Identity Cards
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I do not trust this governments ability to provide the technical computer equipment to read these cards accurately. Suppose you went out of the country on one of these cards and then were not recognised when you wanted to return......would you be left to wander the globe looking for a country to take you in? No, to me it is just another way to squeeze some more money out of us (like we don't contribute enough already)....some crims are bound to be able to forge the cards eventually.....and there is your ID gone.
It won't help stop terrorism either, because the terrorists will not use them.
There won't be enough man power to check them(the ID cards)
Spain has ID cards but they were still the victims of a terror attack in Madrid.
It won't help stop terrorism either, because the terrorists will not use them.
There won't be enough man power to check them(the ID cards)
Spain has ID cards but they were still the victims of a terror attack in Madrid.
I agree whole heartedly Margaret, Having seen what a unholy mess the Goverment made of the Passport computer system (billions over budget, years late and not to teh original design) or teh mess they are making of the NHS system(seperate areas writing their own systems that are incompatible with each other, again massively over budget). I wouldn't trust them to get it anywhere near secure or workable.
With regards to which is replicable, biometric information is just a series of 1's and 0's, If you can read it from one card you can write it to another. Even encryption is not going to stop you. Todays PCs are powerful enough to break ciphers that the Cold war used in hours, Stick together a beowolf cluster and even 256 bit encryption is within days(to give you an idea, Internet banking uses 128 bit and each extra bit doubles the previous number of possible cominations)
Then it comes down to as Margaret says, If you are happy to blow yourself and countless others up, are you really going to be bothered to carry an ID card?
It isn't some holy grail of a nice secure country, its an expensive cash cow. Unfortunately, though it looks like one we will be paying for for years
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4707608.stm
Ian
With regards to which is replicable, biometric information is just a series of 1's and 0's, If you can read it from one card you can write it to another. Even encryption is not going to stop you. Todays PCs are powerful enough to break ciphers that the Cold war used in hours, Stick together a beowolf cluster and even 256 bit encryption is within days(to give you an idea, Internet banking uses 128 bit and each extra bit doubles the previous number of possible cominations)
Then it comes down to as Margaret says, If you are happy to blow yourself and countless others up, are you really going to be bothered to carry an ID card?
It isn't some holy grail of a nice secure country, its an expensive cash cow. Unfortunately, though it looks like one we will be paying for for years
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4707608.stm
Ian
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So long as it's free I say they can give me an I.D. card.
It will go with all other important/might be needed documents, into my paperwork drawer,
why? because if they ever stop me it will surely be a cheaper lift home than a taxi!
If stopped, the alternatives would be giving me a piece of paper similar to the one for producing your motoring documents and then letting me go, (And of course a terrorist would turn up wouldn't he), or taking me to the cells until proof could be obtained or acting like a taxi and driving me home!
The amount of police time wasted just because we didn't carry this particular piece of bureaucracy would soon outweigh any so called benefits.
I have managed to exist for over 50 years without carrying such documentation 24/7,
I don't see how changing this situation will improve my life style one jot.
If at any time in the past proof of I.D. was needed I have always willingly sorted something out, (passport, driving licence, etc.).
But I am not prepared to have a document that has me breaking the law just because I don't have it with me.
It will go with all other important/might be needed documents, into my paperwork drawer,
why? because if they ever stop me it will surely be a cheaper lift home than a taxi!
If stopped, the alternatives would be giving me a piece of paper similar to the one for producing your motoring documents and then letting me go, (And of course a terrorist would turn up wouldn't he), or taking me to the cells until proof could be obtained or acting like a taxi and driving me home!
The amount of police time wasted just because we didn't carry this particular piece of bureaucracy would soon outweigh any so called benefits.
I have managed to exist for over 50 years without carrying such documentation 24/7,
I don't see how changing this situation will improve my life style one jot.
If at any time in the past proof of I.D. was needed I have always willingly sorted something out, (passport, driving licence, etc.).
But I am not prepared to have a document that has me breaking the law just because I don't have it with me.
This government doesn't know what to tell the people......first the ID cards were to help in the fight against terrorists, then it was to ensure that welfare and benefits went to the right people, now they tell us it is to prevent identity theft. When are they going to come clean and admit that it is a means of extracting money from us......and also there is a frighteneing touch of Big Brother about it too. I can see me going to Jail because I will not have an ID card. The government already knows where to find me to extract taxation and any other dues they feel they can get from me.
We more or less have them already. How many times are you asked to produce your driving licence or passport as proof of identity, for something unrelated to either driving or going abroad?
I agree that we'll probably have to pay for the privilege of knowing who we are, when the cards are introduced.
I agree that we'll probably have to pay for the privilege of knowing who we are, when the cards are introduced.
The old driving licences are virtually useless to prove identity. Mez and I could swap and who would know? - we're both about the same age and both female. I'm all in favour of the new ones with a photograph - at least then six people can't share the same licence (and yes, it has happened - too often). I suppose there could be a problem if a person has neither a passport nor a driving licence, but that is rare these days.
I object on the grounds that it is going to cost me money - I work, have a reasonable salary, but I STILL don't want to pay for something I don't want. Who is going to pay for ID cards for those who don't and won't work? Us, of course. Those who can't work, fine, they shouldn't pay.
I also want to know more about how they will be used (or abused).
I object on the grounds that it is going to cost me money - I work, have a reasonable salary, but I STILL don't want to pay for something I don't want. Who is going to pay for ID cards for those who don't and won't work? Us, of course. Those who can't work, fine, they shouldn't pay.
I also want to know more about how they will be used (or abused).
Im for the ID card system.Late at night when walking home,from time to time i've been stopped by one of our police officers asking where I was going & where I'd been.Having told them they then ask for name,adress & D.O.B.They then check it out on the computer system via the radio to see if your wanted or known.If I was either of the later whats to stop me giving one of my brothers details?They would be non the wiser.I have nothing to hide so why not let them go for it.I think the majority of people oposed will be people with criminal records(major or minor),and certain people of foreign descent who seem to opose anything or person of authority that is able to keep an eye on what they are up to.
That is a big problem, Baby Boo. My passport was stolen the first year after I moved to Spain, mainly because we are required to carry it with us. All the car papers, insurance, tax etc have to be carried in the car too. Copies aren't allowed.
We now have this little black bag which we take everywhere with us and it is such a worry. There is nothing of value in it apart from the papers but one of these days some nasty person will nick it and then where will we be!
I agree with some sort of ID Card which will include all these things and, hopefully, may stop the necessity of leaving ourselves wide open to theft.
When I was younger I always carried a handbag but nowadays it's rare for me to do so. The less I have the more safe I feel.
We now have this little black bag which we take everywhere with us and it is such a worry. There is nothing of value in it apart from the papers but one of these days some nasty person will nick it and then where will we be!
I agree with some sort of ID Card which will include all these things and, hopefully, may stop the necessity of leaving ourselves wide open to theft.
When I was younger I always carried a handbag but nowadays it's rare for me to do so. The less I have the more safe I feel.
I object to ID cards janet and I’m not up to no good and I have nothing to hide.
I object on several fronts not least of which is having to pay for one TWICE. Our taxes will fund the production and implementation of the ID card system then to add insult to injury we will be required to pay again to receive one.
I also object to the sneaky way that they are being foisted onto the public. If you apply for a passport you have to have an ID card as well – for an extra fee of course. In order to obtain a passport I have to supply certain documents to prove who I am. So that makes an ID card obsolete before it gets off the ground.
During the last major war the citizens of France, Belgium and other occupied countries were issued with identity papers, the old equivalent of an ID card and they didn’t stop the freedom fighters from harassing the German army at every turn. So just exactly how is an ID card going to stop a home grown terrorist?
If the CSA computer system is anything to go by then the ID card computer network will be a shambles and a very expensive one at that. Guess who will have to pay?
This ID debacle is not a panacea to cure all the identity problems. It is Blair’s folly.
I object on several fronts not least of which is having to pay for one TWICE. Our taxes will fund the production and implementation of the ID card system then to add insult to injury we will be required to pay again to receive one.
I also object to the sneaky way that they are being foisted onto the public. If you apply for a passport you have to have an ID card as well – for an extra fee of course. In order to obtain a passport I have to supply certain documents to prove who I am. So that makes an ID card obsolete before it gets off the ground.
During the last major war the citizens of France, Belgium and other occupied countries were issued with identity papers, the old equivalent of an ID card and they didn’t stop the freedom fighters from harassing the German army at every turn. So just exactly how is an ID card going to stop a home grown terrorist?
If the CSA computer system is anything to go by then the ID card computer network will be a shambles and a very expensive one at that. Guess who will have to pay?
This ID debacle is not a panacea to cure all the identity problems. It is Blair’s folly.
Very well said Jambutty......it also means that whatever we do we will be tracked.......AND if we don't let the appropriate authorites know when we move house........we will be fined. More money for nothing into the Chancellors coffers. Why do we need ID cards......are there any of you out there whom the government have missed taxing????? NO, I didn't think so.
Another thing....will the Bobby on the beat in our locality have the wherewithal to check these useless bits of plastic that we will be held to ransom over????? I seriously doubt it.
Like you Jambutty I am a law abiding citizen and have nothing at all to hide........and unlike Mthead I am never out late at night. I will not be buying one of these cards......so we could be in adjoining cells.
Another thing....will the Bobby on the beat in our locality have the wherewithal to check these useless bits of plastic that we will be held to ransom over????? I seriously doubt it.
Like you Jambutty I am a law abiding citizen and have nothing at all to hide........and unlike Mthead I am never out late at night. I will not be buying one of these cards......so we could be in adjoining cells.
i dont mind having a card,,,,,i still have the one from 1941..the year i was born..(((Wonder what it would fetch on E.BAY)))lol
Ah yes GC, but that was different......it did not contain any biometric details........and correct me if I am wrong, you were not expected to pay for it. Also it was wartime conditions. This is going to be a much different situation......you could get your identity stolen. I know the government tell is it is to PREVENT identity theft......but they do not know what to tell us to get us on their side. If it was to protect us in any way do you think they would be doing it? It is a way to rake off more cash from the apathetic British public.