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jaysay 04-07-2008 17:04
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 602121)
Why should it not be?

We all like to moan about the lack of discipline in schools and how it used to be better in the good old days.

Surely the first stage of discipline for a child should be getting to school on time.
Spot on Neil, if we were late for school in the morning, we were also late leaving in the evening, like detention:rolleyes:

katex 04-07-2008 17:24
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602128)
Hunting kids down with snipers and bear traps is just going to create more anger in the youth.
Tut, tut, tut ... that someone had the audacity to point out in public that they ought to be in school at 8.50 a.m. and not buying butties !!!

Have taken Jambutty's comment re. the school gates on board .. ok then teachers, if on returning home you see some of your pupils in uniform, turning over a dustbin, writing graffiti on walls and tripping an old lady up with a walking stick on Union Road, just completely ignore it please, as bound to be someone who comments that it is none of your business.
I still feel that what this teacher did was over and above the call of duty and deserves a medal !

Attacking 'the core' problem has nothing to do with this thread, and from what I have read Rhyddings are making every effort to improve their standards.

Are pupil's lateness/absences not put on the end of term report now ? Know it was on my sons (up to 8 years ago) .. I always checked to see if any I didn't know about.

steeljack 04-07-2008 17:25
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602132)
The core problem in this instance is shoddy educational standards.

BRGS is Bacup & Rawtenstall Grammar School.
think you could be wrong in this , I'm thinking the kids at BRGS have parents at home who care about their offsprings future and see education as an investment in the kids future , whereas the parents of the morons attending Rhyddings see the place as just somewhere the kids have to go .

jambutty 04-07-2008 17:32
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602101)
Doesn't the school's responsibility start when the school day starts? Perhaps it is part of the teacher's duty to track down elusive pupils who should have been in school at that time of day. Why do you use the word "avenging" to describe a truant officer? Aren't they just doing their job and ensuring that children are where they should be? What would you suggest a truant officer should do if they find schoolchildren in a butty shop when they should be in school?

I don't know who the particular teacher was but I do know that some teachers (head/deputy head/head of year etc) have far more responsibilities than simply teaching lessons.
Yes it does but only at the school gate. The only time that a teacher has responsibilities outside the school gate is on an official trip away from school or when walking the pupils from one school to another. Although from what I can gather if the class has to go to a different school for a particular lesson, this is usually done during the dinner hour unsupervised.

Some schools are reluctant to phone the parents of a pupil that hasn’t turned up for school to ask where that pupil is. And why should they? Indeed some head teachers have been heard to state that it is not their job to chase up missing pupils. It is the parents’ responsibility to ensure that their kids go to school and not the schools to make sure that they get there.

If there is such a thing as a Truant Officer these days then it is that officer’s job to apprehend any school child that he sees not in school. Whether s/he can forcibly march them there is debatable.

Anyone bursting into a shop demanding that the pupils should be at school can legitimately be described as an “avenging” somebody. In any case I wasn’t describing a Truant Officer as avenging, I was comparing a teacher to an avenging Truant Officer.

Margaret Pilkington 04-07-2008 17:41
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Many schools will send parents a text message if their child has not shown up for registration.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 17:44
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602151)
I wasn’t describing a Truant Officer as avenging, I was comparing a teacher to an avenging Truant Officer.

You've lost me on that one.

I remember way back at the dawn of time when I was a pupil at the Accrington High School For Girls, Mabel B. Horne made it very clear that when we were wearing the school uniform we were representing the school. That included on the way to and on the way home from that school. At such times if we were seen by a teacher not to be wearing a tie, or beret (later corduroy cap) or to be behaving in what was deemed to be an unseemly manner said teacher would give us a very sharp piece of her mind.

If we had dared to respond in anything other than a co-operative manner we would have been queuing up outside the head's office next morning trembling in our regulation neatly laced up black school shoes.

jambutty 04-07-2008 17:45
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 602106)
I think we all (as a community) have some responsibility to each other......this proprietor lives in the area of the school...she must know what time school starts....and while she has no responsibility to ensure the children are in class at the correct time, she didn't need to undermine the authority of the teacher in the way she did.
The message she is sending out to these children is that it is OK to break the rules.....and she is sanctioning that.

I am very disappointed to read this story in the Observer, because in a way they are justifying her actions by reporting it in the way they did.
And if a child got onto a bus near the school to go into Accrington should the driver question the child why s/he is not at school? No of course not. It is none of his business. Well the same applies to the butty shop owner. It’s not her place to question where a customer is supposed to be.

The wrong message was sent out by the teacher angrily bursting into the shop and s/he exceeded his/her authority. What that teacher should have done is had a quiet word with the shopkeeper and explain that her customers should be in school. No doubt the shopkeeper would probably have responded favourably.

If you go in spitting fire and brimstone don’t be surprised if that’s what you get back.

Neil 04-07-2008 17:50
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602151)
Yes it does but only at the school gate. The only time that a teacher has responsibilities outside the school gate is on an official trip away from school or when walking the pupils from one school to another. Although from what I can gather if the class has to go to a different school for a particular lesson, this is usually done during the dinner hour unsupervised.

Some schools are reluctant to phone the parents of a pupil that hasn’t turned up for school to ask where that pupil is. And why should they? Indeed some head teachers have been heard to state that it is not their job to chase up missing pupils. It is the parents’ responsibility to ensure that their kids go to school and not the schools to make sure that they get there.

If there is such a thing as a Truant Officer these days then it is that officer’s job to apprehend any school child that he sees not in school. Whether s/he can forcibly march them there is debatable.

Anyone bursting into a shop demanding that the pupils should be at school can legitimately be described as an “avenging” somebody. In any case I wasn’t describing a Truant Officer as avenging, I was comparing a teacher to an avenging Truant Officer.
Do some reading on the current law regarding schools and truancy, you are way behind the times my friend.

The schools responsibility does not start and end at the school gates any more.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 17:50
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She wasn't spitting fire and brimstone at the shop owner though was she? She was instructing the pupils, pupils who are her responsibility, where they ought to be. We only have the shop owner's version that she was screaming like a banshee. I would like to hear the teacher's version of events.

Tin Monkey 04-07-2008 17:54
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Thankfully I can't see JB's post, although unfortunately I've read Willow's quote. It looks like another trolling mission from 'the great one' and should just be ignored. Either that, or he is totally out of touch with the modern world.

No doubt he'll respond by saying I've abused him, but equally thankfully, I won't be able to see it. :D

katex 04-07-2008 17:56
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602161)
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The wrong message was sent out by the teacher angrily bursting into the shop and s/he exceeded his/her authority. What that teacher should have done is had a quiet word with the shopkeeper and explain that her customers should be in school. No doubt the shopkeeper would probably have responded favourably.

If you go in spitting fire and brimstone don’t be surprised if that’s what you get back.
I give up ... :rolleyes: Still not the point .. yes, the teacher maybe should not have been, as described, 'over-zealous' as such ... but the fact that it has gone to the paper and she has made the comments she did just smacks of nastiness and self-glorificaton to me.

jambutty 04-07-2008 17:56
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 602119)
What makes you so sure that it is not that teachers job to act on truant kids?

And yes it is the schools responsibility what the kids buy when they are in school time.

Did you know that the school can issue a fine to the parents of the truant children?

I do hope that the Head Teacher at Rhyddings comes down hard on these children and makes an example of them.
I don’t recall saying that. Ah! But I forgot. Put words into someone’s mouth to make a point.

Really! Since when? Unless the school has a “Tuck Shop”.

I didn’t know that. If that is the case then it is giving the school an authority that it shouldn’t have.

I agree with your last sentence though.

jambutty 04-07-2008 17:58
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 602158)
Many schools will send parents a text message if their child has not shown up for registration.
Always assuming that A) the parent has a mobile phone and B) has it switched on whilst at work.

Neil 04-07-2008 18:01
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602174)
I didn’t know that. If that is the case then it is giving the school an authority that it shouldn’t have.
There you go, have a read of this ( or is it that? I was not good at English ;) )
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Penalty notices

From 27 February 2004, local authority officers, typically Education Welfare Officers, head teachers (and deputy head teachers and assistant head teachers authorised by them) and the police have the power to issue penalty notices for truancy.
What is a penalty notice?
  • Parents of a registered pupil whose child fails to attend school regularly are committing an offence.
  • Penalty notices provide an alternative to prosecution for the offence in the form of a fine. There are two levels of penalty notice - £50 (if paid within 28 days) and £100 (if paid later than 28 days but within 42 days).
  • Parents who pay the penalty notice within the time limits cannot later be prosecuted for the offence to which the penalty notice relates.
What if I dont pay?
  • If a parent does not pay a properly issued notice within 42 days, the LA will prosecute for the offence of irregular attendance under s444 Education Act 1996.
Can I appeal against a penalty notice?
  • There is no right of appeal against the penalty notice, but if you believe it to have been wrongly issued to you, you should contact the local authority (LA) immediately as they may withdraw the penalty notice if it is not issued in accordance with their local code or has been issued to the wrong person.
  • If the penalty notice is not withdrawn and you do not pay, you will be prosecuted under s444 Education Act 1996 and a court will consider the evidence and decide whether the offence has been committed and, if so, the appropriate penalty.

Margaret Pilkington 04-07-2008 18:08
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We only have the proprietors word for what went on in regard to the teachers attitude...so I think it is hard to judge whether or not she was spitting fire and brimstone.
After all the story would not have been anywhere near as sensational(if you can call it that, but obviously, by Observer terms it was)if the report had stated that the teacher walked in and calmly frog-marched the offending pupils back to school.......the proprietors report is subjective......and worded to give best publicity. Stunt seems to have had the desired effect.

And Jambutty, it seems that most parents these days do have mobile phones, though we cannot say all......a text message is sent and logged......and if there is no response then a call is made to a landline number...if one is available.

jambutty 04-07-2008 18:11
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602160)
You've lost me on that one.

I remember way back at the dawn of time when I was a pupil at the Accrington High School For Girls, Mabel B. Horne made it very clear that when we were wearing the school uniform we were representing the school. That included on the way to and on the way home from that school. At such times if we were seen by a teacher not to be wearing a tie, or beret (later corduroy cap) or to be behaving in what was deemed to be an unseemly manner said teacher would give us a very sharp piece of her mind.

If we had dared to respond in anything other than a co-operative manner we would have been queuing up outside the head's office next morning trembling in our regulation neatly laced up black school shoes.
Yes indeed your uniform was representing the school, as was mine, and misbehaviour would reflect badly on the school but no teacher had the authority to make a pupil put his hat or tie on whilst on the way home. But we didn’t know that they were just assuming an authority, so we obeyed. To put it bluntly we were lied to.

School have never had any authority over the pupils outside of the school except as I have already explained.

Many of my teachers went to and from school on the same bus that the pupils did and thus the pupils behaved themselves. But the teacher had no authority to supervise the pupils. But then we didn’t know that, and we did have respect for the teacher’s authority. It was the conductor and ultimately the driver who ensured good behaviour on the bus.

jambutty 04-07-2008 18:16
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602167)
She wasn't spitting fire and brimstone at the shop owner though was she? She was instructing the pupils, pupils who are her responsibility, where they ought to be. We only have the shop owner's version that she was screaming like a banshee. I would like to hear the teacher's version of events.
It was reported that the teacher angrily barged into the shop and demanded that the pupils get to school immediately.

That’s about as close to spitting fire and brimstone as you can get without actually doing so.

But you are nit picking as usual and trying to defend a teacher who overstepped the mark.

garinda 04-07-2008 18:17
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Perhaps the publicity seeking shop owner can employ all the pupils who frequent her shop, after they've left the school.

After all she won't mind a jot if they are late for work every morning, and are sat eating a sausage roll somewhere.

I again applaud the actions of this teacher. The sooner people realise life has to be played by certain rules, the better.

Rhyddings shouldn't be targeted as a bad school. Things can, and do improve, and also the reverse. Twenty years ago Moorhead was seen academically as the best of the local schools, and Holy Family was struggling, and now it's all changed round.

Things can improve in any school, with the right teachers, of which this woman is one.

garinda 04-07-2008 18:19
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602167)
She wasn't spitting fire and brimstone at the shop owner though was she? She was instructing the pupils, pupils who are her responsibility, where they ought to be. We only have the shop owner's version that she was screaming like a banshee. I would like to hear the teacher's version of events.

Exactly.

Only the shop keeper's version of events.

Perhaps she's just miffed because she didn't get the children's money in her till.

katex 04-07-2008 18:21
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602185)
Yes indeed your uniform was representing the school, as was mine, and misbehaviour would reflect badly on the school but no teacher had the authority to make a pupil put his hat or tie on whilst on the way home.
Actually, Willow, if you remember, they delegated this job, in the main, to the prefects, which were also well respected ... LOL.

jambutty 04-07-2008 18:21
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 602178)
There you go, have a read of this ( or is it that? I was not good at English ;) )
Much obliged but I have never claimed to know everything. Not being directly involved with the education of young children this one passed me by.

However it does refer to “regular non-attendance” and not just a one off, which your statement in light of the discussion, implied.

Margaret Pilkington 04-07-2008 18:22
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602167)
. I would like to hear the teacher's version of events.
Me too Willow...as I have noted.....a very subjective and one sided report.
Not top class journalism is it?

Margaret Pilkington 04-07-2008 18:24
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[
However it does refer to “regular non-attendance” and not just a one off, which your statement in light of the discussion, implied.[/quote]

We have no criteria to judge whether these pupils were persistent offenders or not. You are making assumptions.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 18:34
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602187)
It was reported that the teacher angrily barged into the shop and demanded that the pupils get to school immediately.
'It was reported' - but only second hand. The newspaper reporter did not witness the event but merely reported heresay which was obtained from the shop owner. It would never stand up in a court of law (just ask Blazey - she'll tell you.)

IMO the teacher had every right to be dischuffed with the pupils.

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 602191)
Actually, Willow, if you remember, they delegated this job, in the main, to the prefects, which were also well respected ... LOL.
Yes indeed. Those were the good old days when it was an honour to be a prefect. We wore our badges with pride.
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602192)
Much obliged but I have never claimed to know everything. Not being directly involved with the education of young children this one passed me by.
Some of us on the other hand are directly involved in education either as teachers or school governors or even spouse of the aforementioned and we do tend to know a teeny bit about it.

jambutty 04-07-2008 18:35
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 602184)
We only have the proprietors word for what went on in regard to the teachers attitude...so I think it is hard to judge whether or not she was spitting fire and brimstone.
After all the story would not have been anywhere near as sensational(if you can call it that, but obviously, by Observer terms it was)if the report had stated that the teacher walked in and calmly frog-marched the offending pupils back to school.......the proprietors report is subjective......and worded to give best publicity. Stunt seems to have had the desired effect.

And Jambutty, it seems that most parents these days do have mobile phones, though we cannot say all......a text message is sent and logged......and if there is no response then a call is made to a landline number...if one is available.
I am sure that most parents do have a mobile phone but if they are at work the chances are that it has to be switched off. I also know plenty of people who have dumped their landline as an economy measure because they have a mobile phone each and the kids.

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.

I’m off to toast three crumpets liberally spread with best butter and Lemon Curd.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 18:49
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602205)

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.
Reported by someone with an axe to grind and written about by someone who wasn't actually there - and we are not skirting round that. The reporting left a lot to be desired as has been said by more than one person here.
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602205)

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.
Of course the accuracy of the report is relevant. Everything else hangs on whether or not the report was accurate. If the teacher calmly walked into the shop and informed the pupils they were late for school and told them to hurry up and get there that is a world away from ranting and raving at them.
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602205)

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.
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No, the teacher did not overstep his/her authority. And as for setting a bad example I am totally gobsmacked at that. How can getting the pupils to school where they ought to be be considered setting a bad example? Is it setting a good example to encourage them to play truant?

Enjoy your crumpets.

hedman2003 04-07-2008 18:58
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602205)
I am sure that most parents do have a mobile phone but if they are at work the chances are that it has to be switched off. I also know plenty of people who have dumped their landline as an economy measure because they have a mobile phone each and the kids.

But you are all skirting round the real issue here. And that is that it was reported that a teacher barged angrily into a butty shop close to the school and demanded that the pupils from that school who were being served, depart for the school immediately.

Whether the report was accurate or not is not the issue, nor I would add is the issue of whether the shopkeeper should be serving pupils of a nearby school after the time that they should be in that school.

That teacher overstepped his/her authority as well as setting a bad example to those pupils and that teacher should be censured for doing so. Some correspondents agree with that view and some do not and ne’r the twain shall meet.

I’m off to toast three crumpets liberally spread with best butter and Lemon Curd.

I hope this is tongue in cheek otherwise I couldn't disagree with you more, the Teacher had some passion and it's a shame the pupils didn't have the same drive and determination to get into school.

How should she have addressed the pupils "excuse me ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to dirupt your breakfast time but would you mind at your convienience coming into the centre of learning as all your friends and teachers are waiting for you." Oh and thank you mrs Shopkeeper for looking after our wonderful disciplined pupils in your eatery."

The Teacher should be commended it's a shame there aren'y more people in our communities who know the difference between right and wrong

Eric 04-07-2008 19:06
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 601987)
...but he had a fine Welsh singing voice. I know because he sat behind me in church.:D

Incidentally his wife taught me when I was six, as well as also being my Sunday scholl teacher. As fine a Christian woman as her husband, and a socialist to boot. I had many interesting conversations with her about politics as an adult.

When I lived in London I was also in a quiz team with their granddaughter, a doctor, who is a fine a young woman as her grandmother.
Small world ain't it .... I enjoyed Chemistry with Mr. Owen, a superb teacher, altho' like the rest of the class, I couldn't hold back the laughs when he said "Avogadro's hypothesis" in his beautiful Welsh accent .... I knew his son who was in the same year as I was.

Margaret Pilkington 04-07-2008 19:14
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As Willow and others have rightly observed...everything hangs on the report or we wouldn't even be discussing it.
Last word.

jambutty 04-07-2008 19:18
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602208)
Reported by someone with an axe to grind and written about by someone who wasn't actually there - and we are not skirting round that. The reporting left a lot to be desired as has been said by more than one person here.Of course the accuracy of the report is relevant. Everything else hangs on whether or not the report was accurate. If the teacher calmly walked into the shop and informed the pupils they were late for school and told them to hurry up and get there that is a world away from ranting and raving at them.

No, the teacher did not overstep his/her authority. And as for setting a bad example I am totally gobsmacked at that. How can getting the pupils to school where they ought to be be considered setting a bad example? Is it setting a good example to encourage them to play truant?

Enjoy your crumpets.
I don’t know about anyone else but I can only comment on what I read and don’t bring issues into it that cannot be confirmed.

Can you establish that someone had an axe to grind and who was it? How do you know that the reporting left a lot to be desired? Just because more than one person said so, does that make it true? Were you there and privy to what actually happened? I think that 4 “noes” are due there.

Precisely and you and others are just assuming that it was not and not accepting it at face value.But that is a supposition of what should have happened and is tantamount to agreeing that the real event was wrong.

The teacher’s bad example was trying to bully the pupils into leaving the shop and going to school. In effect the teacher was saying, “If you shout and demand you will get.”

An irrelevant statement.

The crumpets were delicious thank you. The only problem was the melted butter dribbling down the front of the chin.

yerself 04-07-2008 19:20
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Originally Posted by Jambutty
If you go in spitting fire and brimstone don’t be surprised if that’s what you get back.
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Originally Posted by Jambutty
But you are nit picking
You want to take a close look at yourself Mr. Sandwich. I think the only way to avoid reading the outpourings of this geriatric is to add him to the ignore list like Tin Monkey apparently has.

jambutty 04-07-2008 19:22
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 602194)
Me too Willow...as I have noted.....a very subjective and one sided report.
Not top class journalism is it?
I don’t suppose that it had occurred to anyone that the teacher might have refused to make a statement or was prevented from doing so by the head?

Once again you are making assumptions and hanging your case on them. Not very good debating is it?

garinda 04-07-2008 19:24
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602226)
The only problem was the melted butter dribbling down the front of the chin.
I'm sure we'll all imagine you dribbling as you type from now on.

If school had started, the teacher had every right to rebuke them. Their parents probably assume they are already in their care.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 19:25
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602226)
I can only comment on what I read and don’t bring issues into it that cannot be confirmed.

And that is the whole point. NONE of it can be confirmed. It is a totally biased one sided story which does no-one any favours, least of all the butty shop owner.

garinda 04-07-2008 19:29
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602234)
It is a totally biased one sided story which does no-one any favours, least of all the butty shop owner.

...who's probably peeved because she lost the money on five sausage and egg sandwiches.

jambutty 04-07-2008 19:30
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Originally Posted by hedman2003 (Post 602214)
I hope this is tongue in cheek otherwise I couldn't disagree with you more, the Teacher had some passion and it's a shame the pupils didn't have the same drive and determination to get into school.

How should she have addressed the pupils "excuse me ladies and gentlemen I'm sorry to dirupt your breakfast time but would you mind at your convienience coming into the centre of learning as all your friends and teachers are waiting for you." Oh and thank you mrs Shopkeeper for looking after our wonderful disciplined pupils in your eatery."

The Teacher should be commended it's a shame there aren'y more people in our communities who know the difference between right and wrong
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and doesn’t do anything for a serious discussion.


However I agree with you that it is a shame that there aren't more people in our communities who know the difference between right and wrong.

A teacher who angrily barged into a butty shop during school hours demanding that the pupils leave and head for school for a start, plus everyone trying to defend the teacher’s action. That teacher should have been in school doing his/her job.

WillowTheWhisp 04-07-2008 19:32
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I think the only person on here who seems to have difficulty judging what's right and wrong is you.

Neil 04-07-2008 19:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602239)
A teacher who angrily barged into a butty shop during school hours demanding that the pupils leave and head for school for a start, plus everyone trying to defend the teacher’s action. That teacher should have been in school doing his/her job.
Has anyone bothered to ask that teacher why she was there? I thought Rhyddings have been having a purge on this sort of thing at the moment so maybe it was her job to find the kids in the schools care who were missing.

We went to our sons induction day last night, he moves to secondary school ( yes I am old ) in september.

One thing they said was that all childen not registered in the morning are followed up. This is where the text messages and/or phone calls home in. This is for a couple or reasons - kids skiving and also in case the child has had an accident on the way to school. I think the schools are more responsible than they used to be on this point. When you send your 11 year olds to school on the bus you know they are there safely if you have not been contacted. They even do the same on occasion if the child has a letter just in case the child wrote it or got a friend to phone in ( yes it does happen )

Neil 04-07-2008 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602239)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and doesn’t do anything for a serious discussion.
It is but I am so good at it I find it hard to resist :D:D:D

jambutty 04-07-2008 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602234)
And that is the whole point. NONE of it can be confirmed. It is a totally biased one sided story which does no-one any favours, least of all the butty shop owner.
You are still making an assumption that it was a “totally biased and one sided story” without one single shred of evidence to back up your claim. Why don’t you admit that the reporter couldn’t get ‘the other side’ because the teacher would not or could not give an interview? Of course the reporter may not have even tried, but we don’t know that. Yet you feel it is all right to castigate the reporter on an assumption and indulge in a bit of name calling of the shopkeeper.

But then you do have to have the last word come what may, don’t you?

jambutty 04-07-2008 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602241)
I think the only person on here who seems to have difficulty judging what's right and wrong is you.
Then you thought wrong!

But I don’t make assumptions to try and prove my point.

garinda 04-07-2008 19:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602241)
I think the only person on here who seems to have difficulty judging what's right and wrong is you.
I wouldn't take too much notice.

Don't forget this is the person who sits in a disabled parking space, whilst his able bodied companion does the errands, and therefore might be preventing a genuine person from using that space.

Hardly someone who can take the moral high ground.

Good to see so much support for this teacher's actions, from most right thinking folk.

Shady McGough 04-07-2008 19:52
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Not read the whole thread so if this has been posted before I apologise but surely these kids should have had something to eat before they left home? I may be an older person but when I was at school I never left home without some breakfast. This, to me, smacks of SOME parents not giving a toss that their child has not had anything to eat for breakfast, family standards slipping, decline of the western world.....etc

Royboy39 04-07-2008 19:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602260)
I wouldn't take too much notice.

Don't forget this is the person who sits in a disabled parking space, whilst his able bodied companion does the errands, and therefore might be preventing a genuine person from using that space.

Hardly someone who can take the moral high ground.

Good to see so much support for this teacher's actions, from most right thinking folk.
Agree with the Teachers actions......But..........What has a disabled parking badge got to do with teacher or pupil?

garinda 04-07-2008 20:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 602262)
Agree with the Teachers actions......But..........What has a disabled parking badge got to do with teacher or pupil?
I think if someone is moralising, that person's morality can be questioned.

Royboy39 04-07-2008 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602267)
I think if someone is moralising, that person's morality can be questioned.
I think that puts you in the frame for a below the belt comment which has nothing to do with the subject.

Benipete 04-07-2008 20:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602252)
You are still making an assumption that it was a “totally biased and one sided story” without one single shred of evidence to back up your claim. Why don’t you admit that the reporter couldn’t get ‘the other side’ because the teacher would not or could not give an interview? Of course the reporter may not have even tried, but we don’t know that. Yet you feel it is all right to castigate the reporter on an assumption and indulge in a bit of name calling of the shopkeeper.

But then you do have to have the last word come what may, don’t you?
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Don't know what all the fuss is about.You either go to school or you don't.But if you do then you don't go on your own terms you stick to the rules.
I.E If your not on the dockside or at the pit head at the right time you don't get a days work.When I was an apprentice. if I missed the van I got left behind.Only missed once.There was no-one there to give me 10 mins notice.Lock the little sods out if their late,They will soon learn-I did:dancedog:

Lilly 04-07-2008 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 602276)
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Don't know what all the fuss is about.You either go to school or you don't.But if you do then you don't go on your own terms you stick to the rules.
I.E If your not on the dockside or at the pit head at the right time you don't get a days work.When I was an apprentice. if I missed the van I got left behind.Only missed once.There was no-one there to give me 10 mins notice.Lock the little sods out if their late,They will soon learn-I did:dancedog:
Hear hear, Benipete.

We're too soft these days.

I don't think teachers are allowed to lock kids out......more's the pity in some cases. :(

hedman2003 04-07-2008 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602239)
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and doesn’t do anything for a serious discussion.


However I agree with you that it is a shame that there aren't more people in our communities who know the difference between right and wrong.

A teacher who angrily barged into a butty shop during school hours demanding that the pupils leave and head for school for a start, plus everyone trying to defend the teacher’s action. That teacher should have been in school doing his/her job.
Quite honestly I thought you were a wind up merchant we need discipline back on our streets nd if that means that a Teacher has to raise her voice then so be it, The trouble is the Teachers, police etc cant exert any meaningful discipline due the restrictions that are placed on them.

I've said it before lets name and shame these kids, lets see their mugshots in the paper (stuff the "a 14 year old who couldn't be named for legal reasons") Lets have them in a pen on broadway on a Saturday afternoon. For goodness sick lets stop making excuses for them

They know what there doing, don't tell me kids don't know their doing wrong when their committing acts of vandelism, physical violence etc

I'm sick of this mamby pamby socieity that we live in it's time to take back the streets. how many offffences does a kid have to commit before there's any meaningful punishment?

polly 04-07-2008 21:02
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I went to Rhyddings - occasionally! From about Year 9 I 'dropped out'. I wish someone had come looking for me (instead of breathing a sigh of relief). If they had dragged me back in to school (and preferable taken the time to find out what was wrong they could have saved me about 6 wasted years which is aobut the the time it took me to realise that you do't get anywhere without qualifications.
When I was at Rhyddings there were good and bad teachers and when Miss Moore arrived she certainly pulled the standards up. She would not have allowed kids in butty shops when they should have been in school.

Children dont always know what is best for them, though they may think they do. Sometimes adults have to take responsibility this teacher should be applauded and the samwich shop owner, well she is beyond belief!

polly 04-07-2008 21:02
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I went to Rhyddings - occasionally! From about Year 9 I 'dropped out'. I wish someone had come looking for me (instead of breathing a sigh of relief). If they had dragged me back in to school (and preferable taken the time to find out what was wrong they could have saved me about 6 wasted years which is aobut the the time it took me to realise that you do't get anywhere without qualifications.
When I was at Rhyddings there were good and bad teachers and when Miss Moore arrived she certainly pulled the standards up. She would not have allowed kids in butty shops when they should have been in school.

Children dont always know what is best for them, though they may think they do. Sometimes adults have to take responsibility this teacher should be applauded and the samwich shop owner, well she is beyond belief!

BERNADETTE 04-07-2008 22:47
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I can't believe a lot of what has been said about the teacher being in the wrong. These little darlings are well aware of the school rules and they state they must be in school for 8:40. They blatantly ignore the rules, so why should the not get a bollocking public or otherwise?? Most kids who think they are going to be late would try their utmost to get to school as soon as possible, so the fault lies with the attitude of these kids not the teacher!!!!

Loz 04-07-2008 23:21
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Can't believe your opinion on this Jambutty.
I thought that being from the generation you are that respect for the teachers and school would be something you would advocate not slagging them off for trying to get pupils in school so they can get an education.
I would never have turned up late for school without good reason and if i did i would expect to be punished.
If you let kids get away with murder now there is no hope for the future.

jaysay 05-07-2008 09:28
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Ain't this an example of shoddy journalism by the Observer, only getting one side of the story, maybe the school band the teacher from talking to the press but the story was very unbalanced, and seemingly instigated by the shop owner, hope it has the reverse effect she was hoping far

shakermaker 05-07-2008 14:58
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Totally agree with jambutty on this one. Can't believe the amount of people who disagree with his views for "disagreeing with jambutty"'s sake. Rather pathetic really.

WillowTheWhisp 05-07-2008 15:09
Re: Don't bug me teacher, eating me breakfast.
 
I disagree with him because I disagree with his point of view, as I would disagree with it whoever posted it. Nowt to do with who said it.

garinda 05-07-2008 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602480)
Totally agree with jambutty on this one. Can't believe the amount of people who disagree with his views for "disagreeing with jambutty"'s sake. Rather pathetic really.
If I thoought he was right I'd say so.

I don't.

I think the teacher totally did the right thing.

katex 05-07-2008 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602501)
If I thoought he was right I'd say so.

I don't.
Me too Garinda .. find your remark a little more than strange Shakermaker.

Think even Jambutty would not agree with your remark about not agreeing for the sake of it.. :D

garinda 05-07-2008 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 602514)
Me too Garinda .. find your remark a little more than strange Shakermaker.

Think even Jambutty would not agree with your remark about not agreeing for the sake of it.. :D

Agreed.

I'm more of the opinion that it's his post that's pathetic, in that it's laughable.:p

Loz 05-07-2008 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602480)
Totally agree with jambutty on this one. Can't believe the amount of people who disagree with his views for "disagreeing with jambutty"'s sake. Rather pathetic really.
It isn't because it's JB who posted it it's because i really don't agree with what he said and would feel the same if anybody had posted that opinion.

jambutty 05-07-2008 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602260)
I wouldn't take too much notice.

Don't forget this is the person who sits in a disabled parking space, whilst his able bodied companion does the errands, and therefore might be preventing a genuine person from using that space.

Hardly someone who can take the moral high ground.

Good to see so much support for this teacher's actions, from most right thinking folk.
Only a cantankerous woman could recall in finite detail what someone did and said ages ago.

If proof were ever needed, your continual bringing up of a past post to make a puerile point proves conclusively what a mealy mouthed, mean, spiteful, vicious, nasty, excuse for a human being you are.

You can use your imagination as to what I would have liked to post but forum etiquette prevents me from doing so. I’m sure that someone with your disposition would be able to do so eloquently.:tongueout

jambutty 05-07-2008 16:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hedman2003 (Post 602284)
Quite honestly I thought you were a wind up merchant we need discipline back on our streets nd if that means that a Teacher has to raise her voice then so be it, The trouble is the Teachers, police etc cant exert any meaningful discipline due the restrictions that are placed on them.

I've said it before lets name and shame these kids, lets see their mugshots in the paper (stuff the "a 14 year old who couldn't be named for legal reasons") Lets have them in a pen on broadway on a Saturday afternoon. For goodness sick lets stop making excuses for them

They know what there doing, don't tell me kids don't know their doing wrong when their committing acts of vandelism, physical violence etc

I'm sick of this mamby pamby socieity that we live in it's time to take back the streets. how many offffences does a kid have to commit before there's any meaningful punishment?
The real point in this issue is that teachers do not have the authority to trawl the town looking for truant pupils and to force them back to school.

Nor does that teacher have the right to angrily barge into a business premises or even a private one for that matter and demand that the customers, who were pupils at a nearby school, to get to school immediately.

Whether this reported incident was badly reported or biased is not an issue particularly as no one except the reporter knows if an attempt was made to hear the school’s side on the issue. People just make a supposition, clamber on their collective moral high horse and spout nonsense.

If some people are so all fired up about this incident then I suggest that on Monday morning they go along to the school, pretend to be a freelance reporter and ask the school head for a statement on the incident. Don’t be surprised if the school head comes back with no comment because the school head will know that the teacher in question exceeded his/her authority and would rather let the incident die a death than be resurrected.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 16:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 602487)
I disagree with him because I disagree with his point of view, as I would disagree with it whoever posted it. Nowt to do with who said it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602501)
If I thoought he was right I'd say so.

I don't.

I think the teacher totally did the right thing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 602514)
Me too Garinda .. find your remark a little more than strange Shakermaker.

Think even Jambutty would not agree with your remark about not agreeing for the sake of it..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loz (Post 602519)
It isn't because it's JB who posted it it's because i really don't agree with what he said and would feel the same if anybody had posted that opinion.

Ah here we go, the "What? Moi? I'm whiter than white!" backlash begins.
Funny how I didn't mention whom I was referring to yet you all jump to defend yourselves. :rolleyes: :D
Careful, a little paranoia can be dangerous!
I was actually referring to posts such as these (which often creep up in every thread jambutty replies to):
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 602171)
Thankfully I can't see JB's post, although unfortunately I've read Willow's quote. It looks like another trolling mission from 'the great one' and should just be ignored. Either that, or he is totally out of touch with the modern world.

No doubt he'll respond by saying I've abused him, but equally thankfully, I won't be able to see it. :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 602227)
You want to take a close look at yourself Mr. Sandwich. I think the only way to avoid reading the outpourings of this geriatric is to add him to the ignore list like Tin Monkey apparently has.

garinda 05-07-2008 16:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602533)
Don’t be surprised if the school head comes back with no comment because the school head will know that the teacher in question exceeded his/her authority and would rather let the incident die a death than be resurrected.
"In this specific incident the students in question were still in Union Road well after classes had started and our staff member strongly told the pupils where they should be.''

''Punctuality is very important to the school. If our staff member was over-zealous in her response it is unfortunate, but if our pupils want to get a job after leaving school they must realise punctuality is important."

http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/...sts_in_to_cafe

Happily it sounds to me that this teacher has the Head's full backing.

Reportedly.

katex 05-07-2008 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602541)
Ah here we go, the "What? Moi? I'm whiter than white!" backlash begins.
Funny how I didn't mention whom I was referring to yet you all jump to defend yourselves. :rolleyes: :D
Careful, a little paranoia can be dangerous!
I was actually referring to posts such as these (which often creep up in every thread jambutty replies to):
That's hardly an amount of people Shakermaker ... find your attitude a little condescending and thrown the thread off balance a little to suggest there was any animosity towards Jambutty's opinion (well, know there is sometimes .. :D) .. stirring the s... in other words.

West Ender 05-07-2008 16:33
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Has it not been said that the children should have been in school 10 minutes before the incident occurred? In that case the offenders were AWOL and, as such, open to whatever disciplinary measures, in actions, words or tone of voice, the teacher felt were called for. Furthermore, any responsible shopkeeper would have backed that teacher to the hilt.

onlyme 05-07-2008 16:34
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Fantastic, yet another thread that turns into another accy web falling out lol

yerself 05-07-2008 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker
which often creep up in every thread
Well do they creep up in every thread or not? No' I've got it, they always do sometimes.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 602548)
That's hardly an amount of people Shakermaker
Can't believe the COUPLE of people who disagree with his views for "disagreeing with jambutty"'s sake.
That do? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 602548)
... find your attitude a little condescending and thrown the thread off balance a little to suggest there was any animosity towards Jambutty's opinion (well, know there is sometimes .. :D) .. stirring the s... in other words.
The posts I referred to from Tin Monkey and yerself created animosity towards another poster which was frankly uncalled for. I gave my opinion on the matter; that I find that pathetic. Now that's hardly poo-stirring.

katex 05-07-2008 16:44
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Just to go a little off-thread myself. Just been up to our local Co-op. Was in the long queue. Lady came in to report a lad chucking oranges around.

The lad came in .. started to walk out with the orange. Naturally, one of the assistants asked if he had paid for it. Lad replies .. "found on the floor" Was sternly asked to put it back please !

This was a telling off in public. She then went on to say to him "Will tell yer Dad about this!". Know this lady, and she will !

Point is ? This shop is part of the community and felt the right to tell him off in front of other people. Know you will dissect this little anecdote, but that is how most local shopkeepers are.

Ok .. a thief, but kids who take unauthorised time off from school are thieving us as tax payers.

garinda 05-07-2008 16:47
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Would the same people also think a teacher was wrong for rebuking absent pupils if they were sat in a pub, having a pint and eating a pork pie, when they were supposed to be in school?

jambutty 05-07-2008 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loz (Post 602349)
Can't believe your opinion on this Jambutty.
I thought that being from the generation you are that respect for the teachers and school would be something you would advocate not slagging them off for trying to get pupils in school so they can get an education.
I would never have turned up late for school without good reason and if i did i would expect to be punished.
If you let kids get away with murder now there is no hope for the future.
Well you had better believe it because it is my opinion.

I had full respect for my teachers whilst I was at school and yes I did take the odd day off now and then. But I quickly learned that the only person to suffer for doing so was me. In any case it was no fun up the park on your own. I got behind in the lessons and had to work twice as hard to catch up. Also in those days if a copper spotted a pupil not in school he would march the kid to where s/he should be. That was usually the school or the kid’s home to confront the parent. But the cop had the authority to do so. Teachers outside of the school premises do not except as I have already explained. So that teacher was utterly and totally wrong.

When my own kids were at school the attitude of some of the teachers, particularly head teachers bordered on “god like” where the school was always right and the pupils and parents were always wrong irrespective of the circumstances. The head teachers treated the parents as if they were pupils at the school, or rather tried to. Then if you didn’t back down to the head s/he would take it out on the child.

When my grandchildren were at school the school attitude got even more “god like”. In one incident my grandson, not being the biggest in his class, got thrown down some stairs and all the teacher would do was to send the kids packing to their next class. It turned out that my grandson had suffered a hairline fracture right around his skull and the head and the witnessing teacher denied all knowledge of the incident and the gall to suggest that the damage was done at home.

During his final year at school the bully boys of his class grabbed his coat and threw it away. By chance it fell over the aerial of a teacher’s car but it wasn’t parked in the specified car park but on a sort of forecourt near the school entrance. With more than adequate parking, albeit at least 100 yards away from the main entrance, the car should not have been parked there anyway. Particularly as a plaque on the wall declared “Visitor’s Car Park” As my grandson retrieved his coat it bent the aerial.

You won’t believe the next bit but it is perfectly true. The owner of the car, a teacher, tried to blame my grandson for damaging the ELECTRIC AERIAL on his car and was seeking the cost of a new one from him or his mother (my daughter). As anyone who has ever had an electric car aerial knows, when you switch the radio or ignition off the aerial automatically retracts and rises again when the ignition or radio is switched on again. Thus either the aerial was not an electric one or it was broken anyway and this teacher was trying it on to get a brand new aerial for nothing by blaming my grandson.

Even when I intervened the head sided with the teacher even after I pointed out the anomaly of his allegation and both refused to allow me to inspect the alleged damage. My parting words were “Sue my grandson in the small claims court.”

No such case was brought, but until his final day my grandson became a target for that teacher.

I do not have any experience with the modern teachers other than by hearsay and unlike some correspondents on this forum, hearsay isn’t enough for me to form an opinion.

katex 05-07-2008 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602558)
[I]

The posts I referred to from Tin Monkey and yerself created animosity towards another poster which was frankly uncalled for. I gave my opinion on the matter; that I find that pathetic. Now that's hardly poo-stirring.
I agree that Tin Monkey and Yerself were being a little mischievous, but you knew exactly what you were posting, otherwise, why did you not say this earlier ?

yerself 05-07-2008 16:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex
I agree that Tin Monkey and Yerself were being a little mischievous, but you knew exactly what you were posting, otherwise, why did you not say this earlier ?
I totally agree with you katex. Shakermaker is creating animosity towards myself and Tin Monkey; that I find pathetic.:D:D

jambutty 05-07-2008 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 602390)
Ain't this an example of shoddy journalism by the Observer, only getting one side of the story, maybe the school band the teacher from talking to the press but the story was very unbalanced, and seemingly instigated by the shop owner, hope it has the reverse effect she was hoping far
Pray tell me how do you know it was a one sided story?

Did you follow the journalist around to see if s/he contacted the school?

Did you ask the journalist if the school had anything to say about the incident?

Have you been round to the school to ask why their side of the incident wasn’t published?

No? I thought not!

Tin Monkey 05-07-2008 17:00
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The guy's a first class knob and he proves it time and again. Pure and simple. (I wonder how long before this is deleted?)

Back on topic and I'm actually heartened by the majority of the posts on this thread. It's great too see so many people with their heads screwed on properly and looking to maintain standards in society. A number of people have actually gone up in my estimation following this thread.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602576)
Pray tell me how do you know it was a one sided story?

Did you follow the journalist around to see if s/he contacted the school?

Did you ask the journalist if the school had anything to say about the incident?

Have you been round to the school to ask why their side of the incident wasn’t published?

No? I thought not!
Perhaps he's read what's been said by the Headmaster in the newspaper, and then decided to post his opinion.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:03
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For me, the priority of education is good teaching and producing 'well rounded young people', whatever that disgusting cleché means. Teachers should make clear the value of punctuality when in the classroom. Teaching time should not be wasted running around town after truants (especially when teaching standards are poor anyway), nor should they rely on members of the community to act as truant officers. If a pupil is late then give them a detention, if consistently late or absent then ring home and inform parents and ask what's going on. Running around on a man hunt is not good use of a teacher's time and more of a robbery of taxes in my mind, katex.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 602568)
I agree that Tin Monkey and Yerself were being a little mischievous, but you knew exactly what you were posting, otherwise, why did you not say this earlier ?
Might be a little slow today, but that didn't make any sense to me.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602581)
Teaching time should not be wasted running around town after truants
Fact.

We know the pupils should have been in school at that time.

We do not know if the teacher should have been in school.

Fact.

Tin Monkey 05-07-2008 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602581)
For me, the priority of education is good teaching and producing 'well rounded young people', whatever that disgusting cleché means. Teachers should make clear the value of punctuality when in the classroom. Teaching time should not be wasted running around town after truants (especially when teaching standards are poor anyway), nor should they rely on members of the community to act as truant officers. If a pupil is late then give them a detention, if consistently late or absent then ring home and inform parents and ask what's going on. Running around on a man hunt is not good use of a teacher's time and more of a robbery of taxes in my mind, katex.
Who said that the teacher was 'running round on a manhunt' to paraphrase your post? The teacher may have been on a 'free period', popped into the shop for a butty and saw the kids there.

As for your statement that teachers shouldn't be chasing down truants, then I'd agree with you, but unfortunately we have to live in the real world where teachers are held to be accountable for punctuality and attendance.
Teachers are judged by a number of criteria, results being one of them of course. However, the new measure is called 'success rates', which take into account results, retention, recruitment and a number of other factors. Attendance is now a factor that teachers are called to account for and is yet another responsibility burdened on teachers.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:13
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602587)
Fact.

We know the pupils should have been in school at that time.

We do not know if the teacher should have been in school.

Fact.
Even if the teacher wasn't on timetable, they would have had something better to do rather than going to the butty shop to hunt down truants. Such as marking homework or preparing a lesson. Fact.

jambutty 05-07-2008 17:15
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 602562)
Just to go a little off-thread myself. Just been up to our local Co-op. Was in the long queue. Lady came in to report a lad chucking oranges around.

The lad came in .. started to walk out with the orange. Naturally, one of the assistants asked if he had paid for it. Lad replies .. "found on the floor" Was sternly asked to put it back please !

This was a telling off in public. She then went on to say to him "Will tell yer Dad about this!". Know this lady, and she will !

Point is ? This shop is part of the community and felt the right to tell him off in front of other people. Know you will dissect this little anecdote, but that is how most local shopkeepers are.

Ok .. a thief, but kids who take unauthorised time off from school are thieving us as tax payers.
Yes it was but it was a telling off by a person working in the shop who would have the authority to ask if an item had been paid for and not an outsider rushing in.

So if you were trying to draw a parallel then it hasn’t worked.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:16
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602589)
Even if the teacher wasn't on timetable, they would have had something better to do rather than going to the butty shop to hunt down truants. Such as marking homework or preparing a lesson. Fact.
No, it's a supposition, or at a push an opinion.

1/10.

Must try harder.

Tin Monkey 05-07-2008 17:17
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602589)
Even if the teacher wasn't on timetable, they would have had something better to do rather than going to the butty shop to hunt down truants. Such as marking homework or preparing a lesson. Fact.
That's not a fact, that's speculation.

jambutty 05-07-2008 17:18
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602564)
Would the same people also think a teacher was wrong for rebuking absent pupils if they were sat in a pub, having a pint and eating a pork pie, when they were supposed to be in school?
Yet another facetious remark from a self proclaimed wit, with a “t” at the beginning.

If they were in school uniform they would hardly have been allowed in a pub let alone drinking and eating.

katex 05-07-2008 17:18
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602590)
Yes it was but it was a telling off by a person working in the shop who would have the authority to ask if an item had been paid for and not an outsider rushing in.

So if you were trying to draw a parallel then it hasn’t worked.
Respect your remarks Jambutty (Shakermaker please note) . I feel 'tis a decent parallel .. wasn't really talking about the crime .. just that as a local shopkeeper, she feels the need to get personally involved and care enough to talk to his Dad. This butty shop lady only felt the need to tell the press.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:21
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602593)
Yet another facetious remark from a self proclaimed wit, with a “t” at the beginning.

If they were in school uniform they would hardly have been allowed in a pub let alone drinking and eating.
Your naivety is almost amusing.

You've obviously not seen the current uniform of this school.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:22
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602591)
No, it's a supposition, or at a push an opinion.

1/10.

Must try harder.
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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 602592)
That's not a fact, that's speculation.
I maintain that it is a fact. I don't believe a teacher would ever have nothing better to do than to search the local butty shop for truants.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:24
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602597)
I maintain that it is a fact. I don't believe a teacher would ever have nothing better to do than to search the local butty shop for truants.
'Believe' can't be construed as fact.

Fact.

The fact is we don't know why the teacher was in the shop.

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:27
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It's getting a bit intense this.

We don't know why the teacher was in the shop, but that to me is irrelevant, as she shouldn't have been there in the first place due to the face that she'd have had better things to do.

yerself 05-07-2008 17:29
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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey
The guy's a first class knob and he proves it time and again. Pure and simple.
That's a fact.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:30
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602599)
It's getting a bit intense this.

I've got it, Colonel Mustard in the library with a wrench

Perhaps the Debating Society isn't for you.

There's Country Dancing in the gym, after school on Thurdsay.

Tin Monkey 05-07-2008 17:33
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How long have you been an expert on the teaching profession Shaker? Are you an aspiring Ofsted inspector? Actually, your lack of knowledge of teaching would probably qualify you for such a role. ;) :D

Teachers are held accountable for punctuality and attendance, so she was actually doing her job by telling those children to get to school. Unfortunately, what goes on inside the classroom is only a part of the job description for a modern teacher.

jambutty 05-07-2008 17:38
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 602579)
Perhaps he's read what's been said by the Headmaster in the newspaper, and then decided to post his opinion.
Absolutely priceless at what some lengths people will go to.

jaysay posted, “Ain't this an example of shoddy journalism by the Observer, only getting one side of the story, maybe the school band the teacher from talking to the press but the story was very unbalanced, and seemingly instigated by the shop owner, hope it has the reverse effect she was hoping far” at 10:28 this morning.

You posted the link to the Observer in your post timed at 17:29

So unless jaysay was a psychic jaysay couldn’t possibly have posted an opinion after reading the paper.

To save you the trouble of coming back with, “jaysay could have got the paper to read before you posted the link” I agree jaysay could have.

But if jaysay did then it was a major omission not to include the school head’s comments and then burble on about one sided reporting.

Anything else you want to challenge before I watch Dr Who?

No?

Good. Then I'm off.

katex 05-07-2008 17:39
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Lol Shakermaker .. love a sense of humour, can break an argument any day.(can't put the quote up . you must have edited)

Opened this thread, would love to have the power to lock it, as I think everyone has had their say now.

Go on, before anyone else says it .. will we see this Shopkeeper the subject of My Life profile next week ? .. would love to put in some answers for her .. but daren't. Go on .. just one .. tune on mobile 'Teacher's Pet'

garinda 05-07-2008 17:42
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 602604)

Go on, before anyone else says it .. will we see this Shopkeeper the subject of My Life profile next week ? .. would love to put in some answers for her .. but daren't. Go on .. just one .. tune on mobile 'Teacher's Pet'
Will there be room for two in the lift?:rolleyes:

shakermaker 05-07-2008 17:43
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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 602602)
How long have you been an expert on the teaching profession Shaker? Are you an aspiring Ofsted inspector? Actually, your lack of knowledge of teaching would probably qualify you for such a role. ;) :D
:rolleyes:
I don't claim to be an expert on teaching, but being told by teachers throughout my education to 'find something better to do' when having finished work or having spare time or whatever... leads to the presumption that teachers would work by the same vein.

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 602602)
Teachers are held accountable for punctuality and attendance, so she was actually doing her job by telling those children to get to school. Unfortunately, what goes on inside the classroom is only a part of the job description for a modern teacher.
I accept that teachers are held accountable for attendance, but surely giving the pupils a detention (whenever they turn up) or phoning home after school would be more suitable. It seems fundamentally wrong for a teacher to act in the way that has been reported.

garinda 05-07-2008 17:47
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 602603)
Absolutely priceless at what some lengths people will go to.

jaysay posted, “Ain't this an example of shoddy journalism by the Observer, only getting one side of the story, maybe the school band the teacher from talking to the press but the story was very unbalanced, and seemingly instigated by the shop owner, hope it has the reverse effect she was hoping far” at 10:28 this morning.

You posted the link to the Observer in your post timed at 17:29

So unless jaysay was a psychic jaysay couldn’t possibly have posted an opinion after reading the paper.

To save you the trouble of coming back with, “jaysay could have got the paper to read before you posted the link” I agree jaysay could have.

But if jaysay did then it was a major omission not to include the school head’s comments and then burble on about one sided reporting.

Anything else you want to challenge before I watch Dr Who?

No?

Good. Then I'm off.
What the headmaster reportedly said has been in the public arena since Thursday, when the story was first published.

Not rocket science.

Not even remedial science.

For your science homework this week I want you to make a Tardis out of a cereal packet.

I know imagination isn't your strongest attribute, but just try your best.

Tin Monkey 05-07-2008 17:50
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 602608)
I accept that teachers are held accountable for attendance, but surely giving the pupils a detention (whenever they turn up) or phoning home after school would be more suitable. It seems fundamentally wrong for a teacher to act in the way that has been reported.
I'd be very surprised if the teacher hadn't already used both of those techniques in the past. I don't know Rhyddings at all, so I can't comment on their system. However, I know of schools where they employ 'administrators' to chase absent pupils and so relieve teachers of that duty. By the same token I know of institutions where the teachers are expected to deal with absences themselves, via telephone calls home and other such approaches.

I do agree with you that this time could be spent doing things which are more productive in an educational sense, but the climate at the moment dictates that teachers are held responsible for an ever increasing range of duties.


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