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Report in the Observer, re. a group of pupils still eating in a butty shop at 8.50 a.m. .. teacher barges in angrily and demands they get into school immediately as they will be late for school (Rhyddings). Have had problems with lateness recently.

Ok. proprietor says they are customers and have the right of respect as any other customer.

I feel, even though the teacher 'may' have gone over the top, cannot help but applaud her. Years ago, this would have not afforded a story in the local press, and shopkeeper would have backed her up and discussed how she could team up with the school in future.

What were they doing there at this time anyway ? Did their parents not give them a decent breakfast ?

If you were the parent, and caught your child in a cafe, and knowing they would be late for school, not done exactly the same thing and dragged them out by their ear ? .. I know I would.

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If kids in Rhyddings uniform started causing problems in the butty shop I wonder if the propreitor would complain to the school about the lack of discipline ?

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Judging by the shopkeeper's comments in the 'Observer' she's more interested in the profit she's making out of the kids rather than their education and wellbeing.

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I agree Yerself, don't think this story did any good at all ..the kids will certainly think now that the teacher was in the wrong. Surprised at the Observer giving it any room at all... irresponsible of them in my opinion.

And Lancsdave ... EXACTLY !!

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I wonder how Sam Wignall would have handled it:confused:

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Just had to google that one Eric .. don't remember him, but .. taken from someone's memoirs :-

'We lived in fear of the shout of "Oi, laddy, cap!" and a clip round the ear from Sam Wignall if we dared to be seen outside school without that school cap on our heads - or inside school if we had inadvertently left it on.'

Accrington Grammar School.

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i agree with what the head said, the kids HAVE to be in school for 8.40am, they shouldnt have been in the shop at that time, i just think that butty shop owner was after a bit of publicity, stupid cow

Reece goes to Rhyddings in September, if i ever found out that he was in that butty shop or anywhere other than school at that time of day when he was supposed to be in school i would go mental

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Ya' know Flashy, was actually thinking of Reece starting there in September, and nearly added to my post something like.. ' have images in my mind of Flashy going in there to sort him out if he did that' .. the owner would have found out what an over-zealous intrusion meant .... ;)

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Eric, you KNOW how he'd have handled it. Everyone would've been out of that shop in two minutes flat...and there'd have been late detentions all round!!

I just thank my lucky stars he never caught me having a lunchtime pint in The Globe!

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Even if parents did give us food in morning we'd still go shops and stuff and chill out before school, even more amusing when teachers used to shout so we'd make it so we're even more late.

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what is the point in that??

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To wind them up, it was amusing seeing them getting all angry at the time.
Couldn't stand any of the teachers anyway, we had teachers that could hardly speak English for English lessons, IT teachers who needed a hand of students 80% of the time.

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do you noy think teachers jobs arehard enough all ready without you lot purposely winding them up? When i was at school I had respect for my teachers!!

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Maybe if they showed respect back and didn't sit with their feet up during lessons and started helping students out and getting teachers that actually have knowledge of what they're doing then they'd get respect from me.

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My admiration goes to those who are obliged to teach idiotic children who think it's amusing to make teachers angry. It's no wonder so many leave school barely literate and no wonder there's so little respect for others in general.

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What a sad lad you are Jae Swift .. 'chill out before school' ?.. what's that all about !! Can't do that when you have to actually go to work !

Do your parents actually see your posts ?.. sure they would not agree with what you are saying.

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Well said. I had respect for my teachers, whether I liked them or not I respected them and didnt abuse to take the mick either in or out of school. Saying this though I had respect for most adults as a youngster as that is how I was raised

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like i said.. Chill out BEFORE school, school starts at 9.

AND, I have worked.. Not been any problems there, more problems with teachers than people at work.

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pretty easy to understand why theres so many "Brats" in society these days.:cool:

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But even under the iron-fisted rule of "Ben" Johnson, we did give some teachers a rough time: E. J. "Gobbin" Owen comes to mind, and "Holy Joe" McIvor, although he didn't last too long ... it might have had something to do with the stink bombs.:eek: But guys like Sam Wignall, didn't ask for respect, they demanded it and got it. But, like you, I was raised "proper."

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Ignore.

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Maybe you'll grow up one day.However the choice is yours.I just find you a very sad person.:(:(

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Gotta agree there, surely the shop owner had realised that having a shop full of kids at that hour of the day was a tad "unusual" .
More worried about her daily bacon butty trade than their education and the teacher's alleged lack of respect.

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Yeh, but these kids were going to be late for school .. not acceptable, should have got up earlier so they would not have been late.

Cannot understand why they feel they have to go to a butty shop before school to me.. not a matter of chilling ... just excess of food intake or no caring by parents to give them a decent breakfast before they go. Must have given them money to go there.

Good job I am not your mum .. "amusing to see them angry all the time" ??? .. wonder what your favourite sport is... 'First one to excite saliva running down a teacher's chin obtains their first kitchen knife"

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Mine too!!!!

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I agree, Westender.

What's the betting that these kids who were in the butty shop are dobbers whose parents couldn't give a monkey's as long as the kids are out of the house before Jeremy Kyle comes on? :(

These teachers really have their work cut out with kids like these.

Kids like this don't want to learn, their parents couldn't care less (they probably didn't go to school much themselves) so trying to teach them must feel like banging your head on the wall. :(

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Maybe they didn't feel motivated to help out people who wound them up and made them angry.
And you have to give respect for someone to respect you back.
Teachers are there to do the thankless task of imparting knowledge to adolescents who clearly do not want to learn. Maybe these children should be sent into the factories and industries(those that are left, and that would employ them) at 14 like they used to be.

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Why are you all saying grow up?
Just because I saw teachers as assholes, and I used to chill before school, doesn't mean I'd do the same now.

So what did/do all you lot do for a living that was so great?
Come on, cough up perfectionists..

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what do you do Jae?

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I was about to abuse you until I read that.

If the post you made about the teachers not being able to speak English very well is true then I can understand your feelings.

I am sure us older ones here were taught by staff we could understand.

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I think most people are making this comment because it is obvious that you haven't a very mature attitude....and No we all aren't perfect, but at least we went to school and learned what the teachers had to say...and most of us have had interesting and productive lives. It sounds like you still have much learning to do.

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Then that comes down to the discipline of the school and the sanctions it delivers for pupils not following the schools rules of conduct.

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Which is probably why the teacher marched into the butty shop and told the pupils they should be in school...even though they probably are all aware of the starting time for school.

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And your point is ???

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Don't know about Rhyddings but do know that at Hollins if you aren't in school on time you get detention. Having said that wouldn't mind betting that a lot of kids just wouldn't turn up for detention!!!

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Well done Rhyddings, it's reassuring to know that the attitude of not our problem as it's outside the school gates didn't occur. The shop owner has come out of this with absolutely no credit

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Indeed ... the closest thing I can remember to a teacher having trouble with English was R. P. Owen, and he was Welsh ... :D You can say what you like about the staff at the old Accy Grammar, but most of them knew their stuff and they were concerned that we got an education. Sam Wignall might have gone a little overboard on the discipline, but he was a helluva fine history teacher and rugby coach.:alright:

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And that type of comment doesn't help either Bonnyboy .. you should know better ... :hitting8:

Still sticking to my original comments ... those kids should not have been there and should have been in school .. the parents should not endorse this behaviour .. the Proprietor should have known better ... the Observer should not have printed this story, how did they know about it anyway (mmmmm )... well done to the teacher ... :p

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aint a matter of that i n probably many on here, were far from perfect, but when ya come unstuck ya take what comes, this is defending the indefensible to me, theres the differance.:cool:

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Nobody is trying to say they are perfect but i think a lot of us had and still do have a more mature attitude and showed respect to our teachers because they were in a position of authority even if i didn't like a teacher i would never be rude to them.

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Sorry BB thought I new you better than that, don't think anybody is professing to be perfect. But to blantantly say you wound teachers up because it was fun shows a complete lack of respect. They have a hard enough job as it is:mad:

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Kids have, in generalised terms, never really "wanted" to go to school. Go right back to Shakespeare's seven ages of man,
"The whining schoolboy, with his satchel and shining morning face, creeping like a snail unwillingly to school."
Nothing much has changed in 400 years except the discipline, both at school (where it's eroded by Human Rights) and particularly at home, that made sure previous generations went to school and behaved themselves.

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good post west ender, sorry have to spread it around, nail on the head.;)

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Well I agree with BB and to a point Jae swift on this. When My lot went to Rhyddings they hated it, mainly because of the reasons Jae came out with . (ie poor english speaking teachers, Teachers showing lack of enthusiasm)
I rem once pulling my son out of an RE lesson because of views I didnt agree with, and when the teacher asked me what she was expected to do with him I told her to give him a book and spend a bit of time teaching him about his own religion before confusing him on others. (Just one example of under enthusiastic teaching)

Yes the shop keeper were bang out of order and should be supporting the school. But so should the parents be co operating too. If these kids spend day after day looking at parents, teachers and all adults in general with an attidude of WHY BOTHER towards them , then they are bound to come back with some of the same.

On another note which i forgot to mention . Once we moved over here my 2 out of my 3 kids ended up with a 98% attendance and not really wanting to leave school, nor wanting a day off, The school were motivated with a brilliant head and hard working staff.

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I loved school!!I was not a big fan of science but my teacher (simon chapman...google him:D)made it really fun!! i was very active in extra curricular activities and did really well.....we respected our teachers and would lose our dinner break if we were late ( and you didnt mess with the teacher that did the dinner detentions...Mrs Foster was scary!)
we were given respect back....

maybe it was different for me because both my schools were catholic?

theres lots of simon chapman..... heres the link for the one i mean :D lovely man!!!

http://www.simonsjungle.co.uk/

we were rewarded with trips for trying hard and doing well and punished for breaking the rules....

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Of course discipline is the responsibility of the teachers during school time.

As far as the kids in the butty shop if they are not at school during school time then they are truant and can be dealt with as such - which is why you got your phone call when one of yours wasn't in school one morning as mentioned in one of your posts.

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I don't agree with you on that. It is your job to teach your children about your religion. The school should teach kids about all religions so they can form an unbiased understanding of other peoples religion.

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The curriculum may not be down to the teachers. Part of a teachers job must be to impart their knowledge in an interesting , if not captivating manner.

What disciplininary measures have been taken away...only the ones that let them clout kids...the teachers must be trained to the extent that they can control the kids within the bounds of the law

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yeah but they also have to pack what the curriculum says they have to teach into the time they are given..........

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Thats always been the case


well ok not always but since they brought out standardised exams

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To a point I agree and normally I would sway from topics of religion , but this teacher barely knew much herself. I have always tried to educate mine on the way of our own church and religion, and I have no problem them being educated on others either, what did disturb me was what the teacher were asking of my son and other members of the class, which did end up in her being reported and diciplined BTW.

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there was good n bad teachers in every childs school life, its not about that really, its about Obeying School Rules n Respect fer adults.(Teachers) simple as that. whats wrong in schools should be addressed by parents, not kids blantantly disregarding time.:rolleyes:

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No maybe you didn't advocate bad behaviour but you did imply that we were all "perfect pupils" which none of us profess to have been!!! It is the just the blatant way in which it was admitted that teachers were wound up just for the fun of it that got me and you seemed to be condoning that by your comment. Sorry mate but am damn sure that you can see that is wrong!!!

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Just the way I see it I suppose

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oh i wasn't aware moslem schools in this country taught understanding of our religions.:confused: so i cannot agree with ours teaching about others.

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[quote=BERNADETTE;601919]No maybe you didn't advocate bad behaviour but you did imply that we were all "perfect pupils" which none of us profess to have been!!! It is the just the blatant way in which it was admitted that teachers were wound up just for the fun of it that got me and you seemed to be condoning that by your comment. Sorry mate but am damn sure that you can see that is wrong!!![/quote]

Yes of course that type of behaviour is wrong, but it's not the fault of Mr or Mrs Smith the shopkeeper

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Not saying it is but judging by this thread the shopkeeper hasn't done herself any favours. But then again they say "any publicity is good publicity" so who knows??? Hope her sandwiches are damn good or it could just backfire on her and serve her right IMHO

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Got off my butt and went out to work. Not saying it was great but at least had the satisfaction of being able to say that I went out there and did it. Have done the most menial factory jobs that bored me rigid but when needs must that is what you do!!!

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Damn right hon, bottom line is that it's all about putting a roof over your head and food on the table ... right on:dancedog:

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But don't forget that the14-16 year old doesn't spring into being ... he is a product of 14 to 16 yrs parenting .... if he is a screw up at that age, he has had fourteen or sixteen years of training.:rolleyes:

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well said Eric.

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I was recently told of another pupil at Rhyddings who appears to be constantly late for school.

Again he was buying food, though much further away than the shop in the Observer.

When challenged he replied that it didn't matter if he was late, as his first 'lesson' was at the Fitness Bank gym.

If this is true then it's an outrage.

Why is the education authority paying for pupils to attend a private gym, when they have their own facilities, or could use council owned gyms, such as the one at Hyndburn Sports Centre?

Secondly why isn't lateness for any lesson being more strictly monitored?

I applaud the teacher who gave her pupils a rollicking in the shop.

I'd have wanted to boot their backsides all the way back to school, except the poor little lambs would have been probably straight on to ChildLine.

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I would not patronise this butty shop after seeing this womans grinning mush in the paper.....she looks so smug. doesn't she realise that she is undermining the authority of the teacher?....and she is SO out of order. She also knows the children she is serving will be late for school....she has a child too. Maybe he/she will also grow up to thwart authority.
Hope her profits go down the gurgler.
PBWY

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who taught you how to spell what you are typing now Jae? who taught you how to read these threads? the so called 'assholes'?


now who sounds stupid? :rolleyes:

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Its 46 yeas since I left school and I still have respect for the people who taught me all those years ago. Its not that long ago that I had a letter printed in the Obs about respect for teachers and that even some 25 years after leaving school, when one of my old teachers came into the Stop and Rest Ossy how I still called him Sir. And to be fair the same teacher actually rang me up the week after, regarding that letter, that was mutual respect. Today kids and Teachers are on first name terms, which to me is a no no. Its time to return to old values, in as much that children had to earn repect, in my day, not told by some bleeding heart liberal that children must be respected

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I'm sorry Margaret but I think this a bit harsh, it is not her fault that the pupils were in her shop. No she wasn't going to kick them out, why the hell should she?? She is trying to run a business at the end of the day.

Why did the teacher leave the school to go and tell the pupils off? If they dont want to get to school on time then tough! Its their own damn fault. The teacher should be back in school teaching the pupils that want to be there on time. People on this thread have been saying "Oh teachers have it hard enough as it is" well then make it easier for themselves and teach the eager and enthusiastic pupils.

I went to Rhyddings and I loved it. The teachers were great there, there was pupils that were late or didnt want to learn or be there, you're going to get that anywhere, always have and always will, but when I as there the teachers stayed in school and taught the ones that wanted teaching, i'm not saying they didnt try with them in class but the certainly wouldn't have gone running around Ossy looking for them.

As for the people who say "why are they in the butty shop, if the parents cant send them with a good enough breakfast" then I say to you that when I was at school I sometimes went to the butty shop before school. Why didnt my parents sort out a good enough breakfast?? Because I was 12 - 16 years old, 1) I could look after myself, I wasnt mollycoddled at that age and didnt want to be and 2) My parents worked bloody long shifts at work and most of the time didnt have the time to run after me in the morning, as they were going to work to earn money as Stacey in the butty shop is!!

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...but he had a fine Welsh singing voice. I know because he sat behind me in church.:D

Incidentally his wife taught me when I was six, as well as also being my Sunday scholl teacher. As fine a Christian woman as her husband, and a socialist to boot. I had many interesting conversations with her about politics as an adult.

When I lived in London I was also in a quiz team with their granddaughter, a doctor, who is a fine a young woman as her grandmother.

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Can't see how these kids can expect to be shown any respect when they show a clear disregard to the school rules. They know that they should be in school for 8.40 but decide to go and buy a butty. It is a clear case of "I will do as I please". The telling off will have gone completely over their heads because they just don't care!!!!

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I agree Bernie. My point being if they dont care then why should the teachers care?

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Maybe they are trying to help before it is to late, these kids sure as hell have no chance if/when they start work if they can't grasp the concept of punctuality!!!

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Maybe they're practicing for a life on the dole like their parents Bernie:(

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I read this story too and was disappointed by it. The woman in the butty shop said how will kids learn respect if they're shouted out in this way - I say "how will the kids learn respect for adults when they realise that some adults will let them get away with stuff".

Kids, young people, young adults, whatever you want to call them are more or less all out for an easy life - I know I was. Yes, there are some who work extra hard but the majority of teenagers try to get away with doing the minimum possible. How on earth will these people learn to work hard and respect authority if another adult shows them how to be even lazier.

Not impressed!!!! :mad:

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Well, I am sorry if you feel my reaction was harsh......but these children are thumbing their nose at the authority that is given to the teachers...they are acting 'in loco parentis'......which means that parents would expect them to know where their child was, because it was after the starting time for school....How can the teacher be in charge of a child who isn't even in the school building?

If I had been that teacher i would have marched those children(for that is what they are) to the heads office.
If I were the headmaster I would have phoned each of those childrens parent and asked them to pick them up from the school.....and the children would have been sent home.
Children like these, disrupt the learning of the children who DO want to learn.(and those maybe YOUR children).

Someone has to draw the line somwhere.
Do you think this is a good attitude to be setting for pupils who will eventually be in the job market....would they be allowed to get away with such discourteous and laksadaisical ways in commerce or industry.
The teacher was right to do what he/she did....and was maybe dispatched to the shop by the head teacher.

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We all bemoan the fact that local shopkeepers are a dying breed, but the ones that are there usually take an interest in the people around them and their daily routine.

No, am not saying was her responsiblity, however, she felt offended and did the correct thing by ringing the school, and appears to have received the courtesy of a reply. What annoyed me was her comments in the Observer and saying she would pull her child out of that school if he/she went there. Also, looks as if she may have rung the Observer with this 'story' and, if not, think she should have refused to comment in this way. Bet the kids are having a field day with this one.

Can only hope that the letters that may have been sent to their parents were actioned on and that the kids received a bollicking. Maybe they will, sure not all four sets of parents would endorse their children being late. I would also have rung the school to say I had dealt with it, and to thank the teacher for her vigilance.

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I've just looked at the picture of the cafe owner on the Observer website and she's exactly as I imagined. Totally chavtastic! :)

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Doesn't look she's averse to the odd full English breakfast or a bacon, sausage and egg barm now and then.:D

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thats what mercenary chavs do willow, n fer me respect is not a gift,its earned, i suggest the teachers have earned it by passing exams to attain that position, theres good n bad teachers always was, same as theres good n bad kids, i suggest that a kid earns respect - not by being the brightest lamp in the street, but by trying their best at school, what respect are these "Butty Shop" brats due? they had a total disregard fer school rules by being there at that time.like i said at the begining, respect has to be earned.:cool:

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Actually Jae Swift has a point.

When I was at school, albeit a long while ago, we had two or even three teachers who were specialists in a particular subject and knew it thoroughly. But s/he was not restricted to that subject and could teach other subjects with varying degrees of ability. However the specialist teacher would teach that subject to all classes of all years.

Any “clever clogs” in the class couldn’t baffle the teacher because the teacher always knew more than the pupil and thus gained the class’ respect. But there always have been and always will be some teachers who just cannot catch and hold the pupil’s interest. A disinterested pupil is a bored pupil and a bored pupil is likely to be a disruptive pupil.

The other side of that coin became evident during my first 12 months in the navy. We had instructor lieutenants who boffed up on the next days teaching the night before. Their tuition was not very good and it was up to the CPO teaching the practical side to get us to understand what the instructor lieutenant tried to teach.

There is nothing worse than being taught by someone who doesn’t really know their subject.

This respect thing starts in the home and should be reinforced in the first school. But then there is the disruptive element, where the teachers cannot or are not allowed to quash. By the time that the kids get to secondary school the rotten apple in the barrel has tainted other pupils.

As for the butty shop – well it’s none of the school’s business who buys what and when. The teacher who stormed in the shop was out of order. She/he should have been in school doing his/her job and not actiung like some avenging Truant Officer. A schools’ responsibility starts and ends at the school gate.

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Accrington is a terrifically boring place isn't it. How this got in the paper at all is a mystery.

The shopkeeper in this story shouldn't be burdened with the obligation to do the job of the school and the students' parents, i.e. to exercise good teaching and sensible discipline that helps students to know that turning up to school on time is the right thing. Of course not all will make the right choice but there's a clear view from the students that it isn't at all necessary to turn up at school on time.

The school is obviously an institution geared up for failure on every front.

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I think we all (as a community) have some responsibility to each other......this proprietor lives in the area of the school...she must know what time school starts....and while she has no responsibility to ensure the children are in class at the correct time, she didn't need to undermine the authority of the teacher in the way she did.
The message she is sending out to these children is that it is OK to break the rules.....and she is sanctioning that.

I am very disappointed to read this story in the Observer, because in a way they are justifying her actions by reporting it in the way they did.

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Maybe this teacher cares enough(or maybe it is the school that cares) to stop the rot, by taking the action that was reported.
We have actually got a very one sided story......there was no comment from the teacher concerned, or the parents of the pupils involved in the incident

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Surely it'd be a better example to set if the school was to improve it's clearly awful standards academically and make the students want to be there on time, or at least feel like they should. Patrolling butty shops shouldn't be the first thing a teacher does in the morning.

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You cannot improve standards when the pupils show such a blatant disregard for school rules and discipline. Being late because you can't help it is one thing, but being late because you don't care.......!
Latecomers disrupt the learning of the more interested students, and generally give the school a bad name.

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What makes you so sure that it is not that teachers job to act on truant kids?

And yes it is the schools responsibility what the kids buy when they are in school time.

Did you know that the school can issue a fine to the parents of the truant children?

I do hope that the Head Teacher at Rhyddings comes down hard on these children and makes an example of them.

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Why should it not be?

We all like to moan about the lack of discipline in schools and how it used to be better in the good old days.

Surely the first stage of discipline for a child should be getting to school on time.

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Why are kids going to the butty shop for their breakfast in the first place?

Whatever happened to the good old typical breakfast.......TOAST OR CEREAL!!

They shouldnt be having egg buttys or bacon buttys!!, no wonder the grades are low:rolleyes:

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Hunting kids down with snipers and bear traps is just going to create more anger in the youth.
Making standards better with teaching and discipline within the school will have positive ripple effects.
Go into the jungle that is Rhyddings and then go into BRGS, for instance. You will see that it is the standard of teaching and discipline within the school that transcends to behaviour out of school. After your visit to both schools, take the school bus home. You'll see what I mean.
A lot of the problems in this country at the moment are due to failure to tackle the problem at the core.

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What is the core problem?
What is BRGS?

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The core problem in this instance is shoddy educational standards.

BRGS is Bacup & Rawtenstall Grammar School.