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Yes it would Neil but most criminals re-offend and those non criminals who want to can volunteer and those that don’t want their DNA in a national database can opt out.

Seems fair to me.

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Spot on, I tried to say a lot of this, but don't really have the time to make long posts anymore.. :p

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Seems stupid to me, I always assumed that you were an intelligent man. Seems I was wrong. Going by your thinking please can I opt out of having my car registration number being recorded, I am not a criminal and do not wish to volunteer to have it recorded.

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[Quote Jambutty]- By the way there are also wayward mothers.

Compared with wayward fathers, there is usually a clue as to who the babies mother is. It's usually belonging the nearest vagina. If it isn't, and the baby is not given to the right mother, a simple DNA test would soon rectify this.;)

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N.B. The man that raped a young woman in Billinge Woods in Blackburn ten years ago, was today found guilty and sentenced of that and another sex attack, all due to evidence provided by advances in DNA.

Don't talk to me about percentages of the population that may be convicted criminals. This one conviction is evidence to me that some evil bastards will be kept locked away from the public for at least a while.

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So because we didn't/don't have a DNA database another poor lady had to be subjected to that terrible ordeal. If such things had existed he would have been caught after his first offence.

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Yup. A lot of these old cold cases are now being reopened because more arrested criminals are having their DNA tested against unsolved crimes. There was another case were a man was found guilty in Yorkshire last month on similar DNA evidence.

If the people who object had had their wives/mothers/sisters/girlfriends attacked because some sad inadequte was allowed to go on offending, because we don't have a national DNA data base which would quicken arrests, would they change their minds?

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It's a tiny percentage now because rape crimes very rarely get reported, if there was a national database of DNA maybe more victims of this crime would be willing to report it to the police, feeling more confident of a conviction.

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How the buggerin' hell are civil liberties being infringed?

No one has given me one acceptable valid reason yet, and I said earlier I would be the first one to bleat on about it if it did infringe significantly on our civil liberties.

Perhaps we should do away with all immigration visas and passports, because having to have one of those infringes on our precious civil liberties?

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That evil bastard Shaun Greenwood was convicted of raping that poor lass in her own home in Gt Harwood due to his DNA. He was originally arrested because he stole his 3rd victims mobile and used it which they traced back to him but his DNA connected him to his 2 previous rapes.

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Dental records.

Medical records.

Bank account.

Credit card account.

Driving licence.

Store cards.

Passports.

Mobile phones.

CCTV.

We are already tracked nearly every minute of the day. I really don't see how having us all on a national data base for our DNA will make any difference to innocent people's lives, or infringe on our civil liberties.

If just one poor person is saved from being raped/murdered by some sick bastard, or one person with amnesia is reunited with a worried family, or one family is able to have a body to bury after some terrible terrorist attack...it is in my opinion worth it.

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Is there really a need to get personal Neil? But then that’s what some people do when they don’t have a coherent argument to put forward.

Your analogy of the car registration number is not valid because car number plates can be sold on to another owner. DNA cannot! In any case the registration of a car number plate to a vehicle and the owner of that vehicle is a legal requirement backed by the laws of the land. There is no legal requirement to submit yourself to give a DNA sample and long may it stay that way.

garinda – you and others, have your opinion about DNA databases and I accept that you are entitled to voice it and put forward your arguments justifying your opinion. Quoting individual cases out of a population of some 60 million doesn’t do a great deal to get the ‘opposition’ to change their viewpoint. In fact it could be seen as scraping the barrel in an attempt to justify your opinion on the issue.

But I, and others who object to a DNA database, are equally entitled to utter their views on the issue and ne’er the two shall agree. Thus I would suggest that we agree to disagree.

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I am sorry if diagreeing with your idea is too personal for you. Would you like me to come round and wrap you up in cotton wool?

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You may accuse me of scraping the barrel, though I stand by my claim that if having a national DNA database stops just one person from being murdered and/or raped it is worth it, at least I gave an example to defend my point of view.

None of the people who think it would infringe our civil liberties, have given no example to illustrate how our liberties would be impeded.

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Nicely put Rindy.

And perhaps the percentage of criminals would rise as more are convicted. It's like saying there isn't much crime because we don't catch many crimnals.