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It was mentioned in a thread last night (see link at the bottom), that because somebody mentioned that the people he was talking about were "", this made him a racist. And for that fact because some of us agreed with the point, this also made us racist.

I would like to point out to "POPPY" that i am not racist in any way what so ever. I have about 20 very close ASIAN friends (Pakistani & Indian), i also have black, Italian, Scottish, Irish, and Russian friends. So please tell me how i can be racist.

RACIST: Just to make POPPY happy, Most of the teenage drinkers in town are WHITE.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/welcome-accrington-grand-prix-24467.html

Please don't call somebody racist, when you don't even know them.

Rant over now. This is my 200th post in 5 weeks.

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shut up whitey :D :)

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Now, now. lol

:D

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There's nothing racist about noticing the ethnicity of the people in question. I once lived amongst USAF personnel and their families and we had a similar problem with the American teenagers who were a bit exuberant and tended to disturb the peace from time to time. Everyone said, "The American kids are a bit of a nuisance". Was it racist? If so, I'm guilty.

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No it's not racist and I wish people would get out of this habit of apologising for using a Pakistani persons ethnicity. If you had said Asian drivers that would include all Asian nationalities and how often do we see Chinese people flying about in supped up cars.

The fact of the matter is there are some Pakistani drivers out there that are probably excellent drivers, but then you get the minority, usually younger Pakistani males, who have little regard for other road users.

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"ASIAN friends (Pakistani & Indian), i also have black, Italian, Scotish, Irish, and Russian friends. So please tell me how i can be racist"

Hmmmmm, no american friends eh mate?:rolleyes: Sounds pretty racist to me!:)
Alright, I'll be a pal if you care to add "us" to your list!

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Chav, that is TOO funny! (or I guess it's lmaofl or something or other!)

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Two T's in Scottish. ;) I do not consider myself racist then on a bad day with all the ethnic interactions I have at work then I would be guilty of racial stereotyping ie; Hungarian drivers are barmy is that Dutchman stoned his reversing is dreadfull Is that Croation security dude has a mouth like a sewer etc etc etc .

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*L* obviously not been to mancheser lately

chinese guys have some of the phattest rides going - the amount of souping up they do is unbelievable not to mention the whole souping up for road motors came from the orient/japan to the point nissan designed the skyline model for the sole purpose of souping up with its incredible road power followed closely by subaru which altered its rally car for road usage.

watch fast and furious - tokyo drift - that stuff isnt just stuff they've decided to put into movies - in tokyo police close whole districts for this stuff its so popular.

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Is that chicken, sweetcorn and noodle souped up cars?

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Live and let live my friend, be true to your own beliefs and let other less informed individuals just **** right off.

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Ninety nine point one of a human beings genes are the same, point one per cent are different, it mighn't be the pigment of their skin, the shape of the face, or the way they speak, to quote from ex President Clinton, the South African people have a saying "I am because you are". As he said it is less expensive to educate a nation than it is to make war on them.
Not my words but Bill Clintons, these words answer all racist arguments.
You said am I a Racist, only you can answer that.

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Racist......the most overused term in the lexicon. And the majority of people can't even define what it means!

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I see no racism. There is nothing wrong with pointing out a persons race.
Before I read this whole racism thing, I was about to post saying, theres a load of white modded car users at mcdonalds car park right now :p

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I'm ok, some of my best friends are.......car drivers.;)

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What makes that post seem racist is the fact that you sid it isn't, it draws attention to the fact that you're mentioning race. All it's doing in reality is labeling them into a group. There are lots of groups, Pakistanis, poles, chinese, men, women, chavs.
The question should be, why are they mainly pakistani or asian drivers. There's obviously some relevance if they are mainly asians.

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don't know who you are accyjay but i do not think you are racist, most folk that are called racist by knowalls, are more often than not just people who call a spade a spade, something that is beyond the grasp of the P.C.brigade. but its something ive come to expect these days.:(

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Non of "us " are racist.. he he.. or is it predudice? I do know of members of this site that shall we say do like to state race and colour when posting.. in defence of silverman I doubt anything along those lines, I think you are being to quick to judge people poppy.. its early days..

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willow .i thought a shovel was the one with the small handle for when we had the good old coal fire ......sorry off thread .......but there you go !!!!

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Wow. I certainly didn't expect the old (I am not a racist I have lots of asian friends) line. that is a classic racist response.

I do think you have all ganged up and over reacted though. For anyone who is really upset then I apologise.

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Appology accepted.

Some of my best friends are poppies.;)

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What everyone has tried to tell you is that they see people as people but, in the particular, relevant post, there was an identifiable group. Suppose the group mentioned had been young women aged 22. Would you have been so quick to yell "Anti-youth Mysoganist!"? No, I doubt you would. And if I were to say that some of my friends are 22 year-old women would there be an equivalent label to Racist that you could put on me?

It isn't those who see a trend amongst a particular section of Society who cause friction. It's those see any reference to an ethnic minority group as, somehow, derogatory and wrong. Your remarks contribute to, and exacerbate, mistrust and ill-feeling between races and cultures.

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You can't half pick'em

LOL

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Pickin' 'em's fine...its when you try to smoke them the trouble starts.:D

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oh my god. what have I just read. you actually posted that. you have to stop and think coloured people are human beings.

disgusted!

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OK Poppy, have you got it yet?

I have friends of different races.
I do not stop to think what race each person is.
Why? because FIRST AND FOREMOST THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS.
Geddit?
I said ALL of my friends are human beings.
I didn't say that I have to stop to remind myself that they are human beings!
I said that I have to stop to remind myself what ethnic origin they are IF anyone else raises the subject.

You neatly left out the following sentence when you were quotiing me out of context:

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One mixed race family I have to think hard to remember which one of the parents is which

which illustrates what I have just said. A family which is friends with our family is of mixed race. It is so irrelevant to me which parent is which race that when anyone actually asks I have to stop and think about it before answering!

I see only one racist in this thread Poppy and that is you for ever assuming that anyone could consider others of a different ethnic background to be anything other than human beings.

Do you understand it yet or are you still going to quote me out of context, twist what I have said and call me racist?

I am deeply offended.:mad:

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In your eye's the Poppy. When one of my asian friends refers to me as "the white guy" over there to one of his friends, he's being racist too?

The fact of the matter is that he is merely pointing out a FACT.

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When my youngest daughter was at Springhill her best friend there was a Palestinian girl. The friend came to me one day and said "I wish I had white skin. White skin is better than brown skin." I was gobsmacked and asked her why she thought that. She looked at me in her childish innocence and said "When I draw on my legs you can't see it as good as when Em draws on hers!" !!! :D

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How can i be racist, when my girlfriend is Irish & i'm English?

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lol .......................

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its all bollox..

im white they are brown /black or whatever, i dont get offended when i get called a white guy,so long as its meant in the right way as it was in this thread when jay said pakistanis.

IF it was being used in a racist context then im sure the people on here would have let jay know that, as this site is their baby (so to speak)....

so poppy i think that you are blowing this whole thread out of proportion and making a mountain out of a molehill IMO..:mad: :mad: :mad:

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Hmmmm.....I've always viewed being racist as treating people differently primarily because of their race or ethnicity, rather than as individuals. Also, racism would include making generalizations (especially derogatory ones) about someone based on the same factors.

There are often gray areas....for instance, suppose I hold a fundraising event and notice that someone is wearing, say, jewelry with the Star of David. If I alert them to the fact that one of the dishes being served contains pork or shellfish (both non-Kosher foods) am I being considerate or racist? If I open the door for a lady, am I being polite or sexist?

Frankly, the various "isms," while are often very real, sometimes only exist in the eye of the beholder. It's probably best not to take offense unless you are sure that the offense was intentional. If it is unintentional, either let it it pass or express your concerns to the individual quitely and privately.

Treat folks as individuals, give them respect and try to follow the Golden Rule (even if they don't), and you'll do pretty well!

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I started the thread, but i was refering to another post. It wasn't me that initially used the term "Pakistani".

Thanks for the support though. :D

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/welcome-accrington-grand-prix-24467.html

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Human beings? Now there is a group that causes all sorts of problems!:rolleyes:

Of course, they do some pretty nice things once in a while, too!

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lol. Now that's what i call politically correct & sitting on the fence

Sorry, i couldn't resist.

:D

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ahhhh well who ever it was they were not bein racist just statin a fact :D

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Actually, I think it would be thoughtful to note any dish that contained alcoholic beverages as an ingredient - and not just for Mormons. There are a lot of folks who try to avoid it. Friends of Bill W., just to cite another large group.

Question, as long as we are on the topic. Suppose I were serving a hot dish where wine or beer had been used an an ingredient. The alcohol boils off quickly in the cooking, leaving only the flavor. Would that be a problem if served to a Mormon? Or, as I noted when at a Kiwanis convention in Salt Lake City, there are some Mormons who avoid caffeinated beverages. What if coffee was used in a recipe?

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Okay, we are quickly getting to the point where there are too many rules for non-members to remember. Often, it is better just to ask what is acceptable (as I do with Jewish friends, some of whom keep Kosher, some not) for that particular individual.

Thanks for the response!

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Well really it's up to the Mormon to be sure of what they are eating but if we do accidentally consume something we shouldn't because we don't know it's in there we are under no condemnation for that. :)

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I never could/can understand why this is thought to be a racist statement. Yes, you certainly could be racist even having some "ethnic" friends but why is it straight off to being a racist statement?

I really think, years ago, someone just started saying this as an opinion and it's been accepted as a fact "if you say the above, then you are absolutely racist." Pure cockamammy if ya ask me! (IMHO)

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We are all coloured poppy, its probably you who has a problem-get a life

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I know you didnt say that willow-thats why i was having a go at poppy,i was sticking up for you,not that you need me to.

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:) ta :) I've run out of karma to spread cos I've just given my daily quota but consider yourself smiled at.


I wonder if the non-painting types amongst us realise that so-called "flesh pink" is actually a pale brown? :D

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[quote=WillowTheWhisp]:) ta :) I've run out of karma to spread cos I've just given my daily quota but consider yourself smled at.tommorow will do;)

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Yes, Willow and all ACCYwebbers (including Jambutty:p ) LYY is just fine with me!

Brian

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Does calling myself a stupid English idiot constitute being racist?

Only asking because after much mind knumbing ccognitation This stupid English idiot thinks it would be under poppy's train of thought. :eek: :o

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Ah but can you actually be racist against yourself? :D

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Thats the big question. Then again depending on were you are or which law court you are in you are not racist if you take a pop at the UK country constituents. So I could take a blast at the Northern Irish the Welsh And the Scots and not be rasist. So on that basis if a citizen is of 2nd generation Pakistani desent but born in say Norwich he is English hence how can it be racist?

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if that apology was sincere,i'm a dutchman. from what i have read theres only 1 racist on this thread and they don't even realise. sad really. P.S. if it really was sincere then fair do's.

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Had an e-mail sent to me about the obserdity of the racist carryon and might post it providing certain members dont take offence.

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Sent as a joke I think.

A US Navy cruiser is anchored in Mississippi for a week's shore leave.
The first evening, the ship's Captain received the following note from
the wife of a wealthy plantation owner:

"Dear Captain, Thursday will be my daughter Melinda's Debutante Ball.
I would like you to send four well mannered, handsome, unmarried
officers in their formal dress uniforms to attend the dance. They
should arrive promptly at 8:00 PM prepared for an evening of polite
Southern conversation. They should be excellent dancers, as they will
be the escorts of lovely refined young ladies. And one last point:
No Jews Please."

At precisely 8:00 PM on Thursday, Melinda's mother heard a polite rap
at the door which she opened to find, in full dress uniform, four
handsome, smiling black officers.

Her mouth fell open, but pulling herself together, she stammered,
"There must be some mistake."

"No, Madam," said the first officer. "Captain Goldberg never makes
mistakes."

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hee hee very good spuggie :p

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The moral as I see it is never prejudge unless willing to take the repricussions that will follow.

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"I am a racist and have no asian friends", now that is a classic racist response :D :engsmil: :D

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:wave8: see i'm not racist!

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Unless you're Asian, in which case you are Billy No Mates. :rolleyes:

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ok hows about this.
The poles are comin over here and knicking all our jobs because for some strange reason they can work for less than the minimum wage.

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Only if you now say you have some friends who are stupid English idiots!:Banane41:

Brian (white, anglo-saxon, protestant, german, northerner, southerner, east-coaster, etc):rolleyes:

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2 up here and one is def that when full of the demon drink (Polish Vodka). :D

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Poppy ! Is this a racist comment? Or is it a fact?

I also find it strange that a person calls somebody a racist, then only makes 3 comments in the thread. Is s/he (see profile) just trying to stir things up?

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I don't know if Madhatters post is racist but the employers sound like they may be Polist if they are specifically paying Polish workers less than the minimum wage. How are they getting away with it?

Any hope of Poppy apologising yet for misrepesenting me? To be falsely accused like that is verging on slander (or is it libel?) I'm 'libel' to get confused with those two the more I think about it. ;)

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6 pages of mutual back slapping and general ganging up on someone who has an opinion that is different. I lost count of the amount of posts calling me a racist.

May I ask one question before the next mass love in. Why is it OK to call me a racist and get a slap on the back but not OK for me to do it? Do I need some sort of funny handshake to be treated the same as everyone else ?

Lot's of insults to follow I guess.

Good bit of back peddling there willow. Yes coloured people are human. and they call me a racist. My racist crime was to ask why someone was pointing out bad drivers are pakistani. I just wanted to know why the nationality was used. Was that such a horrible question folks? Yet you post racist jokes , make racist comments and then follow it up by calling me a racist.


Step back and take a long hard look at yourselves. then turn to your fellow posters for comfort.

See you on Tuesday.

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I never said they were bad drivers. I said that the vast majority of Imprezas/evo's speeding round our streets were driven by pakistani's. Never mentioned anything about bad driving. Off you trot there a good lad.

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Poppy if you had read the post prior [quote] Had an e-mail sent to me about the obserdity of the racist carryon and might post it providing certain members dont take offence.Yesterday 20:18
you would see I had resevations about it causing offence. Also I later put [quote]

Yesterday 21:04SPUGGIE JThe moral as I see it is never prejudge unless willing to take the repricussions that will follow.

Being racist dosnt go on colour alone I should know being a white Englishman in Scotland of a Catholic family which has made me a target of bigotry and racism. Yet my father is a Scot and I myself am I suppose C of E so I am one on here who has been on the recieving end so I do not take it lightly especially the joke which does show the obserdity and presumption!! DONT TAKE POTSHOTS AT ME UNLESS YOU HAVE FACTS TO BACK IT UP!!!!!!

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The trouble is, Poppy, you haven't taken the time to read each post carefully. It was explained to you why the nationality was mentioned but you have chosen to ignore the explanation and accuse nearly everyone of racist sentiments. You also fanned the flames of people's anger and disgust by picking up on, and twisting, some of the innocent statements made. I can see why you feel the need to justify your first accusation but, on the basis of what you have been told, you would be wiser to accept that your accusation was rather wide of the mark and acknowledge it gracefully.

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Back peddling? :mad: I was annoyed before. Now I am downright fuming. I have not backpeddalled. I stand by my original statement 100%. YOU misrepresented what I said. I NEVER at any time suggested that anyone wasn't human.

If you were capable of taking off your blinkers for long enough to read it properly you would see that what I said was the exact opposite of what you claim I said. And no, I haven't editd it since. Face it. You misread it and then accused me of saying something I didn't say.

What I did say was that all people are first and formost human and that I actually have to stop and actively make myself think about their RACE before I can say how many are black, white or sky blue pink with yellow dots on. Got it yet? :mad::mad:

If you can't see your mistake then I can only assume that you are unable to actually read what is written under your nose.

I would have accepted your apology if you'd have offered one at this stage but to come back at me and insist that I have changed my views and back pedalled is adding insult to injury.:mad::mad::mad:

Has it not occurred to you that the reason everyone seems to disagree with you is not because we are all into mutual back slapping but that perhaps you might just possibly be wrong? Wrong about the original poster you accused of being racist, wrong about what I said and wrong about everything else you have said on the subject since then.

Incidentally I haven't a clue who the original poster is and have never met them in my life as far as I am aware. No ulterior motives in agreeing with their point of view apart from the fact that I agree with their point of view!

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Well as my grandad was polish i wondered if it's possible to be racist to your own race.

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As that makes you a quarter Polish maybe the other three quarters of you is racist? :D

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maybe i am at the moment to english and polish, both are being treated unfairly, polish have an unfair advantage being cheaper, and english are taking the **** paying em less. I wanna know why they are exempt from minimum wage, poor sods need two jobs to be able to afford to live.

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eight irish too and jewish, no wonder i'm mixed up lol

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Slander:
verb [T]
to damage someone's reputation by making a false spoken statement about them.

Libel:
noun [C or U]
a piece of writing which contains bad and false things about a person.

Hope this helps Willow. lol

:D

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With reference to the polish...i have spent a few hours researchin this and as far as i can tell the NMW (national minimum wage) Applies to UK workers irrelivant of their origin or color, be it pink white black yellow with green spots (couldnt resist it sorry). There are however some exceptions :

Apprentices.
Members of the armed forces.
Share fishermen.
Volunteer workers.
Prisoners employed during their sentence.
The self-employed.
Au pairs and nannies

I have also spoken about this to a director within a company i work 4 and he has a friend in the Inland revenue. Unfortunately he is on holiday in the SeaShells till this tuesday...when i find out the response ill post it as a matter of interest to anyone that is curious.

We live in a multi cultural society with freedom of speech... Its a common thing that people generalise and stereotype groups of people, but in my opinion its sadly not without some justification.Gypsies for instance (travellers if im being politically correct). Whats the first thing that comes into your head?Muslims?jews?Christians?whites?black?African-american etc etc.

Im not a racist at all, but i do hate religion and what it can do to people.

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I wouldn't say that it's religion to blame, just the interprretation of various aspects of religion.

Glad to see you managed to sort the quote box out. lol

:D

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I think its about time someone showed Poppy the secret Accy Web handshake, if we can spare a few minutes from back slapping each other.:D

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Poppy might be interested to know that I have only ever, as far as I know, met one other member of Accyweb - and I haven't seen her for over 45 years. I haven't had my back slapped yet but it sounds like it could be fun in the right circumstances, well at least, better my back than my face.

Now, about this handshake...........is it the one where you bend down and stick your right hand through your legs while doing a High Five with your left? :cool:

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So thats what you really do at the AccyWeb meetings ............. Practice your handshakes.

Now i get it. lol

:D

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I thought if I had two wooden spoons I could fashion some maracas, and play you all a tune.

I do a blindin' 'Shake, Rattle 'n' Roll'.:D

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[QUOTE=poppy]



Good bit of back peddling there willow. Yes coloured people are human. and they call me a racist. My racist crime was to ask why someone was pointing out bad drivers are pakistani. I just wanted to know why the nationality was used. Was that such a horrible question folks? Yet you post racist jokes , make racist comments and then follow it up by calling me a racist.-------------------------- talk about twisting whats been said, whats been pointed out is the MAJORITY of drivers tearing down some of our streets are pakistani youngsters, that is FACT not racist. and as for back slapping a few people on here certainly know me better than that,its you that seems to have a problem poppy,YOU NEED HELP.

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Saying 'colored' is in itself a racist term, according to chapter 3 of my Politically Correct Brigade Handbook.:D

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You'll have to let us all have a look at that. lol

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Is this like another accyweb witch hunt cos someones said something that most don't dissagree with?...
poppy asked why we were mentioning that they were asian cos she doesn't see why it's relevent, if its not relevent it would nbe racist so to her it seemed racist.
The argument between willowthe whisp and poppy is them missunderstanding each other, then making it worse trying to explain.

I think you should all give poppy karma for having the guts to have her own opinion and having the guts to come back when it seems all of us have sided against her. she has afterall created a thread 7 pages long with her comment.
and shes actually a rather nice lady in reality.

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Well actually no, Madhatter my complaint against Poppy is about being misquoted and being held up to be a racist and then being accused of backpeddalling when I pointed out the mistake. I can see nowhere at all where I have misquoted or misunderstood Poppy. As I said earlier if Poppy had been gracious enough then to accept that what I'd actually said wasn't what he'd thought I'd said I would have happily accepted that and all would have been forgotten as far as I was concerned but no, like a dog with a bone Poppy just had to blindly insist that I hadn't been misquoted, msrpresented or misunderstood but that I had changed my tune and (I quote) "backpeddalled" when I had done no such thing. THAT was when I became extremly angry rather than merely irritated.

Guts to have ones own opinion I fully support 100% whether I agree with the opinion or not, and in this case I actually do agree with the sentiment that there is no place for racism on this message board or anywhere else on the internet or in real life for that matter. In fact if you care to look back Roy has always been hot on dealing with racist comments here and has banned certain words from use on the board due to their racist implications.

The point is that I for one don't like being slagged off as a racist when I'm not and I'm sure that's exactly how others feel too.

I was willing to accept the original apology had I not been personally insulted subsequently. How woukd you feel if somebody took a post of yours, told the world that you'd said exactly the opposite and then proceeded to condemn you for what you didn't say? :mad: Yes I'm still a bit more than miffed and would appreciate a public apology on that one. Maybe then I'll consider granting a bit of karma for having the guts to stand up and admit he was wrong.


I find the last part of your post rather peculiar considering Poppy, according to his profile, is a 48 year old male. :D

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I don't know her, so can't comment on her being 'nice' in reality.

To me this place is real, and if I disagree with someone, I like everyone else, is free to post their reply to something anyone says they disagree with.

No witch hunt chum, just the majority of people disagreeing with the rather emotive issue that we were racist.

If anyone has strong views, just make sure you can defend your point of view.

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Lets wait and see what reply we get of poppy bfore we say anymore.