Did Graham Jones do the right thing? - Page 32

jaysay · 12-05-2012, 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself

From the 'Telegraph' website today:

"Police said they had also launched an investigation into claims constituency MP Graham Jones had intimidated voters."

Police investigate voting in Hyndburn (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Thanks for that yerself I'd missed that

g jones · 12-05-2012, 20:28

I'd make a genuine plea to people posting on this thread.

Please don't say anything that is on the edge of defamatory or defamatory, and therefore libellous. Voter fraud is very serious as is libel law. The latter is expensive and repeating an untruth does not mean your exempt or any less liable - even if said in a newspaper. It is down to the defamed as to whom they seek to pursue damages from.

In a serious matter such as this (or any matter anywhere), if it isn't a fact that you can defend in front of a barrister do not say it is sound advice.

Just to point out why people should be careful. 1. This is clearly not a normal run of the mill issue, it has national implications. 2. There is no anonymity in libel including the net. 3. I have volunteered a statement about canvassing in Woodnook and the Police do not want one. 4. I believe there is only a 3rd party allegation. i.e. someone whom actually did not see the crime they allege. 5. I also believe there are no witnesses to such an alleged crime (because quite frankly it doesn't take Inspector Clueso to work out it is all bogus).

Finally the LT. The Police neither confirmed or denied there was investigation into myself in their statement. We are looking very closely at libel law in this respect. The Accy Ob having looked at this and the wider case chose not to publish it because it was 'unethical' and there speaks an experienced editor not wishing to print something that may well be untrue.

It's the right of every British citizen including Hyndburn Conservatives to hold to account others who make defamatory comments that later prove to be untrue.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

Eric · 12-05-2012, 21:24

I'm confused here

If you don't like what voters are saying, threaten them with litigation

Wonderful attitude to take door to door at election time.

g jones · 12-05-2012, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

I'm confused here

If you don't like what voters are saying, threaten them with litigation

Wonderful attitude to take door to door at election time.

It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.

Eric · 12-05-2012, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones

It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.

Unless it's question period, eh.

If my local NDP candidate made statements such as these, the Greens would be getting at least one more vote ... probably lots more. I have no doubt that folks over there are aware of the law ... but this is politics, not the law. If allegations are false, all well and good. But to threaten ... and however veiled it is, it's a threat ... give it a break.

DaveinGermany · 12-05-2012, 22:24

From what I can gather the only person making any comment that may be construed as defamatory/libellous appears to be "TheFullTruth" as he/she is claiming these incidents happened to a relative of theirs. From out of nowhere they arrive, drop a bombshell then disappears back into the ether.

All other comments are highlighted as originating from other sources such as the local press & not the individual members who post. "warnings/advice" being uttered by Graham do seem to be a touch "intimidating" themselves & as such heighten peoples perspective of the earlier rumours.

Politics is a dirty little game at the best of times in my opinion & you should heed your own "wise words" Graham. Those being highlighted below as a reminder are your very own.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

accyman · 12-05-2012, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones

It is neither legal nor ethical to say things that are untrue that damage the integrity of someone else. The law applies to everyone equally and fairly.

if someone is worried about their integrity perhaps someone should have kept their word on the EU referendum and voted how he said he would.

seen this thread is about if you did the right thing or not over the EU referendum vote and not you been a victim of slander or whatever i thought i would drag this thread back on track

Eric · 12-05-2012, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

From what I can gather the only person making any comment that may be construed as defamatory/libellous appears to be "TheFullTruth" as he/she is claiming these incidents happened to a relative of theirs. From out of nowhere they arrive, drop a bombshell then disappears back into the ether.

All other comments are highlighted as originating from other sources such as the local press & not the individual members who post. "warnings/advice" being uttered by Graham do seem to be a touch "intimidating" themselves & as such heighten peoples perspective of the earlier rumours.

Politics is a dirty little game at the best of times in my opinion & you should heed your own "wise words" Graham. Those being highlighted below as a reminder are your very own.

I know Accy Webbers are well meaning - I just do not want innocent people repeating untruths particularly on such a big issue. Of course if they do there would be an option to persue legal redress by anyone on the receiving end and I would ask Labour voters as well to be as minded as the investigation takes place.

Looks like buddy spends too much time with his lawyer, and not enough time listening to the concerns of his constituents.

Barrie Yates · 13-05-2012, 08:51

Does lying to the public in general also come into the same category?

jaysay · 13-05-2012, 09:25

Well at least he took the time to PM the threat of libel, which is more than he did on the vote on the European Union

Eric · 14-05-2012, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Does lying to the public in general also come into the same category?

Maybe not not exactly lying ... rather: "I always voted at my party's call, and I never thought of thinking for myself at all."

jaysay · 14-05-2012, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

Maybe not not exactly lying ... rather: "I always voted at my party's call, and I never thought of thinking for myself at all."

Yoda Yoda Yoda

maxthecollie · 14-05-2012, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well at least he took the time to PM the threat of libel, which is more than he did on the vote on the European Union

Ditto

jaysay · 14-05-2012, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie

Ditto

Oh he loves you too then

You could just see it couldn't ya, My lud these two defendants in the dock Mr. Max the Collie and Mr Jaysay are guilty of spreading ear say on that infamous Accrington Web about my Client Mr Jones

Less · 14-05-2012, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

Looks like buddy spends too much time with his lawyer, and not enough time listening to the concerns of his constituents.

I have a really witty retort for his veiled threat to we, the innocent members, unfortunately my Solicitor is still checking it for me and I can't ask my M.P.'s advice he's just not answering his 'phone, perhaps someone has upset him?