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Ianto.W. 15-06-2007 13:02

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I did not mean to criticize the raising of the subject Margaret, it's as you say a thorny one and should be aired, some of the contributors seem to have a rather apologetic attitude towards these perverts, in my opinion there is no excuse for taking advantage of younger impressionable children, whatever age the perpetrators are. These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.

panther 15-06-2007 13:09

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 435384)
These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.

ere, ere Ianto;)
chop off the lot is what i say!

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 13:25

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 435384)
I did not mean to criticize the raising of the subject Margaret, it's as you say a thorny one and should be aired, some of the contributors seem to have a rather apologetic attitude towards these perverts, in my opinion there is no excuse for taking advantage of younger impressionable children, whatever age the perpetrators are. These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.

Oh I didn't see it as implied criticism.......I saw it as your own view, aired in your own way....and some of the posts which you see as 'apologetic' are also the posters own views....and though we all may have differing views, I feel that the airing of them is healthy.

I haven't really aired my view. I think that paedophilia is reprehensible, and that the perpetrators are mentally sick.....as for treatment, I think that once a person has been convicted/diagnosed (however you want to put it) then all means of curbing their sexual appetites are up for discussion.....and the best available treatment must be used, and if that is
surgical castration, then so be it.
Like Lettie, I think that volunteering for chemical castration is fraught with difficulties and should perhaps only be used for the short term i.e - perhaps whilst awaiting surgical castration.
As for 'chopping the lot off'....the penis has no influence over sexual urges...more the other way round.
There you have it. I hope it doesn't sound too apologetic or too radical either......I have tried to be balanced but also to take into consideration the terrible damage this crime does to its victims.

Mick 15-06-2007 13:30

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As for 'chopping the lot off'....the penis has no influence over sexual urges...more the other way round.

what you going to "CHOP off a women"? they abuse children too

panther 15-06-2007 13:32

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true mick, you have a point there!

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 13:42

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yes, Mick women too are capable of sexual abuse of children.......that is particularly abhorrent.

Alvin the chipmunk 15-06-2007 13:58

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Nice bit of spin this. An expert on the radio yesterday said that they have been trying this technique for a while now, with varying results, so it's nothing new. All just a bit of positive spin before the new Home Secretary takes over.

blazey 15-06-2007 16:44

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 435384)
I did not mean to criticize the raising of the subject Margaret, it's as you say a thorny one and should be aired, some of the contributors seem to have a rather apologetic attitude towards these perverts, in my opinion there is no excuse for taking advantage of younger impressionable children, whatever age the perpetrators are. These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.

You are obviously referring to me as 'the sympathetic one' but you can happily say my name and I wont be offended. I guess in my generation your taught to look at every possible aspect rather than be one sided.
The reason I havent mentioned the victims of abuse is because even though some may never get over the problem they have been through, there are facilities there for them that helps with their side of the issue, but as margeret said there isnt a simple method of fixing the issue of sex offenders, not just child offenders. A psychiatrist can merely diagnose someone who has such an abnormal and unacceptable mental defect but at least they can help the victims not only come to terms with the situation but they can do their best to heal them. Therefore I think its fair to say discussion on finding mutual agreements throughout society of a method of punishment or, how can i put it, 'fixing' sex offenders is of more importance as its lack of mutual agreement on the problem that result in there still being no way of 'fixing' them.

I get taught to have opinions like this, just because it makes me a minority on here doesnt mean to say i'm being irrational by not wanting to commit murder. I was taught that was wrong just as commiting a sex offence is wrong.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 16:52

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Blazey......as I said there are many shades of opinion on this contentious topic. The other thing that needs to be said, is that those who are sexually abused are very likely to go on and become abusers themselves, whether this is because they are influenced to see this as the 'norm', I'm not altogether sure. Maybe someone on the forum has some more info on this phenomenon, and will share it with us.

blazey 15-06-2007 16:57

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435441)
Blazey......as I said there are many shades of opinion on this contentious topic. The other thing that needs to be said, is that those who are sexually abused are very likely to go on and become abusers themselves, whether this is because they are influenced to see this as the 'norm', I'm not altogether sure. Maybe someone on the forum has some more info on this phenomenon, and will share it with us.

I thought that was mainly with violence rather than sexual offences...
I cant say i've come across that many paedophile cases studying law so far.

I came across one which maybe made me look at both sides a bit.

Theres a case of a paedophile who attacked a child and admitted he knew what he did was wrong and he was crying but he said he couldnt stop himself.
I guess it must be hard to know something is wrong but having no way of stopping yourself doing it. I remember thinking of it sounding a bit like a heroin addiction.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 16:57

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Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk (Post 435403)
Nice bit of spin this. An expert on the radio yesterday said that they have been trying this technique for a while now, with varying results, so it's nothing new. All just a bit of positive spin before the new Home Secretary takes over.

While it may just be spin - it is certainly an up to the minute topic, and I am not aware that it has been up for discussion in the past.
And Yes, of course there have been drugs where it is recognised that the side effects are a diminution of libido, I am not aware of any government department previously saying that they would use these side effects as a positive benefit to reduce desire in paedophiles.....maybe I have missed something. I'm sure if I have there will be someone ready to correct me :)

blazey 15-06-2007 17:00

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435443)
While it may just be spin - it is certainly an up to the minute topic, and I am not aware that it has been up for discussion in the past.
And Yes, of course there have been drugs where it is recognised that the side effects are a diminution of libido, I am not aware of any government department previously saying that they would use these side effects as a positive benefit to reduce desire in paedophiles.....maybe I have missed something. I'm sure if I have there will be someone ready to correct me :)

I dont think castration in any form can ultimately stop a persons sexual desire for child if thats their preference. If its a mental element wont they also have desires just to be around children? its not really going to reduce risk of them staying away from children completely.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 17:06

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Castration of any type means that sexual desire of all kinds is removed.....and it is to do with hormones.....or rather lack of them once castration has been effected...this applies to both chemical and surgical castration.
The men who looked after Harems in the east were routinely castrated so that they felt no sexual desire of any type......however in that type of castration the testicles were removed, so it was permanent.

blazey 15-06-2007 17:17

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435446)
Castration of any type means that sexual desire of all kinds is removed.....and it is to do with hormones.....or rather lack of them once castration has been effected...this applies to both chemical and surgical castration.
The men who looked after Harems in the east were routinely castrated so that they felt no sexual desire of any type......however in that type of castration the testicles were removed, so it was permanent.

SEXUAL desire, not desire of companionship. You can have a kiss without feeling sexual desire. Sexual desire isnt quite all what can make a paedophile.
A paedophile might enjoy just looking at the form of a childs body, its still wrong if he kidnaps a child and takes pictures of him or her naked, kisses her goodbye and dumps her on the street.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 17:23

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Blazey, here is where we have to disagree.....castration will remove all those desires.....Impotence means having no desire for any sexual contact....you don't want to look at naked anything...and because the desire for sexual contact is gone then children will not have the same magnetic draw.
It is taking the person back to pre-pubescence.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 17:24

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The desire for companionship is not harmful...the desire for sexual contact with children is.

blazey 15-06-2007 17:31

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435453)
Blazey, here is where we have to disagree.....castration will remove all those desires.....Impotence means having no desire for any sexual contact....you don't want to look at naked anything...and because the desire for sexual contact is gone then children will not have the same magnetic draw.
It is taking the person back to pre-pubescence.

I have to disagree but seen as theres no rock solid evidence of what this medication does I guess it doesnt really matter.

I think theres a little bit more to paedophilia than sexual desire. If your saying you cant kiss someone without sexual desire then yeh, paedophiles wont touch anyone at all. Unfortunatly I recall kissing my mother when I was past puberty and dont remember any sexual attraction.
I am getting the feeling im going to hear the freudian theory next that teenage boys are sexually attracted when they kiss their mums so i think its time for me to leave this thread.

Children wont ever be safe from paedophiles so what difference does it make.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 17:41

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well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that the drugs mentioned have these side effects noted...as researched by the drug companies themselves. These drugs mentioned are not marketed to diminish sexual desire......this diminution is a recognised and often unwanted side effect.
You say that you recall kissing your mother when you were past puberty and felt no sexual attraction.......what this says to me is that you didn't understand some of the information in my post......pre-pubescence (as far as I'm aware) means before puberty.
So what I was saying was, that these people will revert to the type of behaviour they had before any sexual feelings were awakened by the reproductive hormones....that is what castration does. Refer to a medical text book and it will confirm what I am telling you.

blazey 15-06-2007 17:48

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435463)
well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that the drugs mentioned have these side effects noted...as researched by the drug companies themselves. These drugs mentioned are not marketed to diminish sexual desire......this diminution is a recognised and often unwanted side effect.
You say that you recall kissing your mother when you were past puberty and felt no sexual attraction.......what this says to me is that you didn't understand some of the information in my post......pre-pubescence (as far as I'm aware) means before puberty.
So what I was saying was, that these people will revert to the type of behaviour they had before any sexual feelings were awakened by the reproductive hormones....that is what castration does. Refer to a medical text book and it will confirm what I am telling you.

Yes exactly and when my hormones where delightfully awakened I still didnt feel sexual desire whilst kissing my mother. I am quite aware what I said. Meaning you can reach puberty and still kiss feeling no sexual desire.
If you can LACK sexuality kissing someone once you've hit puberty I'm pretty sure you can still kiss a child you dont know without sexual desire and it still be seen as paedophilia. I dont know how to make that anymore clear.

If a man simply kidnaps a child, after this castration, and decides to bathe the child and obviously its genitals, what do you think people will think if the child found and he says what happened to him or her. Oh yeh, a paedophile, yet how if he's on those drugs, oh yeh, because you dont have to have sexual desire to wash a strange child yet the actions are indeed still sickening enough to label them a paedophile.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 18:36

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you are making my point for me.......I need add nothing further.
And NO you haven't got MYpoint...a castrated man will not bother to kidnap a child...or kiss a child (other than perhaps maybe his own, and then in a fatherly way)....as I have tried to point out Castration removes all of these desires.....but as I can see I'm getting nowhere I will give up and admit defeat.

Royboy39 15-06-2007 18:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435484)
you are making my point for me.......I need add nothing further.
And NO you haven't got MYpoint...a castrated man will not bother to kidnap a child...or kiss a child (other than perhaps maybe his own, and then in a fatherly way)....as I have tried to point out Castration removes all of these desires.....but as I can see I'm getting nowhere I will give up and admit defeat.

Dont be upset by this angry young lady Margeret.
Good candidate for president of the students union.

blazey 15-06-2007 18:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435484)
you are making my point for me.......I need add nothing further.
And NO you haven't got MYpoint...a castrated man will not bother to kidnap a child...or kiss a child (other than perhaps maybe his own, and then in a fatherly way)....as I have tried to point out Castration removes all of these desires.....but as I can see I'm getting nowhere I will give up and admit defeat.

You dont need to have sexual desire to kidnap a child either. You can have other reasons to kidnap children not just to rape them or kill them. You might want to steal a child and try to bring it up as its own but you'd still be a child molester if you stole a child and bathed it.

If someone stole my brother to bring up as their own and they bathed him I would be quite aware that they had sexually assaulted my brother as it be against parental consent for the child. You'd be disgusted and call them a paedophile, they wouldnt be merely a child snatcher.

blazey 15-06-2007 18:46

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 435488)
Dont be upset by this angry young lady Margeret.
Good candidate for president of the students union.

I have very good reason to be in a bad mood but Im sorry if I'm letting it get to me. The thread isnt making me angry I'm just annoyed about something else. My poor boyfriends getting all the shouting at ;)

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 20:53

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I'm not angry at all...just a little bit amazed that after all that has been said, I seem to be going round in circles and getting nowhere...when that happens you know it is no use in putting any further points forward as the initial ones don't seem to have got across too well. Maybe someone else can make it clearer for this young lady.

Margaret Pilkington 15-06-2007 21:00

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435489)
You dont need to have sexual desire to kidnap a child either. You can have other reasons to kidnap children not just to rape them or kill them. You might want to steal a child and try to bring it up as its own but you'd still be a child molester if you stole a child and bathed it.

If someone stole my brother to bring up as their own and they bathed him I would be quite aware that they had sexually assaulted my brother as it be against parental consent for the child. You'd be disgusted and call them a paedophile, they wouldnt be merely a child snatcher.

No I wouldn't call them a paedophile unless they had used your brother to gratify their own sexual urges.
Anyone who kidnaps a child is a kidnapper...not a paedophile....and bathing a child is not the action of a paedophile...otherwise parents all over the world would be indicted for this crime....foster carers bath children with no malign intent......somewhere along the way the plot of this thread has got lost or confused.
so here I am after I said i was going to give up....maybe that is a triumph of hope over reality. :)

Less 15-06-2007 23:35

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435438)
You are obviously referring to me as 'the sympathetic one' but you can happily say my name and I wont be offended. I guess in my generation your taught to look at every possible aspect rather than be one sided.
The reason I havent mentioned the victims of abuse is because even though some may never get over the problem they have been through, there are facilities there for them that helps with their side of the issue, but as margeret said there isnt a simple method of fixing the issue of sex offenders, not just child offenders. A psychiatrist can merely diagnose someone who has such an abnormal and unacceptable mental defect but at least they can help the victims not only come to terms with the situation but they can do their best to heal them. Therefore I think its fair to say discussion on finding mutual agreements throughout society of a method of punishment or, how can i put it, 'fixing' sex offenders is of more importance as its lack of mutual agreement on the problem that result in there still being no way of 'fixing' them.

I get taught to have opinions like this, just because it makes me a minority on here doesnt mean to say i'm being irrational by not wanting to commit murder. I was taught that was wrong just as commiting a sex offence is wrong.

Don't you talk some sh4t?

Don't protect the perves, protect or at least help the victims!
The perpetrators protect themselves by frightening the children, they, (the children), often end up thinking there is no-one out there to help them, well unlike you I will help the victim rather than the sick sod that causes the problem in the first place.

Protect him/them, (theses sicko's), as much as you want, both yourself and your father have made it clear with karma comments that you don't like me to tell the truth, well what do you want? I can put my point of view to you and you can shoot it down in flames, if you can prove that these perv's are doing the children some good all very well. Otherwise don't protect them, they deserve all that can be thrown at them for robbing a child of it's innocence!

If you can't live with that, I don't think you will ever develope into a decent human being!

steeljack 16-06-2007 00:46

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I notice that amongst all this psycho twaddle about curing and healing these perverts no one has mentioned that these folks are just plain sodding evil , to my mind there is no cure for evil .
Probably one day in the not to far distant future they will find the genes which cause sexual perversity and then we can screen prospective parents and say yea or nay about their rights to produce , and while were at it lets just make sure that all babies with the good genes have blond hair and blue eyes ........ haven't we heard this somewhere before :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 16-06-2007 08:24

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 435589)
I notice that amongst all this psycho twaddle about curing and healing these perverts no one has mentioned that these folks are just plain sodding evil , to my mind there is no cure for evil .

Hit the nail right on the head, SJ. Sod the psychobabble, just surgically castrate them, end of story!

blazey 16-06-2007 12:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435581)
Don't you talk some sh4t?

Don't protect the perves, protect or at least help the victims!
The perpetrators protect themselves by frightening the children, they, (the children), often end up thinking there is no-one out there to help them, well unlike you I will help the victim rather than the sick sod that causes the problem in the first place.

Protect him/them, (theses sicko's), as much as you want, both yourself and your father have made it clear with karma comments that you don't like me to tell the truth, well what do you want? I can put my point of view to you and you can shoot it down in flames, if you can prove that these perv's are doing the children some good all very well. Otherwise don't protect them, they deserve all that can be thrown at them for robbing a child of it's innocence!

If you can't live with that, I don't think you will ever develope into a decent human being!

Please dont refer to someone as my father. A more suitable term is sperm donor.

There are many things that dont do children very good either, such as watching their parents argue or witnessing a bad crime. Its almost impossible to protect a child from all evil.

Seen as I'm aiming towards a job that needs detachment then it doesnt bother me in the slightest why you cant understand why im saying i wouldnt kill a paedophile. I got taught to kill NOBODY, whatever their crime.

Royboy39 16-06-2007 12:54

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[quote=blazey;435641]Please dont refer to someone as my father. A more suitable term is sperm donor.

I wondered what the hang up was.

Looking at your sig: I would have thought that common sense is something that can be used without predjudice by those who use it with care, regardless of age.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 13:00

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 435604)
Hit the nail right on the head, SJ. Sod the psychobabble, just surgically castrate them, end of story!

I think that was my conclusion too....in post 103.

blazey 16-06-2007 13:00

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[quote=Royboy39;435643]
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435641)
Please dont refer to someone as my father. A more suitable term is sperm donor.

I wondered what the hang up was.

Looking at your sig: I would have thought that common sense is something that can be used without predjudice by those who use it with care, regardless of age.

Its a quote from a famous scientist. I believe its meant to be sarcasm :rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 13:02

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Blazey, if you want to discuss the topic of destructive adult relationships...and the effect they have on children...then I would respectfully suggest that you start a thread about it. It has no place in this discussion.

blazey 16-06-2007 13:10

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435646)
Blazey, if you want to discuss the topic of destructive adult relationships...and the effect they have on children...then I would respectfully suggest that you start a thread about it. It has no place in this discussion.

I didnt say I did, I said dont refer to someone as something that they arent.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 13:28

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But then you went on to comment on destructive adult relationships and their effects on children......which is nothing to do with the substance of the thread.

piltymon 16-06-2007 13:31

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435581)
Don't you talk some sh4t?

Don't protect the perves, protect or at least help the victims!
The perpetrators protect themselves by frightening the children, they, (the children), often end up thinking there is no-one out there to help them, well unlike you I will help the victim rather than the sick sod that causes the problem in the first place.

Protect him/them, (theses sicko's), as much as you want, both yourself and your father have made it clear with karma comments that you don't like me to tell the truth, well what do you want? I can put my point of view to you and you can shoot it down in flames, if you can prove that these perv's are doing the children some good all very well. Otherwise don't protect them, they deserve all that can be thrown at them for robbing a child of it's innocence!

If you can't live with that, I don't think you will ever develope into a decent human being!

You sent the bad karma first. Answer this seing as you are so smart... If a man is charged with inappropriate manner and another is charged with abduction, assault and buggary of a minor do you give them both the same sentence? Do you castrate them both or kill them both. There are levels of sentencing in guidlines that have been carefully thought out. That way we stop the gallows mentality of uneducated noose swingers.

Ianto.W. 16-06-2007 13:31

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 435397)
As for 'chopping the lot off'....the penis has no influence over sexual urges...more the other way round.

what you going to "CHOP off a women"? they abuse children too

Now there's a question nobody so far has picked up on, is it possible to 'castrate' or remove sexual desires from a woman, other than marrying them:rolleyes:.;)

blazey 16-06-2007 13:52

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We might aswell all paint swastikas on our foreheads in accy, all this talk of genetic engineering and murdering who we dont like fits perfectly.

blazey 16-06-2007 13:54

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435651)
But then you went on to comment on destructive adult relationships and their effects on children......which is nothing to do with the substance of the thread.

Because everyones going on about paedophiles recking childrens live and taking away there innocence.
Paedophiles are of a very small fraction and dont destroy childrens live as much as other situations.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:03

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435660)
Because everyones going on about paedophiles recking childrens live and taking away there innocence.
Paedophiles are of a very small fraction and dont destroy childrens live as much as other situations.

But this thread isn't primarily about what wrecks the lives of children....it is about views on Chemical Castration for convicted paedophiles.......so it is not relevant to bring other arguments in about what wrecks the lives of children. If you want to discuss those things then start another thread.

piltymon 16-06-2007 14:07

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435660)
Because everyones going on about paedophiles recking childrens live and taking away there innocence.
Paedophiles are of a very small fraction and dont destroy childrens live as much as other situations.

What other situations? I agree with Margaret wholeheartedly here >> just because you believe something doesn't make it fact. I also agree that you should start a new thread if all you want to do is bash me for not being there when I would have been if it hadn't been for your mother. What did you expect from me? Should I have sat in Accrington for 18 years just in case your mum changed her mind?

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:09

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435659)
We might aswell all paint swastikas on our foreheads in accy, all this talk of genetic engineering and murdering who we dont like fits perfectly.

It isn't about being perfect either........it is about dealing with a section of society who are seen to have perverted desires......liking or not liking has nothing to do with it. Most right minded people abhor what paedophiles stand for, and want to protect their children....in fact all children, from these people.....is that so wrong?
How we protect children from these people is what the discussion is around. You may not like some of the opinions given, but that does not make those opinions any less valid.
You have a lot to learn about life.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:15

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And Blazey, I am sorry to disagree with you, but my work allowed me to meet with people whose lives had been thoroughly destroyed by inappropriate sexual contact with adults. These people may get some psychotherapy, but that doesn't return their innocence and their self esteem, and the overwhelming feeling that they were somehow to blame for what happened.
Their lives are ruined....they have problems making meaningful adult relationships and trying to rebuild trust is a major issue for them.
These are my own observations....anecdotal they may be, but their effects cannot be denied.

blazey 16-06-2007 14:21

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435664)
And Blazey, I am sorry to disagree with you, but my work allowed me to meet with people whose lives had been thoroughly destroyed by inappropriate sexual contact with adults. These people may get some psychotherapy, but that doesn't return their innocence and their self esteem, and the overwhelming feeling that they were somehow to blame for what happened.
Their lives are ruined....they have problems making meaningful adult relationships and trying to rebuild trust is a major issue for them.
These are my own observations....anecdotal they may be, but their effects cannot be denied.

Getting rid of paedophiles doesnt fix all childrens self esteem. There lives can be recked by serious bullying or problems at home. You cant avoid it.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:48

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Nowhere have I said that getting rid of paedophiles would return self esteem to children...and I have no doubt that the situations which you outline have damaging consequences too...but as I have said a number of times, that is not the issue being discussed in this thread.

Please do me the honour of not attibuting to me things that I have not said or implied.

blazey 16-06-2007 14:52

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435683)
Nowhere have I said that getting rid of paedophiles would return self esteem to children...and I have no doubt that the situations which you outline have damaging consequences too...but as I have said a number of times, that is not the issue being discussed in this thread.

Please do me the honour of not attibuting to me things that I have not said or implied.

I discussed the issue in the thread, the thread consists of rational ideas of solving the problem and committing murder. I think its pretty pointless overall.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:57

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
So Blazey, when you can't win a round with your brain, you seek to insult....how very mature of you.
Now when you leave be sure to close the door quietly won't you.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 14:58

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
and I do hope you are aware that there is a policy against bad language.

Royboy39 16-06-2007 14:59

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435687)
I discussed the issue in the thread, the thread consists of rational ideas of solving the problem and committing murder. I think its pretty pointless overall.

Please do me the honour of not being a sarcastic old bag and kiss my ass. I dont want to be a part of this stupid brown nosing group, I came here because I thought it was worthwhile and it turned out to be a load of absolute bollocks. People in accy are stupid and irrational. It makes me feel ashamed to be part of such a society.

What a sad young lady.

blazey 16-06-2007 15:00

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435690)
So Blazey, when you can't win a round with your brain, you seek to insult....how very mature of you.
Now when you leave be sure to close the door quietly won't you.

Oh i could talk all day on the topic of paedophiles but the point is that Im not going to stoop low and ignore my educationb and my religion and say i'd be stupid enough to stoop to a paedophiles level and commit murder.

Mick 16-06-2007 15:01

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
If this thread turns into a slanging match it will be closed so please get back on topic and please watch the bad language it is a family site and there are children on here.

blazey 16-06-2007 15:02

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 435692)
What a sad young lady.

Its sad that there are so many people in accy willing to commit murder. Thats what is sad. And for what is worth there are enough members on accy web for statistically one to be a paedophile. One lived next door to me and was caught for it but I dont remember feeling any anger on the scale of wanting to commit murder.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 15:03

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435693)
Oh i could talk all day on the topic of paedophiles but the point is that Im not going to stoop low and ignore my educationb and my religion and say i'd be stupid enough to stoop to a paedophiles level and commit murder.

None of this makes any sense at all.

blazey 16-06-2007 15:03

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 435695)
If this thread turns into a slanging match it will be closed so please get back on topic and please watch the bad language it is a family site and there are children on here.

I wouldnt have thought a topic discussing children being raped by adults and their parents killing them wouldnt be a suitable topic anyway for a family forum.

blazey 16-06-2007 15:04

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435697)
None of this makes any sense at all.

THE POINT IS:

I WONT STOOP AS LOW AS A PAEDOPHILE AND BECOME A DANGEROUS CRIMINAL

I WONT IGNORE MY EDUCATION AND DO SOMETHING OF SUCH SORTS
I WONT IGNORE MY RELIGION AND KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING

IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU.

piltymon 16-06-2007 15:04

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435687)
I discussed the issue in the thread, the thread consists of rational ideas of solving the problem and committing murder. I think its pretty pointless overall.

Please do me the honour of not being a sarcastic old bag and kiss my ass. I dont want to be a part of this stupid brown nosing group, I came here because I thought it was worthwhile and it turned out to be a load of absolute bollocks. People in accy are stupid and irrational. It makes me feel ashamed to be part of such a society.

Margaret has show you nothing but patience and coutesy on this thread and treating her this way is very unfair.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 15:04

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
on the subject of chemical castration can i ask a question? If you knew a known paedophile who had received this treatment, would you feel it is now ok to let them be near your children?

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 15:07

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I'm sorry Blazey, I was under the impression you had had enough of the people on Accyweb and that you were leaving.
Murder......I don't recall talking about murdering anyone.
The thread is about Chemical castration for paedophiles.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 15:09

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As for what is suitable for a family forum......that is the job of the moderators to decide.

piltymon 16-06-2007 15:50

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I think that we should realise that with all crimes there are different levels of intent(mens rea), different levels of criminal behaviour and often there are mitigating circumstances(reasons for the offence). The law is not as black and white as people tend to think, far from it. You cannot say that a father who swats his son on the butt to get him to move a little faster should be punished the same way that we would punish an abductor that molests and murders a strangers child. Chemical castration may remove all sexual urges and indeed be a good idea as long as we are sensible. Paedophillia abhors me like it does a large amount of society. You don't let murderers off scot free but you also don't jail innocent people. Enough innocent people have been sent to jail to show that the legal system is imperfect. There will never be a clear cut answer to this topic and, people opinions will always differ. May I respectfully suggest that we leave it to the experts to decide? After all that's why they are called experts!

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 15:56

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I cannot think of any mitigating circumstances for what paedophiles inflict on children.
No-one suggests that a father who swats his childs butt to make him get a move on will be considered a paedophile....although it is a recognised fact that some paedophilc actions arise from family members.
An Expert is a drip under pressure...or that is what I was always lead to believe.

garinda 16-06-2007 15:59

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435693)
educationb

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God help us all.:D



Resorting to personal abuse, especially to someone as fair minded as Margaret Pilkington, has just lost your argument even the minutest bit of credibility.:mad:

piltymon 16-06-2007 16:00

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435725)
I cannot think of any mitigating circumstances for what paedophiles inflict on children.
No-one suggests that a father who swats his childs butt to make him get a move on will be considered a paedophile....although it is a recognised fact that some paedophilc actions arise from family members.
An Expert is a drip under pressure...or that is what I was always lead to believe.

The point that I am trying to get accross is that there are different circumstances in EVERY case. I would happily sentence a paedophile that had been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt of say rape to death but, there are differences in each case. Where do you draw the line is my question?

Don't get me wrong I have no time or patience for paedophiles either.

garinda 16-06-2007 16:01

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I should imagine the start of the healing process of anyone abused as a child, would be that people believed them, and that justice was seen to be done.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 16:05

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
It is not for me to draw the line...it is for the judiciary. Yes, every case is individual and should be treated as such......but a paedophile is a paedophile and as far as I can see he could argue until the sea ran dry but I would doubt any mitigating circumstances...even the citing of child abuse in his own back ground could not excuse his actions....there was one paedophile who tried to tell the courts that the children 'enjoyed it'.

steeljack 16-06-2007 16:09

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435722)
May I respectfully suggest that we leave it to the experts to decide? After all that's why they are called experts!

I suppose you would include the likes of Lord Longford in this list of experts , considering his expertise in the rehabilitaion of Myra Hindley. If ever anyone deserved to be swinging from the end of a rope that bitch did .

considering all this twaddle about what is and what isnt paedopillia its just a fancy name for sicko sexual perversion against kids. I'm like the American Supreme Court Judge who when asked to define pornography answered ,
" I can't , but I know it when I see it ".

:mad: :mad:

piltymon 16-06-2007 16:35

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
People seem to think that all children are innocent. What about a 15 year old that lies to a guy who then gets branded a paedophile? Do we geld him?

Tombraider 16-06-2007 16:38

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I dont think anyones answered my question yet about chemical castration. Would those all for it allow the paedophiles to go near their children once they have received this treatment?

piltymon 16-06-2007 16:43

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435750)
I dont think anyones answered my question yet about chemical castration. Would those all for it allow the paedophiles to go near their children once they have received this treatment?

I'd have to see medical proof beyond a doubt that any and all sexual urge had been removed. If however they were like the unocks of old then I would think it was safe. Still not sure they'd be left unsupervised though. Many factors such as the childs age, gender and the offenders history would have to be considered. There are no easy answers to difficult questions.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 16:45

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
So if its still not ganrenteed to free our children of these perverts the treatment is quite pointlless.

piltymon 16-06-2007 16:47

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435752)
So if its still not ganrenteed to free our children of these perverts the treatment is quite pointlless.

I didn't say it wasn't guaranteed, I said that I would have to weigh the evidence VERY carefully.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 16:52

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I will have to read up, its not something I know anything about. I just find it very hard to believe in a wonder drug that removes all perverted thoughts. would it stop paedophiles from taking children to pruduced child photographic peadophilia to satisfy other mens needs etc.

piltymon 16-06-2007 16:58

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435758)
I will have to read up, its not something I know anything about. I just find it very hard to believe in a wonder drug that removes all perverted thoughts. would it stop paedophiles from taking children to pruduced child photographic peadophilia to satisfy other mens needs etc.

WHy do you need to read up? Do you know any paedophiles or thinking of letting one near your children? I would have tought it better to castigate and cast out convicted paedophiles!

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:01

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No I dont know any peadophiles or at lest i dont think so, what a silly question. Isnt this post about chemical castration? Thats why im discussing it :rolleyes:

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:03

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435763)
No I dont know any peadophiles or at lest i dont think so, what a silly question. Isnt this post about chemical castration? Thats why im discussing it :rolleyes:

Why is it a silly question? Why are you so interested in chemical castration? Maybe your posts could be construed as a little perverse!

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:05

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maybe the same could be said about the thread starter :confused: why are you so angry about it, does this effect you?

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:09

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435765)
maybe the same could be said about the thread starter :confused: why are you so angry about it, does this effect you?

What makes you think that I am angry? Maybe I should be after you said that I'd asked a silly question but, I can exercise detachment from a subject. You however don't seem to be able to. It Affects me from a legal standpoint as I used to study law. It doesn't Effect me because I don't associate with paedophiles. Why does it affect you?

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:10

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
It affects me for one reason only and that is because i came across a thread about it on accy web ;) Maybe i should talk about the weather instead :rolleyes:

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:12

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435768)
It affects me for one reason only and that is because i came across a thread about it on accy web ;) Maybe i should talk about the weather instead :rolleyes:

Maybe you're more qualified in that area.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:13

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Perhaps so. At least i could discuss it in a adult manner :D

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:13

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435765)
maybe the same could be said about the thread starter :confused: why are you so angry about it, does this effect you?

Well.....I started this thread and I can assure you that I
have no perverse tendencies.
As far as your question......I had actually answered this when the tread was moved to the 'Over 18's ' section...however the answer didn't appear.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:15

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435771)
Well.....I started this thread and I can assure you that I
have no perverse tendencies.
As far as your question......I had actually answered this when the tread was moved to the 'Over 18's ' section...however the answer didn't appear.

I neither have perverse tendencies. Maybe it excites some people to think that we have :confused:

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:15

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 435737)
I suppose you would include the likes of Lord Longford in this list of experts , considering his expertise in the rehabilitaion of Myra Hindley. If ever anyone deserved to be swinging from the end of a rope that bitch did .

considering all this twaddle about what is and what isnt paedopillia its just a fancy name for sicko sexual perversion against kids. I'm like the American Supreme Court Judge who when asked to define pornography answered ,
" I can't , but I know it when I see it ".

:mad: :mad:

Shucks, let's just shoot all the judges because one made a mistake, hang the perverts and lethal inject me so I don't have to listen to stupid comments!

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:17

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435772)
I neither have perverse tendencies. Maybe it excites some people to think that we have :confused:

Why do you think that the lead charachter in tomb raider is large breasted?

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:18

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435774)
Why do you think that the lead charachter in tomb raider is large breasted?

#

I dont know. maybe she used them to keep afloat in the water, or maybe she swats away the tigers with them :p

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:19

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Anyway, in answer to your question (I didn't say I was a proponent of Chemical Castration by the way).......I would have to be sure that the drugs that were presecribed had been taken...and the government proposes Compulsory lie detector tests on the paedophiles who volunteer for this treatment...once that was ascertained, then according to scientific evidence any child should be safe.

blazey 16-06-2007 17:20

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435774)
Why do you think that the lead charachter in tomb raider is large breasted?

Because some women have large breasts and some women have smaller ones? Tombraider also used lara croft as a child in the game, is that to accomodate the paedophiles?

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:20

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
why is your first thought of lara croft of a sexual nature? Lara is a great adventurer in my eyes.

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:22

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435775)
#

I dont know. maybe she used them to keep afloat in the water, or maybe she swats away the tigers with them :p

To attract male kids that are under the age of legal consent. That's why it got the rating that it did. Let's castrate the makers of the game huh? Just to be sure that we get all the pervs.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:22

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Tombraider...it doesn't give me any feelings at all.

piltymon 16-06-2007 17:23

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Maybe we should leave the righting of all wrongs to steeljack and tombraider? If there's anyone left when they've finished let me know.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:23

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
There are some of you on here who are taking this thread, which had a serious intent, to silly levels.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:24

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
and a lot of the posts are completely off thread.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:24

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435781)
Tombraider...it doesn't give me any feelings at all.

Sorry Margaret, the comment about people getting excited over the thought of some people having perverse tendancies wasnt aimed to mean you and i apologise if you took it that way.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:27

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 435783)
There are some of you on here who are taking this thread, which had a serious intent, to silly levels.

I agree here. I think some people are stuck for serious debatable questions and answers so are trying to divert the thread topic to other levels.

Margaret Pilkington 16-06-2007 17:29

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Well actually I did take it that way, as it was mentioned in the same sentence.
I started what was a serious topic, looking for sensible and mature input to find that I am insulted and dealt with in a less than courteous manner when you don't even know me.
What I have posted has been the result of informed reading and experience.
I hope that we can get back on topic or I will contact the Moderator myself and get the thread locked.

Tombraider 16-06-2007 17:32

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
I was hoping for a serious debate too but got accused of being a paedophile for joining in. That was my only problem, not with you margaret but with the person who made that comment towards me.

blazey 16-06-2007 17:38

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Well I think I was insulted many times in this thread just for showing some concern over peoples needs to kill paedophiles and called sympathetic.

If some of you went back to school in this era I think alot of you would be shocked at what your taught.

garinda 16-06-2007 17:40

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435798)
I think alot of you would be shocked at what your taught.

I think they were taught that 'your' should be you're.;)

garinda 16-06-2007 17:42

Re: Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 
...and anyway, I think what people have actually experienced throughout life, is a hell of a lot more relevant to this topic, than what is taught from a book in a classroom.


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