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andrewb 05-02-2009 22:31
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676376)
very creditable if ya mean it, which i suspect ya do. it also means ya will get nowhere in the political field, suggest ya reconsider that comment if ya want to get on, Thatcher would have crucified ya.
If I choose to go into politics later on in life, and don't succeed because I have criticised the party that I feel closest too.. then.. so be it. (i assume this isnt in reference to the redflag joke ;))

garinda 05-02-2009 23:44
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676333)
Hard to put into words, really, but I always pay more regard to those who put their names to letters in newspapers than to those who sign themselves "anon". Perhaps it doesn't matter for a lot of general stuff on here, but when it comes to local politics and especially as this person seems to occupy some sort of position in the political hierarchy, I reckon he should come out and declare his interests.
I really disagree.

On a forum where people have a choice, and can call themselves whatever they like, it's primarily what's said that is important, and not who said it.

Think about it logically. There are people posting under a pseudonym, and it's only a few people who actually know their real name, and the background they come from, which probably influences what they say. A small clique, who happen to know who's who, is just something that happens over time.

If someone joins Accy Web tomorrow, they aren't going to know who Jaysay really is, for example, and why should they?

Unless Accy Web decides to change the rules, and we all have to post under are birth names, then people should have the freedom to remain anonymous, if they so wish.

katex 06-02-2009 00:02
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^^^^^^^^ What Garinda said.

MargaretR 06-02-2009 00:04
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 676424)
^^^^^^^^ What Garinda said.
What Katy did ............ and what Katy did next
did you read those posh books?:D - jolly hockey sticks

garinda 06-02-2009 00:07
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I agree with Margaret and Katex, though that 'are' instead of 'our' Garinda posted, is a howler.

:D

cashman 06-02-2009 00:54
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as its a local forum i can see no wrong in folk having a ghost name, its up to individuals to decide whos credible who aint, however am unsure about people joining with "Political Motive" n for no other reason, i think they should have the balls to be upfront. just my personal view.

garinda 06-02-2009 09:43
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676436)
as its a local forum i can see no wrong in folk having a ghost name, its up to individuals to decide whos credible who aint, however am unsure about people joining with "Political Motive" n for no other reason, i think they should have the balls to be upfront. just my personal view.
If that's the case we should all use our real names, and underneath that there'd be a declaration stating if we'd ever been a member of a political party or organisation.

There's no need for that, in my opinion.

If someone joins, and all they do is post about how good one political party is, and how appalling the opposition are, the majority of us will soon get bored with their blinkerd views, and be ready to give them a virtual pasting.

:D

jaysay 06-02-2009 09:45
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676436)
as its a local forum i can see no wrong in folk having a ghost name, its up to individuals to decide whos credible who aint, however am unsure about people joining with "Political Motive" n for no other reason, i think they should have the balls to be upfront. just my personal view.
My point entirely cashy, I have no problem people coming on here and joining in using a screen name, but when its apparent from the start they have a political agenda, why note be up front about it, after all Cllr Jones and Pritchard use their own names,and its no secret that claytonender is a Labour Councillor, but to enroll and then come across a member of the GP when in fact your a Labour Councillor, sorry that's not on.

garinda 06-02-2009 09:50
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 676460)
My point entirely cashy, I have no problem people coming on here and joining in using a screen name, but when its apparent from the start they have a political agenda, why note be up front about it, after all Cllr Jones and Pritchard use their own names,and its no secret that claytonender is a Labour Councillor, but to enroll and then come across a member of the GP when in fact your a Labour Councillor, sorry that's not on.
He, or she, hasn't broken any forum rules.

Odd you seem to know exactly who it is, or think you do.

I haven't the foggiest, nor do I care.

I'll soon get annoyed with them if all they do is bang on from one political viewpoint...just as I do when anyone else does the same thing, using a real, or made up name.;)

jaysay 06-02-2009 09:58
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 676318)
As far as I see it some councillors chose to send the people in their ward a calendar, and some chose to send a Christmas card.

The only differece was that one set of councillors paid for it themselves, whilst the others funded it from the public purse.

I know which set of councillors seem more economically attractive, especially in the week that the next Council Tax bills have been made public.
For what its worth, I thought this idea for calendars and Xmas Cards is a waste of time right from the start, I'll just ask a question how many people on Acc Wed actually have one of these calendars hanging on their wall or again the Xmas card pined on a notice board, I would actually think not many, especially hen you can get a fist class calendar from FORP:D

garinda 06-02-2009 10:05
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 676464)
For what its worth, I thought this idea for calendars and Xmas Cards is a waste of time right from the start, I'll just ask a question how many people on Acc Wed actually have one of these calendars hanging on their wall or again the Xmas card pined on a notice board, I would actually think not many, especially hen you can get a fist class calendar from FORP:D
Like I said, other than a cursory glance, the calendar went straight into the recycling sack.

I suspect after Christmas many of the cards suffered a similar fate, the only diffence being that the cards didn't cost the people of Hyndburn a penny, unlike the calendars.

cashman 06-02-2009 12:55
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676112)
Jaysay Who I am isn't important. What is important is to expose the misuse of Council Tax payers money by this tory controlled council, the calenders being just one example of this.
i know who.:D:D

Gayle 06-02-2009 13:00
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 676464)
I'll just ask a question how many people on Acc Wed actually have one of these calendars hanging on their wall or again the Xmas card pined on a notice board
Bizarrely, the reception desk/security point at Calderstones has one hanging up. I'm doing some work over there and when I call in the office to sign in I'm treated to Cllr Britcliffe's smiling face looking down at me from the reception wall.

cashman 06-02-2009 13:02
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ya sure he's not calderstones most famous patient?:D

Eric 06-02-2009 15:19
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Has anyone ever thought that it might be a good idea if national party politics were kept out of local government .... that councillors should represent their Wards and not their pary interests?

Gayle 06-02-2009 15:33
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 676559)
Has anyone ever thought that it might be a good idea if national party politics were kept out of local government .... that councillors should represent their Wards and not their pary interests?
It would be a great idea but unfortunately people can't seem to seperate the two.

Eric 06-02-2009 16:14
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 676564)
It would be a great idea but unfortunately people can't seem to seperate the two.
Pity ... it works here ... not perfectly of course, but it works. Most of those of us who take an interest in municipal govt., don't give a damn about a councillor's politics as long as the city is run well: you know, the streets and sidewalks are plowed, the potholes are filled in, the streets are maintained, the police services meet our needs ... bread and butter stuff. We all know that Councillor Gerretsen is a Liberal ... his dad represents Kingston and the Islands in the Provincial Parliament as a Liberal ... but that doesn't seem to interfere with how he represents the interests of his Ward in council. He doesn't vote along "party lines".

Ah well, different strokes ... ;)

Bernard Dawson 06-02-2009 19:43
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 676460)
My point entirely cashy, I have no problem people coming on here and joining in using a screen name, but when its apparent from the start they have a political agenda, why note be up front about it, after all Cllr Jones and Pritchard use their own names,and its no secret that claytonender is a Labour Councillor, but to enroll and then come across a member of the GP when in fact your a Labour Councillor, sorry that's not on.
Jaysay. I am a member of the general public . You dont cease to be a member of the public simply because you become a councillor. I also pay rates every month, and also a fair amount income tax which I consider entitles me to an opinion as to whether or not those calenders are waste of money.

This notion also that only councillors can have a political agenda is nonsense. I do wonder also whether you would you would saying some of these things if I was a Tory councillor.

garinda 06-02-2009 20:06
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676624)
Jaysay. I am a member of the general public . You dont cease to be a member of the public simply because you become a councillor. I also pay rates every month, and also a fair amount income tax which I consider entitles me to an opinion as to whether or not those calenders are waste of money.

This notion also that only councillors can have a political agenda is nonsense. I do wonder also whether you would you would saying some of these things if I was a Tory councillor.
There aren't any Conservative councillors on here.

Not that we know of...and certainly none using their real names.

We have to make do with Jaysay, for when someone wants to broadcast information, such as exactly how much was spent by Cllr. Britcliffe on his London grub.

I notice the user name Organ Grinder's Monkey is still available.

Perhaps someone would care to snap it up.

claytonender 06-02-2009 20:08
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 676634)

I notice the user name Organ Grinder's Monkey is still available.

Perhaps someone would care to snap it up.
Nice one Gary

Bernard Dawson 06-02-2009 20:08
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 676510)
Bizarrely, the reception desk/security point at Calderstones has one hanging up. I'm doing some work over there and when I call in the office to sign in I'm treated to Cllr Britcliffe's smiling face looking down at me from the reception wall.

It seems like Peter's following you around Gayle. Maybe he is paying you back for standing against him the other year.

Neil 06-02-2009 20:38
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676636)
It seems like Peter's following you around Gayle.
Don't worry Gayle I will keep my eyes on him on Thursday in case I need to defend your honour :D:D:D:D


Next you will be suggesting Graham is Peters love child :rolleyes::eek::D:D

Eric 06-02-2009 20:51
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676624)
Jaysay. I am a member of the general public . You dont cease to be a member of the public simply because you become a councillor. I also pay rates every month, and also a fair amount income tax which I consider entitles me to an opinion as to whether or not those calenders are waste of money.

This notion also that only councillors can have a political agenda is nonsense. I do wonder also whether you would you would saying some of these things if I was a Tory councillor.
In a very real sense you do cease to be a member of the general public when you are elected ... you become a servant of the public, a guardian of the public weal ... kinda like the Pope (the one in Rome), "servant of the servants of God"; and in many cases and situations you will be called upon to subordinate your personal biases and beliefs to the general good. And if you ignore that call, you should become, once again, a private citizen, a true member of the public.

Bernard Dawson 06-02-2009 21:31
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 676666)
In a very real sense you do cease to be a member of the general public when you are elected ... you become a servant of the public, a guardian of the public weal ... kinda like the Pope (the one in Rome), "servant of the servants of God"; and in many cases and situations you will be called upon to subordinate your personal biases and beliefs to the general good. And if you ignore that call, you should become, once again, a private citizen, a true member of the public.
Eric. A lot of what you say I agree with. There is no question local councillors are there to represent the people who voted for them, and also the ones that didn't.

And that is what the majority of councillors try to do. But people also expect us to spend their money wisely And in my view we have a duty to speak up when we think that it's not being spent all that wisely.

The point I was trying to make about councillors being part of the general public, is that most councillors live in the ward they represent,and as such are part of that community

Royboy39 06-02-2009 21:36
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 676635)
Nice one Gary
Nice one Gary my arse...........If anyone should be named as Organ Grinders Monkey it should be Garinda the fence sitter until he grabs someones attention. :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 06-02-2009 21:56
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676689)
And in my view we have a duty to speak up when we think that it's not being spent all that wisely.
...whilst hiding behind a cloak of anonymity because you don't have the courage of your convictions.

Bernard Dawson 06-02-2009 22:49
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676718)
...whilst hiding behind a cloak of anonymity because you don't have the courage of your convictions.
It's not a cloak of anonymity at all. It would appear that most people on Accy Web dont use their real name. Why should this be any different for local councillors than any other person on Accy Web?

Our you saying that everybody that doesn't use their real name on Accy Web haven't the courage of their convictions?

Wynonie Harris 06-02-2009 22:53
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676752)
It's not a cloak of anonymity at all. It would appear that most people on Accy Web dont use their real name. Why should this be any different for local councillors than any other person on Accy Web?

Our you saying that everybody that doesn't use their real name on Accy Web haven't the courage of their convictions?
No, what I am saying is that you're cynically using Accyweb as a propaganda tool for your own ends...but I suppose time will tell.

Bernard Dawson 06-02-2009 23:05
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676753)
No, what I am saying is that you're cynically using Accyweb as a propaganda tool for your own ends...but I suppose time will tell.
What ends are them? All I thought I was doing was joining in the debate on various issues. Whether people know my real name is not a big issue for me.

All I ask is that others do the same.

garinda 06-02-2009 23:09
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 676753)
No, what I am saying is that you're cynically using Accyweb as a propaganda tool for your own ends...but I suppose time will tell.
Everyone has that opportunity.

No forum rules are being broken.

Every councillor has the right to post here.

Sadly it seems that only one party has the courage to join the debate.

I'd love some of the other parties to have the balls to use this local forum to discuss issues that are important to people, rather than hearing their thoughts second hand through one of their friends.

It wouldn't matter a fig to me what they called themselves.

I'd be more interested in hearing what they said, than the name they'd chosen to be known by.

cashman 06-02-2009 23:10
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that will do fer me, seeing as i known the guy all my life.:D;)

katex 06-02-2009 23:30
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676761)
that will do fer me, seeing as i known the guy all my life.:D;)
Hahaha Cashy .. too much of a clue .. so must be 60 + then, Independent or Labour. Gives us a choice of three :-

Harry Grayson.
David Mason and ..
Malcolm Pritchard.

Know which one my money is on. :D

cashman 06-02-2009 23:31
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 676774)
Hahaha Cashy .. too much of a clue .. so must be 60 + then, Independent or Labour. Gives us a choice of three :-

Harry Grayson.
David Mason and ..
Malcolm Pritchard.

Know which one my money is on. :D
ya will never make a gambler kate.:D

katex 06-02-2009 23:38
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676775)
ya will never make a gambler kate.:D
Well, only one left Bernard Dawson, he must be about 60 now ... and lived up the road from you, but somehow can't see you latching on to him in your youth. :D

cashman 06-02-2009 23:46
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ya can fish all night kate.:D cashys saying begger all, if you knew, ya would be as wise as me.:p

katex 06-02-2009 23:53
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676782)
ya can fish all night kate.:D cashys saying begger all, if you knew, ya would be as wise as me.:p
Well, doesn't really matter to me Cashy .. agree with Garinda about anonymity anyway.

Think your backing down though now .. you already said enough by saying you know who it is, should have not opened yer gob in the first place .. so course we are going to wind you up to get tongue loosened... LOL

Whatever, think Robert Owen is a useful poster.

cashman 06-02-2009 23:59
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wind cashy up........:rofl38::rofl38: more chance of a rabbi joining Hamas.:D

garinda 07-02-2009 00:02
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676790)
wind cashy up........:rofl38::rofl38: more chance of a rabbi joining Hamas.:D
Traditionally the Hammers have a lot of Jewish fans.

(Ok, taxi for Garinda.)

:o:D

cashman 07-02-2009 00:03
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 676791)
Traditionally the Hammers have a lot of Jewish fans.

(Ok, taxi for Garinda.)

:o:D
sure ya don't mean spurs?:D

garinda 07-02-2009 09:18
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 676792)
sure ya don't mean spurs?:D
Yes, but Spurs doesn't sound like Hamas.:p

Wynonie Harris 07-02-2009 09:20
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 676760)
I'd love some of the other parties to have the balls to use this local forum to discuss issues that are important to people, rather than hearing their thoughts second hand through one of their friends.
Quite right and I've argued before with the poster formerly known as Cyfr about the fact that Tory councillors won't show their faces on here. Gave up in the end as they obviously don't have the bottle.

As for the mysterious Robert Owen, I'm obviously in a minority of one on this one, so I'll quit while I'm behind. My money's on Bernard Dawson but that's because he's the only Labour councillor I know simply because of seeing his face on the Clayton End. Don't supppose it matters in the end.

Bernard Dawson 07-02-2009 10:24
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 676774)
Hahaha Cashy .. too much of a clue .. so must be 60 + then, Independent or Labour. Gives us a choice of three :-

Harry Grayson.
David Mason and ..
Malcolm Pritchard.

Know which one my money is on. :D
Katex Just out of interest which one of those do you think I am?

katex 07-02-2009 11:58
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676853)
Katex Just out of interest which one of those do you think I am?
LOL .. not saying .. but seek and ye shall find.

MargaretR 07-02-2009 12:02
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 676883)
LOL .. not saying .. but seek and ye shall find.
DANGER - Stalker alert :D

jaysay 07-02-2009 14:12
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 676853)
Katex Just out of interest which one of those do you think I am?
I'll hav a punt, Bernard Dawson, and if I'm right I'm very disoppinted, because having known Bernard from school days I always thought he was an upfront sort of a guy.:(

Bernard Dawson 07-02-2009 19:06
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 676929)
I'll hav a punt, Bernard Dawson, and if I'm right I'm very disoppinted, because having known Bernard from school days I always thought he was an upfront sort of a guy.:(
It's not a bad guess. What exactly have I not been upfront about? The vast majority of people on Accy Web don't use their real name,and I have no problem with that.

I joined Accy Web to join in the debate on local issues. As for as I know there are three other Councillors who post on Accy Web,all of them Labour.

I would hope jaysay that you could use your influence within the local Conservative Party to persuade Conservative Councillors to join in the debate on local issues that matter to people.

Royboy39 07-02-2009 21:30
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677014)
It's not a bad guess. What exactly have I not been upfront about? The vast majority of people on Accy Web don't use their real name,and I have no problem with that.

I joined Accy Web to join in the debate on local issues. As for as I know there are three other Councillors who post on Accy Web,all of them Labour.

I would hope jaysay that you could use your influence within the local Conservative Party to persuade Conservative Councillors to join in the debate on local issues that matter to people.
Why.......you are managing to spin you theories and bullshine on your own.
Defend your corner on the current situation and let Accweb members take pot shots at you.

Bernard Dawson 07-02-2009 23:56
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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 677058)
Why.......you are managing to spin you theories and bullshine on your own.
Defend your corner on the current situation and let Accweb members take pot shots at you.
I am happy to do that, but as a local councillor I am also interested in what people think we the council should be doing to improve Hyndburn.

Accy Web it seems to me provides an excellent discussion format to discuss views on how Hyndburn can be improved.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a political slanging match.

cashman 08-02-2009 00:25
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677094)
I am happy to do that, but as a local councillor I am also interested in what people think we the council should be doing to improve Hyndburn.

Accy Web it seems to me provides an excellent discussion format to discuss views on how Hyndburn can be improved.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a political slanging match.
nice one, but ya can slang a little,tell roy to get stuffed.:D

Gayle 08-02-2009 08:56
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677094)
Accy Web it seems to me provides an excellent discussion format to discuss views on how Hyndburn can be improved.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a political slanging match.
I agree, and that's why it is a shame that Conservative Councillors don't sign up. But I think that they think they would get a barracking from the other members on here and they possibly would but equally they'd be able to get their views over. Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean that they don't respect the debate.

Neil 08-02-2009 08:58
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 677159)
Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean that they don't respect the debate.
That is true for most of our members ;)

garinda 08-02-2009 08:59
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 677159)
I agree, and that's why it is a shame that Conservative Councillors don't sign up. But I think that they think they would get a barracking from the other members on here and they possibly would but equally they'd be able to get their views over. Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean that they don't respect the debate.
Perhaps it's because everyone's equal on here, and they'd find that too challenging.

Neil 08-02-2009 09:06
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 677161)
Perhaps it's because everyone's equal on here, and they'd find that too challenging.
I have met several Councillors and find them to be normal people just like you and I. Well if you can call us normal that is. The only people that I have noticed who don't appear to view them as equals are Council Officers :D

lancsdave 08-02-2009 09:07
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 677163)
Well if you can call us normal that is.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

garinda 08-02-2009 09:19
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 677163)
I have met several Councillors and find them to be normal people just like you and I. Well if you can call us normal that is. The only people that I have noticed who don't appear to view them as equals are Council Officers :D
Greg Pope manages to air his views, and join in the debate about issues we care about, without diminishing his gravitas as a serious politican.

Perhaps councillors who apparently resort to calling fellow councillors 'silly cows', don't trust themselves not to make 'vicous and vile attacks' on other members on here.

:rolleyes::D

andrewb 08-02-2009 10:06
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677014)
It's not a bad guess. What exactly have I not been upfront about? The vast majority of people on Accy Web don't use their real name,and I have no problem with that.

I joined Accy Web to join in the debate on local issues. As for as I know there are three other Councillors who post on Accy Web,all of them Labour.

I would hope jaysay that you could use your influence within the local Conservative Party to persuade Conservative Councillors to join in the debate on local issues that matter to people.
Do you think its appropriate for councillors to anonymously write to the paper on political issues? I see no difference here. Who are you? You've admitted you're a councillor, you may as well come up with a name. Anyone is free to hide behind a username on Accringtonweb, but as a councillor arguing political issues I'd hope you would have the morals to come out with who you are.

Taggy 08-02-2009 10:18
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 677195)
Do you think its appropriate for councillors to anonymously write to the paper on political issues? I see no difference here. Who are you? You've admitted you're a councillor, you may as well come up with a name. Anyone is free to hide behind a username on Accringtonweb, but as a councillor arguing political issues I'd hope you would have the morals to come out with who you are.
I'm assuming Jaysay's guess at Bernard Dawson is correct!!....Just very surprised that Bernard has moved with the times and got a Computer!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

cashman 08-02-2009 10:30
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 677195)
Do you think its appropriate for councillors to anonymously write to the paper on political issues? I see no difference here. Who are you? You've admitted you're a councillor, you may as well come up with a name. Anyone is free to hide behind a username on Accringtonweb, but as a councillor arguing political issues I'd hope you would have the morals to come out with who you are.
do you think its appropiate to make a issue out of someone joining accyweb under a username? that seems to me typical of idealist tory tactics, deflect from the real issues of the day n dispute sod all.:rolleyes:

Gayle 08-02-2009 11:19
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 677200)
do you think its appropiate to make a issue out of someone joining accyweb under a username? that seems to me typical of idealist tory tactics, deflect from the real issues of the day n dispute sod all.:rolleyes:
That's usually Andrew's tactic - deflect the issue along with blaming Labour for doing it first and the saying the Tories are ok if they do it because Labour have done it first and try to make Labour out to be hypocrites. :D

Is Bernard posting under a different name much different from Andrew posting information fed to him by someone else? ;):D

Bernard Dawson 08-02-2009 12:40
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taggy (Post 677198)
I'm assuming Jaysay's guess at Bernard Dawson is correct!!....Just very surprised that Bernard has moved with the times and got a Computer!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy
Taggy Having a computer, and knowing out to use a computer is two different things. But you are right if I have progressed to a computer, then there is clearly hope for everybody.

Bernard Dawson 08-02-2009 12:46
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 677195)
Do you think its appropriate for councillors to anonymously write to the paper on political issues? I see no difference here. Who are you? You've admitted you're a councillor, you may as well come up with a name. Anyone is free to hide behind a username on Accringtonweb, but as a councillor arguing political issues I'd hope you would have the morals to come out with who you are.
Are you paying attention Andrew. I thought I had said who I was.

andrewb 08-02-2009 12:59
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677257)
Are you paying attention Andrew. I thought I had said who I was.
So you've admitted you're Bernard Dawson then?

Can you explain why you're writing in 3rd person (you posted saying your name was Robert), and yet praising yourself as a councillor? Do you think this is what councillors should be doing, would you do this in the Accrington Observer?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen
I have told that the labour councillors in Peel Ward Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones refused to have anything to do with the calender because it was being funded by the Council and not the individual Councillors

Bernard Dawson 08-02-2009 13:15
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 677262)
So you've admitted you're Bernard Dawson then?

Can you explain why you're writing in 3rd person (you posted saying your name was Robert), and yet praising yourself as a councillor? Do you think this is what councillors should be doing, would you do this in the Accrington Observer?
Andrew. I accept that in the early posts I Indulged in some political mischief, but I'm not alone in that. As the Bible says Andrew let him without sin throw the first stone.

garinda 08-02-2009 14:09
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
'The Oswaldtwistle one has a nice photo of the Council Leader Peter Britcliffe and a young girl. She is Olivier Walmsley, Brian Walmsley's granddaughter. Apparently she got a swing in the park because she wrote a letter to the local councillor.

Scaitcliffe Notes

Dear Grandad.....

Eric 08-02-2009 16:45
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 677266)
Andrew. I accept that in the early posts I Indulged in some political mischief, but I'm not alone in that. As the Bible says Andrew let him without sin throw the first stone.
And as the stone hits some poor guy in the pumpkin, JC turns around and says to the little old lady who cast it: "Mother, sometimes you just pee me right off";)

Eric 08-02-2009 16:47
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
By the way, what exactly is a "council leader"? Is it like a mayor without the title; or, does he just lead the political majority in the council?

Still can't get used to the idea of political parties in local government.

Gayle 08-02-2009 16:51
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
No, it's not like a Mayor. We have a Mayor as well - these are alternately Labour and Conservative and they chair council meetings and attend events.

The council leader is the leader of the winning party and therefore has the majority of councillors on the council.

Eric 08-02-2009 16:57
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 677334)
No, it's not like a Mayor. We have a Mayor as well - these are alternately Labour and Conservative and they chair council meetings and attend events.

The council leader is the leader of the winning party and therefore has the majority of councillors on the council.
Ta ... (see, my English is improving).

And one more little question: is the Mayor elected as Mayor; or is s/he elected as councillor and then chosen as Mayor.

Gayle 08-02-2009 17:00
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
The Mayor is selected from the councillors - alternate Labour and Conservative is just an agreement that they've come to over the years. I think each party puts someone forward when it's their turn.

So you have to be elected as a Councillor and then wait for your 'turn' to be Mayor. It's usually someone who's been on the Council for a few years and often someone who has decided to step down at the next election (but not always).

claytonender 08-02-2009 17:02
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Posted via Mobile Device
Eric, the Mayor is a long serving Councillor, who is elected by their fellow councillors. They serve as Mayor for 12 months. The Mayor is formally elected at the AGM of the council in May every year.

Gayle 08-02-2009 17:27
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Yes, Eric take Claytonender's word for it, she knows the system better than me.

claytonender 09-02-2009 11:40
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 675921)
Yet another political jibe at an elected councillor and leader.
I would go hell for leather at your leader who inherited the post by default. GB I mean.
Maybe you would volunteer to pack his bags when he vacates No 10.
It would appear that most of the electorate in Hyndburn don't take your view? :rolleyes:
I wasn't aware that Gordon Brown was responsible for the production and delivery of the Area council calendars. :confused:

garinda 09-02-2009 12:03
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 677622)
I wasn't aware that Gordon Brown was responsible for the production and delivery of the Area council calendars. :confused:
It's best to treat some people like an attention seeking child, just ignore them.

It doesn't help with their low self esteem, but hey who cares, it does work.;)

Royboy39 09-02-2009 12:34
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 677622)
I wasn't aware that Gordon Brown was responsible for the production and delivery of the Area council calendars. :confused:
Did I say so? or that your qualified polical assumption? :rolleyes:

Royboy39 09-02-2009 12:37
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 677627)
It's best to treat some people like an attention seeking child, just ignore them.

It doesn't help with their low self esteem, but hey who cares, it does work.;)
Tit for Tat from the brat............:)

MargaretR 09-02-2009 12:51
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A book for your birthday on June 11th

Royboy39 09-02-2009 14:36
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 677641)
A book for your birthday on June 11th
Dont need books but a bottle of Captain Morgan Rum will go down very well. :)

Eric 09-02-2009 17:36
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 677351)
Yes, Eric take Claytonender's word for it, she knows the system better than me.
Thanks guys; I think I get it now .... :)

claytonender 09-02-2009 20:49
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Posted via Mobile Device
Eric
Glad to hopefully have been some help in helping you understand how local government works in England. If you want to ask any more questions I will try to answer them.

Eric 10-02-2009 03:38
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 677815)
Posted via Mobile Device
Eric
Glad to hopefully have been some help in helping you understand how local government works in England. If you want to ask any more questions I will try to answer them.
Thanx ... but as I read some of the posts on here, I wonder more about "if it works" than "how it works.";):D

Still think that taking the bickerings of party politics out of local govt. would be a good idea ... but, that's a foreign opinion.:eek:

garinda 12-02-2009 17:30
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Two more letters are printed in this weekend's Observer, from members of the public apparently unhappy that they've indirectly funded calendars that they didn't want or need.

garinda 28-12-2009 00:16
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 675771)
So I am led to believe, the Probation Service delivered the calendars in Ossy.
Count yourself lucky if you ain't had a calendar.

You haven't been cased...yet.

garinda 28-12-2009 00:23
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 675908)

I don't recall the last time I kept a Christmas card for a year, where as calendars are very useful, especially when they have your democratically elected representatives details on them.

Whatever your views, whether you think the calendars are a waste of money or not, it's not Tory propaganda. Might be a waste of money if you think that, fair enough.
At least this year andrewb has joined the majority of us, who think the calendars are a total waste of tax payer's money per se, irrespective of the details on them.

:rolleyes:

andrewb 28-12-2009 09:50
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 772627)
At least this year andrewb has joined the majority of us, who think the calendars are a total waste of tax payer's money per se, irrespective of the details on them.

:rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb
Actually. The calendars were a waste of money. I take it all back.
Now was that really worth bumping an old thread over? :D

cashman 28-12-2009 09:53
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772675)
Now was that really worth bumping an old thread over? :D
i think so its cracked me up.:D

jaysay 28-12-2009 09:54
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772675)
Now was that really worth bumping an old thread over? :D
Never mind Andrew, I had contemplated starting a Jones monthly,but he's such a boring fart there'd be nothing to right about:D

garinda 28-12-2009 10:00
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772675)
Now was that really worth bumping an old thread over? :D
Sadly, because of the financially free and easy actions of some of our councillors, many points are still relevant, and will continue to be so, until they realise people don't want their hard earned taxes wasted on God damn awful calendars, plastered with photographs of the arrogant sods.

Though it was nice to see you doing a completes U-turn this time last year, but didn't then seem to be criticising those councillors who didn't want anything to do with this shameful waste of money.

The laddie's not for turning.

Oh yes he is!

garinda 28-12-2009 10:06
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 772678)
Never mind Andrew, I had contemplated starting a Jones monthly,but he's such a boring fart there'd be nothing to right about:D
If a 'boring fart' is someone who doesn't appear to be a megalomaniac, I agree, it'd be harder to write something bad about them.

At least you can light a match to get rid of a fart.

I think a silver stake would be needed to get rid of the other.

andrewb 28-12-2009 10:09
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 772681)
Sadly, because of the financially free and easy actions of some of our councillors, many points are still relevant, and will continue to be so, until they realise people don't want their hard earned taxes wasted on God damn awful calendars, plastered with photographs of the arrogant sods.

Though it was nice to see you doing a completes U-turn this time last year, but didn't then seem to be criticising those councillors who didn't want anything to do with this shameful waste of money.

The laddie's not for turning.

Oh yes he is!
Quite easy to forget the additional waste Labour have created by rejecting being on the calendar when you have gems like this last year:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen
I recently received a calender through my door from the local area council. Does anybody know why the calender only features the names and pictures of Conservative Councillors?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen
I have told that the labour councillors in Peel Ward Bernard Dawson and Graham Jones refused to have anything to do with the calender because it was being funded by the Council and not the individual Councillors

Apparently they thought the money could be better spent on projects in Peel and Barnfield.
An undercover Labour councillor (Bernard Dawson) posting under a name other than his own under the pretence of being a curious resident to do some political point scoring. :D

cashman 28-12-2009 10:16
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772689)
Quite easy to forget the additional waste Labour have created by rejecting being on the calendar when you have gems like this last year:





An undercover Labour councillor (Bernard Dawson) posting under a name other than his own under the pretence of being a curious resident to do some political point scoring. :D
maybe so, but they seem to be still of same opinion,unlike you.:D and at least what ya highlighted was righted n they do post on here, unlike the spineless one.:rolleyes:

garinda 28-12-2009 10:18
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
How is it 'additional waste'?

A waste of money is a waste of money, full stop.

Yeah it's odd when people don't post under their own name, even though it's allowed, and most people chose to post under a nom-de-plume, or even weirder write in the third person, almost as if if someone else is posting for them, as happened with Peter Britcliffe/TheLeadersOfficeHBC.

Or when Jaysay used to have a different username, and used to write to the press about the 'vile and vicious attacks' against his little pal Peter on this forum. Good to see he's never resorted to attacking anyone he opposes on here.

;)

andrewb 28-12-2009 10:21
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 772695)
maybe so, but they seem to be still of same opinion,unlike you.:D and at least what ya highlighted was righted n they do post on here, unlike the spineless one.:rolleyes:
Luckily for the other councillors I don't vote based on whether they post on Accringtonweb. Mainly because I can contact my local councillors whenever I like.

I am still of the same opinion cashman. It's a total waste of money, as I said in the other thread. Just because I didn't spot Labours waste last year doesn't mean I have uturned. :rolleyes:

garinda 28-12-2009 10:26
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772700)
Luckily for the other councillors I don't vote based on whether they post on Accringtonweb.
It's a good job, as it would rather limit your options, seeing as there's only one Conservative councillor posting under their own name, and she's been quiet for quite some time...almost as if she's been gagged.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zeiwDnBbNz...27s+bridle.png

andrewb 28-12-2009 10:27
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 772698)
How is it 'additional waste'?

A waste of money is a waste of money, full stop.
Things have value.

If you print £500 worth of calendars with some councillors details on, and then you print £500 worth of calendars with all the councillors details on, then the second one is going to be more valuable to residents.

In either case it's the same monetary waste of £500, which should never have been wasted in the first place and well done to Labour for opposing said waste.

They knew however that a calendar was being produced. Of the two calendars mentioned earlier, they caused the first one to be produced by refusing to be included on them, which had less value to residents.

Spending £500 and producing something that is less valuable than it could be, means both parties are to blame here. The Tories for spending the money and Labour for making the calendar less valuable and useful to residents.

garinda 28-12-2009 10:31
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
It's a waste of tax payer's money, full stop.

Even more so when not everyone receives one.

This year is apparently the first time Gayle has received one.

Two close members of my family, also resident in Oswaldtwistle, have never receieved one, ever.

I guess I'm just unlucky to have had one every year, for the past three.

MargaretR 28-12-2009 10:33
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
'less valuable':confused:
I thought that the consensus here was that it had no value whatsoever

andrewb 28-12-2009 10:35
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 772706)
It's a waste of tax payer's money, full stop.

Even more so when not everyone receives one.

This year is apparently the first time Gayle has received one.

Two close members of my family, also resident in Oswaldtwistle, have never receieved one, ever.

I guess I'm just unlucky to have had one every year, for the past three.
I agree it's a waste. I also can never recall receiving one. It's a shame you can't see the mistakes of both sides though rather than just the Tories.

Margaret, to some people these calendars will be useful. Although the cost is not worth paying, now that it has been paid it's important that the most residents make use of it as possible. Labour refusing to have details on has made them less useful to those residents.

garinda 28-12-2009 10:36
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 772707)
'less valuable':confused:
I thought that the consensus here was that it had no value whatsoever
Though someone did mention earlier they'd used one to line a kitty liter tray.

I think the photographs on the calendars would induce the most constipated of cats to go.

jaysay 28-12-2009 10:38
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772702)
Things have value.

If you print £500 worth of calendars with some councillors details on, and then you print £500 worth of calendars with all the councillors details on, then the second one is going to be more valuable to residents.

In either case it's the same monetary waste of £500, which should never have been wasted in the first place and well done to Labour for opposing said waste.

They knew however that a calendar was being produced. Of the two calendars mentioned earlier, they caused the first one to be produced by refusing to be included on them, which had less value to residents.

Spending £500 and producing something that is less valuable than it could be, means both parties are to blame here. The Tories for spending the money and Labour for making the calendar less valuable and useful to residents.
Ain't it marvelous that Rindi and friends drone on about a £500 calendar, yet are quite happy to stay silent about billions of pounds worth of debt this poxy government have saddled use with, I've notices not too man of the elected left and their sycophants have anything to say about this unmitigated disaster inflicted on this country, and yet the borrowing still goes on and on and on. Only this morning Its been reported that if Gordon hadn't sold our gold stocks off at rock bottom prices we would have been £10 million better of, mind you when you have a government borrowing around £20 billion every month, £10 billion is peanuts in the real scheme of things

garinda 28-12-2009 10:41
Re: Britcliffe monthly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 772709)
I agree it's a waste. I also can never recall receiving one. It's a shame you can't see the mistakes of both sides though rather than just the Tories.

Margaret, to some people these calendars will be useful. Although the cost is not worth paying, now that it has been paid it's important that the most residents make use of it as possible. Labour refusing to have details on has made them less useful to those residents.
Not being a member of any political party, or always voting for the same party, my stance is purely non-partisan.

I applaud those councillors who refused to take part, because they too think it's a stupid waste of tax payer's money, and I deride the other councillors, who yet again have decided to fritter away public funds on this extravagant folly.


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