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I think the Labour Councillors refused to be a part of it so although it was paid for by the Area Councils, only Conservative Councillors are listed.

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Maybe thats because they don't represent the same ward Taggy:D

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Collette doesn't bother with a calendar she sends a Christmas card (hand delivered) with all relevant information on the back, she's done this for the last 2 or 3 years

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As far as i was aware, Jaysay Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones do represent my ward....i got a crimbo card off them (Yipee!) and they were both involved in the protest re the Drug Centre on Avenue Parade.


Best Regards - Taggy

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You mentioned Paul Barton who is Barnfield, Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones are Peel ward.

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Well they must be as confused as me, because i got a Calendar with Paul Barton on it, and a Christmas card from Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones! Lucky Me eh!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Are you on the border of the 2 wards and someone delivering got mixed up?

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I'm just below the Post Office on Avenue Parade Neil.


Best Regards - Taggy

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I got the calendar with Paul Barton on it as well, and I live in Peel ward, a couple of streets away from Graham Jones.:confused:

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Peel and Barnfield are often classed as one. They're right next to each other and they have the same issues etc. I think that their Area Council covers both wards - in the same way as Ossy Area Council lumps St Oswald's, St Andrew's and Immanuel together.

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Maybe the person posting them gets his fags from the Magic Wok ;)

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I have told that the labour councillors in Peel Ward Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones refused to have anything to do with the calender because it was being funded by the Council and not the individual Councillors

Apparently they thought the money could be better spent on projects in Peel and Barnfield.

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Bernard and Graham represent Peel Ward, Paul is Barnfield Taggy that's the point I was trying to make, but why you should get a Calendar from Paul, well who knows why:confused:

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You seem very well informed Robert:rolleyes:

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I'll get really worried if i get a Valantines Card Jaysay!!! LOL!:D


Best Regards - Taggy

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Jaysay I am not that well informed.I just got an email explaining the situation thats all.

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Because it wasn't produced by Wards it was produced by Area Councils - in their case the area council is for Peel and Barnfield!

In Ossy it's three wards. BTW - I never got one. I wonder why!

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You and me alike Taggy, and I kow Paul quite well:D

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Must have known you already had a FORP calendar Gayle:D

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Jaysay If you know Councillor Paul Barton quite well, you could ask him how much it cost to produce those calenders

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Always happy to help with the costs of the calendars. They were funded by the council generally not each individual area council and cost in the region of £450 per area. No Labour Councillors were involved in any way as we believe that its not the best use of public money, most Labour Councillors pay for their own Christmas Cards and mine have a calendar on the back of them (if you look closely you will notice that on the Peel and Barnfield calendar Tony Dobsons phone number is wrong !!!!)

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With you appearing to be new on here, I see very few people these days because I don't get out much any more becase of very poor health

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How many areas are there please?

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3 areas did the calendars and the exact costs were Great harwood £473, Peel and Barnfield £457 and Oswaldtwistle £539

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Does that include the cost of delivering the calenders as well?

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They deliver them themselves or they used to in my day, but either way there is no cost involved, well not in Ossy that is, can't spek for other areas

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So I am led to believe, the Probation Service delivered the calendars in Ossy.

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How can you possibly justify the Probation Service delivering this........what could you possibly do that is so bad that you are forced to spend a couple of days looking at Britcliffes face?

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If you know that there was no cost, who then delivered the calenders . Was it the probation service?

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I'm not sure if volunteers did'nt help out with delivering....i saw a van from the probation service picking people up when they were delivered in my area and assumed they were posting the calendars!


Best Regards - Taggy

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And would you like to tell me who the real Robert Owen is, its like a Dog and Pony show and not a really good one at that, would you like to tell use which Labour councillor you really are, I await with interest

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Who I am isn't relevant,what is relevant is that the local Tories have put out Political Propaganda out in the form of calendars paid for by the Ratepayers of Hyndburn.It would seem also now that they were delivered by the Probation Service. What a disgrace

P.S Are you really called Mr jaysay?

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Well I'm glad I didn't get one.
Just how many calendars do you folks need anyway!

I got one from my hairdresser and one from the waste disposal at HBC (which is the only one I consult to remind me whether it is 'bin week' or 'recycle week')

Those petty miscreants/probationers will have gained local knowledge (who is in and who is out daytime) which may well assist in their future careers:rolleyes:

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Did you miss Clare's post below?


It would appear the Labour Councillors could have been involved if they wanted. I wonder if they stayed away so people could swing the anti-Tory stick about and complain about the waste of public money.

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That was sound labour reasoning - I think it was wanton waste !
- so I am swinging the anti tory stick - public funds used for tory Google Page Ranking purposes:mad:

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Or they stayed away because they thought it was a waste of public money and it was just a lucky bonus that they discovered that other people talked about it online and agreed with them. :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Neil;675871] It would appear the Labour Councillors could have been involved if they wanted. I wonder if they stayed away so people could swing the anti-Tory stick about and complain about the waste of public money.[/QUOTE

The Labour Councillors did not take part in the because we felt that it was an inappropriate use of Council Tax Payers money.
Most of us did deliver a Christmas Card to every house in our ward -but each councillor paid for the cards themselves - and this was printed on each card.

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Are you saying that councillors should pay out of their pockets in order to make people aware who their councillor is, and how they can be contacted? Not everyone is as clued up as you might be, sitting on council. Not everybody knows how to use the internet to find the information out. Not everybody has the internet. Not everybody even knows what ward they live in.

I don't recall the last time I kept a Christmas card for a year, where as calendars are very useful, especially when they have your democratically elected representatives details on them.

Whatever your views, whether you think the calendars are a waste of money or not, it's not Tory propaganda. Might be a waste of money if you think that, fair enough. You can't claim it to be propaganda when Labour councillors were just as entitled to feature on it. Didn't Labour councillors even have photos taken for the calendar? But then backed out.. I couldn't guess why.

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Andrew. Have you seen the Oswaldtwistle calender. Its got a big picture of Peter Britcliffe on one side, and even bigger picture of him on the other side. Where's the information?

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I agree that not everyone is as clued up as myself.

Neither am I saying, that Councillors should pay out of their own pockets to make people aware who their democratically elected councillor is. I am, however, pointing out that Labour Councillors did deliver Christmas cards, which they paid for themselves.

But the Christmas Cards, which the Labour Councillors delivered, had the name, address and a contact telephone number for their democratically elected councillor. They also had a list of other useful telephone numbers and had a calendar on the back of the card.

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Yet another political jibe at an elected councillor and leader.
I would go hell for leather at your leader who inherited the post by default. GB I mean.
Maybe you would volunteer to pack his bags when he vacates No 10.
It would appear that most of the electorate in Hyndburn don't take your view? :rolleyes:

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The original full colour calendar, featuring the twelve beautiful photographs, that inspired this debate, has a lot to answer for.:rolleyes:

I'm glad mine is safely stored in a vault, until Flog It comes to town.

:)

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I never got a copy of that either. I wonder if whoever made it has a spare copy for me ;)

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I think all the remaining copies were put in evidence bags, for when they were used in the trial.

Like I said, a collector's item.:D

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I haven't seen the Oswaldtwistle calendar, but if you have one spare, give me a PM, I will happily take one. Having not seen specifically the Oswaldtwistle one, I would hope that it has the democratically elected councillors contact details on.

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It has, and as I said earlier I have no problem with that.

As for how much it's cost us....

You can get a lovely one with fluffy kittens on in Wilkinson's in January, for only ten pence.

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elected or not, kettle calling pan springs to mind.:D

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I can't speak with certainty as I have not seen the christmas cards, I do not live in a ward with a Labour councillor. Therefore I cannot make judgement on the practicality of the calendar, other than that I have never kept a Christmas card for more than a few weeks. My main point still stands, that I don't believe democratically elected councillors, who represent the people of Hyndburn, should be digging into their own pockets to show people who represent them. I think its discriminatory based on their wealth, and that is wrong.

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On the rare occasion that's happened to me, I keep my gob shut.;)

:D

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As I have done on the christmas cards my dear Garinda. ;)

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Stick with your cuddly toy.

http://www.perrys-emporium.com/image...m/aee1_1_b.jpg

That's the only deer that's your's.;)

:D

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Tell me more about the ale and the loose women;) I can be bought:D

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I'll stick to the ale and calender,to old to train another women up to the required standard.:eek::D:D

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At my age, the required standard is a pulse:mad:;):D

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Every body on here knows exactly who I am on here as I told them years ago, So will you now do the same

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Jaysay Who I am isn't important. What is important is to expose the misuse of Council Tax payers money by this tory controlled council, the calenders being just one example of this.

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Any one who makes a statement and isn't prepared to put their real name to isn't worth a light, so you may as well crawl back under the stone you came from in the first place and tell Graham you've failed

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Well stop messing about in this old thread, start your own and list all this misuse of Council Tax payers money so we will know the truth.

Or is it not close enough to the elections for you yet?

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I find it sad that you have to resort to personal abuse. One of the things that appealed to me about Accy Web, was that people seem to debate serious issues in a civilized way.

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I'll debate with anybody, but not with a person who is something they are not, if you want to make points make them in your own name not a figment of your imagination, its like anonymous letters to the press not worth the paper they are written on, because if your not prepared to put your name to something you may as well not bother, because it mean absolutely nothing

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Jaysay Bit of cheek, you dont use your real name. And it seems to me that not many do on Accy Web. I assume also that English literature was not one of your stronger subjects at school, as you dont seem to know who Robert Owen was

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I think you must mean "English Social History" .... Wilfred Owen would be "English Literature". Even Canadians know this;)

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By the way, what does this Britcliffe look like? And "no"; I don't need a copy of the calender.

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Eric. I know what you mean, but there is another Robert Owen an early 1900s novelist

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Eric. I thought everybody knew what he looks like. I would like to describe what he looks like, but it's not easy.

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Perhaps you meant Business? Robert Owen the socialist whom tried to apply socialism to business and failed. Unless there's another Robert Owen, if there is, clearly they teach nothing at school anymore. :rolleyes:

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My real name's Steve Pilkington. I use a "handle" because it's a bit of fun. Jaysay also makes no secret of his real name. What's yours...or have you not got the bottle to say?

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I seem to remember you went by an anonymous user name, different from your present one, whilst at time writing to the local press using your real name, accusing this forum of 'vicious and vile attacks' against your friend Peter Britcliffe.

A case of the kettle calling the pot black, me thinks.

This public forum allows every member to use a pseudonym, and protect their identity if they so wish.

Everyone on Accy Web is free to make that choice.

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That bad, eh.:eek:

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http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/re.../?type=display

Acrylic-bob did a Warholesque version, which is in the gallery somewhere on here.

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Which I've just found.:D

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Have you never seen this picture on here before of Hyndborg Borough Council?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...yndborg-bc.jpg

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As you have been critising something you have not seen. I am going to post a copy of the Christmas card my husband and I delivered to the residents of Church ward.
As for being discriminatory based on wealth, all councillors are entitled to claim the same basic allowances. 3 out of the 6 Tory councillors in Oswaldtwistle are also Cabinet members as are 2 out of the 3 Tory councillors in Great Harwood - so their allowances are much larger.

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I look forward to seeing it. However you didn't make it clear. Are you saying that councillors should be spending their own money to give people information about who their representative is and how to contact them?

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I would hope the cabinet members do more for that money though

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Oh what the heck, I'll come clean, my name's really Gayle!:D

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Just for you Andrew - copy of the Christmas card (unfortunately it did not scan very well)

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I always thought it was Bernie

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Lol, though before you joined Accy Web lot's of people thought you were a member called Purplelass, because that was the only person who was defending the Pant.....oh, we can't mention that word.

I still think everyone has the right to anonymity on here, if they so wish.

Nothing in the rules about it, and the majority of us don't post under our real names.

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Was that a guess or do you know more about me that I thought? ;)

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........................

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Thankyou for that, the scan is okay its still pretty clear. I presume these are A5 size? Are the council calendars also this size, or are they big calendars?

I still don't understand what you're trying to argue though. Surely it is a democratic councils responsibility to let people know how their councillor can be contacted and who they are? Why should councillors have to pay out of their pocket to inform them?

Instead what has happened is Labour have refused to have their pictures on, despite having photographs taken. They have then gone and spent their own money on duplicating the information.

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Also, Graham Jones your leader says £750 paying to him in allowances is trivial. Why are you making a song and dance about giving people information on who represents them?

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Just a guess, why was I right ;)

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It was right - Gayle Bernadette - good guess. :D

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Purple Ass:confused: The mind boggles.

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You don't really think I guessed that do you? Have you finished the first bottle yet :p

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The card I delivered in Church ward was A5 however I have not seen any of the area council calendars so don't know what size they were.

I do wish you would get your facts straight, Labour councillors delivered cards last year (2007) at their own expense and decided in early 2008 to do the same for Christmas 2008.

Your 'almighty' leader obviously decided that the cards had been well received in the wards in which they were delivered and so wanted Area Council calendars (paid for by the council tax payer) to further his election campaign.

In Church and Milnshaw Area Council (of which, I am sure you are aware I am a member), the councillors decided that calendars were an inappropriate use of council tax payers money and declined to have a calendar. No - I repeat - No photographs were taken.

As well as the printing and distribution costs involved in producing and delivering the calendars, there is also the extra expense in council officer's time. Because whilst they are sorting out the calendars they were not doing more important and pressing work for the residents of Hyndburn.

As for critising the Labour councillors for spending their own money - what would be your response if I asked you to justify what you spend your money on?

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I suppose this is the problem with Labour. Attack the Conservatives comes before anything else. It was hardly to further his election campaign when you and every other Labour councillor was eligible to be on it! You'll use anything - anything you can concoct, to be negative towards Britcliffe.

Labour councillors can spend their own money on what they wish, perhaps you can even spend it on dishonest council tax propaganda again. However you cannot tell the people of Hyndburn, that they can not be informed about who their councillors are, or how to contact them if they have issues. I am in shock. You put christmas cards out, so you think its important that people know who their councillors are, so why is it not a function of council to do so?

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Andrew, do you honestly believe that people don't know how to find their councillor unless they get a calendar? Come on! If you want to find a councillor you phone the council and not wait for a calendar to pop through your door.

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Well, I always thought that Accywebbers just used "pen names" for a bit of fun and as far as I'm concerned, people should have the bottle to stand up and be counted...including this "Robert Owen" bloke.

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As far as I see it some councillors chose to send the people in their ward a calendar, and some chose to send a Christmas card.

The only differece was that one set of councillors paid for it themselves, whilst the others funded it from the public purse.

I know which set of councillors seem more economically attractive, especially in the week that the next Council Tax bills have been made public.

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Why?

I've had the pleasure of meeting you, and happen to know your real name, but that doesn't make the slightest difference to my opinion of you, or to what you post. I respect you just the same as I did before I became privy to your real name.

I'd say 99% of people on here wouldn't know my real name, and why should they?

Does it diminish someone's posts if we don't know their full name, age, date of birth, addrees and National Insurance number?

I say a resounding no.

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Actually. The calendars were a waste of money. I take it all back.

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Hard to put into words, really, but I always pay more regard to those who put their names to letters in newspapers than to those who sign themselves "anon". Perhaps it doesn't matter for a lot of general stuff on here, but when it comes to local politics and especially as this person seems to occupy some sort of position in the political hierarchy, I reckon he should come out and declare his interests.

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I am not saying it is not the function of the Council, however the full details of all councillors (complete with names addresses and telephone numbers) was circulated in the Beacon newspaper (produced by HBC). which was delivered to every household.

You really are blinkered aren't you - and St Peter can do no wrong (not to mention St David). By our decision not to take part in Area Council Calendars the Labour Group have saved the Council Tax Payers money. As you are no doubt aware there are 9 Area Councils in Hyndburn, but only 3 choose to send out calendars. If you consider that is was approx £450 per Area Council, that means that multiplied by 6= £2700 saved. The Area Councils that did not have calendars were
Rishton (which has 2 Tories and 1 Labour member)
Clayton and Altham (which has 2 Tories 1 Labour and 1 Independent member)
Baxenden (which has 2 Tories)
Huncoat (which has 1 Labour and 1 Independent)
Church and Milnshaw (which has 3 Labour and 1 Independent)
Spring Hill and Central (which has 3 Labour and 1 Tory)

How do you explain why some of the Area Councils which have a majority of Tory members choose not to send out calendars - maybe they also felt that it was an inappropriate use of council tax payers money.

I would have thought that rather than being critical of the Area Councils that did not send out calendars, you would have congratulated them on saving the Council Tax Payer of Hyndburn money.

Hope to see you on Budget night (in the Town Hall Gallery) with your calculator double checking all the figures are correct.

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Andrew do you feel well?
Have you had a change of heart and realised that the only party to belong too is the Labour Party, maybe you will be singing 'The Red Flag' next. I can teach you the words and it is very good tune, just don't get the words mixed up and sing about Christmas Trees instead.

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No don't fear, I won't be joining your ranks. Wouldn't wish to do a Hestletine over the red flag song. I will criticise the side that I vote for if they do wrong though.

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I will hold you to that.

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very creditable if ya mean it, which i suspect ya do. it also means ya will get nowhere in the political field, suggest ya reconsider that comment if ya want to get on, Thatcher would have crucified ya.