The Swarm!

[cashman]

Interestingly i just seen on the news,Sweden are deporting 50.000 illegal migrants oer the next 2 yrs, the public who having been yon,i certainly dont look on as hateful, are up in arms about the 2 yr its gonna take, seeing how its costing the taxpayer fer em. it seems to me 50.000 is hell of a lot of people who shouldn't even be there, and this is without any syrian,afghan. or Iraqis, of which no doubt some of those will be yon with bad intentions, as well as those who are genuine, yet it seems to me the do-gooders are much too dense to grasp this fact.

 

[DtheP47]

Put em on coaches and drive them to the gates of Auswitch, then tell em it wouldn't take much to get it working again, Less called them turds, I prefer the word vermin.

Whatever your views on the Calais situation, there's no excuse for that sort of hateful bile. Pathetic.

That has to be one of the most horrendous comments ever made. Shame on you.

11) Remember, 'free speech' means that any form of bigotry, racism and misogyny is perfectly OK.
Stellings Rule 11/25

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

So.... DtheP47 you consider me to be one of the hateful four?
Just because I have an opinion which differs from yours, I am saying what a lot of people are thinking.
My self esteem does not depend on your judgement of me.
I am a realist.
I see the problems that bringing these people into our country will cause( they are evident in the countries that these people are already resident in.
I am at the bum end of my life, but I despair of how this country is at present.....and the legacy which is being left for future generations.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

As for these self serving celebs who come on our screens and pontificate about what we should be doing.....well, this is not anything to do with their humanitarian ethics. It is more about raising their own profile than that of people in the camps.
If these people were to be allowed free let into this country do you really think it would affect the celebs?
They have private schools to send their children to...they have Harley street doctors to minister to them when they are ill.....not for them a wait on a housing list that lengthens because house are allocated to an asylum seeker or a refugee ahead of them.

When I see one of these celebs buying up accommodation and housing these refugees.....paying for the health care and education of the children......only then might I take advice from them.
Those in the Ivory towers are far removed from the dung heap of life that is the lot of many of the folk who were born here have to put up with.

 

[DtheP47]

So.... DtheP47 you consider me to be one of the hateful four?
Just because I have an opinion which differs from yours, I am saying what a lot of people are thinking.
My self esteem does not depend on your judgement of me.
I am a realist.
I see the problems that bringing these people into our country will cause( they are evident in the countries that these people are already resident in.
I am at the bum end of my life, but I despair of how this country is at present.....and the legacy which is being left for future generations.

Yup Margaret your self esteem is dependent on your judgement of you. Yes indeedy.

Circle the Wagons.
You are welcome to your xenophobia Margaret, you and all the other prejudiced naysayers with your dystopian prophesies and your not so very thinly veiled ways of sayin' “ I don’t want them in my backyard”

 

[cashman]

I will say loud n clear i do not want isis or any terrorists in my backyard, there is no check whatsoever on who is or who aint,, if that sits well wi you DtheP it dont wi me. simple fact is yeh only need 1 of these evil gits to commit carnage.

 

[Wynonie Harris]

This whole "load of immigrants" controversy came about when Corbyn was asking Cameron some awkward questions about the tax deal with Google, which apparently amounts to a pathetic 3% - a marked contrast to Italy where the government have extracted 15% from Google. Cameron used the phrase deliberately, as he knew it would deflect from the question he was being asked and, hey presto, it worked!

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, you are right Steve,
It was a definite diversionary tactic.

Parliament is like the baby house, it really is.

But, in the past, governments of all colours and persuasions have known about the tax anomalies...loopholes which were favouring the big multinational companies and NONE of them did diddly squat about it.
HMRC are a shameless waste of space...they prefer to chase pensioners for a few hundred quid that was underpaid due to the incompetence of HMRC...after all when you are on PAYE you expect their calculations to be correct.

Now it is time to see if the current government can do more about extracting the appropriate amount of tax from some of these companies that seem to be teflon coated....I won't hold my breath though.

 

[Michael1954]

Load of immigrants now seems innocuous when compared with calling them boat load of turds, vermin and the suggestion they be driven to the gates of Auschwitz.

 

[cashman]

To be honest mate, i dont reckon for 1 min Camerons remark made the remotest difference to what people think about this refugee farce, it certainly didn't to me, people have been really bugged about how n whats happening,long before Camerons remarks.

 

[Eric]

Whatever your views on the Calais situation, there's no excuse for that sort of hateful bile. Pathetic.

I'm with you completely on this ... and to make such a comment on Holocaust Memorial Day ... And what if Auschwitz were fired up again? Would they still have the "women, children, and elderly first" policy?" Maybe the problem wouldn't be as bad if Europe were still a collection of sovereign states instead of whatever geopolitical mess it has become.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yup Margaret your self esteem is dependent on your judgement of you. Yes indeedy.

Circle the Wagons.
You are welcome to your xenophobia Margaret, you and all the other prejudiced naysayers with your dystopian prophesies and your not so very thinly veiled ways of sayin' “ I don’t want them in my backyard”

I am quite comfortable in my judgement of myself....and do not need any assurances from you at all.
I am far from being xenophobic. I am just being realistic.
When it comes to providing for people we should be doing this for our own people first.
What we cannot provide for own homeless, we should not be offering to the homeless of another country.

And as far as your comment 'Not in my Backyard' being thinly veiled...it isn't veiled at all. That is exactly what I am saying...and for the reasons I have outlined fully in other posts........but just for you I will reiterate.
Housing(lack of)Schools(places, lack of), health care(already stretched to limits)...the general infrastructure of the country(poor roads, transport etc)...plus the fact that these people...refugees, asylum seekers,migrants...whatever you want to call them do not wish to integrate here...do not want to follow our laws.....would have us tailor OUR lives to their needs, their rules....it is happening right now in other countries...open your eyes and see.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

OH yes, and calling me xenophobic is like attaching the label racist...aimed at stifling healthy debate(in fact, any debate at all) about something which will affect the lives of all of us.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

I'm with you completely on this ... and to make such a comment on Holocaust Memorial Day ... And what if Auschwitz were fired up again? Would they still have the "women, children, and elderly first" policy?" Maybe the problem wouldn't be as bad if Europe were still a collection of sovereign states instead of whatever geopolitical mess it has become.

Eric you are right about it being a geopolitical mess.

The open borders of the EU are at fault, but also the political leaders hoping to gain Kudos from inviting those fleeing from their own countries have a lot to answer for.

These invitations have meant that people from all over the middle east and beyond, can gain access to Europe.....it has allowed the possibility of those who would wish us harm to gain access to their target...just by destroying the evidence of who they are and where they hail from.

Yet to say this out loud is to be condemned as a Xenophobe.

 

[Wynonie Harris]

To be honest mate, i dont reckon for 1 min Camerons remark made the remotest difference to what people think about this refugee farce, it certainly didn't to me, people have been really bugged about how n whats happening,long before Camerons remarks.

What it did do is deflect attention from the fact that Cameron and Osborne have yet again let the big multi-national companies off the hook on tax. This is what Corbyn was trying to highlight - wouldn't it be great if us ordinary folk had a 3 per cent tax rate? But we have to pay full whack and watch the NHS and other vital services being decimated by the Tories.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

If all of these multinational companies paid what they REALLYowed then we would be able to ensure t hat the NHS had everything it needed, the cuts to services would not be necessary...and the infrastructure of the Uk could be made suitable for use.
It isn't just this government at fault...although it is the only government which can actively do something right now...but previous governments have allowed large companies to get away with avoiding tax at the rate we pay.....this is not the fault of the companies(they have done nothing illegal - but they have been immoral), but the fault of the governments...both past and present.

 

[Wynonie Harris]

If all of these multinational companies paid what they REALLYowed then we would be able to ensure t hat the NHS had everything it needed, the cuts to services would not be necessary...and the infrastructure of the Uk could be made suitable for use.
It isn't just this government at fault...although it is the only government which can actively do something right now...but previous governments have allowed large companies to get away with avoiding tax at the rate we pay.....this is not the fault of the companies(they have done nothing illegal - but they have been immoral), but the fault of the governments...both past and present.

Yep, Cameron used that one too. Blame Blair, blame Brown, blame anyone but me. But as you say, "it's the only government that can do something right now." But they're NOT doing anything right now, except letting these companies off the hook then using smokescreen tactics to divert our attention from it.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

I don't think they are doing such a good job of diverting our attention from these failings.
My attention is not diverted(yours neither by the sound of it)...nor is it diverted from the abysmal attempts to try to make us believe that great efforts are being made with reference to renegotiating our deal with the EU.
There is precious little being done about lots of important things.
I might be considered a doddery old bird, but my mind is as sharp as ever it was.

 

[DaveinGermany]

Here's the Huff' Post piece with the youtube link.

Peter Capaldi Uses Jordan Camp Visit To Remind Us All Of The One Thing Syrian Refugees Want - To Go Home

Ah, so yet another celebrity extolling the virtues of the refugees & sermonizing as to why we should be more accepting. How many other "enlightened luminaries" have been bumping their gums as to what we should do & what they intend to do (but as far as I can see not much happening with that particular puppy though, Geldof, Thompson, Cumberbatch, Colymore & Sturgeon to name a few ....... mouth & trousers comes to mind")

Credit at least to Capaldi as he was over there in JORDAN, a refugee camp close to their home I can understand, but as to enclaves of vice, villainy & thuggery in mainland Europe is beyond my comprehension & ken, especially the squalid nests on the French coast.

Nice try fella, but it doesn't cut it for me ..... 6/10 needs improvement.

Cameron used the phrase deliberately, as he knew it would deflect from the question he was being asked and, hey presto, it worked!

Unbelievable & woeful, if the "Honourable opposition ????", can't focus long enough upon a single topic without being so readily distracted by such simplistic tactics that they instantaneously respond by frothing & foaming like rabid Pavlovian conditioned canines ......... What hope that these misfits could sort a major issue for their electorate?

Here boy! Good girl! Wanna stick? Where's your ball? Good mannimal ...... Fetch!

 

[DtheP47]

Load of immigrants now seems innocuous when compared with calling them boat load of turds, vermin and the suggestion they be driven to the gates of Auschwitz.

Yes Michael, got to wonder where our myopic mods are on this?
I for one however don't want the sad sacks posts deleted, yes I know it's a child friendly forum (it does say that somewhere on here) but leave them on here for all to see.