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But what's going to catch their eye when they're looking for somewhere to locate a new factory, for example? Yes, I know, I know, communications, cost, workforce etc, but an area needs that little bit of sales appeal in this "brand conscious" era. I admit, I can't prove it, it's just a feeling I have.

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Don't start the postal address one again.

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Any council worth their salt could promote a town called Slag Heap, in the Borough of Turdsville, as long as they are offering the right transport links, relevant workforce, housing, affordable business rates etc.

You think that the worldwide customers for Castle Cement's products care, or are even interested, that they pay their rates to Ribble Valley Borough Council?

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Possibly, but as far as I'm aware, Castle Cement's been there for a long time. If you're looking to attract new business into an area, it pays to have a well-known name. At the moment, the borough is promoted as Hyndburn which means zilch to anyone outside East Lancs. I've already said that the other factors you mention are important, but, in my personal opinion, to have a known brand name could, in certain situations, give the borough the "edge".

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It's always been a mystery to me, that the postal address is Accrington as I knew Rising Bridge was in Rossendale, thanks for satisfying my curiosity.:)

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We have all the brand names we need already - Accrington, Oswaldtwistle, Church etc.

'Hyndburn' has never been used to promote town centre shopping in Accrington or the mill experience at Oswaldtwistle Mills, or any of the other attractions. Hyndburn is an administrative name - it is used for collecting council tax, rubbish collections and for other local things. It does not need to change administratively in order to promote the towns, even for business. In fact, you could put together a business brochure advertising space in Accrington and Districts and it would be fine - no one would object to that at all.

What we're all objecting to is the huge cost of the name change purely for administrative reasons.

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Well, if it's such a bad idea, how come it seems to be the one thing that the council leader, the opposition leader and the local MP all agree on in principle?

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costs are not always a valid argument.;)

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Ironic isn't it.

However, I don't think the true cost has been thought out. Take for example Graham's first post on this thread and then later ones - sounds to me like he's started to cost some of it out.

The thing is that it's going to have support - mostly from the slightly older end if you'll forgive me for saying - because most of those people didn't want the name Hyndburn in the first place.

However, the point is that Hyndburn covers a district made up of eight towns, Accrington being only one of them (the biggest admittedly) and the fact that the name Hyndburn is generic means that it can easily describe that area. For example, reading the Observer and the number of articles that say 'Hyndburn councillors.......' or 'Residents in Hyndburn........' or 'Across Hyndburn...........' etc. It's just an umbrella name.

By changing it to Accrington and Districts you are actually fragmenting the area and not strengthening it.

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Yes, Gayle, I know I'm an old git! :D But I really don't see what's the problem with naming a borough after the largest and best-known town in that borough. There are examples of it all over the country. And I think the advantages in terms of national profile far outweigh the disadvantages.

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I can see all the disadvantages which arn't just money. But I can't see any advantage other than Greg Pope won't be too embarresed to mention where he comes from..

What about the many companies who have built up reputations using Hyndburn in the company name.. are listed in directories on and off line and who are known far and wide as hyndburn blah blah ... what about them ? It isn't just a case of changing there bins..

I can only see percieved advantages which are on thin ice to say the least. I see real and actual disadvantages.

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I'm standing by my information that one 'Welcome to...' roadsign costs £5,000, according to my reliable source. I challenge anyone from the council to come up with another figure.

As there are four signs in Oswaldtwistle alone, that's twenty grand, never mind the rest of the borough.

Going by by what was spent on refurbishing Broadway as a guide, I put the figure for this name change at half a million pounds.

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As stated earlier, I think it is naive to think that the name of the borough has any bearing on anybody either relocating, or investing in the area. It just wouldn't enter into the equation.

I had the job of finding a location, and setting up a new part of the business, as part of a larger multi-million pound company.

The location was Glasgow. Again as stated earlier, the fact that we paid our business rates to Strathclyde Regional Council, didn't even come up. However what they had to offer us as a company, and how much they would charge us to trade there via business rates, did matter.

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The thing is that it's going to have support - mostly from the slightly older end if you'll forgive me for saying - because most of those people didn't want the name Hyndburn in the first place.------------------------ your spot on with that gayle,i,m an older git than wynonie.:D

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just curious , but dont the 'old' urban districts still have their own entry signs still up e.g. " Welcome to Great Harwood" or " Now entering Great Harwood" or Rishton or Oswaldtwistle
As for the Bin wagons , is there really any need to change the Logos from Hyndburn ? since they will still be servicing the whole borough , not like each 'district ' still has its own assigned equipment

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Because the population of Accrington is only one third of the population of Hyndburn.

Yes, if it had been called Accrington and Districts 30 years ago then I'd be making the same protests now if they wanted to change it to Accrington. It is not the name that is broken and changing it won't fix all the things that are.

Two rights don't make a right.

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All I can say is this - I believe that Accrington is a much better known name than Hyndburn. But that's not saying much because Hyndburn is totally unknown outside of East Lancashire. I also believe that Accrington is a much better known name than all the other, smaller towns in the borough. In my opinion and in my experience, Clayton Le Moors, Church, Rishton, Great Harwood and Altham are not well-known at national level. Again, in my opinion and experience, Oswaldtwistle is known, but only in a limited way.

Accrington, on the other hand, enjoys a degree of national recognition way, way beyond its standing as a small North-West ex-mill town of 38,000 souls. There are towns much bigger than Accrington which are not nearly as well-known. There are two major reasons which have been discussed at length on this site and elsewhere - one involves courage, loyalty, comradeship and ultimately tragedy. The other concerns a dream that was cruelly shattered and then through sheer persistence, came to life again in the face of all odds, proving that in today's harshly commercial sporting world, there is still a little bit of romance to be found occasionally.

The end result is that Accrington is a nationally, perhaps even internationally famous brand name. It therefore seems to me that the borough should make the most of this by changing its name from Hyndburn to Accrington & Districts. I know that business rates, available workforce, communications and many other factors are of far more importance to companies who are looking to relocate or expand and perhaps you're right, Gary, perhaps I am being naive. But the people who make these decisions are human beings and I believe that sometimes a well-known name can swing it in a particular area's favour. As I said before, I have no examples to prove this, it's just something I feel instinctively.

And can I just say to you Hyndburnites who are thinking, "It's all right for him, he won't have to pay for it." that I have fought for this since 1974. I conducted a war of words against committed Hyndburn supporters like Wyn Hogan and Eric Roberts in the letters columns of the Observer in the early '80's while living in my little bachelor pad in Bash, so I was quite prepared to pay for it...because I think it's worth it.

I shal now go and get my tin hat.

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We're not arguing with you on that Wynonie. Accrington is known around the world and if I wanted to attract a big business to the area I would produce a brochure inviting people to see Accrington and surrounding districts.

The point is and always has been that Hyndburn is an administrative name. It can remain an administrative name within the area and the towns can be promoted beyond the area individually because they are all individual.

I won't argue with you that it shouldn't have been changed in the first place - I was only young at the time and have no recollection of it. But just because it shouldn't have changed in the first place is no justification for changing it again. And remember, it's not being changed back and that is a very weak argument. It was never Accrington and Districts and I suspect that you would have objected to that just as strongly back in 1974 as a resident of Baxenden.

Yet another argument - Accrington and Districts sounds really old and stuffy - it's an old fashioned name, find me other '.....and Districts' in the UK - if you want to link something with its heritage then go with an old sounding name but if the desire is to attract new business then you need something bright and exciting. You can't have both!

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In 1974, I was actually living in Claret Street (just around the corner from Mr & Mrs Britcliffe's off-licence!). Didn't move to Bash until 1981. However, my instinct was to name the whole area Greater Accrington. Given the choice bewtween Hyndburn and Accrington & Districts, I would go for the latter everytime. The first part of the name is instantly recognisable and the fact that there is no other "& Districts" in the UK is pleasingly individualistic to me, a little like the exclamation mark in Westward Ho! It also acknowledges that there are other towns in the borough which is surely what you want. Personally, I like the new name!

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all those businesses ( ie sighn makers)who will benefit from this venture will be chums of the council leaders no doubt. nobody cares for the name hyndburn and hence it doesnt get mentioned. i have never in my life told anyone im from hyndburn so why spend money on this as everbody already refers to accrington as accrington. it is accrington nothing will physically change

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i agree the district bit sounds cute, but is that a realistic reflection of the town. and would you spell that out fully to people everytime someone asks where your from.
the instant recognition stems from a footy advert- now in my mind that means chav territory. how can that improve a towns image?
why waste precious resources in this day and age on uneccessary idle luxuries in the times of global warming

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Firstly, it was a milk advert.

Secondly, that was in the late 80's. Do you not know about what's happened to the town's football team since then?

Thirdly, Accrington Stanley are not associated with chavs and never have been, or do you think that all football is automatically associated with chavs?

Fourthly, have you never heard of the Accrington Pals?

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I have been told that the 'welcome to' signs are replaced regularly and are due to be replaced this year anyway,if the name wasn't being changed there would still have been new signs made bearing the old name so there will not be extra cost.

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Rising Bridge's Postal Address was always Accrington even before i was born.

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I think you've been misinformed, and if the borough's signs are changed as regularly as a tramp's underwear, as you suggest, that just shows how financially bankrupt our council is. But they aren't regularly changed for no reason. Fact.


Sorry to burst your bubble Wynonie, but twenty years spent mostly in London, and no one has any idea where Accrington is. Mind you most of them don't know where Lancashire is either.

Perhaps Lancashire County Council should rebrand it's self, to something new, and more parochial.

How about Preston of the Guild and District County Council?:D

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You're not bursting my bubble in the slightest, Gary. I, too, have spent long periods working away from the North and I'm well aware that most folk have no more idea of where Accrington is (apart from the fact that it's somewhere "up North") than they have about the location of any other small town outside their locality. I was just pointing out that Accrington has got the all-important recognition factor way above the level that most small towns enjoy and that the council should use that recognition to its best advantage!

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Of course not, he'll say Oswaldtwistle.

It's only when he's asked what he does, he becomes flustered, and has to mention the 'H' word.

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I've started a thread before, about visiting friends of mine, and their reaction to Accrington.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...age-23398.html

Milly from Milan/London had never heard of Accrington. My two Scottish friends had heard of it, and were expecting some chav town dump, and were pleasantly suprised.

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I meet quite a lot of people who come here for the first time and most of them have never heard of Accrington. The first impressions are usually favourable ones, especially from people who come from more arid regions as they remark on all the greenery. One girl from a particularly flat region of the USA who saw the Coppice for the first time cried out "Oh gee! A mountain!" :D

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If they're from overseas, maybe, but my experience is that there are very few people in the UK who have not heard of Accrington, quite unusual really for a town of its size; I think that this is a very valuable asset to the borough and one that should be exploited to its fullest extent.

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Whenever we went abroad when i was younger, people we came across either in Spain or FLorida knew of Accrington - strangely ..... ask me dad hehehehe:D

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I sit in a town with a port refinery chemical plants etc and is part of what they call Falkirk Council. It was Falkirk District but they decided to shorten it. Grangemouth is not the big,the refinery and chemical plants come close to matching the residential areas in acreage. In a way I suppose its like Ossy Gt Harwood Rishton Church in the sense that it is dominated by the bigger town to the east and dosnt like it. The signage has big enough letters for the town but Grangemouth because its under Falkirk cannot use its own town crest over its name its always Falkirks.Unlike down there we dont have the chance to change it though we gladley would.

There will be pro n cons, arguments over price, disagreement over the new name yet it will happen one way or the other. In an ideal world each town would keep its own name and a small section saying "Administration area of whatever underneath that way individuality is kept but to keep the peace the admin area is also mentioned.



ACCRINGTON
ADMINISTERED BY HILLSIDE COUNCIL

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I was born in Langho which is in the Ribble Valley, its postal address is Blackburn.

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And living in Great Harwood my postal address is Blackburn too!!!! Whenever someone puts in my postcode in a computer it comes up Great Harwood, Blackburn


As for the name change...it's all pants...i say - i say it's all pants :mad:

Also I remember being on holiday few years back and mentioned that I lived in great harwood...response was "great Beanie shop there" and the person lived in South Wales :eek:

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[quote=garinda;433895]I think you've been misinformed, and if the borough's signs are changed as regularly as a tramp's underwear, as you suggest, that just shows how financially bankrupt our council is. But they aren't regularly changed for no reason. Fact.

I wasn't trying to suggest that the signs are replaced for no reason.If they weren't ever replaced then they would start to look a mess,scruffy,weather beaten etc so for this reason they are replaced at regular intervals and I am told that this is the reason they are changing the name now whilst the signs are due to be changed anyway so money isn't being spent twice.Makes sense to me.Perhaps you may have been misinformed.

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[quote=Lilly;434046]Well the four in Ossy look fine and dandy to me, and at five thousand pounds a piece to replace them, I can think of a hundred other ways the twenty thousand pounds to replace just those four, could be better spent in the town.

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All this so reminds me of British Airways. When a few years ago they spent many millions of pound rebranding their logo, from this,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/880000...1424_ba300.jpg
to this.
http://lloydyweb.com/vintage/britain...x/ba-tails.jpg
Then after much public outrage, spent even more money changing it all back.

The planes didn't fly any faster. The trolley dollies were no more beautiful, or efficent. No more people were inspired to invest in shares in the company. In fact it was all just the same service, just more expensive.

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The leader of the council and chairman of the area council, Coun Peter Britcliffe, said: "This is typical of the positive responses we've had to the idea.

"Polls running on various websites, and a vox pop carried out by the Lancashire Telegraph, have also been very much in favour of the change.''

Town Rides Crest Of Support (from Lancashire Telegraph)

Not much support so far on here, my old china.

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The Observer, I suspect.

'Do you want your town to have it's own shiny new crest, and it's own identity within the borough?'

Err....massive show of hands.

'Should the council spend an unspecified amount of money changing the name of the borough from Hyndburn to Accrington and Districts, even though each town already has it's own identity already, and really the only problem is that the leader of the council is tired of explaining where Hyndburn is, even though the rest of you have no need to use the name, as you all live in the towns in the borough?'

Err....no thanks.

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It's funny, as I drive around I see new things that will need to be changed - those little stick on signs on taxis. Not a huge expense admittedly but a cost nonetheless. What I'm really worried about is it just limping in - if you're doing it for the impact and publicity then it has to be a concerted effort.

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What's that Willow ? :confused: Will take a look tomorrow.

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...as well as all the other things that will need to be changed.

Wheelie bins x 30,000

Recycling bags x 90,000

The fleet of borough vehicles, and God knows how many thousands of trees will have to be felled to cover the stationary.

Then there's the translators fee, to translate Accrington and Districts Borough Council, into four Asian languages.

The list, and the costs, will be endless.

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Do the council's cleaners use expensive Free Trade polish, as well as coffee, which carries the borough's logo?






Oh Polish, as in Poland. Doh.:D

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Strange... I had done a search on Hyndburn to see the effect on changing the name...

I didn't do a search on the other which has surprising result... "Accrington and district" gets a lot of hits.. including garth dawsons page which i host and run for him.... i didnt realise i had that in it hehe :)

So loads of people already use the term.. i really hadn't realised.

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To test it out, and see how it felt, I typed in another thread, 'Accrington and District', instead of Hyndburn, when referring to this generic area.

Thirteen bloody more letters to type out!

This is dicrimination against the dexterously disabled.

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No they don't. The nodding donkey has almost worn off at least 2 of them. Then again they do look better without it.:D

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[QUOTE=garinda;434048]Just a further thought from my 'contact' Garinda:-

'As for the cost of a sign... That can vary a great deal. Gateway signs usually have to be designed, then consulted on (to make sure everybody likes them, or that suitable apathy is created that no-one bothers responding), produced, planned for and installed. The only thing I can say for sure is that this will cost more than £20,000. The engineering/installation costs alone could run into £££££.

If you are really that interested, you could take a stab at costing it yourself based on information contained within a publication called SPONS. SPONS publishes the rates of building materials and construction costs nationally (it might be available on the internet). You'd need to cost for:

2X aluminium poles
1X Mounting board with reflective microprismatic cover
Sunday working at 2X workmen (or UGGS as I like to call them)
Sawcut of carriageway
Removal of footway surface materials
Reinstatement of footway surface materials (200mm binder, 750mm sub course, 1500mm concrete, 75mm surface coarse-bitumnious tarmacadam and spray on tac-coat)

As you can probably deduce from the list of materials/work that is required for multiple signs this will surely cost more than £20,000 - but then I'm not sure what the £20,000 is for - maybe it's just for designing the sign.'

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .. iltch

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[quote=katex;435072] £5000 a sign just sounded a lot that's all.I would have thought that they would be done cheaper than that by whichever sign company makes them as there will be a lot being bought.Buying in bulk is usually done at a lesser cost. I'll not bother spending the evening trying to work out the exact cost myself though,I'm not that hard up for something to do.

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Did you see the Trevor McDonald programme tonight .. about council's waste of money, 4 cases and the public chose the best one :D Didn't quite catch all of it, but one was by Worcester City Council and the re-branding of their logo, image etc. They got some students to design in an hour against the professionals ... only took them an hour .. think the voting by the passing public was fairly even.

Must admit thought the professional one was the best myself, however, the design alone had cost £ 24,000 !

Can still offer your council the chance to be a candidate on this programme.:D:D

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That's all I've been trying to say Willow!:)

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Exactly Lilly, it is certain members of the council who have quoted a £ 20,000 figure for the 'package' deal .. we are just disputing this as an under-estimate, but, as Willow says, will we get the opportunity to view the breakdown costs ?

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Actually Britcliffe cleverly said in the press that the council had put aside £20,000 towards the new signs. He's never said that is going to be the final cost...because it won't be.

Nice bit of spin.

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This morning as I was driving up New Lane I noticed that Peter Britcliffe's house is up for sale.Has he resorted to selling his house to raise the necessary funds? Lol.:D

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Lol. Perhaps he's buying Gayle's house, so he can live in the ward he actually represnts.:D

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You right Garinda .. re-read this morning before I saw your post, and certainly spun me ...:mad:

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Nae too many people know were he lives so he is bailing out for his own safety that and a nice fat profit. :D

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Another type of signpost we have now recently acquired is the blue and white 'Hyndburn' Greenway signs, pointing you to a walk to another 'district'. Would be too small to put in 'Accrington and District Greenway', and can't shorten to Accrington as, say the ones on Henry Street in Church; Church folks would be annoyed. Well, they would have to get bigger signs or make the writing much smaller .. and practically impossible to see.

You also couldn't amend to 'Church' greenway either as directs you to Rishton, Blackburn, etc.well, you could, but the signs at the other end would have to say 'Rishton Greenway, etc' :confused: Hope you getting all this. LOL

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It made me laugh at how many times Hyndburn was referred to in this weekend's Observer. Hyndburn being used to describe the non-generic name for the towns that go to make up this area.

What are they going to say in the future?

The people of Accrington and Districts?

Sounds parochial, divisive, and just a little bit rubbish, if you ask me.

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The rumours that we're both selling up and setting up home together are completely false. :D

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Now that is a pity Gayle I thought you had got him to recant his foolish infatuation with the Tory Party and admit he has really been a Labour supporter all the time. :D

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Can obtain this through 'the Freedom of Information Act'.(like with Councillors/Politicians expenses :D) Even polls asking the general public their opinion cost money too. All types of smaller hidden costs, signposts at Scaitcliffe House, and not only the stationery, but badges for the council workers .. the list is endless.

They state 4 Gateway signs, usually most signs of this type are on both sides of the road, do we only have 1 one on the left ?.. will have to investigate.

What was done 33 years ago was done, and whether you agreed then or not, this is not what it is about, it is about spending our money NOW. As far as I am concerned 33 years ago they made the correct decision to integrate the community (usually fired by a cultural division who felt that the district lacked cohesion and needed integrating .. in other words to stop us all kicking each other's heads in ... :D:D) .. I think 'Accrington and District' is a back-step in time.

Cities and towns re-brand all the time to enlarge on what is already there i.e. Manchester rebranded three times in the last 7 years, with the 'City of Doves, Commonwealth Games and most recently the 'multi-lined 'M' motif .. this is all just good marketing on what is already there, and would not have much objection if this were the case,

Eeeew, really on a high horse with this one, I can tell ya' ... :mad:

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I'm with you on this Katex.

I'd happily sign any petition on this subject.

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I am with you as well Katex.

I have this sneaking suspicion that Peter Britcliffe thinks the name change is a 'fait accompli'. He has gone about it in the wrong way - making an announcement to the press rather than in a council meeting, is not the correct way to change any policy. Especially one so sensative as renaming the borough. I would like to ask our 'esteemed leader of the council' why he did not include the proposal in the Tory party leaflets before the local election in May. Or did he not want to loose votes by promising to spend an indeterminate amount of money on what is a stupid ill thought out whim.

I am surprised he does not want to call the borough after himself.

The name Hyndburn might not be perfect but it was chosen in 1974 so that none of the local authorities that merged was made to appear to be more important than any other. I am proud to be a resident of both Clayton-le-Moors and Hyndburn, but am not happy at the thought of living in ' Accrington and District'. It makes it sound as though Accrington is more important than the other areas of the borough.

Maybe the name of the borough should be ALTHAM and DISTRICT. As the original parish of Altham probably covered most of the are of the present day borough of Hyndburn.

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I'm right behind you.

Apart from the sheer waste of money on a silly whim, this says it all

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St. Petersburg and Districts Borough Council does have a certain panache, and I'm sure the logo on the wheelie bins would look simply fabulous.:D

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I am sure Peter could arrange it.

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Never ming the Faberge egg logo idea, I've just found the borough's new bin wagons!

I've put £20,000 aside towards the cost.:D

http://www.writedesignonline.com/his...aberge-Egg.gif

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Have to keep bumping this thread up somehow:-

Inane letter in Obsever replying to Keith Ellel's excellent letter disapproving of the proposed name change in last week's edition. An Ian R White of 'Langho' comments that he was disappointed to read Keith's content stating that some of us were fortunate to have received a secondary education at 'Accrington' Grammar school, including Keith (1949-56).

What has this got to do with a bunch of soldiers ?!!

Don't know where Keith lived then; lives Rishton now, but makes it sound like the people of Accrington provided an education for the lower 'Districts' and we should all be grateful ... :rolleyes:

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A very good post Katex, I read the letter and found it very condescending. Also I can't really see what the relevance of having been educated at Accrington Grammar schol has to do witht he name change. Surely it was called Accrington Grammar School because it was located in Accrington. If it had been located in Church (or any other of the old UDC's) it would have been called 'Church Grammar School' and still have provided its pupils with an excellent education. Although maybe Ian R White's education was a little lacking, if he thinks it was the town, where the school was located, rather than the school which gave him a secondary education. All the Grammar Schools (and the secondary modern schools) were run by Lancashire Education Commitee, so maybe he would be better saying it was Lancashire that gave him an excellent education.

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Moorhead, the replacement for Accrington Grammar School and Accrington Girl's High School, is still in Accrington, and will remain so, whatever they call the borough. That point is totally barmy.

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sorry claytonender that WAS not the case, i went to the school across from the old palladium on union road oswaldtwistle yet that was called Accrington Secondary Technical School. not church tech right or wrong, thats what it was.

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Sorry Cashman, it was late when I posted to the thread and I completely forget about the 'Tech'.

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Question on tonight's University Challenge-


What town in the borough of Hyndburn, houses an impressive Tiffany glass collection in the Haworth Ary Gallery?


They didn't know.:eek::D

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More proof of declining educational standards under Tony Blair Nu-Labour ;)

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...still I don't think it's worth spending a penny of our money on changing the name of the borough, just so some southern numpties may have got the question right.

I still don't think they'd have known if Jerermy Paxman said the answer strated with an A, ended with ton, and had a ring in the middle!:D

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One of the 'experts' said Preston.:D

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ahhh but if we were called accrington and district we would have never been a question on University Challenge :rolleyes:

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Like that .. yes, very good HR x