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Dear Pond Life,
I feel it an opportune moment to suggest, if i might, that my efforts to enable numpties on this thread to unearth the real facts in relation to the manner in which Council Committee's adjudicate are rather wasted. Numpties appear more inclined to discuss issues pertaining to the pond. I have a better handle on this matter than most i suspect. Rest assured, I propose to elevate the issue going forward, though will proceed at a leisurely pace until i feel the timing is right. In the meantime, I shall afford numpties on here the opportunity to drown in the pond. Over to you. |
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all i can say is that i am shocked and appauled by teh actions of you lot tonight and you should all be ashamed of yourselves..
usualy when a member gets personaly attacked for mereley asking a question they get given showers of karma as a sighn of support but i have just checked and not so much as a sniff of karma , not even the grey stuff :mad: hang your heads in shame :D thanx for teh support and continuing this thread while i was out guys its amazing how determined he was to cary on arguing even though i was not actualy here lol 2 pervs are now no longer taxi drivers which was the main issue at the time , as for who is responsible for it happening etc i am sure it will be dealt with at the next elections it would be political suicide to give a taxi licence to a convicted perv again so i bet from now on things will be shook up a bit down at HBC and although it shoudlnt have happened in teh first place you cant turn back time so live with it im pretty sure those people upset or annoyed enough about this issue will show their feelings at the next elections and be more effective than any witch hunt if teh peopel resposible wont step down then vote them out , seems pretty obvious to me but then again me iz thik |
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I wouldnt be surprised this gondola isnt one of the committee or associate of it cos he/she is definately not ordinary :rolleyes:
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On a second note , I would just like to add that I never heard of a woman being assulted/molested when the Accrington area had a decent public transport system , i.e. Accrington corporation buses , but the powers that be decided for whatever reason to get rid of them and hand public transit over to every cowboy in town. seem to remember from previous posts that flashy has some sort of experiance in psychological profiling , let me have your thoughts :D :D :D |
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Let's ignore Gondola (the attention seeker) - my other half said it worked with his kids every time :rolleyes:
To get back on topic my concern is that as it is the driver who receives the licence, and not the taxi operator, they can turn up anywhere in the area that they hold the licence for. Altaf may work for CB one day, Betty's the next - worse, he may even set up on his own! It would be interesting to see how many 'skeletons' there are in the cupboard? A proposal: Would Cllr Jones make the freedom of information request and post the findings on AccyWeb? Suz x. |
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Just to clear things up
I do not know Gondola and I do not know anyone who posts political posts for me under a psuedonym. Jaysay (John Farrer tried that one and was outed quite rightly). Further more I would prefer to speak for myself and try and use the English Language to it's fullest to express a view which otherwise may result in a solicitors letter. Its not Labour v. Tory (and their sidekick the Independent). I can understand PB and some die hard Connservatives wanting it to be Lab v Tory, but it's not, it's right verses wrong and nothing else. Sex Offenders should not be driving taxis. |
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Lordy!!!!! I go to work for a night and look what I've missed!!!!
I'm surprised that the mods didn't close this thread during the uncalled for slanging match, but despite Mr/Ms Gondola's vicious outburst about our lovely Chav, he/she does have a point about getting to the bottom of this unacceptable taxi situation. However, I am inclined to think that if the Council are left to get to the bottom of it, it will not be objective, will cost money (as it always does), the public won't be given all of the facts (we rarely are) and the most important aspects of any investigation will be brushed under the carpet (where the insults in this thread should be). I can appreciate Gondola's point of view but have to object to the childish name calling, therefore, I am reporting Gondola's post. (can you tell I'm in a bad mood yet)???????:confused: Remember that it may feel like you are anonymous when you hide behind a pseudonym Gondola, my pseudonym is part of my name and I am definitely not anonymous, but, the powers that be on here, aka. Roy!!!! know who you are..:D (my money is on Tealeaf)........:D |
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''but, the powers that be on here, aka. Roy!!!! know who you are'' Oh dear. I find myself quaking in my boots. Please keep your contributions germane to the title of this thread. |
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'' but it's not, it's right verses wrong and nothing else. Sex Offenders should not be driving taxis''
Indeed. Notwithstanding the accusations of some that I am here merely to score points against certain councillors, my interest is solely to ensure that irrespective of what led to this decision, it is not repeated. This can only be made certain if it is known how the decision was arrived at. Was it ignorance of rules of regulations? A preferential bias perhaps, inadvertent or otherwise? Thus far, I know not the exact reason, hence my efforts here. |
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Incidentally, for those that suspect I am a councillor or some such, they are well wide of the mark. I would not allow myself to be so insulted. It is apparent that most of the councillors in the Borough of Hyndburn are unemployed and cannot string a few words together. Further, and more importantly, they have shown complete disregard (as in this case) for those that have elected them.
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Gondola, you have managed to alienate the very people that you came on line to get support from in three short pages. This is why politics is a nasty business - point scoring and name calling. So, you say you're not a councillor, well ok, that's fine but you clearly have some additional agenda here. You have facts that some people are not privvy to and you clearly have issues with a certain councillor. Whilst we all applaud you coming on and informing us about these issues your style is offensive. As I have said a few times, I doubt that Roy wanted to create a political forum. Although I can't speak for him, I suspect he wanted somewhere were people could air their views fairly and respectfully. Yes, there are times when people have a go at the council but it is often tongue in cheek most of the time we discuss an issue from all angles and enjoy the debate. Gondola, get yourself back to Italy or show respect for other members of this board. |
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Just wondered if a driver with a convicted sexual offence had been a newby and applied for a taxi licence, would he have been granted one ?
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Wouldn't you think that as soon as he was convicted his license should've automatically been removed?
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well most taxis display a no smoking sticker so maybe they shoudl also display one of these :D
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Anyone dealing with the general public even 'suspected' of a sexual offence should, if they do not do it on a voluntary basis, be made to take 'gardening leave', till the matter is cleared up.
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At the risk of getting shouted down I wish to raise a point that is slightly off topic. Councillor Jones yesterday suggested that there existed 'other skeletons in the cupboard'. He may have a point, and readers have commended him for his tenacity in persevering with this issue, as well as his integrity in ensuring that this issue was not swept under the carpet.
However, I would like to draw his attention, if I might, to another issue where his judgement has to be questioned, especially since in that matter it appeared that he was seeking to score 'political points' (something, absurd though the suggestion may be, I was accused of). I refer to his comments in the Accrington Observer, dated the 9th of March, 2007. For the benefit of readers this article referred to the candidate for the Church Ward, Mr Safdar, who had conveniently switched sides from Labour to the Conservative Party. Councillor Jones questioned his motives and stated ''We [the Labour Party] found out that he had approachedthe Conservatives three months earlier, offering to stand for them if he was'nt selected as a Labour Canadidate. Based on that I think the public can make up their own minds about Safdar. That was part of the reason why he was not selected by Labour and good luck to him''. My question is this. If the Labour Party were aware three months earlier about Mr Safdar's motives, why then did they allow him a couple of months later to contest the candidacy? Moreover, at the time a candidate had already been selected by the Labour Party (who later stepped aside), and thus Mr Safdar had known back then that he had not been selected and thus approached the Conservatives. Yet when the other candidate stepped aside, with the knowledge that Safdar had attempted to switch sides the Labour Party considered it right and proper to potentailly select as a candidate a man who they now suggest has a lack of integrity. Surely had he won the internal selection when the vote took place (several months after Councillor Jones had become aware of his attempt to switch sides), that would have meant that the Labour Party would have been asking memebers of the public to vote for a man they knew had sought to side with the Tories. Surely that is not morally justifiable? More distrubing than that, is that according to the community grapevine, Safdar has been campaigning in the Church Ward assited by a former Labour Councillor and still current member of the Labour Party. It makes a mockery of the principle of Party politics. Councillor Jones should, if he knew that Safdar had changed sides several months earlier, have raised the issue with his Party and Safdar ought not to have been put forward as a candidate for an internal vote. The only reason he has reported it in now is to dent Safdar's campaign. |
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good i hope it works out for him , ime pretty sure the conservatives have done their fair share of dodgy shananigans in the past including going on to a local website anonomously and slinging sh1t :rolleyes: me been as thick as crap can see whats going on here so i would take it that the rest of the people here can figure out whats going on you lost all credability the second you started name calling and no one takes you seriously at all now i wouldnt mind your aggressive attitude toward me but i was actualy sticking up for you earlier on , people were saying you arnt fit to eat with pigs, i said you are :) cool down , join under a new username and behave better and people will listen but insulting people wont do your credibility any good ps: crack a joke occasionaly you may find you like smiling :D |
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Yesterday I was accused of being affiliated to the Labour Party, now you suggest I'm with the conservatives.
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just eaten but thanx
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off topic but quickly The papers print bits of what is usually said. Safdar was behaving funnily and associating himself with Conservatives. He had done some bleating about selection. I was not told this until the day of selection when I raised the matter with Central Ward members because Safdar had issued threats to me the day before about the selection. "If the Labour Party don't select me I will get my own back, you'll see" I was told Safdar's behaviour had been one of disloyalty to his colleagues and there was no chance he would be selected. Central Ward members had an idea of what Safdar was up to. He wasn't selected. About a week later a Tory told me they he had done a deal with them (with Peter Britcliffe) about 3 months earlier. To defect if labour did not select him. In fact that Tory told me then that he had hinted at the deal to me about a month before and I wasn't quick on the up take. PB had been running around for about 2 months boasting of a another defector (last year it was Dennis Baron). So in the end it all came out. Hope that clears it up Gondola. |
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Wow, Like Lettie I missed a cracking thread.
Gondola, I think I found your Wine gums, you must have dropped them somewhere. The point of this thread is about visibilty of which drivers and firms should be avoided by people who prefer not to be driven by convicted (or even accused wich whilst Innocent till proven guilty should in all respects not put themselves in a position where they are open for attck) sex offenders. I would not want Julie in a cab with someone like that. How teh council should reconsider its policies and whether teh current comitee should keep their positions is something I would like undertaken by an outside non political authority to ensure fair open and rational consideration |
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i hope our new member stays around ,now ive got used to him i think hes quite tollerable :)
kinda feels like i got a new pet :D got to love the internet its like fishing , you drop the right bait and theres always somthing that will bite :D |
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without any help from any half witted 'tv' presenter. We do not care if you are affiliated to, Attilla the Hun, that is your business, just stick to the thread and topic and stop these personal attacks, as in my humble opinion you do not have the wit for. |
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great so now im a thick whore :(
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The papers print bits of what is usually said. Safdar was behaving funnily and associating himself with Conservatives. He had done some bleating about selection. I was not told this until the day of selection when I raised the matter with Central Ward members because Safdar had issued threats to me the day before about the selection. "If the Labour Party don't select me I will get my own back, you'll see" I was told Safdar's behaviour had been one of disloyalty to his colleagues and there was no chance he would be selected. Central Ward members had an idea of what Safdar was up to. He wasn't selected. About a week later a Tory told me they he had done a deal with them (with Peter Britcliffe) about 3 months earlier. To defect if labour did not select him. In fact that Tory told me then that he had hinted at the deal to me about a month before and I wasn't quick on the up take. PB had been running around for about 2 months boasting of a another defector (last year it was Dennis Baron). So in the end it all came out. Hope that clears it up Gondola. Not quite. You state that there was no chance he would be selected. On the contrary, there was every chance. In fact the internal vote was marginal, as you know, and swung in favour of the other candidate by the vote of just one member. Thus had that member voted the other way, Safdar would now be the Labour Party candidate for the Central Ward. In the press, you have been reported to say that his prearrangement with the tories 'was just one of the reasons he was not selected'. I put it to you that the prearrangement had no influence in his selection. If it had, he would not have been put forward for the selection process. The only reason that he was not selected was because he marginally lost out (by one vote) to the other candidate in an internal selection process. There is little point in avoiding the truth. Hope that clears it up. |
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I think it unfair of me to hijack this thread with discussions not directly linked to the title of the thread. This may disenchant some of the readers.
Perhaps someone would care to direct me to a link or some such on how to create a new thread for purposes of setting up a separate discussion. Unless of course readers do not mind unrelated matters being discussed here. Thanks in advance for your cooperation here. |
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So Gondola, for you to be at the centre of Asian politics in Central Ward, seemingly backing Safdar (Lab to Tory defector) BUT against Mr Allah Dad (Tory chair of Taxi Licensing) is interesting. Safdar had old Labour supporters voting for him becuase if his years in the party, and Ayub the younger members voting for him because they wanted change. The Safdar to Tory pact is now well documented, he had cut a deal ahead of selection. The deal was not exactly known but his daliances where. I am told Safdar's flirtations with the Tories over many years led to the younger Central Ward Labour Party members voting for Ayub. All very interesting. |
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I just voted for the guy who said he'd make sure the streets didn't look like Whinney Hill tip. Unfortunately they still do. :(
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First of all you know a lot more than me. I have just had it confirmed Safdar lost by one vote.
So Gondola, for you to be at the centre of Asian politics in Central Ward, seemingly backing Safdar (Lab to Tory defector) BUT against Mr Allah Dad (Tory chair of Taxi Licensing) is interesting. Safdar had old Labour supporters voting for him becuase if his years in the party, and Ayub the younger members voting for him because they wanted change. The Safdar to Tory pact is now well documented, he had cut a deal ahead of selection. The deal was not exactly known but his daliances where. I am told Safdar's flirtations with the Tories over many years led to the younger Central Ward Labour Party members voting for Ayub. All very interesting. Mr Jones, Thank you for that. I am rather bamboozled by your assertion that i am 'seemingly backing Mr Safdar'. In my considered view he is entirely unfit for public office. More on that later. It is interesting to note that you made reference to Mr Siddique. You are right that his command of English is limited, but that is not a major issue (I note that you have subsequently removed your comment in relation to him, and though i had copied it when i was in the process of responding to you, I have not pasted it here since it is not right for me so to do if you do not wish it to be noted). Now that chap Siddique is in a league of his own. He is probably more unfit to run for public office than any other individual I could think off. Rest assured, if i were to disclose revelations pertaining to him, the shock would make you fall off your stool. |
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In your message to me you wrote: ''you obviously have inside information that we'd all love to debate so please stick around'' The fact is I am only asserting information that I feel the public have a right to know. I feel that those in public office ought to be of impeccable moral rectitude, otherwise they ought to step aside and allow others with sufficient moral fibre to serve the public that elect them. |
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every single polotition in the land steps down :D hey seen as your anonymous spill the beans , anyone with a shred of common sense knows they are all crooked one way or another but you cant beat details :D ive always wanted to know how much the backhander was that teh guy got who said all hail and ride taxis had to have a disabled chair in teh front that nearly kills able bodied people HANG ON WERNT YOU GOING TO START YOR OWN THREAD SO THAT THIS ONE COLD BE LEFT TO BEEN ABOUT PERVY TAXI DRIVERS ? |
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I was going to just see how this thread went then I see I missed a new member. Wow what a pratt, if he is thinking or is already a politician then god help us all.
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Do you have a hidden agenda, you say you are not Labor, you say you are not Conservative. Are you Asain? if so why not say so. Are you a cab driver? again why not say so. Earlier someone explaned to you that everyone on here says what the want, and in fact 80% know each other and can have banter with each other. Why are you scared of divulging who you are or who you represent. You keep claiming in more then one reply that you know more about this and that workings in the council, yet you still have shown no proof, you come out with information that is available to the general public and claim to know more. I doubt it, I think your a blow hard, a shtstirrer, and have just joined to have an argument about something that really you know very little about. I remember that women who kept coming on here a couple of years ago, talking about a panopticon for the coppice, she said she had inside information, she claimed to be our friend, told us it was going to happen, lost her rag a couple of times, what ever happened to her? |
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Sorry Chav I was trying to do a tongue in cheek thing, forgot the smiley. :)
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Claytonender,
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a member of the Central Ward, nor am I affiliated to any members as you suggest. Such speculation is well wide of the mark. It was not I that raised the issue about members of the Central Ward. I merely asked Mr Jones his view on comments he made in the local press. That is what sparked off discussion pertaining to some of the other members. Rest assured I am able to elaborate in relation to other wards and councillors in Hyndburn. That does not mean that my comments in relation to those would be debasing. However, when discussion is raised about those I think are not fit to run for public office, then I have an inalienable right to express my view. Such is the principle of democracy. Rest assured, there is more to come going forward. With tangible evidence. Gondola tells it as it is. |
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CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THE POLOTICS TO A NEW THREAD this is about taxi lincencing .....NOT all & all out polotics.!!!!!!
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Bazf,
You suggest I am pontificating on issues about which I know little. Others, from their comments to me appear to disagree. I guess it takes two to make a market. You strike me as someone with a vested interest to ensure that those to whom I have referred are not questioned about the manner in which they conduct themselves. However, in order to give you the benefit of doubt, I though it right and proper that your previous commentary on this thread be reviewed before arriving at a judgement about yourself. I lift verbatim from your post on another thread, in which you wrote: ''People actually vote for idiots, I am amazed how uneducated some politicians are'' If that is your benchmark, then I am amazed that you robustly defend Mr Siddique and Safdar. |
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''Will you kindly explain what an 'internal selection process' is gondola I think it more appropriate to defer to the better judgement of Mr Jones on that issue, save to point out that the process to which I referred was a clear contest, and the winner of such a contest would have been selected as the candidate for the Central Ward. As i pointed out previously, the outcome was decided by a difference of one vote. |
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''Why is this not a major issue, that his command of the English language is limited, Mr Siddique as a councillor has or is supposed to represent all his constituents. This is England not Pakistan. Hear my song Violetta'' You clearly have a point, and one with which I concur. In my considered view, the Councillor must represent all members of his ward, and thus if an ability to commmunicate effectively is an impediment then surely it must be considered. Ultimately, it is the voting public that dictate whether this issue is sufficiently important to them. When I stated that it was not a 'major' issue, I suggested it relative to other issues about these Councillors I considered more important. Should you have a grievance about the credentails candidates selected as Councillors by a political party, then I cheerfully recommend that you take up the issue with the party concerned. |
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In fact, judging by your command of language, are you Mr Siddique!!
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Come on tell us why your on here.
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Can i just ask something - what has the selection process for a councillor in Hyndburn got to do with Taxi Drivers that have a conviction for a sexual offence?
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Gondola promised to start a new thread for it Jen but instead has carried on in this one.
That doesn't half sound like your average local politician, promising to start new things and then just carrying on with the old ones. ;) BTW Gondola, it would make reading your posts much easier if, when you are quoting someone else, you actually did so by using the 'quote' button which will embed their original post within yours. Like this: Quote:
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You make some very salient points, though it would be better to make such points on the basis of tangible material rather than inference. I think readers wish to reserve this thread for discussion of the decision of the Licensing committee, hence if you wish to take on the issues re selection matters, credentials of councillors, information pertaining to specific councillors I am more than happy to contribute on a separate thread. I think there is already one set up elsewhere discussing councillors, and thus that may be the best platform to raise such matters. So far as regards the charge that I have sought to disrupt the discussion for which this thread was set up, I would remind readers that I did provide a plethora of material in relation to that, not least including links to the actual meeting at which the decision was made, coupled with ideas to elevate the matter. Hardly the conduct of someone seeking to suppress active discussion. Thus no more from me on unrelated matters here, and I cheerfully recommend restoration of discussion to the title of this thread. |
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Gosh Ian, I can answer that no brainer without looking through more than your question . . . Hmmmm . . . . oh yeah, NO! I fear that may not be the 100% consensus then eh?
Brian Thanks asking Cuz Ian. Been fine. Getting lots of gardening, landscaping farming stuff done. Me body is killing me but it feels Great!! |
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''but purely for selfish, self interest in one semi illiterate Councillors own back yard'' Correct me if im wrong, but are you suggesting that the decision was skewed by the disproportionate impact of one Committee member? Now that is interesting! You are right. The interests of the victim and other users should have been of paramount importance. |
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'influence and pressure that can be brought to bear by any committee chair on fellow members' Since you directly infer it to be the Chair that skewed the decision, that puts to one side generic discussion re the same. I think that the group set up to investigate this matter need to consider such speculation. Otherwise it will not be readily accepted by the cynical public . I am taking this discussion to the Councillor thread, where I shall paste some of the previous posts to serve as an overview. You are more than welcome to join me over there. I sincerely hope those on this thread are successful in their objective of promoting the safety of vulnerable passengers. |
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Ianto,
I have set up a new thread for this matter (Councillors in Hyndburn - Are they fit for purpose?) So far as regards who to ask to ensure the anticipated investigation is fair, comprehensive and balanced, I think Councillor Jones may be someone to contact in the first instance as someone to champion the cause. Of course it is not my decision to nominate him for such a purpose, but I merely suggest it as a possible avenue. Perhaps the MP? One thing I do know, is that the more weight given to it, the more chance of it being successful. This thread has served to illustrate that. Constant dripping hollows out a stone. |
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I saw a newspaper hoarding which said 'Sex case taxi driver has TB'.
Since I don't get the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, and it isn't on their website yet, is this connected to the drivers in Accrington? Anyone who had read tonight's L.E.T. care to inform us? |
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I haven't read it but there's an high percentage of people in this area with it or being treated prophylactically.?spel
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My good gracious....I have been away for a weekend and look at how this thread has developed....... a bit politically acrimonious, to say the least.
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Hello,
I made an application to set up an E-Petition with the Prime Minister's Office at Downing Street some time ago; and after a little bit of to'ing and fro'ing it has finally been approved: - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/hyndburntaxi/ Let's sign up and make sure that Accyweb can help to keep others safe? At the very least it has put the Hyndburn debacle on the national agenda. It would be nice it this topic could be made 'sticky' for a while so we can get maximum publicity for the petition which will be closed on July 10th 2007. Suz x. |
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Just signed, good idea Suzster!
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I have just signed - only 4 of us listed as yet!
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i too have just signed.well done suzster.good work.
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