r. biggs.

[garinda]

Just for the sake of curiosity, it would be really interesting to know how much income tax Briggs paid in the U.K. prior to 1963, since it's highly doubtful he's paid anything into the system since.

People who chose crime as a profession, if they're any good at it, rarely work a 9-5 job, and pay all the relevant taxes that fund our welfare state.

That's usually down to millions of other law abiding, hard working people.

People like the train driver Jack Mills. The people who graft away for years, to put a roof over their families heads, and food on the table, and who pay all the taxes that fund our social benefit system, and the National Health Service, etc.

The same N.H.S. Brigg's returned here to take advantage of, because he'd blown all his ill-gotten gains, and couldn't afford medical care in Brazil.

 

[garinda]

Although his son is now saying his father is sorry, and feels remorse, the last interview I read, done a couple of months ago, Briggs proudly said he didn't feel any remorse for his crimes, and that he was glad his noteriety meant he'd earned his place in history.

 

[jaysay]

Although his son is now saying his father is sorry, and feels remorse, the last interview I read, done a couple of months ago, Briggs proudly said he didn't feel any remorse for his crimes, and that he was glad his noteriety meant he'd earned his place in history.

On this issue I agree with you 100% Rindi

 

[Lilly]

Old school crim.

Bit of a rogue.

Jack the lad.

The people's hero.

No he wasn't.

For God's sake he wasn't some sort of Robin Hood, robbing the rich to feed the poor. It was hard working tax payer's money on that train, and the only poor to benefit were the third world, poverty trapped, prostitues he bought as company in his fun filled exile.

I hope he finds peace now he's been released, and in the time he has left.

I'd also hope he'd eventually show some remorse for his part in the crime. If only for the victim's family, Jack Mills, the 58 year old, hard working train driver, who was coshed on the head with an iron bar, and who was never able to work again, and who suffered pain from his injuries until his death.

Perhaps some people wouldn't feel so misty eyed about Biggs if it'd been thier old dad who'd been attacked, whilst going about his business.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Neil]

He should not have been let.

 

[Royboy39]

Just for the sake of curiosity, it would be really interesting to know how much income tax Briggs paid in the U.K. prior to 1963, since it's highly doubtful he's paid anything into the system since.

People who chose crime as a profession, if they're any good at it, rarely work a 9-5 job, and pay all the relevant taxes that fund our welfare state.

That's usually down to millions of other law abiding, hard working people.

People like the train driver Jack Mills. The people who graft away for years, to put a roof over their families heads, and food on the table, and who pay all the taxes that fund our social benefit system, and the National Health Service, etc.

The same N.H.S. Brigg's returned here to take advantage of, because he'd blown all his ill-gotten gains, and couldn't afford medical care in Brazil.

Dont give a toss.....he has been given back to his family for burial.
God speed.
Might create an interest on here with millions of hard working people but the man is on his last legs.
Rindi.....10 out of 10 for trying, but the subject will die with the demise of R Biggs.

 

[garinda]

Dont give a toss.

If that's the case, and there's nothing constructive you can add to the discussion, it seems a bit of a waste of time bothering to post.

 

[Taggy]

Hopefully the family will have to pay for the burial too!!....How long before the Son has a book out???

Best Regards - Taggy

 

[Royboy39]

If that's the case, and there's nothing constructive you can add to the discussion, it seems a bit of a waste of time bothering to post.[/quote

That being the case, RIP Garinda and R Biggs, and let the man die with dignanty and in peace.......unless you have other ideas?

 

[garinda]

My sentiments exactly.

We seem to have a generation divide on this one.

The old codgers seem to be misty eyed about old Ronnie, whilst those of us too young to remember seem to have more sypmathy with the victim, rather than those that chose violent crime as a career.

 

[garinda]

Hopefully the family will have to pay for the burial too!!....How long before the Son has a book out???

Best Regards - Taggy

At least there's one ot two sad saps on here who'll probably buy a copy.

 

[BERNADETTE]

If that's the case, and there's nothing constructive you can add to the discussion, it seems a bit of a waste of time bothering to post.[/quote

That being the case, RIP Garinda and R Biggs, and let the man die with dignanty and in peace.......unless you have other ideas?

Not a very nice thing to post is it?

 

[Royboy39]

We seem to have a generation divide on this one.

The old codgers seem to be misty eyed about old Ronnie, whilst those of us too young to remember seem to have more sypmathy with the victim, rather than those that chose violent crime as a career.

The old codgers probably have a longer lifespan than the young codgers....and more knowledge. Carry on in your quest to be the font and maybe you will stumblle by the wayside.

 

[Taggy]

The old codgers probably have a longer lifespan than the young codgers....and more knowledge. Carry on in your quest to be the font and maybe you will stumblle by the wayside.

Pity Biggs didn't put his knowledge to better use then!

Best Regards - Taggy

 

[BERNADETTE]

Pity Biggs didn't put his knowledge to better use then!

Best Regards - Taggy

Well said, he is made out to be some sort of hero when what he and that gang did was far from heroic

 

[Royboy39]

Pity Biggs didn't put his knowledge to better use then!

Best Regards - Taggy

Agree Taggy but is he killing our troops in Afghanstan?

 

[Royboy39]

At least there's one ot two sad saps on here who'll probably buy a copy.

Would that be you by any chance ?

 

[Taggy]

Agree Taggy but is he killing our troops in Afghanstan?

Obviously not Royboy, and on that score i'd get our troops out of there at the first opportunity, not a war i've believed in from the start.

The thing with Biggs Roy is that whilst the intial sentance handed out was perhaps a bit longer than it could have been. He never served, or attempted to serve the sentance, and never showed any remorse afterwards, which some of the others who did serve the time did. He would have got out just as soon as they did if he hadn't broken out, and perhaps he could have shown people then that he was capable of turning over a new leaf. Buster Edwards for example used to run a flower stall at Waterloo Station for many years! But Biggs just gloated in his notorieity and stuck two fingers up at the justice system and also the rest of the British Public really!

Best Regards - Taggy

 

[cashman]

We seem to have a generation divide on this one.

The old codgers seem to be misty eyed about old Ronnie, whilst those of us too young to remember seem to have more sypmathy with the victim, rather than those that chose violent crime as a career.

i'm certainly not misty eyed about biggs he was a career criminal simple as! my point is simple the sentences the train robbers got where well out of kelter wi what was the order of the day fer murderers n other serious crimes, i have already stated the reason fer it, you young uns seem too misty eyed to grasp that. n as far the argument about the postcode lottery fer treatment thats summat i have gone through personally, n also summat far worse at the same time, it makes no differance to my view about those sentences it didn't back in 60s n it don't now.

 

[garinda]

He never served, or attempted to serve the sentance, and never showed any remorse afterwards, which some of the others who did serve the time did.

The longest sentence any of them served was ten years. Meaning that Biggs could have been freed by the mid seventies, if he'd have knuckled down, served his sentence, and shown the slightest remorse.

I'll mention again that as recently as a few months ago he said in an interview he felt no remorse, and that by not doing so it somehow added to his noteriety.

You do the crime, and you do the time, if that's how you chose to live your life.

I think they were probably lucky. People have died from less severe attacks than being coshed on the head with an iron bar. A few years earlier, and only down to luck that the train driver didn't die, they could have been facing the gallows.

We all have to live with the consequences of our actions.

For those unwilling to work decently and legally, providing for their families, and for society in general, via the paying of tax to fund the welfare system, they must face the consequences that crime doesn't always pay.

Although the tax other people have paid will provide the medical care to prolong your life when you're ill, and you've spent all the proceeds of your criminal career.