Are You Safe In His Taxi - Page 16

WillowTheWhisp · 22-03-2007, 19:42

It might be best to stick to one issue at a time or it could be seen as having a personal grievance against Mr. Dad and distract from the seriousness of the situation with these taxi drivers.

If a teacher is accused of untoward conduct they are suspended. If a taxi driver is arrested but not yet convicted he is allowed to carry on driving and vulnerable people continue to be at risk. That is totally unacceptable.

gondola · 22-03-2007, 19:42

In fact, i think residents of Hyndburn ought to take up the issue with the Member Of Parliament. Perhaps they should ask him if he considers it right and proper that a councillor that downplays the significance of a taxi driver assaulting a female passenger, should be part of a committee formalising strategy on community safety.

Let me put it this way. If Mr Dad had a daughter, would he allow her to be escorted by Mr Altaf. And if not, would his view be formed on the basis that it was not safe for them to be so escorted.

Margaret Pilkington · 22-03-2007, 19:46

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Originally Posted by katex

Beg to differ with you for once Margaret.

Katex, I noted that, but I don't construe it as an accusation. To me it looks like stating a fact and then wondering how much disclosure there has been.......not an accusation in my book.

cashman · 22-03-2007, 19:47

i,m with margret on this katex, what you highlighted is a question not an accusation to me. soz,

gondola · 22-03-2007, 19:48

Katex,

For the avoidance of doubt, Mr Dad is well known as a camerman at Asian weddings. Should you wish to test the veracity of this asserion, then perhaps you would care to take a stroll down to the Portland Street Community Centre on any weekend when there is a wedding. Mr Dad will undoubtedly be there, along with his camera equipment.

Now, if that is declared, it is not an issue. I am not saying it is not declared. I merely state that i propose to find out.

katex · 22-03-2007, 19:48

Still can't put it too strongly again however :-

ZERO TOLERANCE, ZERO TOLERANCE, NO OTHER WAY

No pussy footing.

There phew, gonna' have me dinner now.. x

Margaret Pilkington · 22-03-2007, 19:49

spot on Katex.

katex · 22-03-2007, 19:52

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Originally Posted by cashman

i,m with margret on this katex, what you highlighted is a question not an accusation to me. soz,

Well, we will just agree to differ then cashman, looked like an accusation to me !.. even putting out the question is a sort of accusation and puts ideas in people's minds that he is earning monies that may not be declared. Don't really know why he mentioned it in the first place if he had doubts about it being undeclared income.

cashman · 22-03-2007, 20:00

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Originally Posted by katex

Well, we will just agree to differ then cashman, looked like an accusation to me !.. even putting out the question is a sort of accusation and puts ideas in people's minds that he is earning monies that may not be declared. Don't really know why he mentioned it in the first place if he had doubts about it being undeclared income.

the bottom line is -those who voted to re-instate are NOT fit to hold office, and if they are not removed by the leader then anyways fine by me.

gondola · 22-03-2007, 20:10

I note from the local press today, that Councillor Jones asserts that there have been 'mutterings and rumblings' about licensing issues for years. Further, he is said to have indicated that 'Councillor Britcliffe knows there are skeletons in the cupboard'

Perhaps Mr Jones would care to elaborate. Moreover, do such skeletons infer that there are other cases of reinstatement of licences when clearly the facts suggested a decision to the contrary would have been more appropriate.

No point sitting on the fence Mr Jones. Let's have it out.

g jones · 22-03-2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by gondola

I note from the local press today, that Councillor Jones asserts that there have been 'mutterings and rumblings' about licensing issues for years. Further, he is said to have indicated that 'Councillor Britcliffe knows there are skeletons in the cupboard'

Perhaps Mr Jones would care to elaborate. Moreover, do such skeletons infer that there are other cases of reinstatement of licences when clearly the facts suggested a decision to the contrary would have been more appropriate.

No point sitting on the fence Mr Jones. Let's have it out.

Solicitors will pour over every word said, so answering questions about individual cases is obviously a faux pas as you are no doubt aware. I think for the subject to have come so far in to the open has been encouraging.

Gayle · 22-03-2007, 20:36

So Councillors are supposed to represent the people but they aren't actually allowed to tell the people how they're representing us?

gondola · 22-03-2007, 20:43

I think the statement that there are indeed 'skeletons in the cupboard' may in itself be something that could be subject to defamatory process. Thus, since you made it, I suspect that you had sufficient evidence to substantiate your view. However, i appreciate that it may be appropriate not to divulge further yet, for obvious reasons.

As part of his 'urgent review' into the case of Mr Altaf, does Mr Britcliife intend to disclose into the public domain the objective decision making process used by adjudicators to reinstate the licence. If not, then amending the rules is a futile exercise, since as i posted out in my first contribution here, unless the rules are implemented and adhered to there is no purpose in having them.

For me it is not a case of ascertainig if the rules in place were sufficiently robust. I suspect they were. The main thrust in my considered view, is what made adjudicators exercise leniency. Unless, or until we get to the bottom of that aspect of this investigation, there is little purpose in having the investigation in the first place.

Incidentally, I agree that the manner in which this investigation is to be orchestrated is neither fair nor appropriate. It ought to be far more balanced

claytonender · 22-03-2007, 21:04

As citizens of Hyndburn I feel that we should press for the investigation to be carried out by equal numbers of Labour and Tory Councillors, and for the findings to be published, for all to see. I realise that some areas of the procedures will be bound by confidentiality, but we need the investigation to be open and frank.
I am also very concerned by Graham's information the both councillors Allah Dad and Brian Roberts sit on both the Taxi Liaison Committee and the Taxi Licensing Committee. This is akin to running witht he stag and hunting witht he hounds. Also why, when the compostion of Hyndburn Council is 18 Conservative 16 Labour and 1 Independent (who is a Tory in all but name) is there not at least 1 Labour member of the Taxi Liaison Committee. Maybe Peter Britcliffe will give us an answer.

WillowTheWhisp · 22-03-2007, 21:30

I want to know if there are any more dodgy drivers who we haven't heard about.