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There have to be boundaries in all areas of life. If boundaries are not set and maintained then where does this leave young adults when they join the real world?
We have to let children know from a young age that there are consequences to all actions.
I think that much of the lack of discipline in life stems from parents who do not set boundaries.....or let children overstep boundaries.
Children really do NEED to have clear behavioural objectives explained to them.
They actually need the firm borders of discipline. This is the foundation on which their life is going to be built. You would never build a house without putting down firm foundations.

My father was very strict, but the rules were explained and if you broke the rules and were found out then you knew what the consequences were. My father was also very fair....he would give you a chance to explain, but on the understanding that you would still get what was coming. There were seven of us at home and anything less than this approach would not have been workable.
 
We had a woman teacher who caned the girls, and a man for the boys. Can't actually remember any girls getting it though. I know the boys did.

A science teacher used to throw things at us - empty tins, chalkboard dusters, whatever he could lay his hands on. Had a good aim, too. Seemed to enjoy tugging girls' plaits hard as he walked past them 'to keep them alert'. Had a dark room for developing photographs - and for putting disruptive students in.
 
I remember in Junior school the teacher telling us that we shouldn't use swear words otherwise she would wash our mouths out with carbolic soap. My so-called friend told her that I used the word 'blooming' a lot in a way that made it sound like a swear word, and so I was threatened with the carbolic soap treatment if I continued to do so. I think the teacher was looking forward to extracting the punishment to offenders.....

.....she would have a ball these days!
 
Just asked my Accrington man if he was ever punished at school. 'Too right' he said. Apparently (according to him that is) he and another student got the cane every day at Springhill school. On the fingertips.

I said they must have been slow learners not to have woken up to the fact that this is what they would get if they misbehaved, but he said the headmaster (Mr. Spencer) seemed to have it in for them. This was to the point that instead of encouraging them he told them that if they passed the exam to go to Accrington Tech it would be 'nothing short of a miracle'. They both did!
 
cashman said:
What yeh learn Guinness is to learn to obey the rules or get bounced, I firmly believe its people wi yer outlook, reckoning punishment is abuse, is the main reason things have gone to ratsh1t,:rolleyes: Whilst punishment yeh always get some teachers that abused the rule n went too far, Thats called Life,it happens everywhere.:rolleyes:
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I find it strange that a guy who allegedly touches a womans breast for 10 seconds 20 years ago, said woman being well able to fight back mind you...gets dragged through the courts as an abuser..yet someone who chucks a 3x2 at a defenceless childs head and splits it open, someone who drags a defenceless kid across a room by the ear, hits a young girl so hard he knocks her glasses from her face...well thats ok, because they are educators..and because the justification for giving this kind of neanderthal punishment to our children is that everything goes to ratsh1t if you dont.:rolleyes:
 
Guinness said:
I find it strange that a guy who allegedly touches a womans breast for 10 seconds 20 years ago, said woman being well able to fight back mind you...gets dragged through the courts as an abuser..yet someone who chucks a 3x2 at a defenceless childs head and splits it open, someone who drags a defenceless kid across a room by the ear, hits a young girl so hard he knocks her glasses from her face...well thats ok, because they are educators..and because the justification for giving this kind of neanderthal punishment to our children is that everything goes to ratsh1t if you dont.:rolleyes:
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Do you know who she was Guinness, just wondering how you can be so sure of her self defence abilities.
 
Guinness said:
I find it strange that a guy who allegedly touches a womans breast for 10 seconds 20 years ago, said woman being well able to fight back mind you...gets dragged through the courts as an abuser..yet someone who chucks a 3x2 at a defenceless childs head and splits it open, someone who drags a defenceless kid across a room by the ear, hits a young girl so hard he knocks her glasses from her face...well thats ok, because they are educators..and because the justification for giving this kind of neanderthal punishment to our children is that everything goes to ratsh1t if you dont.:rolleyes:
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Well, looking at the way children have gone over the years where no authority of any description has been exerted, society is definitely not improved by the lack of discipline.
There are no deterrents to bad behaviour, either from parents or schools.

Not so long ago I was on a bus when a group of school children got on.
They were in uniform, swearing and generally behaving in a very anti social manner.
Did anyone check them? No, they were allowed to continue being rowdy.
I rang the school to tell them and a more disinterested person would be hard to find.
When I was at school(yes OK, it was a long time ago) we were told that while in uniform, we represented the school.....and what people saw would be how the school would be judged.

My experiences tell me that times were better when there were boundaries which were clear to children.....when parents taught their children basic manners and instilled respect for themselves and others.
Whatever deterrents were used back in the days when I was growing up seem to have been more effective than what is currently being used.
 
My mum came back from town on the bus full of school children the other day and was fairly shocked too. She's made a mental note never to travel at that time of day ever again! (And she's no wallflower either).
 
I have stopped travelling on the buses when I know that school children are likely to be on them.
I was coming back from Southport recently and a group of children(no more that 12/13) were on the bus......two boys behind me were discussing in graphic detail about what they would like to do to a young blonde schoolgirl sitting across the aisle......this was not whispered and was clearly audible throughout the bus......there was an asian boy with a lisp who kept shouting out the word 'man-gina'.
In the end I spoke to the boys who were behind me and also the asian boy......I asked them if their parent knew how they behaved on public transport....and if they knew that they were speaking in such lewd and offensive manner.
The young asian boy...I asked him if his imam would value hearing how he spoke...and whether he would consider it to be evidence of a good Muslim upbringing.(it was during Ramadan too)
It all went a bit quiet after that.
To some degree, we are to blame because we do not challenge this behaviour.
So the children come to believe it is acceptable.
Himself cringes when I speak up...but I feel that if more people would do this then there would be a little more respect.

Also, I have to say that the girls are, if anything, worse than the boys.
 
Guinness said:
I find it strange that a guy who allegedly touches a womans breast for 10 seconds 20 years ago, said woman being well able to fight back mind you...gets dragged through the courts as an abuser..yet someone who chucks a 3x2 at a defenceless childs head and splits it open, someone who drags a defenceless kid across a room by the ear, hits a young girl so hard he knocks her glasses from her face...well thats ok, because they are educators..and because the justification for giving this kind of neanderthal punishment to our children is that everything goes to ratsh1t if you dont.:rolleyes:
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Nobody i reckon thinks its ok, I stated that yeh always get some who go too far in all aspect of life,but thats a different thing altogether dealing wi those.So as far as i'm concerned unless yer totally thick,which i doubt yeh are, yer just stirring the pot.
 
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