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I did not mean to criticize the raising of the subject Margaret, it's as you say a thorny one and should be aired, some of the contributors seem to have a rather apologetic attitude towards these perverts, in my opinion there is no excuse for taking advantage of younger impressionable children, whatever age the perpetrators are. These people are sick and need dealing with, if chemical castration works then so be it, if they persist in this sick behaviour then 'prune' them completely.
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I haven't really aired my view. I think that paedophilia is reprehensible, and that the perpetrators are mentally sick.....as for treatment, I think that once a person has been convicted/diagnosed (however you want to put it) then all means of curbing their sexual appetites are up for discussion.....and the best available treatment must be used, and if that is surgical castration, then so be it. Like Lettie, I think that volunteering for chemical castration is fraught with difficulties and should perhaps only be used for the short term i.e - perhaps whilst awaiting surgical castration. As for 'chopping the lot off'....the penis has no influence over sexual urges...more the other way round. There you have it. I hope it doesn't sound too apologetic or too radical either......I have tried to be balanced but also to take into consideration the terrible damage this crime does to its victims. |
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As for 'chopping the lot off'....the penis has no influence over sexual urges...more the other way round.
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true mick, you have a point there!
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yes, Mick women too are capable of sexual abuse of children.......that is particularly abhorrent.
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Nice bit of spin this. An expert on the radio yesterday said that they have been trying this technique for a while now, with varying results, so it's nothing new. All just a bit of positive spin before the new Home Secretary takes over.
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The reason I havent mentioned the victims of abuse is because even though some may never get over the problem they have been through, there are facilities there for them that helps with their side of the issue, but as margeret said there isnt a simple method of fixing the issue of sex offenders, not just child offenders. A psychiatrist can merely diagnose someone who has such an abnormal and unacceptable mental defect but at least they can help the victims not only come to terms with the situation but they can do their best to heal them. Therefore I think its fair to say discussion on finding mutual agreements throughout society of a method of punishment or, how can i put it, 'fixing' sex offenders is of more importance as its lack of mutual agreement on the problem that result in there still being no way of 'fixing' them. I get taught to have opinions like this, just because it makes me a minority on here doesnt mean to say i'm being irrational by not wanting to commit murder. I was taught that was wrong just as commiting a sex offence is wrong. |
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Blazey......as I said there are many shades of opinion on this contentious topic. The other thing that needs to be said, is that those who are sexually abused are very likely to go on and become abusers themselves, whether this is because they are influenced to see this as the 'norm', I'm not altogether sure. Maybe someone on the forum has some more info on this phenomenon, and will share it with us.
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I cant say i've come across that many paedophile cases studying law so far. I came across one which maybe made me look at both sides a bit. Theres a case of a paedophile who attacked a child and admitted he knew what he did was wrong and he was crying but he said he couldnt stop himself. I guess it must be hard to know something is wrong but having no way of stopping yourself doing it. I remember thinking of it sounding a bit like a heroin addiction. |
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And Yes, of course there have been drugs where it is recognised that the side effects are a diminution of libido, I am not aware of any government department previously saying that they would use these side effects as a positive benefit to reduce desire in paedophiles.....maybe I have missed something. I'm sure if I have there will be someone ready to correct me :) |
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Castration of any type means that sexual desire of all kinds is removed.....and it is to do with hormones.....or rather lack of them once castration has been effected...this applies to both chemical and surgical castration.
The men who looked after Harems in the east were routinely castrated so that they felt no sexual desire of any type......however in that type of castration the testicles were removed, so it was permanent. |
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A paedophile might enjoy just looking at the form of a childs body, its still wrong if he kidnaps a child and takes pictures of him or her naked, kisses her goodbye and dumps her on the street. |
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Blazey, here is where we have to disagree.....castration will remove all those desires.....Impotence means having no desire for any sexual contact....you don't want to look at naked anything...and because the desire for sexual contact is gone then children will not have the same magnetic draw.
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The desire for companionship is not harmful...the desire for sexual contact with children is.
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I think theres a little bit more to paedophilia than sexual desire. If your saying you cant kiss someone without sexual desire then yeh, paedophiles wont touch anyone at all. Unfortunatly I recall kissing my mother when I was past puberty and dont remember any sexual attraction. I am getting the feeling im going to hear the freudian theory next that teenage boys are sexually attracted when they kiss their mums so i think its time for me to leave this thread. Children wont ever be safe from paedophiles so what difference does it make. |
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well of course you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that the drugs mentioned have these side effects noted...as researched by the drug companies themselves. These drugs mentioned are not marketed to diminish sexual desire......this diminution is a recognised and often unwanted side effect.
You say that you recall kissing your mother when you were past puberty and felt no sexual attraction.......what this says to me is that you didn't understand some of the information in my post......pre-pubescence (as far as I'm aware) means before puberty. So what I was saying was, that these people will revert to the type of behaviour they had before any sexual feelings were awakened by the reproductive hormones....that is what castration does. Refer to a medical text book and it will confirm what I am telling you. |
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If you can LACK sexuality kissing someone once you've hit puberty I'm pretty sure you can still kiss a child you dont know without sexual desire and it still be seen as paedophilia. I dont know how to make that anymore clear. If a man simply kidnaps a child, after this castration, and decides to bathe the child and obviously its genitals, what do you think people will think if the child found and he says what happened to him or her. Oh yeh, a paedophile, yet how if he's on those drugs, oh yeh, because you dont have to have sexual desire to wash a strange child yet the actions are indeed still sickening enough to label them a paedophile. |
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you are making my point for me.......I need add nothing further.
And NO you haven't got MYpoint...a castrated man will not bother to kidnap a child...or kiss a child (other than perhaps maybe his own, and then in a fatherly way)....as I have tried to point out Castration removes all of these desires.....but as I can see I'm getting nowhere I will give up and admit defeat. |
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If someone stole my brother to bring up as their own and they bathed him I would be quite aware that they had sexually assaulted my brother as it be against parental consent for the child. You'd be disgusted and call them a paedophile, they wouldnt be merely a child snatcher. |
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I'm not angry at all...just a little bit amazed that after all that has been said, I seem to be going round in circles and getting nowhere...when that happens you know it is no use in putting any further points forward as the initial ones don't seem to have got across too well. Maybe someone else can make it clearer for this young lady.
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Anyone who kidnaps a child is a kidnapper...not a paedophile....and bathing a child is not the action of a paedophile...otherwise parents all over the world would be indicted for this crime....foster carers bath children with no malign intent......somewhere along the way the plot of this thread has got lost or confused. so here I am after I said i was going to give up....maybe that is a triumph of hope over reality. :) |
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Don't protect the perves, protect or at least help the victims! The perpetrators protect themselves by frightening the children, they, (the children), often end up thinking there is no-one out there to help them, well unlike you I will help the victim rather than the sick sod that causes the problem in the first place. Protect him/them, (theses sicko's), as much as you want, both yourself and your father have made it clear with karma comments that you don't like me to tell the truth, well what do you want? I can put my point of view to you and you can shoot it down in flames, if you can prove that these perv's are doing the children some good all very well. Otherwise don't protect them, they deserve all that can be thrown at them for robbing a child of it's innocence! If you can't live with that, I don't think you will ever develope into a decent human being! |
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I notice that amongst all this psycho twaddle about curing and healing these perverts no one has mentioned that these folks are just plain sodding evil , to my mind there is no cure for evil .
Probably one day in the not to far distant future they will find the genes which cause sexual perversity and then we can screen prospective parents and say yea or nay about their rights to produce , and while were at it lets just make sure that all babies with the good genes have blond hair and blue eyes ........ haven't we heard this somewhere before :rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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There are many things that dont do children very good either, such as watching their parents argue or witnessing a bad crime. Its almost impossible to protect a child from all evil. Seen as I'm aiming towards a job that needs detachment then it doesnt bother me in the slightest why you cant understand why im saying i wouldnt kill a paedophile. I got taught to kill NOBODY, whatever their crime. |
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[quote=blazey;435641]Please dont refer to someone as my father. A more suitable term is sperm donor.
I wondered what the hang up was. Looking at your sig: I would have thought that common sense is something that can be used without predjudice by those who use it with care, regardless of age. |
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Blazey, if you want to discuss the topic of destructive adult relationships...and the effect they have on children...then I would respectfully suggest that you start a thread about it. It has no place in this discussion.
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But then you went on to comment on destructive adult relationships and their effects on children......which is nothing to do with the substance of the thread.
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We might aswell all paint swastikas on our foreheads in accy, all this talk of genetic engineering and murdering who we dont like fits perfectly.
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Paedophiles are of a very small fraction and dont destroy childrens live as much as other situations. |
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How we protect children from these people is what the discussion is around. You may not like some of the opinions given, but that does not make those opinions any less valid. You have a lot to learn about life. |
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And Blazey, I am sorry to disagree with you, but my work allowed me to meet with people whose lives had been thoroughly destroyed by inappropriate sexual contact with adults. These people may get some psychotherapy, but that doesn't return their innocence and their self esteem, and the overwhelming feeling that they were somehow to blame for what happened.
Their lives are ruined....they have problems making meaningful adult relationships and trying to rebuild trust is a major issue for them. These are my own observations....anecdotal they may be, but their effects cannot be denied. |
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Nowhere have I said that getting rid of paedophiles would return self esteem to children...and I have no doubt that the situations which you outline have damaging consequences too...but as I have said a number of times, that is not the issue being discussed in this thread.
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So Blazey, when you can't win a round with your brain, you seek to insult....how very mature of you.
Now when you leave be sure to close the door quietly won't you. |
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and I do hope you are aware that there is a policy against bad language.
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If this thread turns into a slanging match it will be closed so please get back on topic and please watch the bad language it is a family site and there are children on here.
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I WONT STOOP AS LOW AS A PAEDOPHILE AND BECOME A DANGEROUS CRIMINAL I WONT IGNORE MY EDUCATION AND DO SOMETHING OF SUCH SORTS I WONT IGNORE MY RELIGION AND KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU. |
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on the subject of chemical castration can i ask a question? If you knew a known paedophile who had received this treatment, would you feel it is now ok to let them be near your children?
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I'm sorry Blazey, I was under the impression you had had enough of the people on Accyweb and that you were leaving.
Murder......I don't recall talking about murdering anyone. The thread is about Chemical castration for paedophiles. |
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As for what is suitable for a family forum......that is the job of the moderators to decide.
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I think that we should realise that with all crimes there are different levels of intent(mens rea), different levels of criminal behaviour and often there are mitigating circumstances(reasons for the offence). The law is not as black and white as people tend to think, far from it. You cannot say that a father who swats his son on the butt to get him to move a little faster should be punished the same way that we would punish an abductor that molests and murders a strangers child. Chemical castration may remove all sexual urges and indeed be a good idea as long as we are sensible. Paedophillia abhors me like it does a large amount of society. You don't let murderers off scot free but you also don't jail innocent people. Enough innocent people have been sent to jail to show that the legal system is imperfect. There will never be a clear cut answer to this topic and, people opinions will always differ. May I respectfully suggest that we leave it to the experts to decide? After all that's why they are called experts!
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I cannot think of any mitigating circumstances for what paedophiles inflict on children.
No-one suggests that a father who swats his childs butt to make him get a move on will be considered a paedophile....although it is a recognised fact that some paedophilc actions arise from family members. An Expert is a drip under pressure...or that is what I was always lead to believe. |
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God help us all.:D Resorting to personal abuse, especially to someone as fair minded as Margaret Pilkington, has just lost your argument even the minutest bit of credibility.:mad: |
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Don't get me wrong I have no time or patience for paedophiles either. |
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I should imagine the start of the healing process of anyone abused as a child, would be that people believed them, and that justice was seen to be done.
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It is not for me to draw the line...it is for the judiciary. Yes, every case is individual and should be treated as such......but a paedophile is a paedophile and as far as I can see he could argue until the sea ran dry but I would doubt any mitigating circumstances...even the citing of child abuse in his own back ground could not excuse his actions....there was one paedophile who tried to tell the courts that the children 'enjoyed it'.
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considering all this twaddle about what is and what isnt paedopillia its just a fancy name for sicko sexual perversion against kids. I'm like the American Supreme Court Judge who when asked to define pornography answered , " I can't , but I know it when I see it ". :mad: :mad: |
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People seem to think that all children are innocent. What about a 15 year old that lies to a guy who then gets branded a paedophile? Do we geld him?
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I dont think anyones answered my question yet about chemical castration. Would those all for it allow the paedophiles to go near their children once they have received this treatment?
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So if its still not ganrenteed to free our children of these perverts the treatment is quite pointlless.
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I will have to read up, its not something I know anything about. I just find it very hard to believe in a wonder drug that removes all perverted thoughts. would it stop paedophiles from taking children to pruduced child photographic peadophilia to satisfy other mens needs etc.
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No I dont know any peadophiles or at lest i dont think so, what a silly question. Isnt this post about chemical castration? Thats why im discussing it :rolleyes:
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maybe the same could be said about the thread starter :confused: why are you so angry about it, does this effect you?
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It affects me for one reason only and that is because i came across a thread about it on accy web ;) Maybe i should talk about the weather instead :rolleyes:
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Perhaps so. At least i could discuss it in a adult manner :D
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I dont know. maybe she used them to keep afloat in the water, or maybe she swats away the tigers with them :p |
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Anyway, in answer to your question (I didn't say I was a proponent of Chemical Castration by the way).......I would have to be sure that the drugs that were presecribed had been taken...and the government proposes Compulsory lie detector tests on the paedophiles who volunteer for this treatment...once that was ascertained, then according to scientific evidence any child should be safe.
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why is your first thought of lara croft of a sexual nature? Lara is a great adventurer in my eyes.
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Tombraider...it doesn't give me any feelings at all.
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Maybe we should leave the righting of all wrongs to steeljack and tombraider? If there's anyone left when they've finished let me know.
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There are some of you on here who are taking this thread, which had a serious intent, to silly levels.
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and a lot of the posts are completely off thread.
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Well actually I did take it that way, as it was mentioned in the same sentence.
I started what was a serious topic, looking for sensible and mature input to find that I am insulted and dealt with in a less than courteous manner when you don't even know me. What I have posted has been the result of informed reading and experience. I hope that we can get back on topic or I will contact the Moderator myself and get the thread locked. |
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I was hoping for a serious debate too but got accused of being a paedophile for joining in. That was my only problem, not with you margaret but with the person who made that comment towards me.
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Well I think I was insulted many times in this thread just for showing some concern over peoples needs to kill paedophiles and called sympathetic.
If some of you went back to school in this era I think alot of you would be shocked at what your taught. |
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...and anyway, I think what people have actually experienced throughout life, is a hell of a lot more relevant to this topic, than what is taught from a book in a classroom.
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