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park381 23-04-2005 18:01
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What exactly do Cllrs Britcliffe & Walmsley plan to do at the top of rhyddings street, are they creating parking bays and retaining the trees, or are the trees to be removed and the kurb moved back to the flagged edge thus widening the street or what.

The reason I ask is because the fact that rhyddings street is in the conservation area, protects the trees on the street. If they plan to remove the trees, they will need to give the planning authority 6 weeks notice before starting any work :confused:

SHE 23-04-2005 18:09
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They have no intension of removing the trees they are putting the kirb stones next to the ones that are already there. ie: on the grass.

park381 23-04-2005 18:19
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Originally Posted by SHE
They have no intension of removing the trees they are putting the kirb stones next to the ones that are already there. ie: on the grass.
So the new kurb stones will stand above the existing ones making it impossible to park on the grass ? or will they be at the same level, in any event they are making the grass verges narrower. An all that is going to cost £8,000, wow wish I was a contractor doing the job............good profits to be made eh!!!! It would'nt be a local building contractor doing the job by any chance ;)

SHE 23-04-2005 18:25
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They will be the same level as the others. Yes the grass verges will be narrower.

park381 23-04-2005 18:38
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Originally Posted by SHE
They will be the same level as the others. Yes the grass verges will be narrower.
If this is done from top to bottom each side, will it not damage the tree roots causing problems with the trees? could result in a double line of dead trees Oh dear!! what will the planning people have to say to that. Cllrs B & W could be in trouble :eek:

Neil 23-04-2005 19:22
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You guessed it mate. There is no way they can dip deep enough - about 12" below the bottom of the stones without destroying the roots.

park381 23-04-2005 19:40
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Originally Posted by Neil
You guessed it mate. There is no way they can dip deep enough - about 12" below the bottom of the stones without destroying the roots.
To quote The Rhyddings Conservation Area document, issued by HBC.
"Trees in a conservation area are protected by that act. Ay person wishing to cut down, top, lop, uproot, wilfully damage or wilfully destroy any tree in a conservation area must give the district council six weeks notice of his/here intention of doing so. The purpose of this provision is to give the local planning authority a final opportunity to make a Tree Preservation Order before the work is carried out. If the work has begun without due notice the person concerned is liable to penalties"

Neil 24-04-2005 08:51
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DOn't forget HBC think they can do what they want when they want.

park381 24-04-2005 16:58
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Originally Posted by Neil
DOn't forget HBC think they can do what they want when they want.
Add Cllrs B & W to that ;)

Cougarslair 29-04-2005 18:42
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Originally Posted by Neil
I thought we had almost agreed to an answer for Rhyddings Street - its long and yellow and comes in pairs. Now the next big debate - which side shall we paint? :bangh8:
Just found out about this forum and had to add my twopenneth as they used to say... (sorry folks but this is gonna be a long one)

First:
Parking has been an issue here for many, many years, and long before many of the residents who currently live on the street arrived.
This is the 21st century, the vast majority of us need & use cars, and yet we live in areas developed in the 19th Century. We are stuck with narrow streets all over Lancashire so are we saying that double yellow lines should be used on the majority of streets?

I understand that on the grounds of access up and down for emergency vehicles it may sound a good idea, but on the other hand if Health & Safety is the ultimate issue then conservation, and how nice the grass and trees may look is irrelevant and they should be removed and the road made that much wider.

Now I am not saying they should be removed, quite the opposite, I think they add real character and charm to what would otherwise be just another row of terraced houses. (especially now the trees are in blossom - except the two replacements that have blossomed before the others!!! Welll done the council for putting in the wrong type:rolleyes: )


Back to Double yellow lines:
  1. On one side only - how much aggravation will that cause! Arguments over which side will they be on, people competing to park their cars on the street before anyone else, etc etc. Only a partial solution I feel, as this debate would continue to rage.
  2. On both sides:
    • Where would all the cars (up to a dozen or so) that currently park there move to?
    • Imagine 12 more cars vying for space outside the end houses of Rhyddings and on Hornby street... Wont this affect more people than it does currently and create more anger and frustration?
  3. If double yellow lines are placed on Rhyddings street, shouldn't they also be placed on Park Lane? Now, how many people would that mean are driving around the area trying to park their cars!! Doesnt bear thinking about.
  4. Affect on housing values - it WILL put some people off buying on this street. I believe as the situation currently stands, it puts people off. Yellow lines will be more detrimental to our house values.
  5. It could be argued that yellow lines should also be placed on Hornby street as its dangerous for kids coming out between all the parked cars... we could go on, and on...


For some people who seem obsessed about this issue who live at the ends of Rhyddings street, double yellow lines may be a fine proposal in theory, as they will still be able to park outside their homes (that is until a resident of Rhyddings street beats them to it!!).

The decision to add an extra layer of narrow kerb stones to allow the cars to park on, is what it was said to be at the meeting - a compromise. It is not ideal at all, but surely its better than the major disruption and anger that yellow lines would cause (affecting not just Rhyddings street but the surrounding area), it also allows residents to keep their beloved trees.

Are the trees really going to be so damaged that will ALL die off - I'm no expert but you are not surrounding the trees fully with stone blocks surely there will be enough root coverage remaining for them to survive?? How do trees in the middle of pedestrianised areas survive?? Im asking because I dont know, but it must be a surmountable problem.

The legality of parking on the narrow kerb stones wont be an issue for the council and law authorities, because the cars are not, and would not, be parked on the actual walkway.
Okay I'm gonna move on (nearly done you'll be pleased to know ;) )

Second:

Mowing the grass on the street.

I must say I agree with `She` on this one - it should be down to the council to sort it out.

Its very nice that some residents mow the grass, but its only in a limited area and this makes some sections look better than others. So why dont we all mow the grass??
  1. How many terraced house residents actually own a lawnmower???
  2. How much of the grass should I mow before I'm encroaching on my neighbours patch? (ridiculous statement you may think but its what people are like)
Now shockingly I don't own a lawnmower because I don't have a lawn!! Surprise that one eh!
So, do I go out and buy a lawnmower to mow say a 20 foot by 2 foot strip of grass that isnt even owned by me??
And why do we pay all that money in poll tax if i have to do it myself.

I agree we should take pride in the area and help keep the area tidy, but the council must also do its bit (supply a communal lawnmower and ask for volunteers eh? lol...)

Thats me done.
Thanks for staying the distance :D

park381 29-04-2005 18:57
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I'll not quote that one or will be in trouble with the mods for taking up to much server space, but wow you must be well out of breath after that. I will only add one comment "conservation area" I think the yellow lines were thoughts of a few of us on here, we all have 3" brushes at the ready, and I think someone has a template, but self preservation got the better of us, cause none of us wanted arrows, knives or whatever in the back.Your post long but understandable ;)

Cougarslair 29-04-2005 19:21
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Yep quoting it might not be a good idea! lol.

I understand the conservation area aspect, but we also have to consider that these days the majority have cars and if we cannot park on Rhyddings street just where do we go??

What about those that need their cars at the door and cannot physically walk any distance to park elsewhere? What do they do?

Give me a real alternative within walking distance, that wont have me taking another persons parking place outside their house and I'll consider it. Im not one that insists I must park outside my house, but I need an alternative. If I could park elsewhere I wouldnt have to move my car every time a delivery van or works van cannot get up the street (but at least I'm willing to do it which is more than some do & and I dont leave my car sat outside my house with no one to move it if I go away on holiday!)

Also are the paving slabs that were laid into the grass after the recent renovation in keeping with a conservation area? If that is acceptable why not an extra layer of narrow kerb - after all it retains the grass & trees.

At the end of the day I dont actually expect anything to change, I think the parking will just keep getting talked about with nothing being done by the council - it'd be nice if they actually made a decision, told us about it, and then actually did it, whether its double yellows, "widening" the road or doing nothing.

Think Id better lie down now after all this typing (phew!):)

park381 29-04-2005 19:48
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It's not the one car per house that causes the problems, but the 2 or 3 cars the family own.
That I think is the major problem.

Neil 30-04-2005 15:50
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I am sorry that I have quoted so much in this post (you did say you have plenty of sever capacity Roy :) ) but I thought it would make more sense if I did.

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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
are we saying that double yellow lines should be used on the majority of streets?
No. Only where irresponsible parking causes a problem/hazard for other road users/residents.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
especially now the trees are in blossom - except the two replacements that have blossomed before the others!!! Welll done the council for putting in the wrong type
There where 4 replacements planted last year.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
Back to Double yellow lines....................people competing to park their cars on the street before anyone else
When the kerbs are widened there will be space for 10 cars. 6 tres up either side make 5 gaps on either side. You can park 8 easily on one side, 9 if people park carefully. So we are only talking about 1 or 2 spaces different.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
For some people who seem obsessed about this issue who live at the ends of Rhyddings street
This is starting to look like a personal attack on me. Not very friendly for a first post.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
The decision to add an extra layer of narrow kerb stones to allow the cars to park on, is what it was said to be at the meeting - a compromise.
From this I am not sure if you actually know what is being done. The council have ordered some India stone which I am told will match the original. The extra kerb will only be inbetween the trees. I think it will look stupid with the kerb changing width all the way up the street.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
Are the trees really going to be so damaged that will ALL die off
It is highly likely that the trees will die. Craig Horabin - the parks and open spaces manager - stated that our type of tree are very sensitive and wont take well to having roots damaged.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
How do trees in the middle of pedestrianised areas survive?? Im asking because I dont know, but it must be a surmountable problem.
As the pedestrian area is construction a large tree pit is dug to give the tree amble root space. Craig stated that this is not possible with the road on one side and footpath on the other without starting to dig up both.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
The legality of parking on the narrow kerb stones wont be an issue for the council and law authorities, because the cars are not, and would not, be parked on the actual walkway.
John Scofield - Head of Enginering Services at HBC - is fully aware that it is illegal to drive on the kerb, yes the offence is driving on the kerb not parking on it. When I asked him why HBC will be asking residents to park on the kerb he said "we are not asking you to park on the kerb". I will let you read into that what you like.
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Mowing the grass on the street. I must say I agree with `She` on this one - it should be down to the council to sort it out.
I agree also. It is a shame that the council don't do it isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
Its very nice that some residents mow the grass, but its only in a limited area and this makes some sections look better than others.
I think if you look at the verges you will see that they are very even looking. The resident in question mowed the full length of both verges last week. If you read the thread fully you will see mention of it.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
What about those that need their cars at the door and cannot physically walk any distance to park elsewhere? What do they do?
I don't think this applies at the moment, does it?
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
Also are the paving slabs that were laid into the grass after the recent renovation in keeping with a conservation area?
No they are not. That was another of Peter Britcliffe's idea. Need I say more.
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Originally Posted by Cougarslair
If that is acceptable why not an extra layer of narrow kerb - after all it retains the grass & trees.
That is also not acceptable, as I stated earlier it will look stupid. Mick Stanworth - the highways engineer responsible for the work - said they will have to excavate at least 12" below the bottom of the new stones. This will cause massive damage to the tree roots.

Cougarslair, why don't you identify yourself so we can have a sensible discussion about these kerb stones. I have looked into it in depth and know what damage will be caused. If you think the roots wont be just look how the roots have lifted the current kerbstones on the top left hand side as you walk up the street.

park381 30-04-2005 16:02
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Wow, Neil did you stay up all night thinking of those replies,all very well thought out and true, well done mate.........we'll finish up using the 3" paint brushes yet Lol;)

park381 30-04-2005 16:11
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Another small point in all these parking problems is the fact that HBC have applied for a £1M grant for the park. If this project gets off the ground and the work gets done, the park will become an even bigger attraction and thus increase the traffic in the area, again adding to the present parking problems for the area.

Neil 30-04-2005 17:34
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It certainly will increase traffic. I thought that at the area meeting but bit my lip about mentioning it. I am all in favour of the park refurb so did not want to say anything against it.

As far as thinking up my replies, I don't need to think about it. I have discussed the matter with half a dozen council employees, been to all the relevant area council and special residents meetings. I have even had a private meeting with Peter Britcliffe and Brian Walmsley in Peter's office. Its not true about Peters office by the way. Contrary to popular opinion on this forum there is not a burnt patch above his chair from all the hot air :D.

I have spoken to architects, tree experts, the Police and even the Fire Bridage enquiring about the size of fire engines. I don't need to dream up replies, I know the facts. An interesting fact for you.
Mick Stanworth, the HBC traffic department design chap, stated that you will probably get an ambulance up the street with cars parked on the wide kerbs but not a fire engine. Probably, that sounds promising I told him. When I asked him if he had the street, car and ambulance dimensions, he didn't.
It is the total lack of design and planned that concerns me most. They put horrible flags as crossing places in the grass last year. The idea is good, the materials and positon is not. They are not opposite each other so you have to cross the road diagonally. I must send John Scofield a copy of the green cross code.

PurpleLass 30-04-2005 17:45
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Perhaps part of the refurb includes a parking area within the grounds. If it doesn't perhaps it should - I would suggest that it is near the top, possibly in place of the old tennis courts ! That way it would draw the increase in traffic up Fielding Lane or Hawthorn Ave instead of Rhyddings St and it would save parking on Rhyddings St and Park Lane for residents.

park381 30-04-2005 18:21
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Originally Posted by Neil
It certainly will increase traffic. I thought that at the area meeting but bit my lip about mentioning it. I am all in favour of the park refurb so did not want to say anything against it.
Exactly, that's why I said nothing at the same area meeting, yes the park does need an injection of cash. As far as the britcliffe / walmsley folly, I think you could put that under the heading of "It was a good idea at the time" The fire brigade I don't have a problem with, they would get up the street if needed, parked cars or no parked cars. Heavy bit of kit a fire engine.

Neil 01-05-2005 08:20
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Originally Posted by park381
Heavy bit of kit a fire engine.
I would be ok then. I almost never park on Rhyddings Street, its far to narrow to park on both sides you know. I cant understand people who park on there when ther is already a car opposite. It is like asking for someone to knock of your door mirror or worse.

Gayle 01-05-2005 11:12
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Did you know that there are plans to set up a group called Friends of Rhyddings Park. The idea behind this group is much like Friends of Arden Hall. Local residents and interested parties get together to work out how best to spend the money and what action needs to be taken to regenerate the area. It is seriously worth being involved in this type of group and as soon as I know the date I'll let you all know, it's likely to be June sometime from what I understand. It's not a them and us situation, it's an us and us situation. I'm going to go to the first meeting because I use the park a lot with my kids.

Neil 01-05-2005 16:15
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It was mentioned at the Area Council Meeting, did you attend? Please do let us know about the meeting.

removal-man 02-05-2005 07:32
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Originally Posted by Neil
It was mentioned at the Area Council Meeting, did you attend? Please do let us know about the meeting.
why would i attend? i live in rishton and would need sat nav to find rhyddings street. why arnt they making it narrower?

garinda 02-05-2005 07:42
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Freinds of Rhyddings Park is a great idea, just as the Neighbourhood watch is.

Please keep us informed Gayle, as l for one would be ready, willing and able to be involved.

The more we take responsibility for our environment and are proactive in it's upkeep the better.

removal-man 02-05-2005 07:57
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Originally Posted by garinda
Freinds of Rhyddings Park is a great idea, just as the Neighbourhood watch is.

Please keep us informed Gayle, as l for one would be ready, willing and able to be involved.

The more we take responsibility for our environment and are proactive in it's upkeep the better.
you could call it Access Rhyddings Street Everyone

Neil 02-05-2005 09:43
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Originally Posted by removal-man
you could call it Access Rhyddings Street Everyone
I like that one mate. If you saw the way some people park here ( mainly non residents going to the park ) you would know that it fits well.

simon 05-05-2005 21:59
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Here are a couple of pics of the trees that the council are going to SEVERLY damage/KILL If they cut into the roots to install these stones....

garinda 05-05-2005 22:09
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With the cherry blossom out Rhyddings Street looks almost nice enough to live on, pity about the parking!

Seriously, great pictures showing the beauty of the avenue of trees.

If they do damage them what are they going to do, replace them with saplings that will take 30 years to mature if they're not snapped by the vandals first?

park381 08-05-2005 17:50
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Originally Posted by garinda
If they do damage them what are they going to do, replace them with saplings that will take 30 years to mature if they're not snapped by the vandals first?
No, someone should contact the planning section to make sure there are preservation orders on the trees, before any work starts. I don't think there is any way of doing what "they" are trying to do without damaging the trees.

Graham Jones 08-05-2005 23:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle Knight
Did you know that there are plans to set up a group called Friends of Rhyddings Park. The idea behind this group is much like Friends of Arden Hall. Local residents and interested parties get together to work out how best to spend the money and what action needs to be taken to regenerate the area. It is seriously worth being involved in this type of group and as soon as I know the date I'll let you all know, it's likely to be June sometime from what I understand. It's not a them and us situation, it's an us and us situation. I'm going to go to the first meeting because I use the park a lot with my kids.
Let us know and we'll come along and help get you going with some good pointers if you are interested. We are doing very well. We have had to extend the committee to 14 plus numerous co-optees and public meetings attract about 40-50. It would be great to see a FoRP up and running and I am sure it will be a success. The FoAH have also initiated a Green Spaces Forum for all the 'Friends of' to meet up and work together.

park381 09-05-2005 06:58
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Was the idea of the Heritage Grant not to restore the park to a state of "as it used to be", and involving the local residents was that not a condition of the grant set by the heritage lottery people.

The park as it is
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/t...hich-park.html

garinda 09-05-2005 09:01
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With the Heritage Grant supposedly to restore the park to it's former glory, perhaps they are going to rebuild the Hall and turn it into a private residence?

A much more fitting seat for P.B. than up New Lane?

park381 09-05-2005 11:22
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Originally Posted by garinda
With the Heritage Grant supposedly to restore the park to it's former glory, perhaps they are going to rebuild the Hall and turn it into a private residence?

A much more fitting seat for P.B. than up New Lane?
It would be very nice to see the hall rebuilt as it was, but I think that would cost far more than the £1M grant available

SHE 23-06-2005 20:44
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The stone are now down and they look a mess. I still think cobbles would have looked better but I was out voted, and I think they would be cheeper

park381 23-06-2005 21:13
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Originally Posted by SHE
The stone are now down and they look a mess. I still think cobbles would have looked better but I was out voted, and I think they would be cheeper
Is there any chance of a photo of the mess, I no longer need to use rhyddings street, but am still interested in the outcome of the alterations

Neil 24-06-2005 21:28
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Originally Posted by SHE
The stone are now down and they look a mess. I still think cobbles would have looked better but I was out voted, and I think they would be cheeper
The vote was to put cobbles down and loose the grass or to save the grass. As you say the vote went to keep the grass.

Then Councillor Brian Walmsley made a suggestion. It was to add an extra 9" kerb stone inbetween the trees so that cars could park on the now wider kerb. He was told by the Police Inspector present that it was illegal to park on the kerb but Cllr Walmsley does not appear interested in the law and the suggestion was voted on. I can remember you (SHE) voting yes for this so you only have yourself to blame. You are correct it does look a mess. You voted for it so you must take a shared responsibility for the mess. As far as I can remember there was only one person who voted no. Looking at the mess Cllr Walmsley has inflicted on us I feel good knowing that I voted NO.

On Wednesday night I suggested to him ( he also stated it looked a mess ) that now would be a good time for him to hold up his hand and admit he had made a mistake. Unfortunately he does not have what it takes to admit he was wrong and appologise to the residents for his mistake and restore the street to its former state.

The saga continues..............

park381 25-06-2005 07:05
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I think PB should share some of the blame, he was also involved in the plan, why not take some photo's and send them to the observer with the caption "Look what the Cllr's have done to our street" am sure they could make a good news article out of it.

garinda 25-06-2005 10:11
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War/famine/politics?

No, the longest thread in history- Rhyddings Street parking!!

Come on purleasee, let's have a new thread.

Mini bike terrorists on the balling green?

park381 25-06-2005 14:00
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Originally Posted by garinda
War/famine/politics?

No, the longest thread in history- Rhyddings Street parking!!

Come on purleasee, let's have a new thread.

Mini bike terrorists on the balling green?
Hey, I'm looking to you to provide me with information on "Ossy" now that I've moved to a new tree a long way from the park. ;)

SHE 25-06-2005 16:04
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Originally Posted by Neil
The vote was to put cobbles down and loose the grass or to save the grass. As you say the vote went to keep the grass.

Then Councillor Brian Walmsley made a suggestion. It was to add an extra 9" kerb stone inbetween the trees so that cars could park on the now wider kerb. He was told by the Police Inspector present that it was illegal to park on the kerb but Cllr Walmsley does not appear interested in the law and the suggestion was voted on. I can remember you (SHE) voting yes for this so you only have yourself to blame. You are correct it does look a mess. You voted for it so you must take a shared responsibility for the mess. As far as I can remember there was only one person who voted no. Looking at the mess Cllr Walmsley has inflicted on us I feel good knowing that I voted NO.

On Wednesday night I suggested to him ( he also stated it looked a mess ) that now would be a good time for him to hold up his hand and admit he had made a mistake. Unfortunately he does not have what it takes to admit he was wrong and appologise to the residents for his mistake and restore the street to its former state.

The saga continues..............
Im sorry neil but I did not vote for the kerbs I was the one that wanted the cobbles but was told it would be to expensive to do. I was not bothered about loosing the grass but wanted to keep the trees.

WillowTheWhisp 25-06-2005 17:29
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Anybody photographed the mess yet?

I shouldn't have thought damaging trees worried the council considering they seem to periodically chop decent beutiful trees down and replace them with saplings.

park381 25-06-2005 21:01
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Anybody photographed the mess yet?

I shouldn't have thought damaging trees worried the council considering they seem to periodically chop decent beutiful trees down and replace them with saplings.
Yes I would love to see the "mess", please post a photo

Neil 25-06-2005 21:51
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I will try and take some tomorrow if I get the time.

garinda 26-06-2005 05:54
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Originally Posted by park381
Hey, I'm looking to you to provide me with information on "Ossy" now that I've moved to a new tree a long way from the park. ;)
Have you moved seriously?

Why didn't you say?

I'm still putting nibbles out for you!

Where've you gone, up a Cumbrian tree with Squirel Nutkin?

park381 26-06-2005 09:56
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Originally Posted by garinda
Have you moved seriously?

Why didn't you say?

I'm still putting nibbles out for you!

Where've you gone, up a Cumbrian tree with Squirel Nutkin?
Yep, got my marching orders, found some new trees just on hyndburn/blackburn border. :D not as busy at night as rhyddings park.

garinda 27-06-2005 18:41
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Originally Posted by park381
Yep, got my marching orders, found some new trees just on hyndburn/blackburn border. :D not as busy at night as rhyddings park.

Been from Belthorn to Intack via Guide with your nuts, and still not located your new tree.:(

park381 27-06-2005 18:50
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Originally Posted by garinda
Been from Belthorn to Intack via Guide with your nuts, and still not located your new tree.:(
From Intack back to Red Cap...............there are trees on your right, just after Intack traffic lights you could find me there, or down near knuzden brook, lots of trees there. :D or in one of the back gardens on abbott clough :)

garinda 28-06-2005 09:09
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Originally Posted by park381
From Intack back to Red Cap...............there are trees on your right, just after Intack traffic lights you could find me there, or down near knuzden brook, lots of trees there. :D or in one of the back gardens on abbott clough :)
Awww, l'll miss leaving Mum's knowing you sometimes saw me from up your tree.:(

Hoping very much you enjoy your new tree.:)

park381 28-06-2005 10:27
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Originally Posted by garinda
Awww, l'll miss leaving Mum's knowing you sometimes saw me from up your tree.:(

Hoping very much you enjoy your new tree.:)
You could always give me a wave, as you pass late at night after a night out in blackburn :D

Neil 03-07-2005 09:44
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I can remember you (SHE) voting yes for this so you only have yourself to blame.
I have to print a reversal here, a bit like the Observer does :).
After talking with SHE yesterday for a while on this topic, it looks like I was wrong about my statement. Sorry SHE you did, and still do want cobbled parking bays.

garinda 05-07-2005 16:17
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Not in the car today, so when l walked back home from Mum's was able to have a good nose on Rhyddings Street.

I don't know if it's made your parking any easier [?], but aesthetically it's a right piggin' mess. Cobbles would have looked much better, and although they used some sort of stone it's different from the original kerbing.

Neil 05-07-2005 16:43
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Thats it mate walk past without calling in to say hi.

park381 05-07-2005 16:45
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Originally Posted by garinda
I don't know if it's made your parking any easier [?], but aesthetically it's a right piggin' mess. Cobbles would have looked much better, and although they used some sort of stone it's different from the original kerbing.
What did you expect, a good job from "Bill & Ben" ;) perhaps a call to the observer might do the trick.
If this is an example of how the Area Councils are going to spend their budgets, there's major problems ahead. Think what a mess they could make of rhyddings park :eek:

garinda 05-07-2005 16:53
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Originally Posted by Neil
Thats it mate walk past without calling in to say hi.
Tell me your number? l looked at the gates trying to decide which was the 'new' one to give me a clue!

Twenty mins it took from Park Lane to Catlowhall, any longer l would have been arrested for loitering!;)

Neil 05-07-2005 16:57
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That is one good reason for the Friends Of Rhyddings Park. To try and limmit the damage that HBC will cause on there own.

garinda 05-07-2005 17:02
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The park is in an awful mess.

The drains are all made up along the bottom path, and good luck to anyone bad on their pins or pushing a pram [Romps] trying to circumnavigate the potholes.

The floral displays? Lost for words.

park381 05-07-2005 19:18
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Originally Posted by garinda
The park is in an awful mess.

The drains are all made up along the bottom path, and good luck to anyone bad on their pins or pushing a pram [Romps] trying to circumnavigate the potholes
Have you not seen my post http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/t...hich-park.html
It is just in a right mess, HBC have done nothing over the past 15/20 years

park381 05-07-2005 20:09
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Originally Posted by Neil
That is one good reason for the Friends Of Rhyddings Park. To try and limmit the damage that HBC will cause on there own.
Are you going to put yourself on that committee, to make sure HBC don't get their own way. Would have had a go myself if I was still living on the lane.

garinda 05-07-2005 22:06
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Originally Posted by park381
Are you going to put yourself on that committee, to make sure HBC don't get their own way. Would have had a go myself if I was still living on the lane.
Yeah Parky l did read your previous posts, l just noticed that it just seems to be getting more and more run down lately, perhaps on purpose to qualify for lottery money?


I agree Neil would be a good person to have on board, but l think so would you. Just because you're no longer up your tree doesn't mean you can't still play an active part of any Friends group. After all the park is for everyone not just for local residents and you obviously still care.

park381 06-07-2005 07:12
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Originally Posted by garinda
I agree Neil would be a good person to have on board, but l think so would you. Just because you're no longer up your tree doesn't mean you can't still play an active part of any Friends group. After all the park is for everyone not just for local residents and you obviously still care.
Thank you for those thoughs, when is the next meeting, if I'm free then I will go along to it.

Neil 06-07-2005 17:02
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It has not been announced yet. Sometime in September I think they said it will be.

Gayle 06-07-2005 17:07
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I don't think they'd object if you wanted to sit on the committee, park381. In fact, I think it's a good idea if it's not just people who live on the perimeter of it that are on the committee. People who live around the park might not necessarily consider other users and visa versa - it's got to be a good mix of people who care about it.

park381 06-07-2005 20:41
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It has not been announced yet. Sometime in September I think they said it will be.
Do you think it will be advertised in the observer

Neil 06-07-2005 21:41
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I think the last one was advertised in the LET. They put the wrong time (7.30 instead of 7.00) but it was in. When I get told when it is I will let you know mate.

park381 06-07-2005 21:56
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Originally Posted by Neil
I think the last one was advertised in the LET. They put the wrong time (7.30 instead of 7.00) but it was in. When I get told when it is I will let you know mate.
Cheers.............Neil

robbindel 30-04-2006 14:08
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hi everyone, (widening Rhyddings street,) i am now 42 and i used to live at the top end of Rhydding street when i was 2yrs old till 15. The grass verges were there then, its part of Rhyddings street history, it looks nice, and when the blossom trees comes to life it looks beutifull. them days i will admit they was not a lot of cars so i do understand why the coucil want to flag it now, it would be a shame.

garinda 09-05-2006 21:36
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Originally Posted by robbindel
hi everyone, (widening Rhyddings street,) i am now 42 and i used to live at the top end of Rhydding street when i was 2yrs old till 15. The grass verges were there then, its part of Rhyddings street history, it looks nice, and when the blossom trees comes to life it looks beutifull. them days i will admit they was not a lot of cars so i do understand why the coucil want to flag it now, it would be a shame.
I once ran away from home when I was small, and ended up playing at a girl's house at the top of Ryhddings Street. I'm a year younger than you, so you may be the kind, big girl that gave me sanctuary.;)

Neil 09-05-2006 21:49
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when the blossom trees comes to life it looks beutifull.
The blossom is out now, come and have a look.

bad breath brown 09-05-2006 22:27
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Originally Posted by park381
Article in this week-ends Observer Friday 32st Dec 04 page 12
"£8,000 scheme to widen street will benefit residents"
Hyndburn Council are set to spend £8,000 widening Rhyddings Street in Oswaldtwistle.
St Andrews ward Councillor Brian Walmsley welcomed the scheme.
He said "This is great news for residents in this area who have been struggling with parking issues for some time now."
"The enhancements will make the area much safer and will enable emergency vehicles to access the street if needed" end of article.

Anyone have any info on this, living on Park Lane, emergency vehicle access to us has been a problem for years, even more so, now that the Council has stopped Rhyddings street(top end adjacent to park gates) residents from parking on the grass verges.

Whilst I am not knocking any street improvements, I would be interested to know what the "enhancements" are.
make it one way.

robbindel 12-05-2006 23:24
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Garinda, please get touch, i lived at 62 Rhyddings street, and i remember befriendinging someone who was in trouble and left home, i would really love to talk to you, i think we really would become great friends, ill explaine why, look forward to here from you very soon x

robbindel 12-05-2006 23:29
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Originally Posted by Neil
The blossom is out now, come and have a look.
I know, ive drove up and seen them, im a bit home sick, they are beutifull, the trees should stay x;)

robbindel 13-05-2006 00:03
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
Getting back to the plot. I'd have thought that the safety of the residents of all the streets in the area should be of more importance than anything else.

I was thinking the same thing this weekend in Blackburn when we passed an estate where access seemd to be by footpath only. There must be roads into it somewhere but surely it makes access more difficult for emergency vehicles. It's all very well having an "I'm alright Jack" attitude if your road is OK but that's a bit selfish - I could be like that because I'm on a bus route so emergency vehicles have no access problems here but ambulances have a problem in Ormerod Street with all the road humps.

Couldn't there be some sort of compromise? Would it be possible to have bits of verge and bits of paving and keep the trees as is?
Take it you dont come from top of Rhyddings st, it not busy there, the grass verges have been there for years, i say leave them alone, :mad:

robbindel 13-05-2006 00:07
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Originally Posted by Neil
It would give only 10 spaces. Last night at 2am there were only 9 cars parked. Parking on one side only gives 8 spaces. You can't keep the trees and put in parking bays. The trees would have to be removed to create the bays because the roots would be destroyed. The cost for creating the bays would be high ( much higher than the £8000 mentioned in the Observer). The council suggested it, but had no costing or even plan of the scheme to show us residents. At the end of the financial year the allocated money will be clawed back by the council anyway. There was never any chance of parking bays anyway. The council just played lip service to residents to try and keep voters sweet. PB stated that the problem has been ongoing since before he was a cllr - to some of you that must appear to be for ever.
i agree :)

robbindel 13-05-2006 00:11
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Originally Posted by simon
What solution and straight thinking can be easily thought through to widening Park lane?????

I would love it to be so easy, and convienient for us all.. but on this one, the truth of the matter is that, as these and lots of other property's in this area where here long before the cars. So making allowances for all our cars outside OUR front doors, is not gonna happen.
WE have to accept the car and our thinking toward our RIGHTS(to park where I want) is the problem. As has been stated park away and walk home. If safety was such a large worry do your own bit and dont block park lane or rhyddings st..

As stated by our local councillors " If we are pushed too hard on this, yellow lines will be the only option"...Anyone got a 3inch brush ;)
I agree with you, the trees etc have been there a long time and should be there for ever,:)

robbindel 13-05-2006 00:30
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Originally Posted by garinda
After a bad night l managed an hours sleep. Did l dream of deserted beaches, hanky panky? No, l dreamt of this bleedin' thread! Do l need a life?

Parking in this area along with lots of other streets that were layed down before the rise of car ownership. l know people in this area that have been in the area for over 40 years, when there were fewer cars. But l can't help comparing it to people that live in City centres and hate the noise, or those that live in the country and hate animal sounds/ smells.
Lots [not all] have made a choice about were they live, and the choice is theirs, parking is going to become more difficult in time. People could move to houses [newer] with allocated parking, but it wouldn't be half as beautiful,
Found you (lol) your good friend who took pity of you when you left home and befriened you, at the top end of rhyddings st when you and i was younger, get in touch, please but tell me how x


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