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My Daughter goes to Rhyddings, and if ya dont ring up if they are absent , then expect a phone call!

They even do a register for each lesson too, so no-one can whack it anymore.

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And yet when ppl conplain that the teachers are too soft on the pupils they make it clear.. I think the teacher did right in giving them a good telling off!!!
And as for the kids going to a shop for their breakfast.. what ever happened to eating toast at home or cereal.

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to me those who think the teacher was in the wrong are partly to blame for the way things are today, you probably won't like me saying that, but its what i think, so tough.:cool:

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At last a young un that talks sense:)

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more to the point what if the "Brats" had, they would probably sue the school fer not lookin after em proper.:rolleyes:

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I'm on the side of the teacher also...and as a parent, I would shake her hand if it was one of my kids!!!!!

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I used to wind up my teachers a fair bit, but my lessons were boring and unmotivating. At Uni my personal tutor says it's likely due to the fact that it was a bad school that wasn't interested in students' individual needs, just making sure the majority of people passed their GCSE's. Luckily I have quite a feisty attitude to being told I am incapable of doing something and proving people wrong, otherwise I might not be at university today.

To be fair, most of the local schools are rubbish and I reckon the kids might as well be turning up five minutes late with full stomachs than turning up hungry, or not turning up at all. In my opinion the teacher had no right to be telling anyone to be in school when they were in the exact same place at the exact same time too. Thought teachers were meant to be early starters? I've never known a teacher not be at school at 10 to 9 :/

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Most of the local schools have improved damatically in the OFSTED ratings and what on earth compels you to think that it is a pupils right as to when they turn up for school?? The rules are there for a reason and if every pupil decided to just ignore them what a mess we would be in. Fortunately MOST pupils follow the school rules it just seems that a few think they are over and above following rules on punctuality. How will they get on at Uni or god forbid in the workplace??? Having said that their school records will go against them and they will be lucky to find a job or a place at Uni!!!!

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Never hurt me, so I find it hard to agree. In fact, if I had followed everyone else I'd have probably ended up on a vocational course bored out of my mind. Thank god for rebellion. I wouldn't even have an education if it wasn't for rebellion, and barely any other rights for that matter. God bless those crazy rebellious women for suffrage and all that.

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So Blazey you are suggesting that it won't do anybody any harm if they completely disregard the rules?
Just because you chose not to and it worked out for you does not make it right.
How are kids supposed to learn about responsibility if they are left to do whatever the hell they like?
They will never hold a job down if they think they can turn up when they feel like it if the even get a job.

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Well too be fair, it's the only part of your life you can really take a reckless risk and hope for the best, once you realise your path then you follow it. I changed my min on what I wanted to do at college at the last minute, pushed every boundary there was at college, got into uni then got taught that it's fantastic to be like me and bend the rules a bit.

I view rules as guidelines, kind of a safe route if you may. You follow the rules though and you never really stand out. If you bend the rules and find new methods of doing things, that's when you are really noticed. I stand by that and I always will, because it has got me where I am right now and it's thought that I am going to go far, so why should I shun that?

It's only when people aren't guided with their questioning that they do the completely wrong thing. I was always told to question the WAY things are done, but understand why we do them in the first place. There is never just one way to do things, but generally the reason we do them in the first place is important.

For example, nobody would contend that we should all get a certain level of education, that is our right in this society, but there are several ways or doing so. You can go to school, and then there are different types of schools, you can be home educated, you can go to boarding school and live away from home etc. Some clever person decide to use the internet to create online courses, and things like wikipedia, google, yahoo etc. Someone changed things, and you can't change things if you don't question the 'rules'.

I used to say, as someone who has pretty much always struggled with sleep, what is the point of turning up at school half asleep and learning nothing when I can get some sleep and turn up awake the next day fully awake and refreshed and do it twice as well? I was fortunate, I wanted to do well because I was told I was capable. The problem with most of today's youth is that they're being pushed along a system and not getting individual praise and attention that you need in order to learn.

I'm not going to be ashamed of my ways though just because it isn't the norm. There is a quote somewhere that says it takes a strong person to be themselves in a world that is trying to make them the same as everyone else. Maybe it's silly living by quotes, I read them day in and day out to keep myself in the right mindset, but it's always the most fascinating and diverse people that are quoted, and I'm happy enough with that.

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Try saying that to an employer and you'll find out what's wrong with it.

A prospective employer may write to the school for references and "persistent tardiness" will immediately turn them off.

When my daughter applied for a college course and part of the requirement was that she turn up on time or she would be chucked off the course. She wouldn't get away with saying "I felt tired so I had a lie in so that I can be twice as alert tomorrow."


So how do you reconcile that view with the law that you are studying? Are the laws (rules) of the land merely guidelines to be ignored and bent as and when you wish in order to find new ways of doing things? When does theft become a mere bending of the rules in order to redistribute wealth more fairly? How about murder? Is that a justifiable bending of the rules if someone is getting in the way of you acheiving your goals?

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Maybe thats why he/she is a university personal tutor ? He/she can't be bothered with many students and wants an easy life.

Of course the schools are just making sure the majority of pupils pass their GCSE's. There is usually one teacher to a class of 25-30 kids, how can they offer personal tuition to all :confused:

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Blazey, have you ever considered that your teacher may have been spot on with psychology with her pupils? Some people thrive on being patted on the head and told they're doing well, others thrive if they're told they can't do something - reverse psychology that makes you think 'I damn well can'.

A good teacher can identify what works with some and what works with others. I used to hate it when my friend got tons of praise for her work and I got, could do better all the time. Thing is though, that my friend was always going to work hard whereas i needed something to give me a push.

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I tried that. I viewed the speed limit as a guideline, I thought I'd found a new method of getting home from work in less time so I drove at 40mph instead of 30mph. It certainly got me noticed (by a big yellow camera), cost me 60 quid and 3 points as well.;)

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I think you'll find that Blazey is considerably more conventional than she cares to admit. When we're young we like to think of ourselves as rebellious and true individuals, but in reality it isn't like that at all.

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Has anybody noticed that blazey's post are all in true lawyer style, long and waffling, why use one word when twenty will do. I find I get so bored reading her posts I just don't bother any more, because at the end she hardly ever says anything that makes any sense anyway.

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I think she posted that she's doing a placement with a London law firm this summer.

If she doesn't sleep too well, and decides to roll in late, I hope they show her the understanding she deserves.;)

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Attention seeking. Her posts aren't meant to be short & sweet, they are meant to keep the thread open so she will be noticed. If you conform you don't get noticed :D

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this is priceless!! another thread swung the way of= I'm Blazey look at me.:rofl38::rofl38: ya done it again kid.:D

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A bit like my Daily Mail posts :D

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To be quite frank cashy I can't understand why she wants to be a lawyer, show biz would be more her cup-of-tea:D

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She might decide to rebel against convention, and turn up late for her exams.

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You are all wandering round in circles but seem to be deliberately ignoring the fact and refusing to acknowledge it because heaven forbid you might have to agree with me, that the teacher had no right in law to angrily storm into a shop and demand that the pupils being served in it leave immediately and go to school.

Teachers do not have any authority outside the school premises except as I have already explained. Even if by some weird chance the teacher has authority to round up truants off the school premises, the way that teacher went about it was bombastic and did not present a good example to the pupils or the general public.

I defy anyone to show me a law that gives the teacher authority over pupils outside of school except in circumstances that I have already explained.

Just to forestall a potential facetious remark from garinda - I cannot show you a law that states that a teacher does not have authority over pupils outside of the school. Laws are not made that way.

If that teacher had not exceeded his/her authority this thread would not exist. So all the petty little squabbles around that point are utterly and totally irrelevant and are just trying to justify the boorish behaviour of a teacher.

WillowTheWhisp – I don’t recall that I ever said that the teacher had no right to enter the shop. But then putting words into people’s mouths is your forte so that you can make your viewpoint seem to be the right one.

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So, I've just been doing some googling to find out what the legal position is and one interesting thing is that the children were breaking the law (well, actually their parents were breaking the law and could be prosecuted for not having them at school on time).

Theoretically then, the shopkeeper, instead of serving them butties should have been phoning the police.

The teacher who was trying to get them to school was ensuring that they weren't breaking the law.

I also found this statement
Local authorities (LAs) are responsible, by law, for making sure parents fulfil their responsibility of ensuring that their child receives an education either by regular attendance at school, or otherwise. Most LAs employ education welfare officers, (also called education social workers) to monitor school attendance and to help parents meet their responsibilities.

To me, that sounds like the teacher was perfectly within their rights to tell the pupils to go into school.

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Well as I see it a few little sods have got you all arguing between yourselves so they have won and you have lost Well done.
You should be proud.

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nah mate its good fer the soul "Winding Up The Natives" i love it.:D

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Why should the shopkeeper be phoning the police just because a group of school children come in to buy something during school hours? It could be argued that it would be the public-spirited thing to do but the shopkeeper was under no obligation to do so. For all the shopkeeper may have known, the kids’ absence from school at that time was authorised.

How many of the contributors to this thread praising the teacher and by definition castigating the shopkeeper, the reporter and all those who disagree with their viewpoint, would turn away custom if they happened to own a shop near a school? How many of those people have actually run a shop? No doubt there will be some who will stick up a “holier than thou” hand in the air and declare that they would. The bottom line rules in business and if it is not in the black you go out of business.

Was the teacher an “Education Welfare Officer”? If not, that teacher did not have the authority to act as s/he did outside of the school. However “monitoring school attendance and to help parents meet their responsibilities” is a long way from having the authority to burst into a shop and demand (not ask mind you) that the pupils get on to school. Monitoring means looking and making a note of and helping parents is knocking on the front door and offering advice on how a parent can ensure that their kids attend school on time. It is not angrily bursting into a shop and demanding that the school kids inside head for school.

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I dont personally give a hoot what the teachers legal rights are, if my kids were in a shop when they should have been in school, I would EXPECT the teacher to tell them (not ask) to get to school, and then to inform me of that action, and I think most parents would be like minded, one of my teachers in the same situation would have taken me to school, my only concern is, what was the teacher doing being late for school?

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agree derek but there will always be some that won't.:rolleyes:

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We only have the shopkeepers word that the teacher angrily stormed into the shop. We have no other report from any independant witness as to what manner the teacher entered the shop. The only thing all parties agree on is the fact that the teacher did enter the shop. We cannot accept heresay as factual evidence.


See my previous comment. You keep insisting that the shopkeeper's account of the teacher's manner is accurate and factual. We do not know that, which is why I am merely pointing out that the teacher had every bit as much right to enter that shop as anyone else.

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Because, as I pointed out it was against the law for them to be out of school during school hours. Usually when people see other people breaking the law they phone the police and not the local paper to try and get some publicity.

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derekgas has picked up on it – what was the teacher doing going into a butty shop during school hours?

Dare I suggest that the teacher went in to get some butties for the staff and was shocked to see some pupils being served? So to disguise his/her reason for being there s/he turned on the pupils. Was a teacher at the shop the day before or the day before that?

OK! Lets accept that what the shopkeeper said was hearsay in the true meaning of the word. That also makes the incident hearsay, doesn’t it? Do we also call it hearsay when a report in the media states what so and so has said? No of course not we take such reports at face value until it can be shown that the report wasn’t accurate. If the shopkeeper did not state what has been reported no one has come back to contradict her. Thus I would conclude that the reporter quoted what he heard. To do otherwise would be to doubt the integrity of the reporter and is also tantamount to accusing the shopkeeper of lying.

Let us for a moment assume that the teacher entered the shop in a forceful manner, as some teachers do when trying to assert their authority and told the kids to get out and back to school. The shopkeeper, reading the teacher’s body language, read it as angrily and demanding. Who is to say that she was wrong? You?

Had the teacher just walked in and calmly said to the kids, something like, “you lot should be at school. Off you go” then there would have not been a story to report. I would suggest that the reported incident wasn’t too far from reality if at all.

As usually you are nit picking in some sorry attempt to justify your stance on this issue. A stance that is flawed, I might add.

However all that apart there is still the point of the teacher not having the authority to collar pupils out of school and send them back. No one has come forward with the law that gives a teacher that authority. And they can’t and they won’t because there is no such law.

When are you going to admit that the teacher did not have the authority to do as s/he did?

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It might be against the law for school children not to be at school during school hours but there is no law (YET!) that a citizen MUST report a felony if that citizen sees one being committed.

We haven’t quite got to becoming a police state.

Now you are jumping to conclusions in accusing the shopkeeper of phoning the paper for publicity’s sake. She could have been and probably was, highlighting the behaviour of a teacher who overstepped the mark.

I see many school children in uniform in Asda during school hours every week. I’ve never seen a copper apprehend them. Meaning that Asda doesn’t give a hoot and only money talks. So if you’ve got a beef on this point go and tackle Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Iceland, Aldi, Netto etc. Don’t forget the market and record shops.

Admit it – the teacher was out of order.

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I, along with quite a few others, don't care about the "legality" of where that teacher was on that day at that time. That's a matter for the teacher and his/her employer.

I am a parent and a grandparent and what I care about is children being made to toe the line and not allowed to think they can do just as they please. The reason is because I want to see some semblance of order and respect return to this society of ours before the whole thing collapses completely. Comments about teacher's "attitude" to the truanting children and whether the teacher should have been there, or not, only serve to teach youngsters that there is no restriction on their behaviour.

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Well I still stand by what i said and if it were my kids caught in a butty shop or anywhere but school outside school hours i would be glad of a teacher caring enought o try and get them into school and would expect to be informed myself so i could also deal with it.

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And the majority of right-minded people would agree with you Loz. In fact, apart from a couple of loons, everyone is actually in agreement on this matter.

Majority rules. Minority are fools. :D

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I'm sure you will be told for the umpteenth time by Judge Jam that you are missing the point :D

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You had started off in this thread being sensible. Now you have returned to your usual self.

Why do you behave like one of these school children?

How many times do you need telling. It is the responsibility of the school so she was doing her job.

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Not so often your right and your wrong again it is an offense to know a felony has been committed or even to know it may be committed and not:tongueout report it

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Why thankyou, I do make such an effort at whatever ridiculous hour it was to get the attention of the vast amount of people that was online.

I think I said that to you in a PM actually when I was asking you the most convenient method of travel for getting to London. I'm not on placement in a law firm anyway.

My personal tutor lectures to 180 pupils at a time in the law of contract, and all tutors have time for the individual needs of students, we don't pay them for nothing.

I have had my exams, and turned up for everyone online. My point about the rules is that they are generally a framework. There are always loop holes and exceptions to the rules, that's life. If you get pulled for doing 33mph in a 30 zone you are most likely to be let off with a caution, often due o the fact that manufacturers don't follow guidelines tightly enough to ensure the speedometers measure 100% accurately in the first place.

I don't care if you think I talk in long sentences or don't agree with your boring ways of life. Why should I be like you when you're all middle aged and sit on accyweb all day? Why just be a slave to the wage when you can be a slave to spending all your free time on accyweb too? I think I'll stick to my way thanks.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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:eek:

cheeky git......whos middles aged??!


you sit on it all night:rolleyes:

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I would have thought that any decent parent (and there are obviously several contributing to this thread) would have backed the teacher on this.

Would you want your child to be able to while away the hours in a butty shop when they should be in school?

I wouldn't. I'd want the teacher who'd seen them to haul them into school, punish them as they see fit and then inform me. I would punish them at home also. I would be thanking and apologising to that teacher and would ensure my children apologised to her too.

Too many parents have a laissez faire attitude these days.

To end up with our kids becoming decent, law abiding, employable adults we need to work with the school not against them.

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Yes at the early hours of the morning when I have the choice of the internet or walking the streets to tire myself out.

I see nobody answered why the teacher wasn't in school at that time either. What's the point of being in school at 8.40am if the teachers are still strolling in at 8.50am?

The kids were having breakfast, I hardly see what the problem is. Since when does Rhyddings start at 8.50 anyway :/ always thought it started at 9 like all the other schools.

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they dont, they start at 8.40

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nope 8.40 now and in september they finish at 3.00pm

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Wrong yet again. Deary me.

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Well sorry for not going to Rhyddings or knowing anyone who goes there. 8.40 is ridiculous, especially considering the distance some people travel these days to get to school because they're often missing out on their first choice of school. No wonder why they're having to grab breakfast once they're there.

And I ask AGAIN, why was the teacher late into school?!

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have a look
http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/...sts_in_to_cafe


whos says she was late?

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well maybe she was out looking for kids wagging school?

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Well that isn't her job is it?

Panther, if school starts at 8.40, and she was in the sandwich shop at 8.50am that makes her outside of school during schooltime as well...

I'm not going to follow the newspaper report as it's most likely biased.

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Mount Carmel starts at 8.55 and Hollins 8.45. Doubt if you find a secondary school that does start at 9 these days.

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Well I went to Mount Carmel and we started at 9, and that was just 3 yrs ago. Also, teachers were all in school at the same time whether they had a class to teach or not, as teachers had meetings in the mornings in the staff room.

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Yes, maybe she had been told that the kids were in the butty shop so she went over the road to get them out.

Why wasn't she teaching in class at the time, Blazey?

Who knows? :confused:

We don't know that the kids were in her class, just that they are pupils at Rhyddings.

Maybe the teacher was on PPA time......who can say?

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Isn't is something like 'withholding evidence' that's illegal. So by implication illegal to not report a crime when you know it's happening.

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I totally agree as do most accy webbers' but you always get the odd one.The ones we will all be laughing at in a few years time when we watch Airport and they've missed the flight.:hehetable

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I don't think they have started passenger flights to other planets yet :D

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Why not have the children 'Clock On'.
If they are late for school...send them home, or back to the butty shop.
Compare this to a working environment.
If this had have been a manager or a foreman walking into the butty shop and finding four members of his workforce in the shop when they should have been at work..........."don't bother coming into work today".
In extreme cases, or if the boss considered you to be a bad worker..."Don't bother coming into work today......Collect your cards of Friday.
Crack the whip and get society back on track....police state my arse?

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You are wasting your time arguing with this lot.

You have people saying that they don’t care what the law is and they will see things their way regardless. Not to put too fine a point on it, that is anarchy. And some of these are parents! What a great example to set their children!

If some of this lot lived 150 years ago out in the Wild West they would be the ones forming a vigilante mob to hang someone who they suspected of being a horse thief on the flimsiest of evidence or even none at all. The phrase “You will get a fair trial before we hang you” comes to mind.

But just about everyone is avoiding the point of what was the teacher doing out of school at 8:50am when school started at 8:40am and what she was doing overstepping her authority? The answer is obvious. To admit that the teacher should not have been outside the school at that time and didn’t have the authority to trawl the streets looking for truants during school hours would destroy their silly, petty views.

This is the way debates go on this forum. If a point is too awkward to answer or by answering it can only be an admission that the point is spot on, they ignore it and bring in red herrings.

There is another point that has been ignored because it is too awkward to address. With the kids in assembly a teacher nips out to the butty shop either just for herself or with a staff order and shock horror she bumps into a shop full of pupils and goes mental. How can she get out of such an embarrassing situation? Simple turn on then pupils.

A flight of fancy? Maybe? But it is still a credible possibility.

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Could be easy to cheat, get someone else to clock on for you. Then again a local school uses a fingerprint system instead of swipe card for the cashless canteen. You would find it harder to lend someone your finger to clock on for you :D

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Why ridiculous? My grandson went to Manchester Grammar School. He had to be in school for 8.30 and he lived in Warrington, 20 miles away, so he had to leave home at 7 a.m. to get the school bus which went all over the area, picking up, on the way. He did that for 6 years and it was no big deal, there were boys travelling from much further away. The one thing he daren't do was miss that bus and be late for school.

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each to their own and all that i suppose Ste

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when i was 15 i lived in Rossendale (Loveclough) but still went to Moorhead, was up at 6.30 every morning, my first bus was at 7.30, i was never late for school once, so you are right westender, there is no excuse

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Just a figure of speach Neil...sarky perhaps....I tried every trick in the book when I went to Rhyddings but was never caught 'Red Handed'

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Given your constant views of dealing in facts only we will have to take your own personal experience of that at face value. :)

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It is nice to agree with you on something, and I do 100%.

I may have mentioned my own habits in regards to this topic, but people are still ignoring the fact that the teacher was in no position to bring it upon herself to tell the children to get to school.

I didn't realise there was a law on being late to school, just policies. There are laws not attending school at all, but not being late as far as I am aware. Someone please point out the statute and section which says it is illegal to be late for school?

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The only way to prove it is to make the same mistake again that I made 36 years ago.And though unlike you I have made mistakes in my life I don't make the same one twice.:rolleyes:

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Why is 8.40 ridiculous? Goodness me, the poor little darlings, having to get up a bit early in the morning. Isn't it a fact that people learn earlier in the day?

In France they have to start at 8.00 every day.

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It's a good job times don't change eh?

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Actually, you're wrong again. The law states that a child must receive a certain level of education at key stages. Most people opt to leave that responsibility to the school system, but a small minority do educate their children at home. As long as the children are being educated at the correct level, they do not have to attend a school.

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You are the legal eagle of Accyweb.....why not research it...may be a good exercise for you.

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Your example to any schoolchild reading this forum is atrocious, advocating that children ignore school rules regarding timekeeping and making any case you can think of to undermine a teacher's authority.

I can't blame Blazey, she is barely out of school herself, but you are old enough to know better. You should be ashamed.

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Well yes, I mentioned the variations myself of education earlier so obviously I'm fully aware of that, but what I mean is regarding truancy from school when you are meant to be there.

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Ever heard of books? Not fiction ones either.

No doubt even in those there was some glamorisation but the essence of the truth was there. Vigilante mobs were a fact of the Wild West.

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Because being late isn't part of law, but people seem to be mentioning reporting crimes and all sorts of rubbish.

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West Ender, I'm not being stupid, because I broke the rules and I'm doing very well for myself, better than most people my age in Accrington. What on earth would I be ashamed about even if I was the same age as Jambutty?

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Also, as far as I am concerned I wish that the chavs didn't turn up for school so then maybe I would've got the individual help I need, perhaps then it would've been worthwhile going.

Nevertheless, I passed all my GCSE's without a problem even though I had the 3rd worst attendance in the year, so it's not even my concern anymore. It's not like it's MY kids that are going to the butty shop :p

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I was taught during last summer that different people learn at different times of the day, we all have our 'prime time' so to speak. I personally do my studying at night, but I suppose that's down to my sleeping habits.

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Now where did I state that children should ignore school rules?

Where have I undermined the teacher’s authority in school?

The teacher does not have any authority over the school pupils outside of the school except as I have already explained.

If you are going to quote me then do get it right. But why let the truth get in the way of giving me a piece of your mind?

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As far as I know there is no law against being the village idiot - so carry on:tongueout

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Personally I do not give a tuppenny toss whether this teacher was overstepping her terms of employment of working hours.. like Gayle has said between her and her employer. She bloody cared, that's all I can see !!

Repeating myself I know, but as a parent, would have gone in the shop, like a banshee, getting any child of mine out of that shop and their mates to get them to school ... headline would have read "Fury as parent bursts into cafe". Not quite get the same ring to it has it ? Would not have had any space in the Observer then, would it ?!? At least the Headmaster has added his comments on the matter (have you actually read it Jambutty ?)

As for us middle-aged women spending time on Accyweb Blazey .. what you like ? I am old-aged now ... have spent the last 45 years getting up at 6.00 a.m. to get kids off to school on time with a good breakfast in their bellies, before I had to travel most of the time 30 miles to work, 300 miles minimum when on the road, never been late, except in unusual circumstances ... feel can indulge myself a little now... :p .. aplogies for being self-indulgent and personalising.

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Maybe being late for school isn't actually illegal, to be honest, I don't know whether it is or not.

However, common sense and good morals would tell us that it is wrong.

Things like having a big green coloured stripe through your hair, having a pierced lip and wearing jeans aren't illegal but most people wouldn't do these things then turn up at school and not expect the teacher to tell them off for it.

The teacher would probably tell them to go home and come back without green hair / pierced lip / jeans.

The end result schools are aiming for is that the children find employment when they leave school. This is why they do not tolerate traits that an employer would not tolerate.

Persistent lateness is one such trait.

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If you advocate breaking rules you are in the wrong. You may be "doing very well" for yourself, you are certainly way ahead in the conceit department, but boasting that you flouted your school's rules is, as they say, neither big nor clever.

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and to say you are studying law too, isnt wagging school against the law?

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If I was the village idiot I would probably be in the Black Dog right now getting wasted and doing karaoke. Instead I am doing research, in my summer holidays, because whilst I didn't turn up to school on time I still learned the value of education, which is more than can be said for most of the youth in this village.

If that makes me an idiot then so be it.

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Wrong on two counts. Again!

This is not a village and blazey is not an idiot.

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I had my lip pierced.

I dyed my hair 'little mermaid' red.

I did all the usual school girl things like wearing makeup and rolling my skirt up past my knees.

Yes I got in trouble, yes I was 'punished', yes I got a decent education regardless. At this stage of my education I laugh, because people always regret that they tried so hard then they get to uni and it doesnt matter anymore. I laugh because I had a great time, did what I had to do and I have no regrets.

I'm not going to feel bad for it, so why don't you all just go back to topic, because the teacher was in the wrong, if you can't see that then what can I do about that?

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[quote=blazey;603107]Also, as far as I am concerned I wish that the chavs didn't turn up for school so then maybe I would've got the individual help I need, perhaps then it would've been worthwhile going.

Nevertheless, I passed all my GCSE's without a problem even though I had the 3rd worst attendance in the year, so it's not even my concern anymore. /quote]

If your CV turned up on my desk I would mark in bold letters 'Attitude Preoblem.......File Thirteen'

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No! The way to prove it is to produce evidence like a link to the laws of the land.

You’re the one spouting your mouth off so prove your allegation.

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That's the split between us Blazey, we cannot see that this teacher was in the wrong at all.

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The questions in the first post were ;

It seems the ones discussing if the teacher is right or wrong are the ones who have gone off topic, it wasn't one of the questions asked :p

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Ok so you're at uni now and hopefully doing well with your studies but surely you don't advocate children being late for school just because you were.....can you not see that it is better to be on time? :confused:

A 15 year old who gets pregnant may end up doing well for herself years down the line but surely would not say things that give the impression to other 15 year olds that becoming a mum at 15 is a good idea. :confused:

She would try to discourage others from doing that because she knows it is better not to be a mum at 15.

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To be quite frank, it isn't my place to tell anyone what to do with their lives. I can guide, and indeed I wouldn't recommend purposefully being late, but if people want to then that is their choice.

I preach about consequences 24hrs a day to people. I tell my friends that if they don't do their work before socialising or if they don't start thinking about the future now then they'll have to deal with the consequences of that, but I can't do much more.

Freedom of choice and all that I guess. You can't be perfect, and if you were then how could you ever learn anything anyway?

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[quote=Royboy39;603131]I don't think I'd be that desperate for a job anyway :)

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What the hell makes you think you are so much better than anybody else?
You go about insulting people constantly,we aren't all middle aged by the way,i'm 24 but choose to come on here as often as possible because i enjoy it not because i have nothing better to do.
You should be more respectful towards people.
Not everybody went to college or uni,myself included,but i work hard and am no less a person because of it.
You really have no idea about the real world do you,and thats coming from somebody not much older than you.