Now there was a leader, a real leader who was head and shoulders above our present crop of posturing nobody's.Rest in peace a noble man, who forgave in order to achieve his greatness.
Nelson Mandela
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Damn right ... In terms of his nobility, his courage, his determiation, and his commitment to what is right, he was a force of light in a dark century ... a giant striding among pygmies.
Whoa there a minute Less.
Mandela was the head of MK the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence, mobilising terrorist bombings, planting bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.
I knew somebody would point this out
It is valid point though.
Always was amazed they awarded a Nobel Prize to a terrorist leader.
Fair point, but as they say one mans Terrorist is another's Freedom Fighter.
To be fair the the BBC, they did mention him taking up arms and embracing violence, only briefly.
All that said, if your race was being suppressed by a Minority state with extreme violence, would you not fight back?
To be fair the the BBC, they did mention him taking up arms and embracing violence, only briefly.
All that said, if your race was being suppressed by a Minority state with extreme violence, would you not fight back?
By using that analogy, the IRA would also have been freedom fighters, Theres a big difference to me to fighting the system n those in power, to slaughtering the innocent.
Every man has a past.....and there are many revered men who started out badly.
That he eventually made a difference in the world is what should be remembered and taken account of.
He paid for his transgressions. He learned to be a diplomat, a man who could bring change.
His life was anything but a cake walk.
That he eventually made a difference in the world is what should be remembered and taken account of.
He paid for his transgressions. He learned to be a diplomat, a man who could bring change.
His life was anything but a cake walk.
Could not agree more Cashy.
I don’t really see this cheerful kindly old man who converted from a selfless humble freedom fighter that the current eulogies would have us swallow.
The cloud that they would have us believe he is sat on up there irrefutably smells of cordite and blood and he is now reunited up there with his other fellow "freedom fighters" Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia to name but two.
The cloud that they would have us believe he is sat on up there irrefutably smells of cordite and blood and he is now reunited up there with his other fellow "freedom fighters" Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia to name but two.
No I totally agree- It doesn't override the good he did, but a lot of people seem a bit unrealistic where Mandela is concerned.
It is not compulsory to believe everything that the media tell us.
For what it's worth - maybe true - conspiracy forums said he died a few months back, based on some of his relatives being seen undertaking some 'bereavement rituals'.
It is not incredible that the death was concealed and announcement delayed to suit 'a more suitable time' - it has provided publicity for a film premiere that Willie and his missus went to see this week, hasn't it?
- and there may well be diplomatic reasons that we aren't aware of.
It is not incredible that the death was concealed and announcement delayed to suit 'a more suitable time' - it has provided publicity for a film premiere that Willie and his missus went to see this week, hasn't it?
- and there may well be diplomatic reasons that we aren't aware of.
Roger that Mr C... and he was S Africa's 1st black lawyer so he would know right from wrong better than most.
He and the ANC accepted $60 million from Suharto and around $10million from the Libyan despot to fund and mobilise their bombing campaigns.
Tellingly too Amnesty later refused to take up his case saying "They could not not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence"
Anybody remember Apartheid?
There is a lot of knocking Mandela and others for violence, even comparing him to dictators.
When you and your race are oppressed are you tend to have very little choice, if you do what the Jew's did in the 1930's you will be murdered by the millions.
The Black South Africans fought back against Apartheid, peaceful activism can only work for so long.
I am not condoning the actions the ANC and others took, merely recognizing that there was no other option for them.
The South African regime killed people who were dissidents, anyone who did not agree with them, Steve Biko may be the most recognized, but there were others.
Nelson Mandela may not have been perfect, but who is.
There is a lot of knocking Mandela and others for violence, even comparing him to dictators.
When you and your race are oppressed are you tend to have very little choice, if you do what the Jew's did in the 1930's you will be murdered by the millions.
The Black South Africans fought back against Apartheid, peaceful activism can only work for so long.
I am not condoning the actions the ANC and others took, merely recognizing that there was no other option for them.
The South African regime killed people who were dissidents, anyone who did not agree with them, Steve Biko may be the most recognized, but there were others.
Nelson Mandela may not have been perfect, but who is.
Is South Africa a better place now?
Have the ANC done what they said they would do for the people?
The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel. BG
BUT
IMHO the ANC is corrupt to its core and just as racist as the National Party they replaced.
S Africa law dictates that white males must be placed at the bottom of the Hire Lists for government jobs as well as Hire Lists for non-government jobs. South African Airways on behest of the Government recently ran a job advert with the ending tag line "whites need not apply" Whites can’t get jobs in their native land because of the laws passed by Mandela's African National Congress.