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lol...thanks grego:D
castrea???? emmmm

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Since you are volunteering for the job a set of blunt rusty scissors and some binding are on there way. ;)

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Think two bricks are more appropriate:D

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What about a set of nut crackers??

This would be fun. :D

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Can i order all of them - just for a direct threat to use them when a laundry basket of ironing even heads in my direction - even me & ironing in same subject line is bad enough suggestion! :D

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I can think of another use for the iron to do with this topic though it might be inhumane. DISCLAIMER: I am not encouraging Accymel to do anything that might cause harm to her target.

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I bet i'd already thought of it :D iron out some creased nuts:rolleyes: mind u im that rubbish at ironing i'll put in more creases:D

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dont be using two brick its to easy to trap your own thumbs.:eek:

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No it was more to do with the steam it creates and the fact that most irons have a boost button. No need to iron out the creases just steam them out. As the jet is wide it would be more than the creases that cop it. :D

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As much as it might give satisfaction to the victims, castration does not not stop people carrying on sexually abusing, as has been proved in countries were chemical castration is carried out on sex offenders. It's more about power than sexual gratification.

A partial lobotomy thrown in, as well as a castration, might well stop 'em though.:D

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A kick to the nuts usually disables 'em long enough to run away.

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Dear All,
I note with astonishment the decision of the Private Hire and Hackney Carriage Licensing Judicial Committee to reinstate the licence of the ghastly Mr Altaf, a man convicted November last of sexually touching a passenger. This aspect of the issue has been widely reported in the press and thus there exists no need to elucidate further here.
An issue that does merit further discussion however, is the rationale behind the clearly flawed decision. Whilst every case is dealt on it’s merits, there are strict guidelines that need to be enforced to ensure that members of the public are afforded appropriate protection from those that represent a risk to them. The Judicial Committee is comprised of individuals that have been elected to serve the needs of the residents of Hyndburn whom they represent. There has to be a sense of accountability, and the interests of the members of the public ought to be at the forefront of their minds when adjudicating on such matters.
It is disturbing to note that had it not been for a ‘mole’ or some such, coupled with the efforts of Councillor Pritchard, then this matter would not have permeated into the public domain. The extent and severity of public reaction has led to the matter being reviewed, bit it still does not remotely alter the fact that those put in a position of responsibility to adjudicate on such important matters need to account for the basis of their decision. Whilst the decision of the Council to review systems and regulations to prevent such an egregious error going forward has to be welcomed, it does nothing to address whether or not systematic guidelines were followed in the first place. Surely, mitigating factors submitted by the applicant would not have been sufficient to offset his ghastly crime. If mitigation was sufficiently robust, then surely the decision would not have subsequently been altered. This reaffirms the view that it is not so much the alteration of regulations that ought to be the main thrust going forward, more the fact that such regulations need to be implemented in a sacrosanct manner .
This raises the issue of how many previous such cases may have been granted disproportionate leniency. Councillor Britcliffe proposes the setting up of a Cabinet Action Group or some such. Would such a group review previous cases dealt by the same adjudicating members to ensure that we do not have other similarly convicted drivers posing a potential and current threat to members of the public?
It is noteworthy that at the meeting on the 19th of February, the committee dealt with several other cases in addition to that of Mr Altaf. More importantly, they considered it appropriate to revoke the licence of at least one applicant. In order to establish a basis for comparative evaluation, I think it imperative that the details of the application revoked be disclosed to those responsible for investigation. Only by so doing, can the possibility of preferential bias be excluded.
For the benefit of readers , I attach below a link of the meeting of the 19th of February, including details of Committee members:
http://ww2.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/your_council/corporate_services/Member_Services/docs/doc1724_20070309_jud_report.pdf
Separately, I am in the process of referring to the Standards Board, matters pertaining to the conduct of Councillor A. Dad, Chair of the Judicial Committee. It is well known that Mr Dad earns of significant income from working, almost invariably every weekend, as a cameraman /photographer at Asian weddings. I think it needs to be established, what proportion , if any, of this income is actually disclosed.
Moreover, in relation to the decision to restore Mr Altaf’s licence it is ironic to note that Mr Dad is a member of, inter alia, the Community Safety and Wellbeing Committee. You simply could not make it up.

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Well done Claytonender for getting your letter published and to Gayle too and all the others who wrote to them .. certainly stirred things up. Pat on the back for Accy Observer who brought this matter to our attention; feel sure that this thread will have had some impact too.

Has to be a zero tolerance on this problem, otherwise, will prompt other assaults in the future. Don't think I would get away with grabbing anyone's ***** at work would be acceptable and would expect my P45 to be on my desk very quickly, as in most businesses, so no different with this issue.

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Very well put Gondola.

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Whilst a matter for the tax people I think that has no relevance to the re-instatement of the licence.

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LancsDave,

Your comment is noted. I agree that this issue in itself is not germaine to the case of Mr Altaf, I merely stated it to serve to remind readers of the affairs of those adjudicating.

More important is the issue of Mr Dad being a member of the Community Safety Committee. Indubitably, a man who considers it appropriate that a sex offender has his licence reinstated is not fit to determine strategy on community safety.

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Yeh, did spring to my mind too Willow .. think Gondola better be careful here .. accusing him of tax fraud methinks ?

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Katex, I don't think there is anything in Gondola's post that accuses him(Allah Dad) of anything. Maybe Gondola was alluding to the close links Councillor Dad has with the muslim community and therefore his actions may have been influenced by those close links. A bit of 'you scratch my back, and i'll scratch yours' sort of thing.

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what puzzles me more willow is apologies for P.B.s abscense at the meeting, as leader and surely aware of the gravity of this.:(

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Well, if he wasn't......you can bet your neck that he is now!

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I have not made any inferences as such. I have stated that the decision of the Commitee was palpably absurd, and this view has been endorsed by most residents in Hyndburn. I do assert, however, that Mr Dad, in my considered view, is not fit to serve on the Community Safety Committee if he considers it right that a man convicted of sexual assault or some such ought to have his licence reinstated.

So far as regards Mr Dad's photography work, that he undertakes it is indubitable. In relation to income derived from it, I have not made tangible assertions and thus have not accused him of anything. If, or when i do, I would first ensure that i had appropraite evidence to substantiate the same.

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Beg to differ with you for once Margaret.

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I would rather put clearly my Labour Party hat on on this next mute point then it is clear where I am coming from.

Clr Allah Dad is chair of Taxi Licensing. He is also chair of the Taxi Liaison Committee.

The Taxi Liaison Committee was set up by Clr Britcliffe to listen to the concerns of Taxi driver representaives. Clr Britcliffe refused to put any Labour Councillors on but did include two Conservative Councillors. Allah Dad and Clr Brian Roberts, Deputy Leader and also a member of the Taxi Licensing Committee. The Police were also invited as well as Taxi Drivers and our Licensing Officer. Minutes are not circulated to Labour Councillors.

Surely there has to be a conflict of interest with Clr Dad and Clr Roberts both sitting on the Taxi Licensing Committee as well. And why no Labour Councillors.

I also notice the Council hardly told the full truth in the Observer today. Why did they not admit that they did not suspend the second drivers license when he was in custody. What we got again was, there was a loophole in the law so we did nothing.

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Anonimity is a very wise move Gondola,;) even snakes can read here as guests.:D

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In fact, i think residents of Hyndburn ought to take up the issue with the Member Of Parliament. Perhaps they should ask him if he considers it right and proper that a councillor that downplays the significance of a taxi driver assaulting a female passenger, should be part of a committee formalising strategy on community safety.

Let me put it this way. If Mr Dad had a daughter, would he allow her to be escorted by Mr Altaf. And if not, would his view be formed on the basis that it was not safe for them to be so escorted.

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Katex, I noted that, but I don't construe it as an accusation. To me it looks like stating a fact and then wondering how much disclosure there has been.......not an accusation in my book.

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i,m with margret on this katex, what you highlighted is a question not an accusation to me. soz,;)

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Katex,

For the avoidance of doubt, Mr Dad is well known as a camerman at Asian weddings. Should you wish to test the veracity of this asserion, then perhaps you would care to take a stroll down to the Portland Street Community Centre on any weekend when there is a wedding. Mr Dad will undoubtedly be there, along with his camera equipment.

Now, if that is declared, it is not an issue. I am not saying it is not declared. I merely state that i propose to find out.

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Still can't put it too strongly again however :-

ZERO TOLERANCE, ZERO TOLERANCE, NO OTHER WAY

No pussy footing.

There phew, gonna' have me dinner now.. x

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spot on Katex.

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Well, we will just agree to differ then cashman, looked like an accusation to me !.. even putting out the question is a sort of accusation and puts ideas in people's minds that he is earning monies that may not be declared. Don't really know why he mentioned it in the first place if he had doubts about it being undeclared income.

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the bottom line is -those who voted to re-instate are NOT fit to hold office, and if they are not removed by the leader then anyways fine by me.

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I note from the local press today, that Councillor Jones asserts that there have been 'mutterings and rumblings' about licensing issues for years. Further, he is said to have indicated that 'Councillor Britcliffe knows there are skeletons in the cupboard'

Perhaps Mr Jones would care to elaborate. Moreover, do such skeletons infer that there are other cases of reinstatement of licences when clearly the facts suggested a decision to the contrary would have been more appropriate.

No point sitting on the fence Mr Jones. Let's have it out.

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Solicitors will pour over every word said, so answering questions about individual cases is obviously a faux pas as you are no doubt aware. I think for the subject to have come so far in to the open has been encouraging.

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So Councillors are supposed to represent the people but they aren't actually allowed to tell the people how they're representing us?

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I think the statement that there are indeed 'skeletons in the cupboard' may in itself be something that could be subject to defamatory process. Thus, since you made it, I suspect that you had sufficient evidence to substantiate your view. However, i appreciate that it may be appropriate not to divulge further yet, for obvious reasons.

As part of his 'urgent review' into the case of Mr Altaf, does Mr Britcliife intend to disclose into the public domain the objective decision making process used by adjudicators to reinstate the licence. If not, then amending the rules is a futile exercise, since as i posted out in my first contribution here, unless the rules are implemented and adhered to there is no purpose in having them.

For me it is not a case of ascertainig if the rules in place were sufficiently robust. I suspect they were. The main thrust in my considered view, is what made adjudicators exercise leniency. Unless, or until we get to the bottom of that aspect of this investigation, there is little purpose in having the investigation in the first place.

Incidentally, I agree that the manner in which this investigation is to be orchestrated is neither fair nor appropriate. It ought to be far more balanced

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As citizens of Hyndburn I feel that we should press for the investigation to be carried out by equal numbers of Labour and Tory Councillors, and for the findings to be published, for all to see. I realise that some areas of the procedures will be bound by confidentiality, but we need the investigation to be open and frank.
I am also very concerned by Graham's information the both councillors Allah Dad and Brian Roberts sit on both the Taxi Liaison Committee and the Taxi Licensing Committee. This is akin to running witht he stag and hunting witht he hounds. Also why, when the compostion of Hyndburn Council is 18 Conservative 16 Labour and 1 Independent (who is a Tory in all but name) is there not at least 1 Labour member of the Taxi Liaison Committee. Maybe Peter Britcliffe will give us an answer.

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I want to know if there are any more dodgy drivers who we haven't heard about.:(

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Well are there any other taxi drivers convicted of similar offences still plying their trade as taxi drivers:confused: if so lets name names sureley thats not libel if it's a fact. Answers would be very welcome, as my lady wife uses them in the early hours, I could then make alternative arrangements.

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anybody aware when this "review" / "meeting" takes place? maybe i missed summat.

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Observer Front Page & 2nd Page.

Result.

Power of AccyWeb.:)

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Cashy you planning to gate crash it to be certain he looses it full stop?

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Cashy do anthing untoward??:D

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I have requested that the Accrington Observer asks for information on taxi drivers that are licensed, despite a conviction of a sexual nature, from all East Lancashire Councils, under the freedom of information act: -

http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/...tory_id=224713

Suz x.

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Nice one suz can u put your petition on here if people should wish to sign it for you??

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Blimey i just read some of the comments on there - quite strong views on both sides tho i feel that if you are in a postion of trust then u should be of law abiding standard!! This guy was found guilty by the law so there must of been strong evidence to suggest so despite that there are a few ridiculous defence comments:rolleyes:

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Hi AccyMel,

Maybe it's something the admins at Accyweb can set up and we can do a joint submission of the petitions to the Department for Transport (and maybe the Commons via Greg Pope/Jack Straw) on 1st July?

I'm certain that the Department for Transport would issue guidance if they were aware of this farcical situation.

Interestingly, and reassuringly, transport authorities (County Council's etc), who buy in the education transport taking children to schools using taxi's, INSIST that each taxi/private hire driver completes an additional CRB with them before letting them transport children! Is this because they don't trust the decisions of the taxi licensing authorities - you bet it is!!!! :mad:

Suz x.

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True point Suz :D thought it would be easier as u cant click the web addy u put up, im sure a petition of this nature is ok to post the web addy:confused:

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Hi AccyMel,

It may be best to start your own as it will save Accyweb members having to register on my site to sign the petition. I didn't want to switch on guest posting as it will devalue the petition as it would be open to flooding :(

At least his face will be plastered over the front page of my website until at least July - this isn't going away until the public receive some reassurance - on a County and then national basis!!

Suz x.

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Okies Suz no problem i understand now :D

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lol anyone else thinking a certain kind of job woulda covered what she was short ;)

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Suzster,

The process to which your refer, for purposes of soliciting information, is not as straightforward as you suggest.

I attach a link for below for those not remotely expert on this issue. This serves as an overview, but in itself is not entirely comprehensive

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2000/00036--a.htm#1

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In the first instance I suggest, if i might, that readers refer this matter to the Member of Parliament for his consideration. Now he may suggest that it is not directly his remit to participate in this issue, however, in terms of elevating this matter to a broader stage, I think at the very least he ought to express his view.

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I rather cheerfully recommend that those Councillors on the Judicial Committee that reinstated the licence resign their postions on this Commitee, effective immediately. It is readily obvious to most constituents they represent that their judgement is at best flawed, possibly worse (I decline further commentary on this issue at this stage for fear of making an egregious remark).

The decision in itself was remarkable, but was made more deplorable by the fact that one Committee member was female (Councillor M.Haworth), and another member (Councillor A. Dad) is a representative on the Community Safety and Wellbeing Committee.

This is an absurd joke.

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Hi Gondola,

Under the freedom of information act you will be able to request this information as it is absolutely in the public interest. The information released would be statistical rather than detailed, i.e. between 01/01/06 and 23/03/07 ** taxi drivers were licensed, despite having a conviction of a sexual nature.

The reason I belive that the information exists is that a local government officer would automatically refuse the initial licence application. It would then go to appeal, and the outcome would be decided by elected members. These meetings would be minuted.

Can a Councillor please confirm if this is an accurate assumption? :)

Suz x.

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Suzster,

The information can readily be obtained in the format as set out below (this particular link is for the actual meeting at which the matter of Mr Altaf was dealt):

http://ww2.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/your_co...jud_report.pdf

Thus, it is not a task of herculean proportion to obtain the same for an extended period of time.

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Suzster,

In relation to whether or not there are other cases of inappropriate reinstatements, Councillor Jones indicated that there exist 'other skeletons in the cupboard'. He has declined to elaborate, but i note that there has not been a denial from those that may have been responsible for such 'skeletons'.

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amongst all this waffle has anyone named the other taxi firm yet ?

sory if it has been mentioned but theres only so much waffle i can read before my mind switches off

all i need to know is

perverts = bad thing

which firms are employing them = ?

if anyone can fill in the missing answer i as well as many women will be very greatfull

if the other firm has been mentioned then again i appologise but liek i sated earlier too much waffle and i switch off , infact if i read this very post agin i will probably switch off after line 4

thanx

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Chav,

Doubtless to say, you have chosen an appropriate username. It is rather fitting.

Whilst you may think that the issue is merely a case of naming and shaming specific drivers and firms, more enlightend readers realise that to get to the root of the problem the systematic procedures and the failure to implement them is what needs to be addressed.

Close the door on your way out.

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The other Taxi firm in question is Adams private hire taxis, the other one is remanded in custody due to be tried at Preston crown court who worked for CB.

Subclause - the 2nd cabbie is now not working for adams private hire

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thanx for the info and the nice short answer :)

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hmmm

fu ck off

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You welcome Chav straight to the point me:D

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I'd find your feet on the forum, I suggest, before you start making presumptions about other members of Accy Web. Chav1, as those of us that have met him, isn't actually a chav.

You'll find your time here much more rewarding if you don't prejudge people here, esecially from something as superfical as a person's user name.;)

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Garinda,

I suspected from Chav's first post that as a child he had been the the beneficiary of indifferent education. His second post served to confirm the suspicion.

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And I think you may find "Gondola" that we are from all different kinds of backgrounds and walks of life but come together on this forum and I for one enjoy the difference's we all have.....

and if you would care to go back to the beginning of this thread you will find that the question most people wanted to know was who was this "driver" working for and couldn't give a stuff about systematic procedures...the immediacy was to safeguard us!!!!

So get off your high horse won't ya :rolleyes:

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...yeah, yeah, whatever.

Sad when people make silly assumptions about people.

Infact I'm begining to make them myself right now about someone.;)

Please try to keep on thread re: this topic, and try and keep the personal insults out of it.

Garinda. Accy Web's Asian Babe.:)

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and i suspect you are an opposing member of teh council or have ties to the opposing members of council and are simply using these assaults on women to score points against the conservitaves . At least graham jones although i dont personaly agree with a lot of what he says has teh balls to use his real name and even though gayle knight at times has her moments of lunarcy she uses her real name

hey plenty of people dont use their real name but then again plenty of people dont coem here simply to sling mud so we dont need to


oh hell now it sounds liek iem a PB supporter

if your reading this PB mines a pint of stella :D

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gondola...... the best way, to get the best impression & more so the friendliness of some of the accywebbers, is to come to a meeting & then you can at least KNOW who you are slagging off ......... we do so to members whom we know personally ....no offence is taken just lots of pm's flying about ....not online ...disscretion is the best form on here!!!!





next meet boars head .....31st march ..you are quite welcome to attend ........ roughly about 30 members each meet do ...

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ime just misunderstood realy :o

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''At least graham jones although i dont personaly agree with a lot of what he says has teh balls to use his real name''

Just as you do chav!!. I think it is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

So far as regards my motives, I am simply attempting to unravel the truth behind this scandalous event.

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So far as regards my motives, I am simply attempting to unravel the truth behind this scandalous event. ----- oh yeh? you just became a member, this is the only thread you have contributed to, that suggests to me an ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

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If we judged each other on our user names, to me 'gondola' conjures up a picture of a greasy Ita, stirring the **** with his pole, whilst going through the filthy waters of Venice.:D

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Cashman,

Idiots such as yourself, with their banal rantings admit impediment to enabling the unravelling of the truth in matters such as this. I reiterate to you my previous point, that the issue is to attempt to ensure that there is not a repeat of the astounding decision, far less the intention to score points. Failure to ascertain the reasons for this decision occuring in the first place may allow a similar situation to occur again, and that may potentially prove costly. Hence i assert that you cease your stupidity.

It costs to be stupid. The more stupid you are, the more it costs.

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Dont like your attitude Gondola, how dare you come on this site and insult its members like that!

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You do not need to be a brain surgeon to work you out 'gondola', the fence is were you come from, get back on it or come back with some constructive answers, the members of this forum are no fools to be baffled by your bull****, and I will quote you "I am only simply attempting to unravel the truth behind this scandalous event" Donald Duck could and has already done that, stop stating the obvious and make a constructive statement, instead of slagging members off. Name and address supplied upon request!

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Hence i assert that you cease your stupidity. -- you assert, throwing yer toys out of the pram now are we?

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I think you will find that the information i have submitted since my appearance on this thread yesterday has been nothing save 'constructive'. I have actually submiited tangible material, with a considered view supported by facts. It was Chav that decided to lower the standards with his industrial language.

Loyalty to your 'numpty' friend is fine, but not when it means sacrificing a principle.

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Can we please get back onto the topic.

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That was after you'd already insulted him, what your excuse for the insult on Cashman? Nobody was saying that your input wasn't constructive, I think just a bit surprised at the insults.

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Willow,

You suggest that you find my attitude towards dyslexics offensive. Can you point me to any reference i have made to dyslexic people, let alone a negative one.

I think i am owed an apology

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The current Council and it's supporters and anyone who prejudges people have no principles.

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I agree with clayton - discussion needs to be restored to the title of this thread.

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Chav asked:

You responded:

Which in my opinion was totally uncalled for.

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agree willow, gondola did make some constructive comments earlier in the thread,but i think the guys so far up his own backside,hes lost the plot.

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Dear Supporters of Chavs,

I have found the responses posted by Chav complete and utter tosh. He ought to spend his time at an allotment or some such. Obviously others disagree.

For purposes of ensuring this thread is not hijacked by a discussion about the hallmarks of chaves, I suggest a line is drawn under it.

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This phase of the discussion is not about chav's mentality, it is yours!

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I think you may have just confirmed that you are indeed a politician of some sort. Supporters in non-political terms are known as friends and you also wanted the last word :rolleyes:

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One thing which has gone completely over your head gondola is the fact that Chav1 is not an actual chav. The username is tongue in cheek. My username is likewise - everyone who knows me knows that a less willowy person you are never likely to meet.

Are we to assume from your name that you are a traditional Venetian rowing boat plying to and fro on the canal? :rolleyes:

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Willow,

Using a pseudonym ought not be frowned upon - after all the facility exists for a purpose. It was not chav's username, but his actions that led me to address him as pond life. After all, his use of expletives was entirely unjustified. Yet i did not see his 'supporters' suggesting he maintain his counsel.

One rule for one and one for another. Double standards are the hallmark of those that choose to defend his moronic ways.

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TAXI FOR GONDOLA....

Oh but which firm do we ring???? :rolleyes:

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I thought Chav told you where to go after you'd insulted him!
Anyway back on thread, phone CB'S:D