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Modelling:

So SLIM women aren't real women are they not?? :mad:

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Of course they are real women, though women sometimes so ill they have to be hospitalised, because of an illness that is fueled by a media were the ideal of female beauty means that women have the body of a prepubescent boy, is not what this day they are having is all about.

All women are beautiful.

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P.s. Gobby women are excluded from my ideal of beauty, as I've just seen I originally said 'stick thin' not slim!!!!:D

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Actually rindy I don't think anyone would turn upto Gayles model AGENCY that looked like that. I actually don't think Kate Moss herself would take time out to turn up.

Twice In this thread it says " hey guy's you don't have to be stick thin"....

What happens if I started one saying " Hey models needed, but you don't have to be a FAT cow to join"?? yes just as cutting!!

I would never call anyone a FAT COW or otherwise, so why do people think it is acceptable to call someone " stick thin, anorexic" ??

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I appologise, 'stick thin anorexics', as I originally posted, are of course real women, and am sure would be welcomed to join.

I've had a close friend who died because of anorexia. I said nothing about 'slim' women. Don't you dare put words in my mouth.

You will be more than welcome to model I'm sure if you want to. It will be fun.

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If you want to debate the media's portrayl of women, body fascism, and today's ideal of beauty in an industry mainly cotrolled by homosexual men, we'll start another thread, and not trash this one.

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No thanks. Wouldn't like to be the stick thin one. I didn't put words in YOUR mouth....... I used the word SLIM!!!! because like yourself I wouldn't ever call anyone STICK THIN.

Apology accepted.

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No I brought it up in this one because the term was used in THIS one.

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If you think the phrase stick thin is so grossly insulting, you should get out more, I've been called much worse names, but perhaps I have a tougher skin and a sense of humour.

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OH right!!!!!!!!!! So I can start calling people Fat can I?? just because I don't think it's that bad?? I mean being FAT doesn't affect me, so why should it hurt anyone else??
I mean I know people that have replied to this thread are on the big side.....so hey lets slate them.

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Yes well as a Naturally SLIM person let me tell you, yes putting on weight can be a issue too. Losing weight is actually easier than putting it on when you want to. Proven fact.

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There is an absolutely beautiful, stunning Lancashire girl in Channel 5's 'Make me a Super Model'.

She's a size ten, slim in anyones books, and at least two sizes larger than the other models. She's told she has no chance of 'winning' because she's too fat, and is being encouraged to loose weight and crash diet That is a sad reflection on the society we live in. A society were young, healthy, normal girls aged nine, that I know personally, feel pressured to diet rather than just get on and enjoy their childhood.

The show at Accy Town Hall, will hopefully show that women of all sizes can be happy, confident, and glamorous.

End of.

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Nothing Willow I don't have a Issue with my weight. Issue I do have is people' s terminology. Stick thin, anorexic people ( just cos they are slim).......like I said, it's the opposite meaning of calling a bigger person a FAT person. LABELING

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END OF?? why is this thread closing now?? ( god there's alot tonight)

So the show at Accy Town hall will be catering for STICK THIN ANOREXIC looking women???

Better eat your lunch in a private dining room.......wouldn't want the STICK THIN girl being envious.

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I'm seventeen stone, over weight, call me fat.

Water of a duck's back.

I've met you, I don't know your medical history, but if you want me to critique you, you aren't stick thin. Stick thin to me is someone weighing under four stone in a hospital bed.

Anorexia isn't a recognised medical condition in the third world, mind you thet don't get many copies of Vogue there either, showing only images of teenage girls who are held up as the ideal of female beauty.

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OMG your missing the point Rindy!!! I'm fine about my weight, my medical history is nearly none existant ( doctor phobia) MY point is labelling people. SLIM people don't deserve to be labelled as ANOREXIC just like bigger people shouldn't be labelled as PIE EATERS!!!!

am I making sense here??

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No you are not. Slim is fine. I said 'stick thin anorexic' meaning the perpetuated myth that only painfully under weight women are attractive, as seen on every catwalk. There was a big story that some designers showed clothes this season on 'fat' size 12 models. That's all.

As a mother aren't you worried that the media's view of female beauty, which basically comes from a small number of homosexual men, who wouldn't know anything about real women's bodies, that some may have cellulite, wobbly bits, bony bits, spotty bits from time to time?

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PM details please my g/f needs all the help she can get ...:D :o :rolleyes:

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Like I said before I was RUDELY interupted....This was about people entering a bloody fasion show in ACCY..... yes ACCY where I very much doubt KATE BLOODY Moss would show up. Happy fashion show FAT people!! and I hope you have plenty of cakes to eat afterwards.
















Acceptable....?? no I didn't think so.:(

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Slinks you've lost me.

Again appologies if you've taken offence.

Accy, Milan or New York, the priciples are the same.

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Now go and eat a pie, I think your blood sugar is a bit too low and is affecting your logic.:D

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I couldn't possibly eat a pie...... might make me FAT and I would hate to be a FAT woman they look so horrible
















again sorry!!! hate the word but making a point.

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ANOREXIC

http://omeuescape.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/anorexia41.jpg


THIN AND PERFECT

http://galleries.melissamidwest.com/198d/15.jpg

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Trust 2 men to miss the point............:rolleyes:

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No 2 anytime pwease !!!..:D

sorry its late n im in a giddy state ...

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Not very well, by labelling people, like I did inadvertently and ironically.

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A model at Milanvandamoda March '05.


Beautiful?


Healthy?


A role model for young girls to aspire to look like?


I think not.

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Sad for one women not to get the point.

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Again with your pictures of anorexic girls your missing the point.

It is fine for people to approach me and say "God, isn't your sister skinny!" and yes they use the term skinny but if she was a 21 stone woman they might think "God shes fat!" but keep it to themselves, because it's a derogity comment. But So is calling someone skinny.

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Like I said it's a petty bloody ACCY fashion show!!! not one in Paris, and I very much doubt VOGUE will turn up.



END OF!!!! see I can close a thread too....with a few simple words

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This subject is always goin to be a taboo subject to talk about, slim 2 me is a size 10 because I'm a size 12-14,but don't look good in any of them size clothes because my breasts are to big!!! I can't wear strapless or halterneck clothes, which when I look in a magazine at other women my size and are wearing them really gets me down, but u just have to wear what looks good on you, what looks WRONG to me is women who look like Victoria Beckham, Nicole Richie or the "supermodel" Lily Cole. If anyone has watched: Americas Next Top Model, or Make Me a Supermodel then they'll realise that the women that look far better in their pictures are the women who are the ones who are bigger (but what we'd call a size 10!!!) I love the size I am, and wouldn't change it!!!

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Very much doubt that these women will turn up to ACCY's fashion show either........which is where this thread started before we were rudely interrupted.

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im behind that 100 %....but thats the pc brigade for ya ;)

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I never said they would turn up in Accy, I dont think for one nano second they ever would, i'm just giving my personal opinion as a bigger woman!!

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If I'd have said skinny, you might have a point. Slinks took offence when I said the show wasn't JUST for STICK THIN women. Meaning that stick women would be as welcome as anyone else to take part, and the idea is that women of all shapes and sizes are as beautiful as the models we see on tv and in magazines from the fashion shows twice a year.

As a mother are you happy that we live in a society that holds up the ideal of female beauty as someone who has the body of a prepubescent boy? No breasts, no hips, no wobbly bits at all. God forbid that they aren't also five feet ten tall, with 'perfect' skin teeth etc.

I worry when my perfectly healthy godaughter and neice say they are on a diet because they think Paris Hilton, a woman who made a career out of her boyfriend put their porno film on the internet. I'm not happy. They are both two bright, pretty, clever girls who should have more ambition than to want to look like some celebrated airhead whore. Sadly not an isolated ambition for many girls, and apparently boys also are becoming victims to body fascism, with an increase of anorexia also amongst young men as well.

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Yes I understand that chick. This started in another thread about a fashion show that stated by 2 members that " normal women were welcome not just STICK THIN women"


Thanks for your in-put though.

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my missus is a 12/14 and she has said she wants to be a size 10 for when we get married nxt oct...i asked her why and she said " because i wanna look good on my wedding day "...i said " you daft cow you already do or i wouldnt be chuffin marrying you "....awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww aint i sweeeeeet :o :D

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Right Rindy so why didn't you put in that thread " this show is for FAT women aswell as stick thin women" if it was for every shape and size??

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Thank you Lolly at least can see the point.

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Big up ur missus!!!! Like I said i'm that size, and i'm sure she'll look fab!!! I'm that size and she should'nt feel as though she needs to conform to the masses!!!! U love her as she is and thats all that should matter, u love her as she is and thats fabulous!!!!

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Because every fashion show ever is only for slim models, this is different.

All sizes will be welcome. Tall, short, black, white, disabled, fat, thin.

Take your effin pick.

It's just that if we get gob ****e moaners, they might get me bitchin' at them when I try to choreograph them, and tears are so last season.

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I've been reading this thread and talking in the chatroom and reading a magazine as well. Women are multitaskers you know we have to be - before anyone starts. Anyway i've just typed this in the chatroom and was told to put it in here as well. It's from That's Life magazine on the letters page and its the Star letter as well.

A Thin Time of It

I'm 38 and i've always been a size 6-8. For as long as I can remember, people have made hurtful remarks about my size. Once, at a meal with my husband's workmates, one leant over to me and said "You'd better eat all that up. You look like you need it!". Word's can't describe how embarrassed I felt. Would someone go up to a large person and say something as rude and personal?
I'm not just a 'skinny' person, i'm a hard working mum. People should think before making thoughtless comments. Who knows what effect they may have?
E. Haigh, Midlothian.





By the way i'm a big person.

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STOP YOU CRYING THEN!!!!!!!

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Thankyou soooooo much Jen!!!!! that has hit the nail on the head mate.

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Two members?

Are you drunk, or need glasses?

Gayle never mentioned anything other than they need models, no mention of size.

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Everyone can see your point rindy, no-one is disputing what you've said. It's just your inability to see Slinks point of view as far as labelling people. To call someone skinny is acceptable but to call someone fat (even if it's true) is unacceptable because it is derogitive. It doesn't matter how you dress it up and try to hide it under pictures of anorexic women to try to validate your point, both comments are as hurtful as each other

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Calling people names is wrong and hurtful, whether skinny or fat.

I didn't do that, you are hyper sensitive and that's sad.

If I was going to insult you I would be much more creative and cutting.

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Now that is just a cop out! I'm surprised at you! :(

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(gayle)by real, I mean, not skinny like Milan or Paris fashion shows, but real shapes and sizes like the good people of Hyndburn.(gayle)

REAL shapes and sizes.......so paris and milan isn't a real shape??

Who say's what is a size and what isn't??

I come from Hyndburn and I am the size of Paris........so am I not a counted member of Hyndburn??

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I do see her point. She took offence when I said 'not just stick thin anorexics' are welcome (as are seen on every usual catwalk.)

I never mentioned her as being skinny, or anyone else.

In truth I think she looks a bit doughy and needs to do facial exercises to tighten her jowls.:D

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Ok this bit we agree on! ;) :D

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Rindy I would like you to read up a couple of post's if you think what gayle said wasn't offensive.

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You're boring me now chicks.

My bisexuality as gone from 60/40 to 96/4.:D

Night my beauties x

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Hmmmm I rest my case!!! boring you?? shame.

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Ok post her remarks you find offensive too.

I promise to read them if you promise to sort out your offensive facial doughy bits.

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Kids result in name calling when they are proven wrong!!!!!!!!!!! hmmmm:rolleyes:

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See that is offensive, you see offence where none was intended.

Are you on?

Bless.:D

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Night night love.........I can't have a good lie in tomorrow, I have to go to work.

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Well post Gayle's offending remarks then.

I can't see any.

You took offence over nothing.

If you want offensive nasty bitchin' you've no chance chil'.

Me Premiership, you jumpers for goal posts.

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Night ya git xxxxxxx:D

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Bless, but at least your mum thinks your special.:D:D

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At least Ging loves you and your SPECIAL NEEDS.;)

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I dont want to be seen as taking sides here but at the end of the day and the way I see it , all this has been taken out of context .
Garinda I can see exactly where your coming from but I think what slinky is trying to say and please slinky correct me if im wrong is that the whole point of this is If someone greets a large person then they are usually greeted with something like "hello you look nice tonight "and their size or figure is never touched upon .
But if someone meets or sees a slim woman you can bet your bottom dollar that her figure is usually commented on be it not always in a bad way .
So why is it that if someone sees the larger woman nothing dared be said but with the slim (thin)woman its usually something like omg you ve lost weight or, you need to put a few pounds on or, if you lose any more weight youll fall down that crack.
what im tryin to say is that why do we think its ok to comment on the size of the slimmer woman and not the larger one . this is my opinion anyway

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IS IT SAFE NOW ....http://www.freewebdesign.be/smileys/...smiley-032.gif

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Oh please originality darling!!!!

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Thanks Cherokee!!!! everyone but HIMSELF knows what I mean.

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At the end of the day, this thread could argue on forever!!!! Everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to them. am going to bed now (to dream about Pies and Cream Cakes!!! WOO HOO!!!!)

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I do of course see Slinks point. People think that being slim is more socially acceptable, and don't see the offence caused when it is remarked on, which it isn't usually when someone is larger, because people are more dipolmatic. Simple. Problem solved.

Now if the skinny bitch had just said that in the first place, she wouldn't have used more calories than she can afford to lose, and we could have all gone to bed hours ago.:D

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THINK THIS LIL SMILEY SHOULD SUM THIS UP NOW .....

http://www.freewebdesign.be/smileys/...lie_closed.gif

kiss n make up then close the thread ...:D

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Yes but we are right.;)

So sleep well.

Night Lolly x

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Yipeeeee!!!! Blackburn Raver!!!

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.......:rofl38: That's what we were trying to tell you if you'd taken your head from up your a*se long enough to listen! ;) :D

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http://www.instapunk.com/images/MoonLeprechaun.png

Only kiss one of my cheeks though Slinks.:D

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I just wanted to keep her going a bit longer, and get the dig in about her doughy cheeks.:D

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Omg I wish id have posted that hours ago lmao

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Much more succinctly and eloquently put than my ramble.

Thank you.

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bloodyhell rindy..your a braver man than i, if your arguin with slinks....iv'e just been lookin through the gallery and seen ginge...:D

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Thought the shape of some of todays models had started to change abit.What with that Sophie Dahl etc.(Think I spelt her name right:o ) Sorry not well up on these things,not a FTV fan:D :D

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Most definitely not. She should be sectioned and force fed before she dies of malnutrition.

I hope I have not missed your point Slinky. Am I correct in thinking it is all about labeling people based on their size (and probably other aspects as well)?

From the above post Slinky, I would say that you are very much what Gayle is looking for. I took Gayle's post to mean she wanting anybody and everybody, just your average walking around town person. She said she did not want Milan type models, by that I thought she meant like the pictures posted above.
After all if you went to a fashion show would you not want to see clothes on someone like yourself, if not, how can you know what they would look like on yourself?

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I'll give ya all balance shall i:rolleyes:

I've been a size 16+ not happy bullied for being fat & ive been a size 10 - which is anorexic looking on me, now im keeping to be the perfect 14 which looks great on me & healthy as in preportion, dont forget we have different builds small, medium & large bone structures. People & the media determine skinny & fat, verging on perferable on the skinny side - look at all the women photographed in ok & other mags, likes of Mrs Beckham, Kate Moss etc lucky if any are over a 10............so that makes size 14 considered fat - the real problem is so many teeenage & pre teens having weight issues when they dont need to, my daughter last year had a real prob with her body image, meaning looking in mirror seeing herself bigger than she actually is!! Is it body dismorphia or something:confused: i spent many days just making my daughter see reality & removing the blinkers psychologically. I can agree with slinky that putting on weight is harder than losing - as done both, but for both sides of the spectrum putting it on or taking it off is hard!

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder & a positive state of mind whether to do something about it or to make the best - no one should be bullied or feel ashamed as to whether slim or big, as a quote from a film aptly says god makes us all in different shapes & different colours it would be boring if we were all the same off a production line:rolleyes:

Life is too short be happy, worrying about it dont make it better or easier the less you focus on it - the better as the stress of it makes it worse.

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The one where he's wearing makeup??:p

He's a pussycat.

I was going to put I can handle him, but that would make him giddy and he'd have to go off for a shower.:D

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And to think I slept through all of this.

We've only met once briefly Slinky and at no point did I think 'this woman is unhealthy, you look like the naturally slim person that you are. At no point was I trying to imply that this was unattractive in any way - as you know from my diary early this year I was trying to attain that by dieting.

And to be honest, even if I had thought that you looked unhealthy I would NEVER, EVER have said anything about it.

What both Garinda and I were trying to say - probably cackhandly I admit - was that the models that appear on catwalks in Paris and Milan are NOT naturally slim - they are 5'10" and weigh seven stone - this is not natural, this is the result of starvation dieting. The people of Accrington come in all shapes and sizes - some naturally slim, some curvy, some short, some tall, and no one is excluded - in fact Slinky now that you've made a big point about it I would particularly like you to be involved.

I think this thread wandered into two issues though - the first being about the starved models who are used in the fashion industry and the second about insulting someone based on their weight.

I don't think it is ever acceptable to insult someone about their body. However, I do think it is acceptable to point out that someone who starves themselves because they have a perceived idea of beauty is unhealthy.

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Are you going to have any disabled models, Gayle?

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Marilyn Monroe was a size 16, men universally found and still find her sexy.

Kate Moss is a size 6/8, and keeps her size by smoking and snorting coke, and is one of the world's most successful models in an industry controlled by men.

Go figure.

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If any put themselves forward Tealeaf. There are no exclusions and this was the point that I was trying to make.

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They need a man too, if you'd like to volunteer.:D

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I too have seen this from both sides. You all know me as the cuddly 15 stone bloke I am at the minute. Yet 12 years ago when I met Julie I was just over 10 stone. Looking at pictures taken at the time I now think I looked ill(BTW, this wasn't a diet weight, it was the result of a very active job and a high metabolism, in fact I did nowt but eat all day long in the restaurant!) I also couldn't put weight on no matter what I tried. I was very close to seeing a quack to find out if there was something they could do to help. Then I changed career, I went from running around a two storey pub restaurant for 12 hours a day to sat on my thick end for 8. My weight crept up steadily and tbh it was so gradual I didn't notice it that much. Now I'm trying to lose some weight. I want to be about 13 1/2 stone. This isn't even 'normal' if you count it on BMI charts but I know that with my build that it will be as Mel says, "in proportion".

Weight is very subjective. People have this idea of what they should weigh. personally I am not that vain that I have to conform to some 'ideal look'. I wear what I feel comfortable in, I drive what I like and I WILL weigh whatever feels right for me even if it is technically overweight.

Slinks, your not 'skinny' you are slender. nowt wrong with that. If you would like to add a few pounds, thats up to you, if you don't then its equally fine as you are.

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Well said Entwisi:D People forget about their own bone structure, im a medium & i used to attempt to shove it in a size 10 body no wonder i was portruding bones i am not nor should be a size 10 or even a 12 is a bit ropey for me ribbys show whearas 14 is perfect with meat covering me bones & im in within my BMI index. Boots used have a good weighing scales that actually u put in height, gender & build size [med, small large] & then calculated your weight for you & at what you should be - i think thats great cos it took into consideration of body frame which gives a more acurrate figure:D

Since being at the right frame for me i've not suffered illness as much & fought off that flu rather quickly than a few years back it used to put me on my arse for a month a time all because i wasn't insulating myself as much as i should therefore not protecting my body & making it over work to fight it off, my son has the same problem cos he is a lil under weight struggling to put it on but gets prone to colds more & virals, whereas my daughter no prob she's right frame & weight etc rarely ill - so i suppose thats how we know when we are right or not LOL.

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I agree. It's crazy. Life is too short. Enjoy it! Must dash.....time for my chocolate fix.

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when it comes to women and weight i leared to keep my fat gob shut at a very early age infact its the only time i actualy dont have an opinion either way :D

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You (big fat:eek:) liar, you said Rindy was a lard ar*e :rolleyes::D

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Statement of the obvious I'd say. Mind you, I can say that about almost anyone, 'cos i'm built like a racing snake. :D

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http://www.adoptionblogs.com/media/C...y%20boy_01.JPG

Boo hoo.

Lardies has feelings too don't you know?

You are offensine and lardist in the extreme.

People like you don't know what it's like to be told you are looking good, but they wished they were lardy too.

I eat dripping six times a day, yet still can't become anymore lard like. It's a big serious problem, right up there with poverty, starvation, and war, and yet no one takes us seriously.

You normal, lardless people have no idea, no idea.

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I would describe you as stick thin :rolleyes: :D :D :D