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It's park 381 for a starter ok.and you are right about the thread title,
Second I did not accuse you of not reading the thread from the start, just requested that you read it, if you had not already done so.
With regards to living close, I don't bet, but I do know that I am affected by this, in so much that whilst the current situation of parking exists in the top section of rhyddings street, myself, family and neighbours are at serious risk due to the possible delay in emergency services gaining access to where we live, be it a major fire or a health problem.For your information it took an ambulance 25mins to gain access recently, and that was to attend to a lady with a serious heart condition.
You final comment regarding this thread, yes I did start the thread, but it's open to all there is no "boss" as you say, only the moderators of the board, who do an excellent job in keeping this board acceptable to all.

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Lets not argue about trivialities, what has been said is there for all to read..

But your and MY issue about emergency access to Park lane is nothing to do with "widening rhyddings st" Access to Park lane is from Fielding lane or Hawthorn ave, both much better and wider access than rhyddings st.

If you talk to any paramedic(which I have). As soon as they get close to an emergency they grab there bag and use there legs. Much faster once close. They would not sit in there Ambulance waiting 25 mins to get within 30ft. That is why there is a driver and paramedic. (yes I know the driver is a paramedic as well).

Imagine if you live in a large property on the east wing 300ft away from the main entrance let alone car parking space???

Our problem on Park lane has nothing to do with rhyddings st. But that does not mean it is not a problem. I personally have NO worries about Ambulances due to my reasurance's from my paramedic friend.. Now the Fire Engine is a slightly worse situation. But yet again they are equiped with long hoses etc.

Accessing Park lane from rhyddings st involves turning into either, lord st then hornby st then rhyddings st then park lane. Or turning into hornby st then rhyddings st then park lane.All very tight corners with badly parked vehicles on them.
Much easier and wiser for an emergency vehicle too turn directly in park lane from fielding lane?????? And exit through hawthorn ave..:)

This is as usual a PARKING issue being dressed up as a health and safety issue.

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I agree totally chloe. The access to Park Lane is a Park Lane problem not a Rhyddings Street problem.

I am assuming you live near Rhyddings Street not Fielding Lane park381. What about people past the half way mark and closer to Fielding Lane. The ambulance would not need to use Rhyddings Street at all for them.

You refer to someone with a heart condition - was this not a lady on Rhyddings Street or was that a seperate issue that the council quoted when they called the last meeting at the Civic Theatre.

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Having been involved with the last emergency, that was the lady with the heart condition, the driver of the ambulance just said, from the fielding lane end......no way can't get on that way, from hawthorne ave. just the same, so the only access is via rhyddings street. the ambulance did actually get up rhyddings street, but reversed on to park lane.
As for the fire engine, have only once experienced the problem, and it was a long time ago, more years than I would care to remember. A Ms Powel ex headteacher of Green Haworth school, a lovely old lady had left a pressure cooker full of peas, yes peas on the cooker, and it exploded, next thing the fire bells, yes 2 of them, 1 from fielding lane, and 1 from the top of rhyddings st. Since then touch wood the fire brigade have not had to try and pass parked cars.
On your final comment it is a health and safety issue related to a parking issue, take the gent who broke his ankle(a bad break, bones exposed) in the park, which way did the ambulance come, up rhyddings street.

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Why all the huge quotes??? I can read it first time. ??

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On more than one occasion i have seen a light blue transit van come from Park Lane and drive down the footpath on Rhyddings Street because he could not fit between the parked cars. In an emergency an ambulance could do the same, not too unsafe for the rare occasions needed. The problem is what the ambulance does when it gets to the top. It cant fit down Park Lane so that is the real problem. Leave my street alone and sort out your own park381

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The access to park lane, is a problem if rhyddings street is blocked due to cars double parked as per previous posts.
The heart conditon lady, I have already posted about that it was a recent issue, the other one on rhyddings street was a lady with a broken hip, and the ambulance had problems of access.

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Parc381.. I am comfused as to how much better it is to come from rhyddings st???

As Chloe l has quite rightly said it is much better access from the 2 main rds at each end of park lane.

If you look down park lane the clearance for driving down is the same all the way down it entire length... So if a vehicle can access from rhyddings st.. it can access from fielding lane or hawthorn ave.. just the same width but easier to turn in..:)

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Parc I know the problem of quotes, I see people part quoting from a persons post.. but I can not work out how :(

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So you are still trying to blame Rhyddings Street for the fact that Park Lane is too narrow for an ambulance. It is your road causing your problem not my road.

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I know this is off-topic but the query is in this thread so I hope you'll bear with me.

All you do is pick up the quote in the usual way and then when you've got it in your post just highlight and delete the bits you don't require.

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I think Simon meant like this

so you can

add your own bits

between other quotes.

One way is to copy the whole quote then paste it in a few times and delete what you dont need from each quote leaving just the bits you want

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I have done that also - its hard to show the tags for the expaination unless you show the end one first

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Getting back to the plot. I'd have thought that the safety of the residents of all the streets in the area should be of more importance than anything else.

I was thinking the same thing this weekend in Blackburn when we passed an estate where access seemd to be by footpath only. There must be roads into it somewhere but surely it makes access more difficult for emergency vehicles. It's all very well having an "I'm alright Jack" attitude if your road is OK but that's a bit selfish - I could be like that because I'm on a bus route so emergency vehicles have no access problems here but ambulances have a problem in Ormerod Street with all the road humps.

Couldn't there be some sort of compromise? Would it be possible to have bits of verge and bits of paving and keep the trees as is?

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What solution and straight thinking can be easily thought through to widening Park lane?????

I would love it to be so easy, and convienient for us all.. but on this one, the truth of the matter is that, as these and lots of other property's in this area where here long before the cars. So making allowances for all our cars outside OUR front doors, is not gonna happen.
WE have to accept the car and our thinking toward our RIGHTS(to park where I want) is the problem. As has been stated park away and walk home. If safety was such a large worry do your own bit and dont block park lane or rhyddings st..

As stated by our local councillors " If we are pushed too hard on this, yellow lines will be the only option"...Anyone got a 3inch brush ;)

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It would give only 10 spaces. Last night at 2am there were only 9 cars parked. Parking on one side only gives 8 spaces. You can't keep the trees and put in parking bays. The trees would have to be removed to create the bays because the roots would be destroyed. The cost for creating the bays would be high ( much higher than the £8000 mentioned in the Observer). The council suggested it, but had no costing or even plan of the scheme to show us residents. At the end of the financial year the allocated money will be clawed back by the council anyway. There was never any chance of parking bays anyway. The council just played lip service to residents to try and keep voters sweet. PB stated that the problem has been ongoing since before he was a cllr - to some of you that must appear to be for ever.

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I have 2 3" brushes. Now all we need is a 4" block of wood as a spacer, a brush handle to save us bending down and some tape to fasten it all together. I am a bit short of yellow paint, will green do ( the same colour as the stripes on the parkwise wardens hats )

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Not bad thinking that simon.
But the Observer article that was the reason for this thread in the first place included a quote from Cllr W that "the widening of rhyddings street would allow residents to park in front of their own front doors and allow access for emergency vehicles" You and I know that's not likely to happen, so...........yep just found a 3" brush ;)

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Well thats 3 of us just need a dry day... and :)

We would be shot by our own neighbours...Anyone got 3 bullet proof vests ;)

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The widening of Rhyddings St,how about the up keep.Like alot of roads in Hyndburn it is rapidly deteriorating,no excuses for the councillors their neither,as worst bits right outside Ossy Con.Which I know some do frequent.........

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I would be very surprised if anyone said anything at all. Not to our faces anyway.

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Here are some pictures of the state the verges were in due to parking and council neglect before the referbishment work was carried out.

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After a bad night l managed an hours sleep. Did l dream of deserted beaches, hanky panky? No, l dreamt of this bleedin' thread! Do l need a life?

Parking in this area along with lots of other streets that were layed down before the rise of car ownership. l know people in this area that have been in the area for over 40 years, when there were fewer cars. But l can't help comparing it to people that live in City centres and hate the noise, or those that live in the country and hate animal sounds/ smells.
Lots [not all] have made a choice about were they live, and the choice is theirs, parking is going to become more difficult in time. People could move to houses [newer] with allocated parking, but it wouldn't be half as beautiful,

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Yes :rolleyes:

Thats the exact reason why it should be mantained in its present state and not turned into some block paved town center trying to look authentic. The trees and verges have been here longer than any of the residents ( as far as I am aware ).

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I have no objection to that, but what is the answer?
On the length of time the verges and trees have been there, have seen old photos of that section including the park gates, and yes the verges and trees were there.

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I thought we had almost agreed to an answer for Rhyddings Street - its long and yellow and comes in pairs. Now the next big debate - which side shall we paint? :bangh8:

Its the Park Lane access that is the bigger problem.

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HeHe, I'll leave that one to you, you'll know the neighbours better :D but give me a shout when it's sorted, got my 3" brush ready
Always has been, when we first moved here there was'nt the same number of cars & trany vans parked every where :)

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I really dislike a certain property with a hedge over hanging the wall onto the footpath and there cars parked on the footpath as well. The next time my lad scratches his face on the hedge as we try and squeeze past between it and the cars, I will be contacting the police/council/god/local vigilante

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Good idea that, the cars shouldn't be on the footpath in the first place, are they not overspill from rhyddings st :confused: , tis a not do according to the highway code, they are also parked near to a road junction. Have a look at this
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.shtml#213
:) :)

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No mate I know the Rhyddings cars ( see above photos ). Top corner house.

Nice highway code link thanks its just what I was after

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Rhyddings overspill park on Hornby. In fact a few Rhyddings residents usually park on Hornby - it's cheaper in door mirrors.

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;) Know what you mean ;)

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I will tell you something about all the Grass Verge meetings that will make you smile. One of the most vocal about it does not even own a car

:hehetable

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Yes. There are all sorts of rules the council dont enforce especially as we are in a conservation area. I am yet to understand what they are conserving. Most people I think dont know what it means. You cant cut down trees, or structually change the appearance of the front of the property. Cant add a velux window on front facing roofs.

I heard about the council contacting a neighbour who had cut down some trees but they did nothing. I removed some bushes from my garden when I first moved in but had no idea of the rules. You would think you would be informed as a new owner.

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would narrowing it be cheaper, and save cash?

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Anything would cost more money than the council are ever likely to spend. Maybe its time to get that nice lady from the Observer round again, it woke up a few people last time. LOL

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This is what really anoys me.

People parking on the grass when the street is almost empty.

Her excuse "sorry I didn't know".

If you cant read the road signs you should not be driving.

Who says the older generation are more courteous?

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Bet she's a regular visitor as well, :eek:
Nice to see you blanked out the number plate ;)

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erm touch of big foot in mouth to be honest. Visiting a neighbour. I have blanked out number plates on all the pictures I posted. Not that the Police or Community Wardens ( for what they are worth, if anything ) would do anything anyway

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She DOES know I told her yesterday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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One thing I hate more than people's ignorance to others is being Lied too !!!!!!!

Why is society turning into one that believes in " I am alright Joe so stuff you "?

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Trust me on this one - he does :D

And if you have the misfortune to be looking towards his upstairs front window, he can occasionally be seen dressed that way as well.

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You supplied the proof that that the park wall can be moved. It has been moved before :D.

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So if the park can be moved enough for a row of houses it can be moved a few feet for safety

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Ay that's true, we'll put that forward to our area council, sure they'll find the money from some where.
We could get the main gates repaired at the same time, then cars could drive in there, on that one there was a car in the park yesterday about 3:30pm, was up at the top end.:D

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Did you see the photo on ossygobbin pic site, looking up Fielding Lane, about 1910, it shows what is now the end of Park Lane?

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No, not able to find that one. But have a look at this, a view from the park down rhyddings street, note the gable end on the left and the missing house which would be the first one on park lane.
http://www.ossygobbin2003.fotopic.net/p4579133.html

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does it make any difference if you have a car or not , or are you trying to say if you don't own a car you have not got an opinion. Even if you live on the street.

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No not at all, every resident living on "the street" car owner or not should have a say in what goes on, with regards to any alterations to footpaths or grass verges on "the street"

http://www.ossygobbin2003.fotopic.net/p4579133.html Just have a look at the photo in the link, think you will find it interesting, a very old photo showing the grass verges and trees in rhyddings street, they have been there a very long time.

There is an Ossy area council meeting on Tuesday 12th april at ossy town hall, on the agenda
is "Facilities for youngsters" (page 23 this weeks observer) This may have some effect on the park. If additional facilities are placed in the park, there may be an even bigger problem parking.:confused:

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Looks like this is not gonna happen as suspected, The end of the tax year has come and gone, and the money will be allocated somewhere else......

Just wish they would actually cut the new grass...... or it will very soon look a mess...:(

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I have been informed that the curb stones have arrived and are being put down.

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Yet another lie by two of our Councillors.
We were told they would use the same stone as what is there already.
The stone that has been ordered is genuine authenic Oswaldtwistle india stone.
This is supposed to be a conservation area.

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Park381 - I think you will find that the Area Council are not bothering about planning permission.
They have just ordered the stone and booked a contractor to do the work.

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Neil what stone is it???

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Indian Stone. As in from India.

It has been ordered but the gent in the highways department did not think it had been delivered yet to the contractors. I am waiting for him to phone me with some more information.

I will explain more if I see you later.

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residents should not be cutting the grass theirselves this should be done by the council workers.

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Your beloved Cllr Britcliffe himself said that he could not see the problem with residents cutting the grass.
He also said at the meeting we were all at that they would use reclaimed stone to match the original kerb stones.

Why do you think we should not cut the grass?
HBC don't bother to do it themselves.

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Can not understand the mind set of people that would rather live in scruffy enviroment, than just going out and doing your bit for the local area .... cutting neglected grass or picking up litter......

Lets face it if we just sat back and moaned about all that the council is failing to do, We would get very SAD and still have the problem...

If everybody had more pride and concern about there locality, perhaps we could stop the rot......

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Point taken Uncle Simon :rolleyes:.

Neil has gone outside to sweep the footpath outside his house.

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I will let Simon answer that one.

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I asked Natalie this morning and she pointed out she could not !!!!!

So rather than let the place get worse..................

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Looking at your avatar teeth simon it looks like you could eat the grass not cut it :D

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Why do you think it is SO neatly cut :)

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To be honest it looks better when a certain AccyWeb member cuts it anyway

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lf people want to cut the grass it's up to them.

l agree with Simon, we have to be proactive.

l've just been out in my street because a load of rubbish had blown in. lf l had waited for the council guy to sweep it up on his fortnightly visit it would have blown onto the nature reserve, and chocolate wrappers doesn't make very good nesting material. l know l've tried it. :)

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Re: Conservation areas.

Don't you think its' odd. You lot are in it. My house is older and isn't it. The top half of Union Road isn't, yet the bit across from the Town Hall is, but only one side!?

What is the rationale behind the siting of conservation areas me wonders?

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I am surprised you know where the conservation area is - most people don't.
The semi's on Hornby Street are not in it either.

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You know me well enough by now!

l know a lot, and what l don't know l'll make up. :)

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I have a map of the conservation area somewhere. If I can find it I will post it.

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Does it? I am looking for it now.

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That looks like it yes. I can't find mine :(