Identity Cards
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Think it is a good idea, this idea has been bandied about for some time now. The powers that be in this country would probably make a mess of it, with excessive red tape and paperwork. I believe they have an ID card system in the States, but don't really know how it works. When I was in Sardinia, a couple of years ago, the local police used to stop people at random and ask to see their drivers licenses or passports. Luckily I was staying with a mate and she warned me, but I had to have my passport with me all the time.
In theory, an ID card could cut down on fraudulent crime, but ID's are easily faked and criminals always find a way. I think it would be good for reducing the sale of alcohol / fireworks etc to the underaged, if they had to produce a photo ID.
In theory, an ID card could cut down on fraudulent crime, but ID's are easily faked and criminals always find a way. I think it would be good for reducing the sale of alcohol / fireworks etc to the underaged, if they had to produce a photo ID.
In these days of computer chips etc, why have something as outmoded and clumsy as an ID card?
What we should do is have every child 'chipped' at birth.
The chip would carry details of its birth, injections, sickness, parents, home address, etc. Then as it grows older the details of its schools could be entered into the chip, the courses exams it took, and then its bank account, the jobs it had had and so on.
Can you imagine it, a parent going into Tescos and finding that she had not enough money on her credit card but knowing that her child had some in its account, would pick up the kid and swipe it through the bar code reader to pay for the groceries.
What a great idea! Not only would we know where the little darlings were 24/7 but the Police could have a tracker system based on GPS built into it - sort of built in baby sitter. Oh the mind boggles!!
What we should do is have every child 'chipped' at birth.
The chip would carry details of its birth, injections, sickness, parents, home address, etc. Then as it grows older the details of its schools could be entered into the chip, the courses exams it took, and then its bank account, the jobs it had had and so on.
Can you imagine it, a parent going into Tescos and finding that she had not enough money on her credit card but knowing that her child had some in its account, would pick up the kid and swipe it through the bar code reader to pay for the groceries.
What a great idea! Not only would we know where the little darlings were 24/7 but the Police could have a tracker system based on GPS built into it - sort of built in baby sitter. Oh the mind boggles!!
Every European county has an ID card system except GB. the [email protected] cannot understand how the hell we fight crime without them. I never thought about it before I came here, but now I'm here I also really wonder why Britain doesn't have one.
On one hand I like the idea that you're freer in Britain, you don'tn have to have a fixed residence or an ID card, so you feel less controlled by the authorities, but that's all well and good for us law-abiding citizens, but not so for criminals and frauds.
In Europe you have to have your driving licence and ID on you AT ALL TIMES, but this is necessary as insurance covers the car for any driver, so they can't just jot down the registration and know who was driving the car.
In general I'm FOR ID cards, but on the other hand we have onme of the best polcing systems in the world and if it's worked so far without, why bother introducing them?
On one hand I like the idea that you're freer in Britain, you don'tn have to have a fixed residence or an ID card, so you feel less controlled by the authorities, but that's all well and good for us law-abiding citizens, but not so for criminals and frauds.
In Europe you have to have your driving licence and ID on you AT ALL TIMES, but this is necessary as insurance covers the car for any driver, so they can't just jot down the registration and know who was driving the car.
In general I'm FOR ID cards, but on the other hand we have onme of the best polcing systems in the world and if it's worked so far without, why bother introducing them?
When i was at High School (5 years ago) they said they where going to bring out the ID cards, but still they haven't. I agree with the idea as it would stop young people drinking [smiley=alc.gif] which i see a lot, on the streets they are there with the cans of Kestrel, who then shout obseen things at me as i walk past [smiley=eek.gif] . Also the majority of fights that happen in Accy at the taix rank on a Fri/Sat night are young boys thinking they are hard cos they have had too much to drink. So i hope they do do it to stop that if nothing else. :-/
Every European county has an ID card system except GB. the Europeans cannot understand how the hell we fight crime without them. I never thought about it before I came here, but now I'm here I also really wonder why Britain doesn't have one.
On one hand I like the idea that you're freer in Britain, you don't have to have a fixed residence or an ID card, so you feel less controlled by the authorities, but that's all well and good for us law-abiding citizens, but not so for criminals and frauds.
In Europe you have to have your driving licence and ID on you AT ALL TIMES, but this is necessary as insurance covers the car for any driver, so they can't just jot down the registration and know who was driving the car.
In general I'm FOR ID cards, but on the other hand we have one of the best policing systems in the world and if it's worked so far without, why bother introducing them?
On one hand I like the idea that you're freer in Britain, you don't have to have a fixed residence or an ID card, so you feel less controlled by the authorities, but that's all well and good for us law-abiding citizens, but not so for criminals and frauds.
In Europe you have to have your driving licence and ID on you AT ALL TIMES, but this is necessary as insurance covers the car for any driver, so they can't just jot down the registration and know who was driving the car.
In general I'm FOR ID cards, but on the other hand we have one of the best policing systems in the world and if it's worked so far without, why bother introducing them?
In this day and age with the technology available it would be easy enough to make a good enough fake ID card to fool the club doorman or the local shop owner in a busy off licence for example.. Maybe not good enough to fool the police but certainly good enough to fool people who dont mind being fooled into taking your money
It wouldnt take a gang of master criminals either.. any teenager worth his salt could knock them out to all and sundry for a couple of quid each and make the whole system a farce.. a system that will cost millions to impliment and by the time its ready technology will be more advanced..
EXAMPLE.. If i made a fake gas board ID card or even a fake police ID and presented it to you at your front door... how would you know if it was fake ? My pic. fake numbers blah blah.. how many times have you phoned up the head office when someone has shown you an ID to check its real?
All in all an ID card system already in place in other cuntries might work.. but to introduce one now here would be a waste of money.. I think they know that.
I wouldn't be apposed to having one... in some respects my driving licence is one as it has my pic
It wouldnt take a gang of master criminals either.. any teenager worth his salt could knock them out to all and sundry for a couple of quid each and make the whole system a farce.. a system that will cost millions to impliment and by the time its ready technology will be more advanced..
EXAMPLE.. If i made a fake gas board ID card or even a fake police ID and presented it to you at your front door... how would you know if it was fake ? My pic. fake numbers blah blah.. how many times have you phoned up the head office when someone has shown you an ID to check its real?
All in all an ID card system already in place in other cuntries might work.. but to introduce one now here would be a waste of money.. I think they know that.
I wouldn't be apposed to having one... in some respects my driving licence is one as it has my pic
I can see the arguement for the cards on both sides.
Personally though, I wouldn't want the system to introduced. It's all too much like big brother for me.
Ive nothing to hide but wouldn't it be annoying if you had to produce your card everytime you wanted to do something or purchase something? And as for having to carry it on you at all times, give me a break. How many times have you been in a rush and forgotten your wallet/purse or mobile phone?
Have to agree with HarryX - too much money to impliment. I also believe that the majority of people would vote against it anyway.
The system we have works - it's just that there aren't enough Police men and women out there - THAT's the problem.
Personally though, I wouldn't want the system to introduced. It's all too much like big brother for me.
Ive nothing to hide but wouldn't it be annoying if you had to produce your card everytime you wanted to do something or purchase something? And as for having to carry it on you at all times, give me a break. How many times have you been in a rush and forgotten your wallet/purse or mobile phone?
Have to agree with HarryX - too much money to impliment. I also believe that the majority of people would vote against it anyway.
The system we have works - it's just that there aren't enough Police men and women out there - THAT's the problem.
been living in Germany as you all know for 21 years.The have an ID system over here but as i am non German i have not got one.I am supposed to carry my passport around with me all the time.In 21 years and 3 months i have only been stopped by the police twice.My drivers licence has my pic on it and i have never had to produce any other form of identification.I D cards seem to be a waste of time for me.As you say when people knock on your doór how often do you check up at head office to see if people are who they are?
For all you advocates of introducing an ID card system I suggest you check out
http://www.charter88.org.uk/id_cards/index.html
Concise arguments why ID cards wouldn't work in this country. Also to you people who argue that ID cards help solve crime, again I repeat my previous question.
What problems would an ID card solve ???
http://www.charter88.org.uk/id_cards/index.html
Concise arguments why ID cards wouldn't work in this country. Also to you people who argue that ID cards help solve crime, again I repeat my previous question.
What problems would an ID card solve ???
About the only thing it would achieve is to provide more civil servant/ quango jobs - which would probably be as fouled up as the PSA, the Passport Office etc etc.
So why not go for it? After all, those little cushy number jobs are hard to come by. Yeas, lets have ID cards and create some more havoc in the country.
So why not go for it? After all, those little cushy number jobs are hard to come by. Yeas, lets have ID cards and create some more havoc in the country.
No go for it i would love to see how this is gonna solve crime.Up to now i do not believe a burglar or mugger has left his calling card first
I believe our mighty leader (sarc) is returning from his trip in SA to vote - he must be expecting this stage of the bill to be a close run thing 
Just my ten penneths worth: I'm quite prepared to have an ID card but they can take a walk if they think I'm forking out hard earned money for the privilege.
Just my ten penneths worth: I'm quite prepared to have an ID card but they can take a walk if they think I'm forking out hard earned money for the privilege.