beyond their wildest dreams in a few short months.

Sadly the person I know didn't participate.

How did it go?
 
andrewb said:
I know you have great experience in rarely dealing with context and actually commenting on the general argument
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The truth is you have no idea as to what experience I may, or may not have, and by referring to it weakened your already weak argument.
 
So weak that you still cannot bring yourself to debate the crux of the argument, instead favouring a pedantic sideroad. Nevermind ;)
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andrewb said:
So weak that you still cannot bring yourself to debate the crux of the argument, instead favouring a pedantic sideroad. Nevermind ;)
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Perhaps more people here would've been more able to understand your gripe, if you'd posted the correct time of the meeting.

Sloppy once again.
 
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