Paedophiles and Chemical castration.
 

There was an item on the news today that the government is considering some different ways of dealing with Paedophiles....chemical castration being one of them. How do you feel about this?

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sounds good can they give them something to make there hands drop off aswell

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Peadophiles will be required to volunteer for this form of treatment, so it won't be forced on all convicted paedophiles...only those who want to change their behaviour.

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If it weren't such a serious subject, that would be funny davo ... well, still is. :D

Only heard a little Margaret this morning, didn't catch the castration bit, just the drugs on offer to reduce their sexual drive, only voluntary though, but good idea, as must be an illness of some sort, musn't it ?

Re. the drug, wonder if an improved type of bromide they gave to our soldiers in their tea whilst away at war ? Wonder if it ever worked ? Sorry if digressing (sortof).

Would be interesting to know though if any old soldiers,, who may be on Accyweb, ever took it, and their experiences.

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They didn't give the soldiers bromide

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Didn't they piltymon ? Always understood this was the case, was it a myth then ? what did they give 'em :D

Sorry Margaret, just realised you quoted 'chemical' castration, your clever metaphoric way of describing drugs for stemming the urges.

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It's an urban legend just like they say they give prisoners bromide to keep them quiet. If they gave them bromide then why were there so many war babies? Maybe it was just a bad batch of bromide LoL
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My dad used to say the only way that bromide would have worked would have been if they had loaded it into an artillery shell and fired at the soldiers privates (that is private parts).

Apparently there are some of the anti-depressants that have the side effect of reducing the libido. (funny, I don't remember taking any)
I'm not sure I would trust the paedophiles to take oral medication....even if they volunteered to go on the program...but then they are also talking of making paedophiles take compulsory lie detector tests.

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Perhaps, but maybe some of 'em spit it out .. typical fellas. ! Perhaps they withdrew the tea drinking before they came home on leave, which would only be fair.

Anyway, not all paedophiles will volunteer for this drug, and they are the ones that will have to be watched, however, if at least 25% agree then a little less danger to our children from these sick people in the future.

We all think of men in these cases, but some women involved at times, does it work on them I wonder ? Do you know the name of the drug Margaret?

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Chemical castration.....that is what it is called Katex......I didn't coin the phrase.....only reported it as heard :)........I'm glad you think I'm clever,metaphorically speaking.

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There are a number of drugs which are supposed to have impotence as side effects......not sure about ones for women though.

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I think the fact that its voluntary is where it falls down, do paedophiles care about their urges? Some travel to countries so they can be with a child. Maybe the chemical castration should be punishment, think we're too soft in this country.

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Your dad is very close to the truth. Dosage is king in this discussion. Some soldiers would drink more than others. If the authorities were to give bromide to soldiers wouldn't they be more accurate with their delivery method? If we consider this carefully we have to come to the conclusion that it's a load of.........

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Maybe surgical castration would be a surer way to ensure that they could never follow their urges ever again......but you'd need B*lls to bring in the legislation it requires to do that.

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The paedophiles would scream about their Human Rights, well what about the rights of the children. Maybe if this was brought in more people with these urges would seek help, also think that the sex offenders register should be made available for all to view.

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So what do we do? Please think carefully!

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Castrate them!:)

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seems to me this is just a way of excusing child molesting by saying its a medical condition ........"its not my fault, I have a medical condition , give me a pill and I wont do it again " total rubish .... if they are locked away they dont need any medications , and if they are medicated and out on the streets where is the punishment ?

:eek: :eek:

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There is some talk that the names of people who are working alone with children will be available for parents to check if they have any convictionc for sexual offences, however, I don't think this will be workable....for a variety of reasons......the police freely admit they do not have the manpower to conduct investigations and this was proved with the Ian Huntley case.
Humberside police knew he had been accused of sexual offences against a minor, but failed to convey this to the police force where Huntley later went to work as a school caretaker.

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In America the sex offender register is open to everyone and it doesn't do a damn thing. I think that if we are going to discuss the subject though we should realise that with every crime there are differing degrees. I would personally shoot a man that rapes a child but where do you draw the line? And what lines should we as the people draw? It's easy to say castrate them all but do we ever think about individual cases? There is a difference between kissing you daughter on the forehead and french kissing her. Would anybody care to define the limits. I know what is right and wrong and obviously the paedophiles don't. Shouldn't we prevent before we prosecute?

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No-one (to my knowledge) is talking about de-criminalising sexual offences.
What they ARE talking about is delivering a medical treatment which will remove sexual urges from these men.....but only to those who volunteer for the treatment....and I can't see that being many.

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And there is no talk of the paedophiles who opt for treatment being let out of jail earlier because they have opted for treatment......well, not at this stage anyway.

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Piltymon have you any thoughts on how to prevent before prosecuting.

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I think that you missed my point. I'd rather see them more criminalized. What they do is heinous but, there are different levels of each offence. I think we're passed take em out and flog them are we not?

I personally would make the injections of the inhibitor compulsory but, who do you inject?

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The point I was making was in response to the post by steeljack....
and in answer to your question 'who do we inject'.....i suppose the logical answer would have to be anyone who is found guilty of such an offence.
At least chemical castration is not final......and if proved wrong, libido would return once the medication was stopped......now surgical castration would be the end for the offender.

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Regarding the register, I think it would give me peace of mind, I'd certainly like to know if a convicted paedophile lived close enough to be watching my kids but I also understand that there are people out there who haven't been convicted so really you never know.
I dont think anyone kissing their daughter on the forehead would ever be called a paedophile I think the limits are common sense and are anything of a sexual nature. I agree with Steeljack paedophiles should be properley charged and locked up. I'm not convinced that paedophiles would volunteer for chemical castration.

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if they are caught the shud have there thing chopped off dirty paedophiles

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I'm not trying to be facicious here but, what offence? Molestation? Rape? Buggery?

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But chopping off their 'thing' as you put it would not abate their sexual desires, and they could still sexually abuse a child by other means......chemical castration means that their sexual desires are diminshed or wiped out.....that is a huge difference.

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I think they are all sexual offences and all should carry the same sentance.

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Whatever offence was perpetrated against a child......and it is illegal to have sex, or sexually abuse a minor.....and it doesn't matter how that is done.
do you think that any of the examples you have provided should be exempt from this?

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What sentance?

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If a man touches a childs breast by accident do you punish him the same way if he rapes a child? I'm not stating an opinion here I'm asking for yours

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if it is by accident and not be design then no.....no more than if he touched a womans breast by accident would you accuse him of rape.
But grooming children for sex and other acts that are for the sexual gratification of the adult should be punished. You note I didn't specify male, because there have been women who have been convicted of sexual offences against minors too.

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There a difference between touching/brushing past a childs breast and having a grope and whether you grope, rape or whatever to a child its wrong and against the law and the sentance should be long enough to be a deterrant.

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this is a link to our local site showing where the pervs live and what they were convicted Search California Registered Sex Offenders- California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

to my knowledge no vigilanty justice has happened

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WHo do you inject or dose though? That is my question. Maybe we should go Adolf and just kill who we don't like huh?

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No just inject all sex offenders, compared to what they'll have put their victims through its not that bad a punishment, why do we even consider their rights.

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at the moment it isn't left up to the judiciary to decide....the treatment will be given only to those who wish to curb their paedophilic tendencies...so we do not need to labour too long over that question.

And I would never suggest that we bumped off the people that we didn't like.

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Why not just find a tree and hang them? If they are convicted.

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Had a look on this website and something similar in the uk would be a good thing in my opinion.

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And what would YOU do if you knew where they lived?

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Thats not a bad idea Piltymon:rolleyes:

I think we are too soft in this country, the punishment should fit the crime and the human rights of offenders shouldn't be taken into consideration.

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Make sure that my children didn't play anywhere near them.

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Hey, I have an idea! If we find out that there is a paedophile living nearby let's just lock up our children!

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Hey Grego. I take it that isn't a photo of you. Aren't you abusing that childs rights? Glass houses and stones come to mind.

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What child is that Piltymon? My avatar is a photo of Andy Pipkin as we are very similar, as for locking up my children why should we have to do that, next you'll be saying that the children are asking for it.

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WHy not use your own photo then? That photo is offensive. If you don't know why then start a thread about it. Enlightenment is good for the soul!

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I dont know why my avatar would be offensive to anyone, maybe you can enlighten me?

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The person in the photo is obviously handicapped and the word Huh with a questionmark is saying that she doesn't understand what is going on. Much like I think that you don't so maybe I'm wrong. Keep the photo, it suits you!

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Thanks, by the way its a bloke.

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So what's his similarity to you?

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agree entirely grego, i think it would be much cheaper to EXECUTE the perverted gits though.

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There was me thinking you were intelligent! What a let down. Where would you draw the line?

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you know what thought did? the line in my book- anyone who interferes with a kid,simple as.:cool:

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So what sentance would YOU pass?

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I think voluntary chemical castration is a good idea. I've seen a few cases of men (in internet articles) who hate living with these abnormal tendencies and have actually tried to get a doctor to castrate them completely, which although I dont believe is a huge practice here, u can get it done in some places abroad.

One think that I find ironic is that once in my law lesson we studied a case about a mental woman having a relationship with another man in the hospital and they thought it best to have her sterilized so she didnt have to go through the strain of having a child. It was deemed a 'necessity' yet isnt it a same necessity to rid our society of paedophiles?

If anyone wants to check up on the case you'll find it in many criminal law books under necessity, the case is Re F 1990.
Havent come across any 'necessary' castration of paedophiles yet though. Thats human rights for you.

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already said in my first post - top em, simple as that. many kids are phsycologically damaged for life with these people, thats where my sympathy lies, not with these perverts, if that dont sit well with you. TOUGH.

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as I said above, there are paedophiles who recognise they have a problem and do try to seek help such as chemical and physical castration.

The main problem with this simple solution is that with the world with people wanting to punish paedophiles, the men who KNOW their feelings are wrong before they have commited a serious sickening crime dont actually feel able to get help and so they are left having to try battle with their impulses.

Not all paedophiles are cruel weirdos, normal respectable men can feel dangerous sexual impulses towards children and women but its a very serious thing to admit to someone, and the impulses are left with no aid to control them unfortunatly.
I can understand its hard to understand but then i dont understand the urge to want to kill someone regardless of their crime either. Thats not what civilised human intelligence should amount to.

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if one of your family was damaged by one, perhaps you may understand.

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Don't you think that the law makers do their best? Here's your showcase. What would YOU do?

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no i dont, and a lot of the folk i talk with dont either, infact the lunatics have taken over the asylum, sentencing for most things is a joke, its blatantly obvious what to do, unless you happen to be a doogooder.

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What would YOU do to them if you caught them?

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Like most other people I'd be quite happy to keep them locked away for ever, whilst there is the slightest chance they could harm another child.

Sadly this isn't the case. They are released, and if we are going to free them, then they should be forced to have treatment.

I've said before, in similar threads, it's been proven in countries that practice castration, many prisoners have gone off to reoffend. This is primarily a sickness of their minds and not their genitals.

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exactly and this is what chemical castration is , instead of going back to the days of lobotomies now we have 'advanced' to the 'more humane' method of using psychotopic drugs and herein lies the problem , a lobotomy was a permanent 'fix' the use of drugs is tempoary :D:D

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Well, I've just spent time reading through five pages of basic carp! Most of it produced by piltymon, I fortunately am not an expert on how pedophiles act or how they should be treated, but I do know basic right from wrong, how anyone in their right mind could possibly attempt to take these sick peoples side is beyond me, 'erm have you just finished a college course on Social Services? If so you will fit in well with the rest of the 'always think the best of someone until they kill you brigade'.

It's time we stopped pussy footing and gave the perv's the message:-


P.S. In most other things I could be classed as a liberal. :mad:

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I was joking though I think you may have had a sense of humour bypass:)

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I've already said that I would like to see a sentance to fit the crime, unless my children were involved I would not take matters into my own hands, why do you think they should get away with it?

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I dont think killing them would make our society better. What if it gave people a wrongful taste for murder and people started to decide who is 'most likely' to be a paedophile.
You get horrible scenarios were in some neighbourhoods children are encouraged to believe the little old man in the creepy looking house is a paedo and their parents often dont stop them from plaguing the man with anti-social behavior and physical abuse. In some cases these men are found dead due to the stress of having to go through all that, suicide and in some cases even killed by the neighbourhood yobs themselves.
Other ordinary people can also be victims at the hands of people who hate paedophiles like this. If we have drugs to treat them then I believe it might as well be forced on them but I also think that would be difficult to do as there are probably more that have never been caught (due to obviously hiding because theyre afraid of what people will do to them) and they arent like to step forward (same reasons as above)

Many of them wont want to live with being attracted to children, just like you have men that can live for years with a woman trying to not admit their gay. If we lived in a society were things werent solved with people saying 'kill them all' maybe they'd step forward and can be helped in the appropriate away.

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Where did I say that I would kill them?

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it wasnt aimed specifically at u I just quoted u instead of the Less person who was complaining about pussy footing around people.


One thing that I would find interesting is this.

At one point having children outside of marriage was deemed insane
Abortions where criminal
Homosexuals where unacceptable and (possibly, unsure on this) deemed crazy to some extent.
Divorce wasnt heard of.
Rape within marriage was legal.

There are plenty of people who hated the people who did these things but within time the view changed.
Perhaps the view on paedophiles may change and their sexual abnormality will be researched better and accepted as a disorder/illness, not as a norm of course, but it will be less taboo to step forward and get help.

I think paedophiles are an obvious problem in society but I dont think society as a whole help solve the problem by making them afraid to step forward before they actually hurt someone.

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If you meant me then why didn't you quote me instead of Grego that was being stupid.

These animals are not like the other people you mentioned they are attacking young children destroying their childhood sometimes murdering and for their own selfish gratification, they have no sympathy for their victims they just use them. Therefore they should get no sympathy from the rest of society. I would rather have one dead pervert than a string of messed up or missing children any day of the week.
:behead: Hanging is too good for them unless it is by the balls.

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Yes paedophiles just use children to release their sexual pressures. Dont people do that to other people in general. The fact that it is children is sickening but its sickening because we choose that to be sickening. Like I said, at one point raping your wife was fine, where as now all rapists are sickening. We are the ones who decide what is right and wrong, and if at one point society thought rape was fine within marriage, then maybe society might decide one day its fine for fathers to have sex with their children for example? Things change and unpredictable changes occur. This was just an example.

I clicked the wrong quote icon, it doesnt make me stupid at all, if anything that just made you look like you lack decent manners.

Paedophiles you might deem as animals, but killing another human is very animal-like as well, for a civilised race.
Killing isnt a punishment, it free's people of their guilty consciouses, it doesnt force them to look at their behaviour and be disgusted by it. Just gives them the easy way out.

I always think that people who are unable or unwilling to look at the other possibilities in controversial subjects like this lack proper rational thinking and i think its a good job we have good laws and policies rather than just killing whoever we decide arent acceptable in society. We aren't nazi's afterall are we?

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I think the answer to that question is no, normal people don't do that in general. I don't think you will find many people that thought raping ones wife is or was fine. Don't be silly not even the sickest of societies would ever condone a father having sex with his children.

It does make you look stupid, if you can't read through what you write and quote before you post then you lack foresight at the very least.

You are quite right these perverts are not animals, it was insulting to animals for me to compare them to these monsters.
Killing is a very permanent punishment and I wouldn't have any guilty feelings about their death, give me the handle and I will gladly act as the nations hangman for these beasts.

I always think that people willing to sympathies with child molesters are suspect themselves, there is only one sure cure for these sicko's and it isn't to be found in hospitals.

Sorry I took so long before answering you , I have been busy polishing my Jack-boots and practicing my fascist salute.

Perhaps one day you will have children of your own and then will be less tolerant of these 'people'.
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I dont think your funny, I think your very childish. Inability to think of civilised solutions before resorting to animalistic actions is very sad indeed. We're in the 21st century not the stone age.

I study law so I guess I have to think on both sides otherwise I wouldnt be very good at defending them. I also have absolutely no problem with doing that either before you start going on about that.

Having no children dosnt take away a womans natural mothering instinct either, but it is to protect a child, once a child has fallen into danger the mothers duty isnt to go and kill the thing that harmed her, its to nurture and comfort her.
Humans developed themselves to fight, they werent born with razor sharp teeth for killing enemies. Murder by a humans hand is a man made trait of imitating animals lower in the food chain, to find our food more efficiently. Seen as we dont need to fight for food anymore in this country I dont see the need to kill people of the same race.

I dont care if you think i'm stupid for clicking the wrong link, I admitted I was wrong and made a mistake, its not a big deal.

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And if you want something to discuss, paedophiles make up a very low number in britains prisons but there is a significant rise in children sexually assaulted and raping others recently. by children I am referring to high school under 16's...

Do we kill those too?

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Well at least no-one can say this thread is boring.

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You will never stop the dirty scum paedos, there are to many in high places.

Big crack down will drive them more under ground apparantly, like they arnt anyhow.

They should build a detention centre for just paedos, where life is hell, and they arnt treated much better than the rats what also live there, this is then a deterrant.

Branding also comes to mind. or some sort of tatoo. again a deterrant.

Obviously there are different levels of crime/paedos, Im after the hardcore, dangeress ones first get rid of them with STRONG punishment, not the pittance they get at the moment. in some cases I would approve the death sentence.

As for the Chemical castration, NOT GOOD ENOUGH for me as there will probably be a way round it by taking a different drug or in 5-10 years time they can all sue the goverment for millions due to side effects.

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I wonder if the rise in the statistics is because more are doing it or detection methods are improving! Just a thought.

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I was actually rushing and made a typo though, it was meant to say a rise in childing sexually assaulting others children. Do we just kill those paedophiles aswell.

Paedophiles make up around 3% of those in prison, prison are mainly filled with people who have commited crimes such as theft, robbery, fraud etc.

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Yes, and your point is????? I think prisons should have 0% Paedophiles, string them up outside London Tower let them rot as an example to others that might be tempted! LEAVE INNOCENT CHILDREN ALONE!:mad:

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The point is adult paedophiles arent rising but the number of children who sexually abuse others is rising.

Do we kill those children aswell because they aren't 'innocent'

I have a really interesting article which also asks why we limit a childs sexual exploration and have even criminalised it but there are words and a picture that are part of the article that arent suitable for here and it takes intelligent open minded people to read it and actually take something from it.

Anyway why kill people when we have a medical solution? They arent going to be killed now with that available. That is unless the NHS fails society. Might as well kill the government whilst we're at it. You could be in charge if it makes you feel better. Put 21st century british history on the map as being medically capable of 'curing' paedofilic urges but resorting to acting like neanderthals (sp).

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Typical idiot, moving the goal posts, whats up? do you feel this is a discussion you can't win? Take a look at the title of this thread, we aren't discussing children and children, we are talking about adults that should have no excuse and should know better, please grow up.

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That's a stupid idea!

The ravens might peck and eat them, then die, and if the ravens ever leave the Tower of London we're all doomed, doomed I tell you.

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A child is criminally liable from the age of ten, therefore is capable of sexually assaulting another child, the same as an adult can assault another adult or can assault a child.

I asked u a simple question about an issue within society which should concern u if u dont like the people who commit sexual offences.

Children ARE capable of making judgements over the age of 10, they arent stupid. The only reason we believe they arent capable is that our society suppresses them from making such judgements.

Children can have very dangerous criminal minds when they wish to act upon them, look at mary bell or thomson and venebles, are they not guilty just because theyre children?

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if you want to discuss that,start another thread about it, typical lawyer mentality.:rolleyes:

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Why? Why not let them run with it?

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you cant read either?

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Seems to me like Blazey made a good argument. I wouldn't argue with her but, then again, I'm smart!

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Im all for the branding with a big P on their foreheads. Being a parent I know if one of my children got attacked the only time i would get a decents nights sleep would be when the offender is dead and buried.

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I am very mistrusting of statistics......they can be portrayed to mean anything and are too easy to manipulate. Especially by governemnt departments who want the electorate to think they are doing well.....when actually they aren't.

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Its easy to manipulate statistics but I would expect the government wouldnt say 3% of criminals in prison are paedophiles. They would more likely put forward that, for example only, 98% paedophiles are in prison, only 2% remain in society etc.

More children are seen to be sexually abusing others for a good reason and youa re indeed right, its not because of manipulation as such but change in whats acceptable for a child to do in sexual experimentation. Its a shame I dont have someone to verify my age because I have a good example of this change of acceptance but the article has some terms and a picture that some people wont like their children to see so it'd be more suited in the 18+ section.

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Blazey, I wasn't disputing the 3%......just statistics in general.
I think it was Cashman who said that there are too many paedophiles in high places for paedophilia to be wiped out......and I think he might be right on that one......maybe judges covering up for one another.....look at the policeman who was involved with the Soham murders...and it turned out he had some connection with paedophilia too.
You talk about post-modernist society....what do you think are the answers to this problem. I am not putting you on the spot here, but I would like to hear what the perspective of a younger person is....to what is a crime that ruins young lives.

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I was giving you an example of how the government would manipulate that statistic even further for their own benefit.

Post modernist society isnt a problem as its main factors are based on consumerism and materialism anyway not crime.

I think obviously paedophilia is a problem but over time solutions arise to crimes like this. Chemical castration is a good new medical way of helping cut down paedophilia, it should be forced on people if sterilization can be forced on mental patients, otherwise its giving more human rights to the paedophiles than people suffering from other mental problems.

I believe paedophilia will be eventually recognised completely by scientists as a mental defect, its treated as one in some areas of the law already, so forced medication shouldnt be a problem.

I think the prison system is the biggest problem and it is in need of funding to provide bigger prisons, more space and better organisation. For the time being there should be a 'clearing out' of petty criminals, they can be moved to secure accomodation and tagged, and those who need to be behind bars until a law is made for chemical castration of those at least willing should be given a chance.
I can imagine many paedophiles behind bars would jump at the chance to be normal and out of prison, so I should think the number of child attackers would be reasonably decreased after a short period. The only risk is that if it doesnt work as well as they intend and they make a mistake.

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Paedophilia is a difficult one. It is a recognised mental illness and has been for donkey's years. Places like Brockhall and Calderstones used to be full of paedophiles. It is incurable and I highly doubt that chemical castration will work long term, even on a voluntary basis. Drugs always have side effects and the more powerful the drug the more unpleasant the side effects usually are. I think that even voluntary candidates for the drug will get fed up with the side effects and eventually stop taking them.

There is no easy answer to this problem, let's face it, it has been a problem for hundreds of years, if there were an easy solution it would have been found by now.

It would be great for parents if they knew where the paedophiles were, but if people were informed of paedophiles in their area then the paedos would just move on and the police may lose track of them. Let's face it, it is not hard to disappear in this country, thousands of illegal immigrants manage to do just that every year.:rolleyes:

Historically, most sexually abused children are abused by somebody they know, whether it is uncle Albert, aunty Betty, a neighbour or friend of the family. To my knowledge, this is still the case..

As I said, there is no easy answer.

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Although once they see the benefits of not feeling the impulses towards children they may be able to be counsilled and persuaded to opt for long term solution - actual castration. So it still may have some benefits, they'll never really know until its put into practice.

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Blazey, thanks for taking time to answer my question...it is definitely a thorny old problem.

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Just finished reading this most interesting thread Margaret, quite a hornets nest has been stirred here, one thing I have noticed is that a lot of twaddle has been written about these despicable perverts, as usually is, and not enough about the affect it has on their victims. Convicted paedofiles should be castrated as a matter of course,(the old fashioned way), and more money and attention focussed on repairing the damaged lives they have left behind. The sad fact is that most, if not all of their victims, never recover from the despicable acts perpetrated upon them.

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Like everything else Ianto.....the things we don't subscribe to are invariably designated as 'twaddle'......there are always going to be diverse views on something which is as emotive as this......and I think that is good to have a discussion where folk can air their views.....and feel comfortable in doing that.

It amazes me that we have developed so much in technology and science and yet we can't come up with what is seen as an acceptable way to deal with such problems.

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And as in ALL crimes, very little respect is afforded to the victims....they are seen as incidental, yet their lives may be damaged beyond repair.