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blazey 16-06-2007 17:49

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 435800)
...and anyway, I think what people have actually experienced throughout life, is a hell of a lot more relevant to this topic, than what is taught from a book in a classroom.

Maybe thats why I know I wont kill a paedophile, my next door neighbour was convicted for having sex with a minor, what most people would certainly class as a paedophile.
I dont even think I felt any actual disgust at what he did, not in much of a passionate way anyway.

I don't even think I would feel the need to warn my sister about him (she's 8). Maybe there are different evels of paedophilia? I would put him on a low level but obviously I know that people have done alot worse than him.

ploppysirploppy 16-06-2007 18:44

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A couple of years ago i heard about a guy who'd raped an 18th month old... a baby... I felt sick. Maybe there are levels.... I think molesting a young child is different from having sex with a minor... firstly having sex is consented, whether a teen is young or not... it's consented. It's still wrong and there is a limit, but some sicko wouldn't say no.

I'm not defending people like that, but when you see little girls in make up on television in pagents, 5 year olds in short skirts and boots and such, people wonder why there's paedophiles? Maybe that's a stupid statement but I do cringe when I see little girls dressed like that....

Also, anybody heard about Jeremy Kyle on Monday? They've got a paedo on there boasting about what he's done.... If I watch it I'll probably throw up like a lady in the audience did...
Lea
x

blazey 16-06-2007 18:57

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Originally Posted by ploppysirploppy (Post 435816)
A couple of years ago i heard about a guy who'd raped an 18th month old... a baby... I felt sick. Maybe there are levels.... I think molesting a young child is different from having sex with a minor... firstly having sex is consented, whether a teen is young or not... it's consented. It's still wrong and there is a limit, but some sicko wouldn't say no.

I'm not defending people like that, but when you see little girls in make up on television in pagents, 5 year olds in short skirts and boots and such, people wonder why there's paedophiles? Maybe that's a stupid statement but I do cringe when I see little girls dressed like that....

Also, anybody heard about Jeremy Kyle on Monday? They've got a paedo on there boasting about what he's done.... If I watch it I'll probably throw up like a lady in the audience did...
Lea
x

The pageants make me cringe aswell. I hadnt heard about jeremy kyle on monday though, what times it going to be on, i have an exam on monday :(

As for correcting my grammar garinda, its an internet forum not a novel. No need to be petty.

I said you'd be shocked at whats taught in school because children are taught to be more tolerable now of everything. If a child said in class they'd like to murder bad people they'd get a more negative response than if they said they should be locked up. Children aren't taught to think that way.

ploppysirploppy 16-06-2007 19:08

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I have an exam too... and in the afternoon :(
It's on at 9.25am and then 1.30pm on ITV2.... I usually watch Jezza then but stupid afternoon exams get in the way.
Lea
x

piltymon 16-06-2007 20:03

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Originally Posted by Tombraider (Post 435789)
I agree here. I think some people are stuck for serious debatable questions and answers so are trying to divert the thread topic to other levels.

Maybe a poll would get the general opinion?

steeljack 16-06-2007 20:29

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435773)
Shucks, let's just shoot all the judges because one made a mistake, hang the perverts and lethal inject me so I don't have to listen to stupid comments!

ok , here we go
#1, Lord Longford as a peer of the realm, ex govt. minister etc, in my opinion was way out of line using whatever influence he had in trying to influence public opinion into thinking that Myra Hindley had been rehabilitated .
#2 , do you actually think that locking Myra Hindley for life did society any good whatsoever ?
#3, has has been mentioned in other posts, no one is advocating stringing up youngsters (teens) for having underage sex , what I think most sane folks want are the punishment to fit the crime , (notice I said Punishment and Crime) not treatment to heal the sickness, And messing with young kids is a crime
#4 methinks more is going here than meets the eye , could it be that "piltymon" is an anagram for .......maybe .....limp tony ? .........maybe the meds need increasing

:(:(

Less 16-06-2007 20:41

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435848)
Maybe a poll would get the general opinion?

Yes let's have a poll, we could call it which is the worst Piltymon or his daughter who can't stand the bloke? You have both done nothing to put forward any justifiable answers to Magaret's original questions, it's as if you are both trying to cover some evil secret with nothing but bluster, please go away and come back when you have sorted your own lives out, your bitterness is just clouding the issue.
:(

blazey 16-06-2007 20:42

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 435852)
ok , here we go
#1, Lord Longford as a peer of the realm, ex govt. minister etc, in my opinion was way out of line using whatever influence he had in trying to influence public opinion into thinking that Myra Hindley had been rehabilitated .
#2 , do you actually think that locking Myra Hindley for life did society any good whatsoever ?
#3, has has been mentioned in other posts, no one is advocating stringing up youngsters (teens) for having underage sex , what I think most sane folks want are the punishment to fit the crime , (notice I said Punishment and Crime) not treatment to heal the sickness, And messing with young kids is a crime
#4 methinks more is going here than meets the eye , could it be that "piltymon" is an anagram for .......maybe .....limp tony ? .........maybe the meds need increasing

:(:(

There were some 14yr old boys who forced a school girl to perform acts of oral sex on them at school a few months back.
Thats kids messing with kids so what is the solution to that?

One could argue children do these things is because we suppress a childs new sexual awakening at puberty until we feel its 'acceptable' to start practicing it.
Some societies allow children to express their sexual feelings at puberty so that they arent suppressed and they dont have sexual hang ups.
Maybe by suppressing sexuality of teenagers society are actually breeding these powerful and sometimes dangerous sexual desires in people?

Oh yeah also, Myra Hindley may have been released and classed as rehabilitated and she very likely still has sickening desires but on the other side, she's probably kept a very close eye on and is probably not allowed near children. I mean, she might have a new name but I'm pretty sure many people recognise her in the street.


Also Lea I believe we have the same exam, you mentioned studying law didnt you?

blazey 16-06-2007 20:47

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435855)
Yes let's have a poll, we could call it which is the worst Piltymon or his daughter who can't stand the bloke? You have both done nothing to put forward any justifiable answers to Magaret's original questions, it's as if you are both trying to cover some evil secret with nothing but bluster, please go away and come back when you have sorted your own lives out, your bitterness is just clouding the issue.
:(


excuse me but I was all for chemical castration and progression to full on castration so why dont you learn to read the entire thread?
My problem was with people who want to become murderers to solve the problem, whichI think personally is a very unethical idea compared to using scientific methods.

Less 16-06-2007 20:53

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435862)
excuse me but I was all for chemical castration and progression to full on castration so why dont you learn to read the entire thread?
My problem was with people who want to become murderers to solve the problem, whichI think personally is a very unethical idea compared to using scientific methods.

Wrong, your problem is you are a teenager that thinks she has all the answers, but unfortunately you haven't, so butt out, take daddy with you and leave the adults to the thread because you have contributed nothing worthwhile to accyweb.

piltymon 16-06-2007 21:03

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435864)
Wrong, your problem is you are a teenager that thinks she has all the answers, but unfortunately you haven't, so butt out, take daddy with you and leave the adults to the thread because you have contributed nothing worthwhile to accyweb.

I agree with Blazey on this one. You should have read the entire thread before you made yourself look stupid. Personal attacks at us won't "move things forward". You seem to forget that this is a forum and only peoples opinions. Maybe you should lobby your local MP, if you know how that is.

ploppysirploppy 16-06-2007 21:04

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Blazey, not me... never touched law! I got good ole maths
Lea
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blazey 16-06-2007 21:08

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Originally Posted by ploppysirploppy (Post 435869)
Blazey, not me... never touched law! I got good ole maths
Lea
x


Ah nevermind then, I must've got confused :) need to cut down on how many forums I use so I dont get people confused. It doesnt help that the other one I'm on is FULL of students lol cuz its a student one for uni and stuff.

Anyway I said I was quite happy for castration, I even put forward that they could easily force it onto people seen as they can force sterilization on mental patients in the right circumstances. I dont see why they wouldnt do the same with paedophiles.

blazey 16-06-2007 21:13

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435864)
Wrong, your problem is you are a teenager that thinks she has all the answers, but unfortunately you haven't, so butt out, take daddy with you and leave the adults to the thread because you have contributed nothing worthwhile to accyweb.

Your solution was murder, which means in reality that its you who didnt take margerets initial post seriously, as you only had lack of faith in the solution she put forward.

I at least thought it was a good idea and suggested that they could reinforce forced castration because they have done it with other controversial things.

You just seem to have a personal grudge against me and piltymon just because we bad repped your foul way of shouting abuse at people and having no ethical argument to make any change to the problem.


Oh yeh, and between the choice of being a student gaining education or being a middle aged loud mouth chav football yob, I think i'd rather be a teenager.

Less 16-06-2007 21:14

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435868)
I agree with Blazey on this one. You should have read the entire thread before you made yourself look stupid. Personal attacks at us won't "move things forward". You seem to forget that this is a forum and only peoples opinions. Maybe you should lobby your local MP, if you know how that is.

Oh boy, besides being an idiot, you are a stupid idiot, if your darling daughter had not called me 'that Less' and had concentrated enough to quote the correct post then maybe she would have some benefit of the doubt, but she didn't, so have another read through the thread and discover where both she an yourself started insulting people, (for yourself in misplaced hope and loyalty), for her because she thinks she has a minor amount of intelligence.

Can I repeat, neither of you seem willing to contribute anything worthwhile to accyweb so go away solve your own very severe problems and then come back, don't waste our time or the space on the server.

piltymon 16-06-2007 21:21

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435877)
Oh boy, besides being an idiot, you are a stupid idiot, if your darling daughter had not called me 'that Less' and had concentrated enough to quote the correct post then maybe she would have some benefit of the doubt, but she didn't, so have another read through the thread and discover where both she an yourself started insulting people, (for yourself in misplaced hope and loyalty), for her because she thinks she has a minor amount of intelligence.

Can I repeat, neither of you seem willing to contribute anything worthwhile to accyweb so go away solve your own very severe problems and then come back, don't waste our time or the space on the server.

Blazey has some very good points, quite a lot of intelligence but is young. You however have no points worth adding, don't seem very intelligent and old enough to have enough sense not to be verbally abusing posters. I think that maybe the "God member" has gone to your head. You are not a supreme being andnot everything you think is right actually is. My rebuttal of members in earlier posts was due to their inability to see anothers point of view.

Here's something to bring this argument forward >>

For what actual legally defined crime should we use chemical castration?

blazey 16-06-2007 21:31

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If I am stupid then I must be as stupid as margeret because I agreed with chemical castration, just not murder.

I think Less that you yourself have some issues, most notably nationalist ideology that I worry probably has other 'problems' that can be 'fixed' with murder.

We live in a modern society, with modern technology and modern thinking.
Death penalty got left behind in this country a long time ago.

The fact that I'm in a different generation to you doesn't maybe me stupid, it makes me different.

And you are just rude, and the only reason I'm having to still post is that I will not be called things behind my back by some nazi from accy.

Less 16-06-2007 21:33

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435882)

Here's something to bring this argument forward >>

For what actual legally defined crime should we use chemical castration?

Anything that might harm an innocent child, I also think that abusive parents/partners need dealing with in a severe manner and hope those guilty of such heinous crimes will be brought to justice one day, but I won't hold my breathe because there are fools and do gooders out there that always seem to say, "give them another chance", thats when we end up with deaths of the innocent instead of the guilty.
:confused:

blazey 16-06-2007 21:37

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435882)
Blazey has some very good points, quite a lot of intelligence but is young. You however have no points worth adding, don't seem very intelligent and old enough to have enough sense not to be verbally abusing posters. I think that maybe the "God member" has gone to your head. You are not a supreme being andnot everything you think is right actually is. My rebuttal of members in earlier posts was due to their inability to see anothers point of view.

Here's something to bring this argument forward >>

For what actual legally defined crime should we use chemical castration?

Minimum crime for chemical castration should be sexual molestation of a child.

piltymon 16-06-2007 21:41

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 435886)
Anything that might harm an innocent child, I also think that abusive parents/partners need dealing with in a severe manner and hope those guilty of such heinous crimes will be brought to justice one day, but I won't hold my breathe because there are fools and do gooders out there that always seem to say, "give them another chance", thats when we end up with deaths of the innocent instead of the guilty.
:confused:

I'd be very interested to hear the statistics on that if you have them Less. You still didn't answer my question though. I asked for the "Legally defined crime" that you would use Chemical castration?

garinda 17-06-2007 00:20

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435857)
Oh yeah also, Myra Hindley may have been released and classed as rehabilitated and she very likely still has sickening desires but on the other side, she's probably kept a very close eye on and is probably not allowed near children. I mean, she might have a new name but I'm pretty sure many people recognise her in the street.

Err...she's dead. She died in prison in 2002.

Perhaps you haven't reached that part of the syllabus yet, in those wonderful school lessons of your's.

garinda 17-06-2007 00:28

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Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 435882)
Blazey has some very good points, quite a lot of intelligence but is young. You however have no points worth adding, don't seem very intelligent and old enough to have enough sense not to be verbally abusing posters.


Sadly all her credibility was lost when she launched a foul mothed, and childish, personal attack against Margaret Pilkington, which I had the misfortune to see before it had to be removed by the moderators.

steeljack 17-06-2007 02:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 435901)
Err...she's dead. She died in prison in 2002.

Perhaps you haven't reached that part of the syllabus yet, in those wonderful school lessons of your's.

Darn it Garinda , now you have spoiled it , I was waiting to be told that Myra H. was now, as part of her rehabilitation a purveyor of choice meats to local kebab shops and pie factories .

:eek: :eek:

sorry for the thread wander

piltymon 17-06-2007 03:21

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 435909)
Darn it Garinda , now you have spoiled it , I was waiting to be told that Myra H. was now, as part of her rehabilitation a purveyor of choice meats to local kebab shops and pie factories .

:eek: :eek:

sorry for the thread wander

Well if that isn't showing your true colours..........
How very mature of you!

blazey 17-06-2007 12:05

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You'll find we don't spend time discussing Myra Hindleys life story at college.

This forum is full of really unintelligent people, and the only reason your all ganging up on people is because we aren't long term members of your forum so its wrong to agree with others over your 'god members'

I agreed with Margerets idea into she was a sarcastic cow. Then you're all whinging because I retaliated.

If we had no human rights act and we lived in a dictatorship i'd expect the government would get rid of the paedophiles and rapist and probably get rid of all the people who openly said they were willing to murder all those people as well, because if you ask me they should be labelled as dangerous and capable of heinous crimes aswell.

lancsdave 17-06-2007 12:09

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 435979)
This forum is full of really unintelligent people,


Is this book part of the cirriculum these days ? ;

How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie

:D

Margaret Pilkington 17-06-2007 12:36

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[quote=blazey;435885]If I am stupid then I must be as stupid as margeret because I agreed with chemical castration, just not murder.

I am not stupid...so please do not imply in posts that I am......and I have never advocated capital punishment for this offence.

Ianto.W. 17-06-2007 12:37

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Blazey. We live in a modern society, with modern technology and modern thinking.
Death penalty got left behind in this country a long time ago.
Mores the pity.
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Blazey. The fact that I'm in a different generation to you doesn't maybe me stupid, it makes me different.
You said it young lady.

Len 17-06-2007 13:01

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This topic has obviously run its course and it’s a great shame that it had to end like this but we cannot allow this sort of carry-on to continue, as it’s not doing accyweb any favours.
I did consider removing all the off topic/ personal attack posts but here are far too many, mush easier and simpler to closing the thread.
My apologies to Margaret Pilkington and all the other member who had made this an interesting topic.

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