Protest against foreign workers

accyman said:
accrington alone has a huge buisness called express gifts that mainly employees foreigners because the lazy arsed sods that doss around town all day cant be bothered to get a job

if it truely was a case of foreigners taking jobs away from UK citizens then yes i would be annoyed but lets be honest here the majority of jobs foreigners get are simply there because a lot of people would rather work up an asbo rather than a wage

i think its safe to say most people could name quite a lot of people who havnt lifted a finger working since leaving school so if they dont want the jobs then its no wonder workers are brought in from other countries

perhaps we should adopt americas take on benefits where you get 6 months payout from the govenment then your own then there wouldnt be jobs for foreigners to take
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More likely the foreign workers will do all hours god sends in overtime. Usually they are in this country by themselves and have left their families behind, so the company know they are on to a good thing before they start. They have no family commitments which would prevent them from wanting to do so. They just want the money.

Have experience of this company, all my older kids have worked there at some stage or other. As have I myself for six months. Maybe the fact that me and others didn't want to do more than the expected hours overtime, and Saturdays- on a rota, and we have a life outside work, is why they are taking on these foreign workers rather than us Brits. Myself and a couple of people I know who have worked there, who flogged our guts out in the required hours, have been turned down to work for them again, and they refuse to give a reason...I wonder why? :(
 
iv always said express gifts is a god awfull place to work for but it still remains that we have plenty of teenage males and females with no commitments dossing around town who could easily work there yet dont do

i worked there for over 6 months rather than claim dole money untill i found a better job and hated every single day i spent there and i dare say a lot of other people have worked crap jobs rather than be on benefits but these days more and more kids leave school and pull their face at the idea of actually getting a job which leaves jobs open for immigrants

liek i said , maybe we should follow the USA and only allow 6 months benefit then nothing at all and see how fast these jobs get snatched up before imigrants even get a foot onto the ferry


most people have worked for poor wages at one point or other infact my generation mostly worked for £28.50 a week on teh crappy Y.T.S sheme and tehre were no such things as minimum wage or working tax credit then to help us out
 
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Yes it is a god awful place to work. Use to doubt that myself before I worked there. But to be honest if you want to give an example, Express isn't the one.

I would have quite willingly have gone back and worked for minimum wage, doing the alloted extra hours, for the extra cash, and not to be on the dole.

I did nothing wrong while I was there, (Clayton offices) I even helped train up incomers after me when the supervisor had gone off shift, which was expected, even though I didn't get paid for it, and it interrupted my own work.

But my reluctance to do even more hours overtime than written down obviously was noted.

The fact that if you do more than a certain number of hours overtime has a knock on effect on your tax credits the next year obviously isn't of interest to them. Nor the fact that you may be doing extra hours to your family's detriment..especially as a single parent.


As far as the teenagers hanging round town with no jobs, unless they stop their benefits, they aren't even going to try are they?
 
there are examples where british workers get laid off then imigrants are employed a few weeks later at a lower wage and that is disgusting and should be stopped and made illigal for a company to do so but i still maintain there are also a lotof jobs out there that are filled by immigrants that need not be

working for benefits has been discussed before and i think its a good idea and would also reduce teh need for imigrant workers

if i was an employer and had a job to offer i would offer it to the UK citizen but if no UK citizens are coming for teh job then of course i would give it to somone who wanted it
 
cashman said:
thats were folk are being conned, it is not their responsibility for the foreign workers, that can only be eradicated IF government can either change opinion in "Brussels" or come out of the common market n re-claim responsibility.
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Nope, its the governments responsibility (Morally). By acknowledging any other authority we merely allow them to avoid their responsibilities
 
but who is making express gifts a crap place to work.the so called management who are after the quick buck.they would rather see their country go down the swanney than create decent working conditions so people will want to work there .they probably use outdated workin practices..another example of the greed factor which will probably blow up in their faces,thats happened to other companies recently..just to think people died for better working conditions and practices only to be blown away by thatcher and her cronies ,who sold off the countries assets and made it acceptable to do so again..lets not get into the blame culture the only blame is on the politicians who have been selling us down the river and that is both labour and tories now is a time for a new political party to rise but the big 2 have tried to make it impossible by raising the bond you have to pay by fielding a candidate..the best thing to do at the moment is to protest at the houses of parliament and give them a message the silent majority is no longer silent.it is time for action before it is too late......
 
As far as I know, if someone is laid off, they cannot legally take on someone in the same position for a certain period, I think it's 3 months but not sure , can't remember. Maybe they recreate it under a different title?

Would have no problem working for benefits, if I was signing on, but that is not the position I am in.

Sometimes I think the job centre have more interest in offering jobs to people who are signing on, and are there to play the system, just to get statistics down, rather than someone who really wants the job but isn't doing so. It's easy to take a dosser off the dole queue, and give them a placement, which may not even last that long, considering they don't really want the job in the first place. Yet people like me, willing to give our all, don't even count. We don't count as far as getting training for other options, going on courses etc. Would love to do a certain course, but it ain't available to me coz i don't sign on.
 
yup iv bveen in that position as well where because i didnt get the right sort of benefit i couldnt get certain training courses

my argument isnt against those willing to work but are held back by stupid regulations but against those who leave school and never see a payslip of any kind apart from what they sign for every fortnight and even when offered help in the way of courses at college choose to either doss around town or stay in bed
 
thats why this certain company use employment agencies so they can get away with anything ..if it was up to me i would disband all these employment agencies they are not good for the moral of the country in fact they are another part of the problems of todays society.jobs are supposed to make or break people .these agencies just break people and destroy the fabric of society gone past...i say everybody boycott all express gifts products..
 
polly said:
Nope, its the governments responsibility (Morally). By acknowledging any other authority we merely allow them to avoid their responsibilities
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Not true, it's not the government's responsibility because they willingly handed over that responsibility, along with many other responsibilities to an undemocratic quango in Brussels/Strasbourg long ago. You can protest all you want to Parliament but they won't do a thing about it, because they CAN'T do a thing about it. For better or for worse, citizens have complete freedom of movement in the EU.
 
Yep, they should be made to do some sort of work for their benefits, what ever it is, be it created specially for that purpose or not. Even if it is cleaning their croneys crap up off broadway, or working for an organisation that is desparately in need of voluntary help. I have no problems with the work for benefits ethic at all.

As for job agencies...don't get me started. Why firms can't employ their own people is beyond me. At least if they saw their prospective employees face to face, they would have an idea of what they were getting. Then they wouldn't have to constantly rehire due to crap decisions by the agencies.

As for boycotting Express, the choice is yours, but working there, and ordering from them, faulty and broken goods...takes ages to get your money back...
 
Caz said:
Sometimes I think the job centre have more interest in offering jobs to people who are signing on
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The jobcentre don't offer anybody jobs anymore. It's all DIY. Jobcentres are now administration offices for benefits where they have computer screens to look at jobs available and you need a very strong nose to stay in the building for more than 2 minutes. :rolleyes:
 
they are having a crack down i think and trying to get people back into work... i got a letter from them to go for a work based interview next month.. i called them and said that i was heavily pregnant and was told that i could put the interview off until my baby is 6 weeks old.
 
Yep agreed. But Ive sat in there, with people I know are career benefit claimants. Have heard them being offered options of jobs which you just know they are not going to keep, even if they get them. Surely they must be able to suss out these people by now and offer them work for benefits, with the option of losing such if they don't do it, and leave proper jobs for people who really want them and are willing to commit.
 
polly said:
Nope, its the governments responsibility (Morally). By acknowledging any other authority we merely allow them to avoid their responsibilities
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moralise all ya want, face fact it is not the governments responsibilty.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris said:
Not true, it's not the government's responsibility because they willingly handed over that responsibility, along with many other responsibilities to an undemocratic quango in Brussels/Strasbourg long ago. You can protest all you want to Parliament but they won't do a thing about it, because they CAN'T do a thing about it. For better or for worse, citizens have complete freedom of movement in the EU.
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Parliment protest is all there is I.M.H.O. if enough people converged on em, worldwide coverage would ensue, its the only option/chance i can see of any possible attempt to discard the treaty. enough people n any party in power would have to get off the pot.;)
 
emamum said:
they are having a crack down i think and trying to get people back into work... i got a letter from them to go for a work based interview next month.. i called them and said that i was heavily pregnant and was told that i could put the interview off until my baby is 6 weeks old.
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Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. The local offices must surely know who the real shirkers are. Would make more sense chasing up these rather than forcing single parents with babies to get a job. Granted some of these may also be people determined to use the system, but the majority aren't.

On the one hand the government is telling us how to bring up our kids, saying family is all important, and the next they are telling them get a job and put your baby into paid supervision. It's ok if you want to go back to work and have the care in place, but forcing the issue is not right as far as I can see.
 
emamum said:
they are having a crack down i think and trying to get people back into work... i got a letter from them to go for a work based interview next month.. i called them and said that i was heavily pregnant and was told that i could put the interview off until my baby is 6 weeks old.
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It's just a paper exercise to meet targets.
 
that would be perfect :D

the only thing thats stopped me from being there is the recession :(
 
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