Chavs

[Ceejache]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I suppose that would be morning sickness, would it?

Seriously though, I have to agree with Darby on this. Over the last forty years or so there has been an appalling drop in standards of behaviour and civility. We have all seen it. The main cause is the dreadful standard of education offered in schools. Kids of my generation were not taught how to behave themselves in public, and they in turn have passed that lack of knowledge on to their children who in turn have passed it on to the current generation of school children. Every generation becomes a little more ignorant, rude, obnoxious, selfish and inconsiderate, until you have todays crop of stalwart citizens whose only thought is for themselves. Who believe that the world owes them a living and who will scream and scream and scream until they make themselves sick if they don't get it. Who do not understand that the good things in life come at the cost of hard work.

Hi A-B...its been a while - hope you are well!

You are spot on saying that people aren't taught how to act in public and that in turn their kids then carry on acting in such an antisocial fashion....however I cant agree that this is because of educational standards in schools. I've seen the job that teachers do in schools and they are excellent professionals carrying out a thankless task faced with uncooperative parents and unbearable legislation. Thirty or even twenty years ago teachers just taught the subjects/curriculum - now they are expected to be surrogate parents basically...or at worst babysitters. Surely the passing on of basic manners and social etiqutte is the domain of the parent...and the lack of parental accountability is the cause of much of what the streets of this country experience on a daily basis. That and the ease of which benefits are made readily available to feckless, workshy morons who aren't fit to look after themselves...nevermind children.

[Acrylic-bob]

Hey Ceejache, good to see you back here, where have you been?

[Ceejache]

Lets just say BT and myself have not been seeing eye to eye on a number of arrangements concerning broadband service reliabilty and cost thereof.....ongoing.....keep well.

[Acrylic-bob]

That sounds like fun - not!

[Acrylic-bob]

This might be an interesting experiment:

Chantelle Chav is sixteen years old. Currently she lives at home on a council estate with her mother and several siblings. Chantelle is just about to leave school, she has no qualifications and can just about manage to read The Sun (reading age 11.). In a few weeks time she will give birth to her first child. The child will be of mixed race, though Chantelle has ended her relationship with her child's father and now has a new boyfriend, Dean.

Dean is seventeen years old and, like Chantelle, left school without qualifications. He is functionally innumerate and illiterate (Dyslexia). He also lives at home with his parents.

Chantelle and Dean have both been before the courts on several occaisions for minor offences and Dean is currently completing a 100 hour Community Service Order for possesion with intent to supply a class B drug.

Chantelle will have to leave home when her baby is born and she would like to set up a home on her own with Dean. Neither of them have a bank account or savings.

What sort of assistance can they expect from society?

[park381]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

This might be an interesting experiment:
What sort of assistance can they expect from society?

Don't know on that one, but there are some interesting facts and figures here about Accrington
http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov....REA=accrington

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Ceejache

You are spot on saying that people aren't taught how to act in public and that in turn their kids then carry on acting in such an antisocial fashion....however I cant agree that this is because of educational standards in schools.

I could not agree more. When was parental responsibilty transferred to schools. Why do some of us blame schools for not teaching children about how to live and act around others. It is and always has been a parents responsibility to guide and mould children into decent law abiding citizens, not schools. They can help but cannot be expected to do it all.

I think the problem is due to the ease with which people can live without having to work. No-one who is capable of working should receive money from the state for nothing! Why are we paying people to sit on there backsides all day doing nothing for society? We have town centres and parks ( look at Rhyddings park ) full of litter and neglected by a Council who claim they have no money to keep the place in good condition.

We have a massive DSS paid workforces doing NOTHING. Lets make use of them.

[garinda]

But when Chantelle and Dean [see A-B's last post] have their lil' babby, who will teach the poor mite social responsibility, when it's quite obvious the parents aren't willing to or able. School should not be a stand in parent, but for a whole generation it's the only constant in their lives, and lf they don't learn more thah the 3R's there [hopefully], society is doomed, doomed, DOOMED...........

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Chantelle will have to leave home when her baby is born and she would like to set up a home on her own with Dean. Neither of them have a bank account or savings.

What sort of assistance can they expect from society?

Why should I be working to support people like this?

There is no need to be pregnant at 16. Granted accidents can happen, there is no 100% safe method ( except not doing it).

Should people unable to support a baby be allowed to keep it?

[Acrylic-bob]

The sad truth of the matter is that Chantelle and Dean, although fictional characters, are becoming more common. Well, it goes without saying that they are common, but what I really meant was that they are a more frequently occuring phenomenon.

[Acrylic-bob]

OK so the Baby Chav has now been born, it is a little girl, 7lb 4oz and Chantelle has decided to name her Britney-Martine. She originally wanted to name the child Britney-J-lo but was persuaded against it at the last minute because she could not decide how it should be spelt.

The government has awarded the child a £500 Child Trust Fund payment (for low-income families with household income at or below the full Child Tax Credit income threshold of £13,480) plus £16.50 per week child allowance.
There is also a Sure Start Maternity Grant payment of £500.
Now Chantelle and Dean must start looking for a home.

To help with the cost of setting up their love nest they have applied to the DSS for an interest free Budgeting Loan of £1000.

[Acrylic-bob]

Fortunately for Chantelle and Dean HBC have offered them a two bedroom council flat.

This will cost the tax payer £3,566.92 pa in Council Tax/Housing Benefit.

[Neil]

Anybody know what the percentage is of people in Hyndburn who get Council tax paid for them, and what this equates to in money?

[Acrylic-bob]

I don't know the percentage but the amount is £26,107,000 for 2005/06

From the census ...

"In August 2000, there were 720 Jobseeker Allowance claimants in Hyndburn of which 31 per cent had child dependants. The Job Seeker Allowance (JSA) is payable to people under pensionable age who are available for, and actively seeking, work of at least 40 hours a week. Figures produced here are those only for people claiming income-based JSA.

Source: Department for Work and Pensions, 2000

In August 2000, there were 6,460 Income Support claimants in Hyndburn, of which 3 per cent were aged under 20. Income support was introduced on April 11th 1988 and can be paid to a person who is aged 16 and over, is not working 16 hours or more a week, and has less money coming in than the law says they need to live on.

Source: Department for Work and Pensions, 2000"

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I don't know the percentage but the amount is £26,107,000 for 2005/06

WOW - that can't just be the amount of council tax benefits, can it?
Or is it the total of all benefits pain in Hyndburn?