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Well, I know exactly what I would do to rehabilitate him.

He would rise every morning at 6am. Breakfast would be porage and toast.
He would be made to do some heavy manual work until 12 midday when he would get a lunch of soup and a sandwich with a cup of tea....or water if he preferred.
He would go back to work at 12.45 doing whatever he had spent the morning doing.....but it would be hard physical graft of some description......even if it meant just shifting rocks from one side of a quadrangle to the other.
Evening meal would be at 6pm.Some kind of meat and three veg.
6pm until 8pm would be compulsory education...literacy, numeracy etc.
8pm until 9pm shower, evening drink, tea/cocoa.
Lights out at 9pm......there would be no TV, no videos or video games.
Every day would be the same except for 90 minutes on a Saturday when he would be able to play some organised sport.

Alternatively he could opt for a different kind of rehabilitation.......a prison island.
He w ould be landed ashore on one of the many islands that are dotted around the coast.
He would be given a minimum of supplies......he would have to build his own shelter and forage for his own food.

It would be interesting to see if he would be such a hard man then.
 
All of what you say makes perfect sense, Margaret. And every item on your agenda could be challenged by Lawyers using Human Rights legislation, sucessfully I might add, and all at additional cost to the taxpayer in court time(not cheap), legal fees (definately not cheap), and probably compensation too (least cheap of the three).
 
I find it deeply worrying that, as things stand, anyone convicted of the crime of murder becomes de facto a drain on the states resources for the rest of their lives. Liam Ryan, when he is eventually released, will stand no chance of ever finding gainful employment on his own and will be 'signing on' once a fortnight until he reaches pension age. Having been convicted of Murder I cannot think of any employer in their right mind who would touch him with a bargepole. And if there were to come along an employer with a sense of mission to assist the ex offender, how long do you think Liam would be likely to hold a job for? A day? A week, perhaps?

The sad truth is, his, is now an utterly useless life. His life behind bars will teach him nothing. It will certainly not reform him. He will be every bit as much the mindless thug on the day he comes out of prison as he was on the day he went into prison.
 
Oh, Damn A-B.....I didn't know I was going to be constrained by the ECHR regulations.....I thought I was living in a perfect world.
My feeling on the EHR legislation is that if you murder someone and take away their human right to have a life, then you should forfeit all human rights because you have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that you are not human.

In fact for all offences other that traffic offences, I would remove human rights from prisoners.....why should they have better treatment than they meted out to their victims?
 
Can I vote for you to be El Presidente' Marg?
Unfortunately even if common sense was availble at Westminster, the bleeding hearts would not let it happen.
Shame really. I do like the island idea, a sort of modern day Devils Island, bit like 'escape from New York'
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
He would be given a minimum of supplies......he would have to build his own shelter and forage for his own food.
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Just like to add, along with the rest of the no-marks, they must then labour & farm the land, to create their own food supplies & any surplus could be used to feed elderly & less fortunate on the mainland. It's been done in the past ..... Botany bay, Australia & they've not done to shoddily out of it.
 
I have a better idea. Put them all in the army. Keep them away from guns and knives and such until they can be trusted. but every day they would be made to work and work bloody hard. and that way at least the country could see some return on its investment and there might be a chance for them to make something of their lives.

Failing that, well, might as well hang em!
 
Boeing Guy said:
Can I vote for you to be El Presidente' Marg?
Unfortunately even if common sense was availble at Westminster, the bleeding hearts would not let it happen.
Shame really. I do like the island idea, a sort of modern day Devils Island, bit like 'escape from New York'
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Goodness, if I were El Presidente, there would have to be some changes made.

It is the 'bleeding hearts' who have wrecked this country....with their liberal ideas......soft treatment of prisoners. I am surprised we are still allowed to call them criminals......I thought they would have been given another less stigmatising name.
For too long the criminals rights have been considered above those of the victims. How can this be right?
 
Acrylic-bob said:
I have a better idea. Put them all in the army. Keep them away from guns and knives and such until they can be trusted. but every day they would be made to work and work bloody hard. and that way at least the country could see some return on its investment and there might be a chance for them to make something of their lives.

Failing that, well, might as well hang em!
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I don't think the army is the right place for them. why should the lads who are fighting to defend this country be saddled with the no-counts that fill our jails....many of them do not belong here anyway.

And rather than hanging, why can't we just humanely euthanise them and use their organs for transplant purposes....then at least their lives would not have been totally in vain, and it could be seen as having paid back their debt to society.
 
But that is just it, Margaret. The lads and lasses in the forces are fighting to defend our country, from forces without and also within.

I know that Acrylic-senior, who was a Sgt of Artillery, would have relished the opportunity to get someone like Liam on his parade ground. He would have made him suffer in so many ways, all with the best possible intentions. At the end, Liam would have become a credit not only to his regiment and country but to himself. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

And the best bit is...no ECHR involvement would be necessary and those scheduled for deportation at the end of their sentence would be delivered smartly and efficiently to the airport in plenty of time to catch their flight, with every 'i' dotted and 't' crossed without a lawyer in sight.
 
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Needless to say, of course, that 'Lifers', in time of conflict, would be most definately in the front line.
 
Acrylic-bob said:
All of what you say makes perfect sense, Margaret. And every item on your agenda could be challenged by Lawyers using Human Rights legislation, sucessfully I might add, and all at additional cost to the taxpayer in court time(not cheap), legal fees (definately not cheap), and probably compensation too (least cheap of the three).
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Wasn't it Tony Blair who said that signing the European Human Rights Act was the finest thing he had ever done in politics, well it sure as hell made sure his wife could keep dipping her bread in the gravy for many years to come and you never know, when Tons nice little earners run out he can always drag the silks out of the cupboard and join his wife:(
 
Acrylic-bob said:
Needless to say, of course, that 'Lifers', in time of conflict, would be most definately in the front line.
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Are you saying that they would have been frontliners by choice? For one they would probably be the biggest cowards! Also that the Kray Twins were deserters from the Army and the Eastend gangster culture was born out of deserters in the 2nd World War who took advantage of the fact most able bodied men were fighting to rob and break into jewellry shops etc as there were very few coppers to protect them.
 
kestrelx said:
Are you saying that they would have been frontliners by choice?
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Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.
 
DaveinGermany said:
Don't be daft, they'd have been part of a punishment battalion sent to the front to be annihilated by the incoming fire & tripping mines, then the proper Infantry & Armour could come through.
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Maybee in the 1st World War but latter on warfare was a bit more sophisticated and criminals would be a hinderance! :hidewall:

Bit like the Accrington Pals! :confused::eek:
 
Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun.

But how would the older 'lifers' purge their sin? Or indeed the ones that are so plainly crackers, Ian Bradey et al?
 
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