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Saw in another recent thread comment about defending freedom of speech- might not agree with what you say but will fight for your right to say it etc.-
Do people actually believe that this is the case?

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Not me!

Brian

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There is no such thing as freedom of speech, otherwise we wouldn't have laws that prohibit you from saying certain things.

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Why didn't you just quote it and ask that in the thread? :o

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Because I saw it yesterday or the day before and now cant seem to find it. I think it might have been Willow but cant be sure.
Why? anyway. Your response seems a little upset by my action of posting a new thread.

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dont think theres a simple answer to that,though its a simple question! theres many grey areas, also areas where you are not allowed to make critisism, because someone somewhere will accuse you of Bullying/Racisim/Cruelty,etc etc, if people are saying something thats true,i personally have no problem with it, even if its hurtful to me.

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Does it matter what the certain things are? or should you be able to say ANYTHING to ANYONE

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But who judges the truth? Especially at the time someone is saying it. Can history be the only judge? More questions tahn answers I appreciate that

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No you shouldn't be able to say anything to anyone.

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Right so you saw it yesterday, but you can't find it today, that has answered my question, why take um bridge? I only wanted to know.:sad8:

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Apologies I may have read an emotion into your response which was not intended.

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By the way if you had been nice I might have told you how to find that post, but never mind you obviously don't need help!
:biggrin8:

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I think Willow has a point from the perspective of not descending into slander, lible or petty namecalling- BUT- are their topics that might be personal opinion, not slandering anyone for example which should not be given the oxygen of publicity?

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it was posted by me (mez) at 11mins past 10 am this morning in the why thread .

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What has that got to do with the price of Fish?:confused:

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Well some people think we talk too much about HBC and the ongoing creation that is Broadway, or the litter, or the sudden appearance of the planters, or the vandalised trees..............................

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What do you mean?

I am asking the question- following the theme of the thread- Are there topics/issues/belief systems/actions that should not have access to the concept of 'free speech'?

I am intrigued to know why your knickers are in such a twist Less- Is it past your bedtime or something?

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exactly what i was thinking, we seem to have been here before quite recently.:rolleyes:

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But those are issues of grnuine concern/interest to people and so should be talked about. It seems to me in this sense that the internet has replaced the garden fence.

I was simply interested to know if people who firmly hold the belief that people should have a right to say anything apply any restrictions to this policy and if so where is that line drawn andf does that contradict the stance taken in the first place?

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Whats not to understand?
And
If you arent interested in the discussion then why bother posting- seems odd to me.

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oh i,m very interested- IN YOU.:)

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Free speech should be a prerequisite of a democratic society.

But then again so should diplomacy, and knowing when the hell to shut up.:D

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That sounds quite threatening to me. Is it intended to intimidate and if so why?
Is that acceptable on this forum?
This is not a joke I genuinely feel intimidated by your comment.

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I basically mean talk sense or butt out, I asked an innocent question, (strange as it may seem to help a newbie), that newbie came back aggressive towards me then attempted to talk sense and missed, (by a mile), there are an infinite number of combinations as to how a keyboard can be used yours are lacking in thought, pleasantry's, and mainly Common sense.

That is, so long as what you type is worth the rest of us paying attention to, you have had your chance, you are obviously not worth spending time bringing to our standards, so go away and leave us to our world.

I would hate to go out of my way to insult you because so far you haven't said anything worth the criticism.
:pain30:

P.S. calm down or I'll get upset!:p

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get a life mate that is NOT intimidating hence the smiley to let you see that, if you cant or will not, you got a problem.

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Do you talk like this in real life? you sound all posh lol for an accy lass.

I don't think we have freedom of speech and to be honest I wouldn't fight to be able to say whatever I wanted as it isn't fair most of the time.

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Your not rosebud are you? He/she talks very similar to you, which isn't posh but it isn't common, erm' common sense, that is. :rolleyes:

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Is this what Thatcher wanted, when she closed down all the hospitals like Brockhall?

We are meant to be caring for these people, not antagonising, and running circles round them.

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Firstly my response to your question was not aggressive- I may have mis read your question but did not respond in an aggressive manner. I think the only aggression on display has been directed at me.

If you speak for Accrington Web as your response claims then I would be more than happy to 'leave you to your world' as it is abundantly obvious that it is one lacking coherent thought or the ability to debate in any sensible manner. It would be such a pity tyhough as I have read a number of comments on various threads from individuals that I am pretty sure that you would not be speaking for.

Maybe I am wrong- maybe you are the voice of the web- the webmaster so to speak- and if so god help us. Your comment regarding common sense is totally beyond me- perhaps I dont have any then.

I think that my question and subsequent responses did follow a theme. It feels however that it was hijacked by individuals who want to flex their 'I've been here longer than you' muscles.

Perhaps I should close by asking the question therefore to others on the forum-
Are the comments posted here reflective of the views of forum members? If so I will gladly accept that this is not the place for me and bid farewell graciously

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is this a joke about people with mental health problems? If so how proud you must be.

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I believe in free speech. However, I would not defend someone else getting on a soapbox about something I disagreed intensly about or found detestable.

I mean really, how many would truly defend a pedafile shouting out the benefits of such a lifestyle in a public square (oh and you've got your children in tow)? Or, a lunatic terrorist/psycho/etc, ranting on about killing, maiming, hurting those within earshot. I don't believe I would stand in front of these folks and let the rocks hit me.

So, how many would really defend all speech? I will go out on a limb and say there is in fact some speech that I would not allow. A good personal example is flag-burning by american citizens.

Brian

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Did Less top the Accy Web Master poll?

I forget.:D

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thats quite a fair summary, i can live with that.;)

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No I was too busy shoving my head where the sun don't shine that day trying to get away from idiots.:cool:

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Hey, I laughed and I have a mental health problem, it's called Rosebud. :)

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If only you had succeeded.

I assume I am one of the idiots you are referring to. Could I ask- what specific aspect of what I have had to say do you regard as idiotic?

So far the only idiotic comment I have seen (and I accept that ones perception of idiocy is subjective) is Garindas insensitive joke about mental illness.

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How offensive. I sincerely hope that neither yourself nor anyone close to you ever suffers from an illness of this nature. Or are you jusy trying to ba amusing- and if so shame on you.

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I wasn't joking!

I do care by the way.:)

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Oh are you still here? I thought you'd already said your goodbyes?

As is often said to people of your ilk, don't slam the door on the way out.
:rolleyes:

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If you are going to quote usually more accuarte to quote the whole sentence. My comment followed the question of whether your views are reflective of other forum users.

'As is usually said to people of your ilk' - What ilk is that then?

Were you a bully at school as well? or perhaps you were bullied and now its payback?

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No, first we must genuflect before you, and proclaim you our leader.:D

:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

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Couldnt you find a graphic showing genuflect?
Or is this a depiction of you begging for forgiveness for your abhorrent views regarding the mentally ill?

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How do you know that I'm not mentally ill?

Which therefore gives me an exemption, and which allows me to make humerous observations about the Conservatives care in the community programme.

As far as I can see the smilies definitely show a bending of the knees, therefore their genuflecting is correct.


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intr.v. gen·u·flect·ed, gen·u·flect·ing, gen·u·flects 1. To bend the knee or touch one knee to the floor or ground, as in worship.
2. To be servilely respectful or deferential; grovel.

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Strange as it may seem, if you reflect back to the beginning, I think you will find that you started on me after I asked you a simple question, please don't try to twist things around in a vain attempt to make it my fault.

You keep trying to make us seem like the aggressors when in actual fact you have come on here with the obvious intent of trying to disrupt.

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I think it's nice Rose Hip is making a stand for the mentally ill.

It's just a pity he didn't show the same insight, and understanding, when he saw a Union Jack, and thought we were all facists.:D

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Personally have no feelings about flag burnings , what I do find offensive are folks who think its ok to wear nasty 'skid- marked' Union-Jack or Stars and Stripes underwear ....now that is total disrespect
:D :D

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Good grief we're not all chavs in Accy you know? What the heck was posh about that? I wasn't even using big words.

I find that difficult to believe bearing in mind posts you have already made on this forum. ;)

This is a classic case of someone not reading a post in the same tone of voice in which it was written - despite the emoticon to give you a clue, and then responding defensively when there was no defense required thus creating the impression of aggression and sparking a defensive reaction in others.

Careful you'll be accused of being too posh for Accy if you use big words like 'coherent' ;)

Seriously though, surely you have realised by reading the threads that there is no such thing as an Accrington Web opinion. We are all different individuls with different opinions. Sometimes we agree with each other on one thing and disagree with each other on another thing.

I think you probably got off on the wrong foot though by associating AccyWeb meets with the BNP as the majority of members find the BNP and all it stands for the be beneath contempt. Not that I said 'majority' as there may well be one or two hard line facsists in our midst but they too are entitled to join as long as they don't try to convert those of us who do not wish to hear their propaganda.

No. We are all capable of forming our own opinions and don't need anyone to be our spokesman. Neither you, nor Less ------ but Less is funnier. :DThat's where staying within the bounds of the law and common decency comes into it. I wouldn't defend anyone's right to spout off i public about anything which was illegal or immoral.

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in other word's toe the line we run this forum is that what your saying:(

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You will struggle Rosebud.
When two of the "Big Guns" kick in (As they have) It turns into a slanging match.

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what planet are you on mate?:rolleyes:

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The 'Big Guns' will no doubt give you the answer to that one.

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No one mentioned Mafia in this thread. I have read of bullies, idiots and a party political rant on behalf of the labour party but nothing about the Mafia.
What gave you that idea Willow?

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The only person I remember posting to say that they were a member of the Labour party on this forum, was Gayle, and I suppose Graham Jones is too, as he is leader of that party on HBC.

I can't recall either of those two members going on a 'political rant' on here of late. Perhaps I missed it.

I'm sure we'd all love to hear from members of other political parties in Hyndburn, but no matter how much we plead, it seems that only our Labour councillor, and our Labour M.P., are prepared to make the effort.

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Yes I do!

There are libel and slander laws to take care of the untruths and the unwritten decency laws to take care of abuse.

The line is drawn by the fist that blacketh the eye Rosebud.

As for the rest of this thread I got the distinct feeling that I was back in a Primary School playground.

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Me too......It smells distinctly like a member who was banned from here not very long ago......or am I just a cynical so and so?

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I appreciate your attempt to keep this thread alive but for now I will take the fifth amendment.

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To be honest this whole " Mafia/ Newbie/conspiracy " thing is putting me off even looking at this website now.

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Sadly, I think that is there intent.

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The reference to 'Big Guns' seems to bother you somewhat.
I am able to provide an answer to the question, but taking the 5th I choose not to.
If you think this refers to you that is your problem if not then so be it.

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Not even in Darwen?:D

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Under the same umbrella Jim.
'Whatever you say will be used in evidence'
I still choose not to comment.
Even in Darwen.

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I guess I'm lucky.

I've never been afraid to say what I think, and have never had to resort to speaking in riddles, or claiming the right to silence.

A spades a spade, and all that, to me.:)

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I think that probably is intent...trying to get me going?

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Pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Crikey what is going on here??/ All this talk of big members..ooer missus :D
but come on if the so called long term members were such a problem then why is it only recently things have gone down hill on here?? Lots of arguing and back biting..but it always seems to involve a newbie, which in my mind seems to be mostly the same person (just my opinion and I could be wrong)

We've had laughter, disagreements, strong opinions, sillyness, advice to each other etc... etc.... and never decended into having a real go at each other and I for one have loved been a member of this forum for the past two years but lately theres seems to be thread after thread decending into arguments... and I think you can count out the long term members as causing it otherwise this would have been a problem for a long time!!!!

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Perhaps the 'big guns' are members, who in the middle of a debate are asked a question about something they have posted, and when asked to expand what they meant, actually have enough skill, or even basic good manners, to answer it.

Since both you by asking, and myself in answering your query, are by definition, big guns.:D:D

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theres a lot of sense in that statement red- not to mention TRUTH.:)

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Agreed. I've not noticed anyone changing. I know haven't.

Indeed I've probably mellowed, and am even sweeter.:D

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thats what I was saying, how can it be classed as god members, big guns, bobber inners or outers :rolleyes: or whoever else that has been blamed for the problems when they have been here for what feels like forever :D and yet the issues on here have only been recent?? makes no sense to me.. :confused:

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Common sense at last.

(Or are you just using propaganda, and are infact the Mafia spokeswoman?):D

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I just feel like there are far more pressing issues in the world at the moment than the Accy Web mafia etc. I come home from work hoping to unwind and catch up with friends on here; instead it just has the opposite effect and makes me wonder why I bothered even logging in. If something isn't done, and fast I will be joining Accymel !:( ( And I know that seems like giving in to the twerps who are responsible but life is too bl**dy short !!!!)

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OK Bombadier.......I give up
Thats your answer Willow.
I for one as a newbie will not run away with tail between legs because I have crossed swords with the heavy posters.
Its all very well to make fun of someone who can't or wont defend themselves from the onslaught but I am not built that way.

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This wasn't necessarily a go at you but some of the newbies in general... we have had some great times on here disagreeing in the past but always agreed to disagree but some people seem to have taken a disagreement of opinion far too personally lately

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You've watched the you tube vid too then?? :o

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Amazing !!! The most sensible post on here for weeks and it was posted by ............. a blonde :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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It's not about an 'onslaught', it's a forum which is, are was, a place where lively debate, as well as a bit of fun, was the norm.

Nobody needs to be defended from heavy swords.

That's the beauty of this place. Anyone who has the use of one finger, has an equal voice on this forum, and the right, within reason, to say what they want.

All this fearful, paranoid talk of the power of the big shots/mafia/bobber in and outers, is just plain ignorance.

As stated, we are all equal here, no one has any advantage.

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MEL...THUMP HIM FOR ME WILL YOU..but only a small thump cos he said I was sensible...karma dave?? :D:p

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Can we all get on with being nice to each other after Mel has thumped Dave? :D

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very difficult when Beggars have infiltrated accyweb.:rofl38::rofl38:

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Well they'll not get a farthing from me.

I think beggars should do a little jig, or play a penny whistle.:p

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OMG whats happening, I'm getting karma for saying sensible stuff...

<<<,red wanders off to find her medication>>>>

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Lets skip that bit and all live happily ever after :D

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You deserved it H.R. for saying what is right and what the majority of us thought anyway.

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thank you Mrs P :) aww shucks :o

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You are very Welcome.

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I know it is a bannable offence to talk about the mods and so I do apologise in advance but perhaps it's time we forced them to take a bit more action.

If a thread starts along these lines let's not discuss it, just report it to a mod and have them delete it - regardless of who started it.

I know there is the issue of free speech but all these threads are serving to do is fuel more aggro. Why is slagging someone off for being allowed to slag someone off a case of having free speech - we're just going in circles and it has to stop.

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I don't usually join in threads of this nature but I'm breaking with tradition - just this once. What I have to say isn't profound and isn't clever, it's just what I do.

When a thread looks mischievous, becomes contentious, appears malicious, I don't post. It's as simple as that. I post in threads that interest me or amuse me and I'll add my two pen'orth on a subject I have knowledge of but I find arguing about another poster's provocations and going over the same ground, time and time again, pointless and boring.

It might be worth remembering the old advice regarding a potential nuisance, "Just ignore him and he'll go away". It's no fun for the perpetrator if there's no audience and no feed-back, and you don't need a moderator to do it.

I would not announce to the world that I was leaving a website either. If I stopped posting, for good, I'd either be missed or I wouldn't, it's immaterial to me. Announcing your goodbyes is the equivalent of banging the door behind you as you make a dramatic exit - and I grew out of that about 50 years ago.

OK - you are now welcome to have a pop at that West Ender woman (and who does she think she is, anyway?). ;)

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Didn't say I was leaving Westender, just that I felt it was an option ! Have decided I am big and ugly enough to stay put and let it all wash over me !!!

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Oh I didn't mean you, L O. There have been those, more on other sites I use, I must admit, than on here, who make a big gesture of it. You stick with it, kid, it'll all be the same in 100 years as my mother used to say (I was never quite sure what it meant but it sounds good). :)