Council again..

entwisi said:
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There is also the argument that by setting a minimum wage yoyu give a target for employers to price down to. To quote G Jones its a race to the bottom.

Without a min wage some people would probably be better paid. As it is the companys are effectively mandated that its ok to pay so little.
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Couldn't agree more. Wages are a function of the free market, not government mandates. No matter where I worked, I made a point of making myself invaluable to my employer and was always rewarded for my efforts. Government mandates most often result in layoffs.
 
bullseyebarb said:
Couldn't agree more. Wages are a function of the free market, not government mandates. No matter where I worked, I made a point of making myself invaluable to my employer and was always rewarded for my efforts. Government mandates most often result in layoffs.
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You are in the fortunate position of probably being sought by many villages.

Not everyone, particularly in a free market economy, is so lucky.

That's why trade unions were founded, and latterly employment laws introduced, to protect those who otherwise could be easily replaced by unscupolous employers, if they didn't agree to work for a pittance.
 
garinda said:
You are in the fortunate position of probably being sought by many villages.

Not everyone, particularly in a free market economy, is so lucky.

That's why trade unions were founded, and latterly employment laws introduced, to protect those who otherwise could be easily replaced by unscupolous employers, if they didn't agree to work for a pittance.
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Oh, Puleeze!!! Luck has nothing to do with it. One should always prepare for the current economy. If you cannot hack it, don't be surprised when someone else beats you to the punch.
 
bullseyebarb said:
Oh, Puleeze!!! Luck has nothing to do with it. One should always prepare for the current economy. If you cannot hack it, don't be surprised when someone else beats you to the punch.
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I guess these 700 people, and the people about to be made redundant at B.A., 40,600 of which are being offered unpaid leave, as well as the countless other people who are worried about their job security, just weren't lucky, or weren't invaluable enough.

700 IT staff to be made redundant at RBS - 22 May 2009 - Computing

Luckily there are always villages looking for an idiot, with the appropriate skills needed.

So some will always be in demand.
 
garinda said:
It isn't just confined to those in further education.

I was informed that you excitedly tried to recruit someone I know in a 'get rich quick' pyramid scheme, claiming all involved would be rich beyond their wildest dreams in a few short months.

Sadly the person I know didn't participate.

How did it go?
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I really perplexed here to the relevance of what your trying to imply or state.
 
bullseyebarb said:
Oh, Puleeze!!! Luck has nothing to do with it. One should always prepare for the current economy. If you cannot hack it, don't be surprised when someone else beats you to the punch.
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You'd better just keep your gun trained out of the peephole in your bunker, and keep an eye out for those damned red Ruskies.;)

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garinda said:
I guess these 700 people, and the people about to be made redundant at B.A., 40,600 of which are being offered unpaid leave, as well as the countless other people who are worried about their job security, just weren't lucky, or weren't invaluable enough.

700 IT staff to be made redundant at RBS - 22 May 2009 - Computing

Luckily there are always villages looking for an idiot, with the appropriate skills needed.

So some will always be in demand.
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Try not to be so pathetic. Some companies are not run well. So what? There is always a market for good employees. Even in a bad economy. Do things always go well? No. But government interference does not help the situation. The free market is by definition creative destruction. You may not like it.....but it does work - and has brought great prosperity and upward mobility to more people than any other system.
 
bullseyebarb said:
There is always a market for good employees.
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I suppose the millions of Britons who were out of work in the last Great Depression of the 1920/30's, like the millions in a similar position today, just weren't 'good' enough to be employed.

What's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land like at the moment?
 
garinda said:
I suppose the millions of Britons who were out of work in the last Great Depression of the 1920/30's, like the millions in a similar position today, just weren't 'good' enough to be employed.

What's the weather like in Cloud Cuckoo Land like at the moment?
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Perhaps you prefer what Benito Mussolini called Corporatism. I call it economic fascism. If you think the government has the solution to the problems we face today, you are the one living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. If taxes and regulations were reasonable and limited, you would see far healthier companies. The worth of employees has little to do with the current situation.
 
Why do you consider or put so much emphasis on people not living in the real world and i quote cloud cuckoo, it also appears your always having a go at individuals in one form or another in terms of intelligence and quoting all your qualifications etc. I feel people whom attack in this way appear to me full of self importance. Not impressive at all.
 
garinda said:
Frankly I haven't the slightest desire to impress you, or anyone else on here.

If per chance I did inadvertently impress you, I'd consider it time to throw in the towel.
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Don't get me wrong though, your input on here causes much hilarity to many people.:)
 
garinda said:
How would you define 'reasonable', if you were being more specific?
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For example - the U.S. has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.3%. An abomination any way you look at it. As you surely know, only individuals pay taxes - hence, corporations merely collect same from either their shareholders, employees or customers. The shareholder will receive lower dividends on his investment, customers will pay higher prices and employees will see fewer raises and jobs. Likewise, onerous regulations cost businesses dearly.

 
bullseyebarb said:
For example - the U.S. has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world at 39.3%. An abomination any way you look at it. As you surely know, only individuals pay taxes - hence, corporations merely collect same from either their shareholders, employees or customers. The shareholder will receive lower dividends on his investment, customers will pay higher prices and employees will see fewer raises and jobs. Likewise, onerous regulations cost businesses dearly.

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In the UK companies also pay tax-it is called corporation tax.
 
turkishdelight said:
What is this living in the real world that keeps cropping up in relation to students, interesting, thought i might ask due to coming across the term several times.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the "real world"; it doesn't exist. It's a meaningless term, often tossed in to an argument in order to undercut, or ridicule, someone else's argument.
 
Eric said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the "real world"; it doesn't exist. It's a meaningless term, often tossed in to an argument in order to undercut, or ridicule, someone else's argument.
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Oh, get real.

:D
 
Eric said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the "real world"; it doesn't exist. It's a meaningless term, often tossed in to an argument in order to undercut, or ridicule, someone else's argument.
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It does anger me when this is thrown out at students Eric, and is simply not true from my experience. Most students do take out a job whilst studying. Can only go by my own son's record on this .... and try telling me it is not the real world. Sorry to bore you, but:

2 Years at McDonalds whilst doing A-levels. (health and safety certificate gained)
During the break before Uni ... very short period feeding the ovens at Hollands Pies, then working for a Newspaper Distributor.
Stock taking at the textile company I worked for and checking all dyed stock under a light meter for colour matches (boring)
1st year at Uni: Working in the student's bar and dealing with bouncers, rowdiness, etc. Also organising sports and social events for the students.
2nd/3rd year: Working at Blockbusters where they made him Manager for a year whilst he was searching for a job post-graduate before going back for his Masters in Planning.
Worked three days per week for a Planning Consultants whilst taking his Masters before they offered him an appointment on gaining this .. he is still there.. he is now 26, and all these jobs have taught him quite a bit of how to deal with people and varying situations !

Ok .. you don't have to read all this ... but 90% of his friends have this sort of history whilst studying.

My granddaughter worked in Ainsleys (bit like Greggs) from 16, now doing night shift at Sainsburys whilst stacking shelves and doing A-Levels.

Please do not tell me that students do not get experience in the 'real world' just gets up my nose.

Sorry. :p:mad:
 
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