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thanks for that insight/explanation graham, as for The Way Forward, the only sensible way is for P.B. and his underlings who voted to re-instate this man, to hang their heads in shame. THEN RESIGN.:( i just hope the snakes read this.

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[quote=g jones;399170]Telegraph Sex Offender


The Councils Constitution

Last year, The Council (not being political but I am not being tarred with the brush) which is the Conservatives, voted to politicise licensing. All appeals and suspensions were taken from officers and now have to be channelled through the Chair and Vice Chair. Councillors Allah Dad and Peter Britcliffe. This of course was a very dangerous course of action should there every be a risk of interference or personal/prejudial interest, such as relatives or votes.


surprise surprise it seems that every criminal activity is 'politicised' so that certain councillers can help their mates out when they commit crimes. peter britcliff is ultimtely responsible as he geedily feeds into his vote chasing mentality. by the way alla dad can hardly speak english. how has he been appointed to the position of chair?

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Well that is a supprise, only one of the committee save Clr Prichard, so can he /they read English as well spinner, if they can I only hope they are reading this thread.

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i dont know how well he can read but his english is poor. but i know he makes over £500 a time making wedding videos at practicall y every asian wedding( which during the summer months is every weekend). so if he feels so strongly for this taxi driver maybe he should fork out for him personally instead of endorsing him for the ataxi job.

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I agree, if what Graham Jones said is true about the treatment Clare Pritchard received, and I suspect it is, otherwise he wouldn't have dared post it here, then it is appalling, and it's a wondeful insight into how the people we elect to act on our behalf, behave away from the public gaze, and of course the press.

I think it is totally disgusting.

If the council were a company, people would be sacked for this. But then again if it was a company half the people wouldn't have been employed there in the first place, through lack of relevant experience, as well as the academic qualifications needed to do the job, and that applies to the leader of the council too.

Hopefully, with more legal ways now available to find out what shenanigans goes on behind closed doors, the public will see some of these people for what they really are. Bullies and meglomaniacs are two words that initially spring to mind.

Again, bloody well done Clare. You have more principles and guts than all of the other lot put together. Keep up the good work.

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I take it then Graham that your answer to my question would be no they should not.

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i wonder if this carry on will get remembered at election time or as usual people will forget and tick the box giving teh same clowns the power as usual :rolleyes:

if i was labour i would highlight this on every leaflet dropped through every door in hynburn

if i was tory i would be sorting this mess out right away and appologising for it before labour could use it against me

if i was lib dem i would probably bleet on about the perverts rights

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Less than a third of the population of Hyndburn read the Observer, even less read the Telegraph. So most people in the town know nothing about these issues.

Bizarrely, even for a local election most people vote based on national issues (honestly!). One of the reasons that Labour in Hyndburn did so badly last May was because of all the stuff about the war in the press and the Prescott saga at the time.

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I think the councillors in question should be held accountable, I for one wont be using CB anymore, shame for the drivers that are ok but not prepared to take the risk.

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The only other firm I used to use if C&o have no taxi's available was Arrow...but I won't even use them now on my own.

Thanks grego for the karma.....:D

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Very interesting comments, Graham, and they certainly don't show the Tories in a good light. However, I'm still waiting for you to explain why Labour councillor, John Broadley voted to reinstate the driver concerned?

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a good point

surely a grown man cant have been bullied into doing the wrong thing

seems like the only person with the balls to object was a woman :rolleyes:

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I have seen Clare at meetings a couple of times, she certainly doesn't come across as someone who will be bullied into doing something she doesn't want too.

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Obviously the whole situation has to be looked at. And not just this case either. I have not spoken to John yet but there needs to be a decision soon as to the way forward. I know John has been bullied, but I can't talk about that particular case because I will be suspended. I do have two stressed Councillors. Clare has calmed down since it came out.

I personally take the blame if John has not been able to do the right thing because John is a very nice guy who cares and in the end he made the wrong decision. Under normal circumstances John I am sure would have been fine, however there is little to commend that committee the way it operates.

I, in conjunction with other senior Labour Councillors pick committee members and I knew that bullying and intimidation went on (for a 'cross party decision') years ago and nothing has changed up to this weekend. I have learnt a lot myself, but the buck stops with me as to why John was there in the first place under those conditions. I am just grateful that Clare refused to buckle as well because want went on since 19 Feb was unpleasant as well.

All officers except the Solicitor for the Council leave when decision times come. He/She is not allowed to speak or advise members on which way to vote. Councillors have to read the report and adcvice contained within and apply their own moral compass. The committee tend to drag out the decision making process until at least one labour member, but prefereably both have voted 'in line'.

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So its not to how the case should be treated but on the merits of political feelings and whether votes won out weigh votes lost in an election. Dragging it out and bullying seems to me to be the way that one person gets his/her way over the rest. I hope the driver involved dosnt attack again because I can see the excuses that will pour forth from the committee like a winter mudslide.

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Re post 98, This is where the arm twisting comes in when dodgy decisions are being made,if other members of the committee do not want to 'rock the boat' with a certain section of the community, it's a case of we'll not vote with you when your up against it. I know this reply is a bit sketchy but this subject is getting a little sensitive, regards,Ian.

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as far as i am concerned peter britcliff is responsible for the way these cases are handled. anyone who votes for such a person is also responsible. is anyone going to admit that they have voted for britcliffe

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Its ok mate call a spade a spade.
I think you are suggesting that by not giving him his license back then the Asian taxi drivers, family, community, etc etc might vote for a different Councillor at the next elections.
We can't say that is the case here of course but it is exactly why it should be down to employed Officers and not elected Councillors to make these decisions.

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I think you will find I admitted on here that I voted for him at the last election.
Who would not want the leader of the Council as his/her Ward Councillor? If anyone can sort out a problem for St Andrews Ward residents it must be him.

If Labour had been in control of the Council I might have voted differently. I think it is much more useful if you have a problem having a Ward Councillor whose party are in control of the Council. Selfish voting? Probably yes.

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its not only the council who are making these dodgy deciisions but also the police via the ethnic minorities division at greenbank. a lot of the councillers make personal visits to this corrupt team and so called political decisions have been made for the benefit of some criminals.

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[quote=Neil;399626]I think you will find I admitted on here that I voted for him at the last election.
Who would not want the leader of the Council as his/her Ward Councillor? If anyone can sort out a problem for St Andrews Ward residents it must be him.

well it is completely selfish and you must remember that through the actions of your leader a lot of innocent peoples lives have been affected for the simple reason that you liked having your jobs done. if your leader was a man of integrity than i could understand your vote.

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Shame.:(

If more people had voted for Gayle in our ward last election, it might be a different story now.

I remember you saying you were voting for the candidate with the biggest ***'s. Instead you voted for the big ***, singular.;)

(Sorry about the *'s, not really being rude, as any Blue Tit will tell you.:D )

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Yes Neil I aggree 100% with you, in my opinion bargaining power should be removed from the equasion.

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This is something I am not familiar with spinner, so i'll pass on this one.

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There should never be a barging factor in a case like this there are members of public at risk because of it. The answer should be an automatic and perminent withdrawl of the licence.

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Ask youself this spuggie what they have done if he'd been a policeman, promoted him.;)

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Sent him for councilling then stuck him behind a desk. If they can get away with beating up a tenager then this would be an easy one for them. Police like others are there to protect the public and their rights alledgedly but now it seems its a case of protect their own the same as councillors it would seem.

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I have just received an e-mail from Councillor Brian Roberts. In it he tells me that the cross party committee made decisions on information that was available at that time....new information has come to light and the effect of this is the the licence has been suspended with immediate effect.

Now isn't that good news?

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I wonder if the members of Accyweb had anything to do with this decision?

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That's great news Margaret, no I don't think accweb has any influence on Council decisions, it may have been a case of sore backsides.;)

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If we are taken as a cross section of the general public, then yes, Accyweb has done its bit by showing peoples fellings on this issue.

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ah thanks margaret,great to hear some good news for a change. just like to bet anyone though,this has not been reversed off the panels own bat.

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They been at the bonding parlour? Oh sorry bondage parlour. :p

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The only piece of information that was needed was the fact that he was convicted of a sexual offence. FULL STOP!!!!!!!!! He should not have been given the right to be put in a position again where he could be alone with a woman! Thats it end of argument!

I also noticed that on Saturday night a lot of taxis that came in the pub for people were from C&O when normally they aren't.

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Well I for one aint taking you up on that bet cashy. Though what odds would you have given a few days ago to this turn of events?

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I know that a number of us contacted the people on the committee to let them know of our disgust at their seemingly senseless action....maybe we had just a tiny bit of influence. I would like to think that councillors listened to the views of the people who elected them.

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Well I am in favour of that, though it wont happen in a hurry. :o

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Complete cop-out,Cover up,call it whatever, they Knew he was a convicted sex offender from nov06 and on the sex offenders register until 2011. thats not enough available information? BULLSH1T.

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So they ignored the info available and went with what they thought should be the course of action and fingers crossed that there would be no "uproar" by the public. The only phrase I can think of cant be printed here.

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i do not give this panel any credit! any due goes to councillor pritchard,and others not on that panel ie graham jones n other councillors,and also everyone that actually did something about it. this panel-:behead:

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Exactly what I was thinking Willow, I wonder how their takings were this weekend. Its a shame on the other drivers for them, the decent and honest ones.

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I am sorry to say, but life is selfish.

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I'm sure someone was telling me they were closed.Went past today at dinner and noticed there wasn't the usual taxi's parked across the road.

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Wonder if it is still closed, because within the last hour there was a CB taxi picking up/dropping of on the street where i live.

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Yeh, saw their mini-bus on the school run today.

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cb wasnt closed last night when i got my taxi home

good regular driver and he didnt touch my boobies or bum once :)

i did ask about the pervy driver and hes not mr popular amongs the drivers but i didnt fish for more info

to be hoinest ive used cb for over 15 years and only since they merged with A1 taxis i think it was has their service declined :rolleyes:

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I can absolutely promise you that no new information was received by the commitee on that application between then and now. I can't actually say that Brian Roberts is a liar as that would be against the councils code of conduct but draw your own conclusions.

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witha little help from microsoft paint i did just that :D

http://h1.ripway.com/dirtyboy30/liar1/liar.JPG


do i have to say ALLEGEDLY or somthing coz i dont want sueing or bullying ?

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I find what Clr Roberts has to say incredulous. He is the Deputy Leader of the Council and Clr Marlene Haworth another Cabinet member.

I have read the report. It repeatedly refers to Mr Altaf as a Sex Offender. It lists all the details, dates, times, offences, as all reports do as standard. It advises the committee in plain terms he is a Sex Offender (repeatedly) and 'not to go behind the conviction', the judiciary in a court of law have already done that. Clr Roberts was, like Clr Pritchard fully aware of the all the facts and details in the case.

Clr Pritchard then left the meeting, arriving in the managing Director's office within 3 minutes. The MD said there and then it was a wrong decision and began an investigation.

I would ask Clr Roberts in that 3 minutes, what new information did he receive and how, as he claims, did he get to the Managing Director before Clare Pritchard did, discuss it with the Managing Director, all within that 3 minutes, and have the decision overturned before Clare Pritchard got through the door herself to overturn it. And what made him do that when 5 minutes earlier he argued at length that the driver should have had his license back.

And why then, did he and Marlene Haworth have Clare Pritchard in tears over the following 3 weeks saying committee members make decisions not officers and she should have been loyal to the decision of the committee and not gone complaining to the MD. Why would they do that then but now claim they actually did intervene to overturn what was their own decision.

Obviously there is a considerable amount of deception and misinformation going on that can only described as a botched cover up. I am sure the public will call it something else.

Since the report in February 19th, no new information has come out. The report itself covered all the facts. Clr Roberts and Clr Haworth have now placed themselves in a very difficult position.

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dont really know the rules in such things, but if possible i think councillor pritchard should seek advice, intimidation,victimisation, and harassment spring to mind.

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The second case, the Telegraph case

This again is turning into what appears may be another cover up and much more needs to come out to clear up confusing and contradictory statements by the Council.

The offender was taken into custody on the 4th Feb. Released soon after. The Police have given a statement in the media they advised the Council to suspend his license. The Council have replied by saying they could do that, but because of a loophole he was able to get his license back. On the 11 march he was back in custody after a 2nd taxi-sex offence.

The Council was advised by the Police to suspend him and could have done. The Council are saying the Police are not telling the truth and they were not told to suspend his licence. They claim it is a false statement (in the Lancs Telegraph) by maverick CID officers. However the Council do have a marvelous relationship with the other police officers they say.

The Councils practice for any offender not charged is not to take his licence away regardless of the offence including alleged sex offences. Licenses will only be suspended when charges have been brought.

So in this case the sex offender was allowed to keep his license and went on to re-offend.

The Council has admitted they took no action to suspend his license, despite police claims they asked the Council to. However the initial Council statement said they did not suspend his license 'because he could have appealed and got it back'. This implies they knew what was going on at the time.

This is a completely different version of events to todays statement which claims 'no information was forthcoming from the police' so we weren't aware of the situation. Furthermore The Council have stated, 'our code of practice does not suspend drivers based on allegations' so we would not have done anything about it anyway which completely contradicts the initial statement claiming a loophole in the law stopped them suspending the taxi driver.

One source admitted; "There has been a serious error of judgement". I would guess this is closest to the truth than anything else.

Clearly the driver should have been suspended on a sex allegation. If he appealed and got his license bac then at least the Council had taken the first and right step. If he had appealed, and we don't know he would, then he should have been brought in for interview, with the taxi firm and 'a serious discussion taken place'.

A press statement by Peter Britcliffe and the Tories is expected soon. I wonder where their priorities lie. A cross party decision to save their necks or an apology to the victims or more misinformation designed to mislead the public?

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I would dearly love our esteemed Council leader to explain this hot potato, he seems very fond of self gloryfication in the local rag, hanging baskets to you Peter.:mad:

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i don't know if this has been brought up as i've joined in rather late but i must admit after reading this alarm bells immediately began to ring

1. taxi driver known sex offender
2. council grants licencse

questions- does the firm have any school contracts?
What is the point of crb checks i thought legitimate taxi drivers
had to take them?
if yes to either how the hell did he get his license back
should the granting of licenses to taxi drivers not be dependant on
a clean crb check?

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not sure abour crb checks jedi, used to be yes for hackney license, not so for private hire, that was when moby dick was a tadpole,(when i was hackney) the other questions- PBs statement should be interesting.

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makes you wonder though doesn't it
i need to have one for the coach so why shouldn't a taxi driver
after all a taxi driver is more likely to end up in a 1 on 1 situation than i am

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Couldn't the second person attacked sue the council for allowing him to have his license back? A couple of million pounds law suit would make them have to answer questions.

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If the taxi driver is doing specific school runs then they do have to be CRB checked willow

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I bet if the usual driver is off sick they will send anyone they have spare.

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PMSL I just got bad karma for that post.

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lol perhaps its a secret admirer with a weird view on seduction ;)

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no neil you got bad karma cos your a tit :D

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Thats not very friendly, what did I do to upset you?
You also sent me a strange PM

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strange thats what they do- fact.;)

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she's in a strange mood today that one *walks off sniggering*

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don't these people in authority who lie to us realise that they seriously compromise their integrity. I find it very hard to trust what any politician tells us.
Graham, thankyou for the information youposted it certainly makes for interesting reading.

I might get some stick for this......but, what would have happened if the drivers in question had been of caucasian origin????????

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Just to let everyone know, this thread in it's full has reached the top of Scaitliffe House. Peter told me he had read it all this afternoon. I hope he will join the forum and add his opinion. Free speech leads to a free society.

I was pulled about posting. My view that I gave is two fold. If I have said something wrong then I risk receiving an unpleasant solitictors letter. That is my fault and I accept the consequences. Secondly, 10 years ago I would have done the same but printed a leaflet around Peel ward. The medium and the variety of audience has changed that's all.

Anyway a Kangaroo Committee has been set up. PB is taking personal responsibility after 7 years in power. Usually a Panel or Board is set up to investigate and report back with even numbers of members of both sides. This time a Cabinet Group is being set up soley containing Cabinet members (thats the Conservatives) can sit on it. Three Tories.

As part of the Google Page Ranking campaign, 3 labour Councillors will be invited to sit in as 'observers only' and to give it more balance the Independent Nick Collingridge will be as an observer. Just to fill people in with a little more info, NC has supported the Tories on every issue and attacked Labour on every issue.

Our proposal was 3 Labour and 2 Tories to ensure public confidence that the controlling political group was not seen scrutinising itself and the public would have some confidence that with the committee balanced in the oppositions favour, no stone would therefore be left unturned and there was less chance of any cover ups.

We rejected the Tory proposal as it runs a very high risk of becoming an 'all party' white wash committee where Labour Councillors have little say in the investigation and outcome. I think the pubclic are very concerned that any investigation that ensues, is one that will look at all aspects and leave no skeletons in the cupboard.

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In my mind, that's not a fair way of going about it. I might be naive but surely an investigation shouldn't be done by friends and colleagues of the people who made the decision in the first place.

If it was an independent enquiry surely it should be representatives from outside the area, perhaps a different council, to review it, or council officers at the very least or at the very very least equal members from both sides.

I'm sorry but that doesn't sound like it's going to be an unbiased review at all.

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I am in agreement with that statement.

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wondered if was true,that P.B.had been ringing round for drums of WHITEWASH.;)

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we dont have a watergate but we do have an east gate in accy :D

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You're right Gayle. Within the Council I believe our suggestion was on balance the fairest. Because it's confidential material by law it precludes unelected people which causes a problem. Other Council's is certainly an option, but then you have the problem of them being 'guided' to the right answer. I still think 2 Tories and 3 Labour had the best balance when considering the issues that need to be looked at. Our suggestion included 2 magistrates from our side. They have refused it anyway.

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I had to be CRB checked as a volunteer in the local school. Then when i had received that 2 weeks later i was asked if i would do some taxi runs for the education office - i had to be crb checked again for that - even thought i'd just been crb checked for the school they said that they couldnt accept it. Then when i started work at the sports centre i had to be crb checked for that as well because i was the receptionist and was in contact with kids. They wouldnt accept the other 2 clearances i had already. By the way did you know a CRB check lasts for 3 years. Then you have to renew it.

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Well, it certainly smacks of a cover-up. However, if there are three Labour councillors there as observers, will they be able to blow the whistle if they feel a whitewash is taking place...or will they be legally prohibited from doing this?

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This all seems like to much behind closed doors stuff... we have open debates in our National Parliment, open Goverment committee meetings on TV, yet it seems 4 or 5 local councillors can make decisions behind closed doors and restrict members or "observers" from informing tax payers of what went on!
Anyone would think it was a war cabinet meeting discussing events involving Nation Security.

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In my opinion this is a very shifty way of going about an enquiry and I am not feeling very confident of the outcome......to my mind there will be fudging of issues, and we, the electors will never really feel comfortable about the integrity of those we have elected to act on our behalf.

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So Graham, just a technical question - who takes the minutes of a meeting like that?

Even in the business that I'm in we have independent minute takers for difficult meetings so that a fair report of the meeting takes place - particularly if it's sensitive.

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Another case of the 'polce' policeing themseves, Mr Britcilffe you could not lie staight in bed never mind out of it, and as the Observer says, 'name and address supplied'.

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was once told by an old soldier i worked with at L.Frankland, that Conservative means conserve for oneself, was also told that by a tory M.P. it seems Mr Britcliffe is proving this to be the case.:(

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dont hold your breath for a reply :eek:

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Consider it to be a hypothetical question Chav ;)

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did we ever find out the other firm the the origional pervert worked for ?

seems unfair that CB got named for employing one and teh other firm didnt which was the origional topic of this thread

appologies if i missed it but aint reading 12 pages again if i can help it :)

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Next time you get a taxi chav ask the driver I have done so on three occasions, ill bet you he just 'cock's you a deaf un' thats all I got.

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I used to escort the school runs and you are right they did send anyone they had spare. Complained to the Education on numerous occasions about the number of different drivers, unsafe driving and also the state of some taxis. Never once had my complaint's been acted on, and i worked escorting for around 8 years. Ended up packing the job in because i was in to many near accidents.

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ALL Taxi drivers have to be CRB checked every 12 month's.
Whether they do School escorts or not.

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thats good to know slinks,glad times have changed.;)

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I sent the following letter to the Observer, but don't know whether it will get published this week.
Sir

Last week, when I picked up my copy of the Observer, I was appalled to read that the Licensing Committee of Hyndburn Council had allowed a taxi driver, who had been convicted for a sexual assault in November 2006, to have his licence back. I note that 2 of the members of the Licensing committee, Marlene Haworth and Brian Roberts, are also members of the Cabinet. From their decision, I can only assume that the ruling Conservative Group has no regard for the safety of passengers in taxis within Hyndburn. Have these people no regard for the victim of the assault, how must she be feeling, knowing that the man who perpetrated this crime has been allowed to carry on with his job, which is a position of trust.

I would ask, the 5 members of the Licensing Committee, who voted to allow the taxi driver to have his licence back, to examine their consciences. How would they feel about their mother, wife sister, daughter or granddaughter being a passenger in the taxi of any driver who had a conviction for a sexual assault. The one member of the committee, who acted in the best interests of the residents of Hyndburn, by voting against the decision, was the Labour Councillor Clare Pritchard, and she deserves to be thanked for her stand.

Surely, all members of the public are entitled to get into a taxi without worrying whether the driver has a criminal record. This decision will have a very adverse impact on other taxi drivers, because the 99.9% who are completely innocent of any wrongdoing will be still regarded with suspicion by the public. Surely it is very unfair, that the majority will now be regarded with suspicion.


Yours etc

Joan Smith

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Good Grief! There's another one! This guy is in Nelson though.

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That knocks me sick, this seems to be the ideal job for these perverts and yes unfortunately innocent men are being tarred by the same brush. How on earth can the commitee members that have given the license back to the first known offender sleep at night, its disgusting.

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Looks like there's one not a million miles away in Nelson;

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...bid_charge.php

And just to make sure you get attacked from all professions even dentists are at it
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ping_woman.php

If the Dentist Council have the same values has Hyndburn Council then he should be removing patients teeth and items of clothing in a surgery near you very soon :mad:

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I'm appalled that in the dentists case someone said it wasn't a serious sexual assalt, surely an assalt is an assalt whether you've "only groped a breast" or touched elsewhere! Hope he gets struck off, only a matter of time before he goes further.

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the dirty little git he should be struck off!
and its not just cabbies or dentists, doctors have been known to do it!!
castrate the buggers!

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Like the comment Panther, karma coming your way, though I pressed enter before finishing my comment!